Is there actually anything wrong with living vicariously through

>>36591106
I'm gonna tell you something that every true alpha knows - all forms of fiction (escapism) is for girls or betas.

>>36591118
Alright, but why does that matter?

>>36591106
The 'real' life itself, is a kind of fiction. All the drama of the world is invented and perpetrated by willing participants. Nothing is so easy as not taking part in it, yet nothing is so hard as not wanting to.

>>36591147
When you embrace pain you learn how to conquer it.

>>36591205
I prefer not having any pain at all. The world has nothing to offer.
>>36591161
You know what I meant, I was talking about literal fiction, as in things that don't and cannot exist.

>>36591224
Life is pain.
Original

>>36591224
>You know what I meant, I was talking about literal fiction,
I do not think there is a fundamental difference. In both cases the experience created is seperate from objective reality.

>>36591248
Yes, and escapism is a good anesthetic
>>36591259
>objective reality
That's not really relevant, though.

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Nope.
Life, liberty to read hentai doujins and the pursuit of happiness through anime is a okay.

>>36591266
Why is it not relevant? Whether you live an 'ordinary' life or read a book, you are experiencing a fictitious world.

>>36591308
Because there's no way to perceive objective reality so it's useless to talk about it. It's like absolute skepticism, it's a legitimate statement but it doesn't matter because it never brings anything to the conversation.
>>36591285
Cool
3D android waifus when, though?

>>36591326
>Because there's no way to perceive objective reality
That is the point. So what difference does it make if go to a party or watch a sitcom, it is fiction either way.

>>36591369
One involves actual physical interaction with what is perceived as reality.

>>36591382
Both do. A television set, a comic book, a computer screen. Physical.

>>36591422
>that guy who comes into every thread to argue semantics nobody cares about
Don't be that guy, anon.

>>36591445
I think it is more a case of the point being too philosophical for you to get, rather you not caring. You see it is quite relevant to the topic of the thread, as by following this line of thought we reach the conclusion that there is no reason to make the distinction between interactions in the 'real' worl and experience of fictitious ones.

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>>36591106
Can't you see it's not healthy?

>>36591106
Reality is irrelevant. Do whatever makes you most happy. Take into account the consequences of your actions potentially making you less happy in the future.

>>36591106
misleading thumbnail

>>36591513
But healthy living is so troublesome.
>>36591543
>whatever makes you most happy
In my case it's more like "whatever makes you the least unhappy"

>>36591484
Diff anon but I have to say I kind of like your idea although i'm still going to spend the weekend alone watching cartoons.

>>36591106
I find it the other way around, fiction is so simple, after all its a creation of one mind or at max a couple while the real world is so complex that not even all of our heads combined we will never figure it all out

>>36591734
But fiction is endless, even if only one mind came up with it it's still only limited by your own imagination.

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Escapism has gotten out of control for me. Every single aspect of what life should be has been skewed thanks to the large amount of anime I've watched. I know it's not healthy, but it's all I know and I don't really want to change. Life itself only really makes me feel anxious, mad or broken in a way, but anime makes me feel everything and anything. I enjoy the feelings I get when I watch it and I don't think that will ever change, even if I wanted it to.

I went maybe 5-6 months without watching anime until a few months ago and I realized there was this empty feeling and everything felt stale. Nearly four years ago now I lost contact with a group of people I would have called my friends, but it turns out close to the time I cut contact, our relationship changed from that of friends to "lets invite him out because we need money for something and I guess he's not THAT bad." At the start though, I had a job, I was going out a lot, experimenting with drugs, doing new things, and meeting new people in an attempt to work through my autism/anxiety, but it still wasn't what I wanted. I've been NEET for four years and it has easily been the best time for me. If it wasn't for the anxiety over the fact that I'm going to be forced to get a job and live a real life eventually, it'd have been perfect.

I think I'm permanently ruined by anime at this point. I'm approaching finishing my 200th series and watching them all is the only thing I don't get bored of.

>>36591106
Sometimes it's really your only choice.

Escapism is really nice until you hit your mid-twenties and realize how badly you've been wasting your life as you see all of your former friends achieving success in various areas. That's when life really kicks you in the ass, you realize you can't mooch off of mommy and daddy forever but you also come to the horrible realization that you're now at a giant disadvantage because instead of spending years on learning a trade/getting formal education you decided to work part time bagging groceris while watching anime for 50 hours+ a week.

I recommend against it. Go to school or get a trade that way you can start making money and supporting yourself by the time you're in your mid-twenties. Then you'll still be able to engage in escapism via getting drunk every night at bars/at home while watching anime but no one will be able to judge you too harshly for it.

>>36592580
What do you plan on doing when there are no series left to watch aside from obscure hentai and experimental shit?
Will you just rewatch your favorites?

>>36592652
Not that anon but it's literally impossible. Anime has like 20-30 series release 4 times a year. There's already (tens?) of thousands of shows available and they're only going to increase in number exponentially.

The world is not interesting because you suck

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>>36592652
What the other guy said, anime is produced at an amazing rate these days. Although I've already had to lower my standards a lot, I still enjoy it and with so much being created I'll probably continue to enjoy it. I've also been slowing down with how much I watch it lately because I'm autistic about when I watch it and the mood I'm in for watching it, which has been harder to meet because family stuff.

Plus most of what I've watched is from 2000 onward so I've still got 30 years worth of anime from before that point I could go back and watch.

I love engaging in escapism just as much as the next robot, but sadly I have come to the realization that the regret of not achieving anything, or even being independent, is going to eat you up inside the older you get. And that you need to get your shit in order a little bit like >>36592624 suggests before you start. And plus, if you put in enough effort, you can get to a place where living in the world isn't as painful, and you won't feel the need to escape all of the time.

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Absolutely not. Escapism is the smartest way of living.

Do you think that millionaires face life head on?
Do most people care about starving africans?
Could you even function if you tried to solve every problem presented to you?
Everyone is self absorbed into abstract ways of escapism. Life is too big and complex to pursue everything. You have to decide what's important and what isn't.

The difference with anime and games is that they are tailored for you.

>>36593077
>get a cushy 9-5 gov job
>no stress
>no responsibilities
>enough free time and disposable income to pursue one's hobbies
Is this the perfect lifestyle?

>>36592777
>just put yourself out there bro
>it's your fault if the world is shit

>>36591118
Does this apply to someone who makes a living off creating things?

>>36594225

How does one acquire such a job

Actually my ideal would be like, a 4-5 hour work day. Enough to feel productive and provide for yourself (assuming it's well paying), but without being too tired to do things you want to

>>36595367
I don't know about Americans, but in my country you can get a government job by taking an exam and passing. For high level jobs like diplomatic stuff the competition is harsh, but low level paper pushing shit and administration is easy to get into.
Just go to the website of the government agency you'd like to work for and see what the hiring process is like.

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>>36595409
Where are you from, Spain?

>>36595524
Originally france
Why, are all gov jobs very hard to get in the USA?

>>36595543
to get a job in the US you basically have to prove to the company/government that you can generate capital faster than they lose money by paying you

>>36595654
And how does that work exactly?
Are you saying that even receptionists and janitors have to prove they're "skilled enough" or whatever

>>36591266
You know perfectly well what he means you pedant.

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>>36592624
I realized this a almost five months ago at 22 and have since then made the effort to get a better job, got my license, re-enrolled into a gym to focus on my health, moved out the parent's house and now rent out a giant bedroom from this old couple so I can save money rather than going for an apartment right away, and most importantly signed up for college this summer to focus on Art and Software Engineering for productive interest/career.

Also somehow became a minimalist, sold off a lot of my stuff, and I can't bring myself to buy anything beyond basic needs so I guess the benefit there is I'm saving a lot more now than I was then.

>>36595686
Basicly. Also the places I've seen that have lax hiring standards are shit places to work (high turnover, stressful, shit employees etc)

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Isn't every action a form of escapism, even death? I'm partial too procrastination at everything, but I guess I'm just young enough to be able too atm. If you plan on living into your late 30's and don't have parents to support you It's probably best to escape your non productive escapism for a better one.

>have chad friend online
>have stacy friend online
>whenever either of them gets laid i get extremely detailed stories of what happened to fap to
my heart races when one of them is going out on a date. i get pics so i can see what they'll be wearing. sometimes i get pics of them having sex (not with each other, they are from different continents).

it's ok i guess.

>>36596130
By definition escapism is counter productive

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>>36591248
House what are you doing on /r9k/?

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>>36597430
Not really, Its a a way of escaping perceived boring or unpleasant scenarios. If you are working your are using an active form of escapism to escape a even worse scenario like homelessness or inactivity induced boredom.
I also believe every action we take is escapism, since it's usually made to escape another scenario you deem as unpleasant or arduous.
I might just be loony though so there's that.

>>36597430
No, it is not.
>he can't even look up some wiki definition

>>36596130
Consumerism in all form is escapism.

Listening to music, reading some fiction/novel, watching TV, going to parties, drinking alcohol and so on, all sorts of escapism.


It's totally stupid to say X is escapism, because it's dependant on time and place.

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>>36597711
>>36597711
>It's totally stupid to say X is escapism, because it's dependant on time and place.
I don't know about that anon, In this reality every action we take is at the expense of another we could have. basically this has lead me too the conclusion that all actions are forms of escapism towards other activities, I may be wrong though that's why I'm discussing it to find out.