Do people exist who don't hate trannies

>>36577516
>Do people exist who don't hate trannies
Yes. I actually like trannies because they can more often relate to me with the struggles of life.

>>36577516
No. I personally think all trans people are mentally ill and need to be euthanized.

>>36577516
>>>>>>entire american culture is founded upon worshiping degenerates
>>>>>>>>>literally mixed gender bathroom
>>>>>>>>>>>>being cis-gender scum is a sin in 2017
>this fucker complains about not being accepted on a conservative imageboard.
Fuck off Socialjusticeberg.

>>36577961
I wish I had friends like you anon

>>36577986
I don't think all trans people are mentally ill. I am though at least

>>36577995
>>>>>>>entire american culture is founded upon worshiping degenerates
Not true

>>>>>>>>>>literally mixed gender bathroom
Where outside of a university campus aka degeneracy funhouse

>>>>>>>>>>>>>being cis-gender scum is a sin in 2017
Am I being memed

>>36577995
>conservative imageboard
Good one

>>36577516

I don't hate on trans. Don't really understand why people give a fuck about it.

>>36578021
>I wish I had friends like you anon
We could always try to be online friends.

>>36577516
they piss off pol people, so they are at least good for that.

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>>36577995
This anon is correct. Please promptly motherfucking kill yourself, OP, you spoiled little brat. You can do jackshit your entire life and still get accepted to fuckin harvard on a full ride scholarship, just because your little feefees make you confused with the thing between your legs.

>oh muh diversity, please take these piles of money you fucking tranny abomination

Again, kill yourself OP

>>36578021
>wants to be another sex
>isnt mentally ill
kek

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>>36578021
People like you make me miss Adolf Hitler.

>>>>>>>entire american culture is founded upon worshiping degenerates
>Not true

Pic ultra-related

>>36577516
I don't hate trannies at all but I have a lot of disdain for you in particular

>>36577516
does being indifferent to them count?

>do people exist who dont hate the mentally ill
hmmm gee i wonder

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>>36578021
>I don't think all trans people are mentally ill. I am though at least
And you are correct.
You aren't mentally ill, because the mentally ill can be treated.

You're fucking subhuman, since not only are you degenerate, you also refuse treatment.

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>>36578051
Maybe because trans people define their ENTIRE MOTHERFUCKING EXISTENCE around the fact that they are trans, that they never shut up about it and make sure EVERYONE knows they're trans? Maybe the fact that they get enormous scholarships and other special treatment for being trans? Maybe because they are constantly bitching for trans rights even though they ARE FULLY EQUAL UNDER THE LAW????????? Why can't trannies shut up and fuck off already? They WON. It's over. Every millennial is crying a fucking river over trannies and looking for every opportunity to worship you fuckig tranny kikes

>>36577516
Yes. Do trainnies remind yourself of parts of you that you hate?

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Yes I like trannies, I find their story fascinating most of the time.
Love browsing /r/asktransgender/ and reading peoples stories and it feels good when they feel good.

>>36578130
you would probably still fuck one though

>>36578074
>wants to be another sex
>isnt mentally ill
It's just as mentally ill as wanting to be the president or an astronaut or anything else. It's just a desire, can you really not understand why some people would prefer to be the opposite sex?

The mental illness is gender dysphoria, when not being the opposite sex brings you pain and drives you to suicide.

>>36578064
Where are you getting this information? I'll take my full ride to harvard

>>36578083
I've never met anyone who didn't find that magazine cover annoying or worse, myself included. Who worships that?

>>36578084
It's pretty attention whorey of me to make this thread so I understand

>>36577516
I'd love to know what's it like to have a tranny friend. I like gay people, so I'd probably like trannies too.

>>36578150
>Who worships that.
Literally the entire liberal population.

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>>36578135
Originalio Originalio this poster is a fagitario

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>>36578150
How about you use le internet search engine and search the query "lgbt scholarships" moron? At that point you will notice the literal hundreds of millions of dollars the entire world wants to fucking throw at you and your hormone-stewed nondenominational genitals. Fucking faggot

>>36577516
i don't know any trans people really but i have nothing against them.

>>36578150
>The mental illness is gender dysphoria, when not being the opposite sex brings you pain and drives you to suicide.
Thanks for agreeing with me you fucking idiot.

Not only you fail at being a woman but you also fail at basic grammar

The only transgender people I have ever met have been angry, manipulative, and despicable people. I actually dated someone who became a tranny, she is biologically female. Before you say I'm not a robot, we never fucking did anything and I'm pretty sure she was just using me to complain about how much she hated her parents (we only ever talked on the phone and I hung out with her a couple times with her mom present). She was a manipulative, selfish person.

>>36577516
I have no problem with them as long as cool people and chill, I met 2 IRL broke both of their noses for grabbing my dick at a club dif times

>>36577516
What does it have to do with me?

>>36578120
Transition treats gender dysphoria for some people.

>>36578130
It's hard not to because being trans has defined my entire existence. It has ruined my life since I could barely speak

>Maybe because they are constantly bitching for trans rights
What rights are trannies bitching for? I don't pay attention to that stuff

>>36578134
Yes

>>36578163
Maybe I can be friends with you and >>36578053

>>36578168
They're in the own little bubble

>>36578206
It wouldn't do me any good because I dropped out of college anyway, and even if I got a full ride scholarship to the best university I would fuck it up again. Even if those scholarships exist, trannies are so fucking rare, are there really that many 'taking away' from other people?

>>36578245
I don't know any trans people either


>>36578248
Not all transgender people have gender dysphoria. A lot of people who had gender dysphoria also stop having it after transition

>>36578301
>they're in their own little bubble.

Yeah, a bubble of 150 million fucking people in Amerifat, 25 million in Cucked Canuck, and millions more worldwide.

Fuck off.

I don't hate trannies, but they can get very annoying.
Also being a tranny is more acceptable than being a beta male.or a male virgin so don't complain

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>>36577516
Yeah, I'm pretty tolerable about what other people choose to do with their lives. I don't care at all as long as you're not fucking my shit up while you fuck your shit up, ya know? I think a trans friend would be cool, especially considering they can relate with me more. As long as you're not uptight, I'm easy to get along with. I'm sure there are plenty of people that feel the same.

DAILY REMINDER.

BEING A TRAP ISN'T A MENTAL ILLNESS.

IT JUST MEANS YOU'RE AN EDGY FAGGOT ROLEPLAYING AS THE OPPOSITE GENDER FOR ATTENTION POINTS.

>>36578150
I don't really mean it desu I'm just bitter and jaded
you probably aren't that shit of a person

I don't hate trannies

but I do hate people who like steven universe

>>36578206
you can also search "left handed scholarships" and find stuff there too,
must be a sinister conspiracy as well.

>>36578340
>>36578331
>>36578283
>>36578245
>>36578163
>>36578051
>all these fuckers don't hate trapfags.

>EVERY1 HATES TRAPS!!!!

I wouldn't hate people with mental disabilities that'd be mean :0

>>36578279
I fail at most things

>>36578316
I thought trump won specifically because most people don't like that stuff. Though I guess you're right that enough people do like it to be a problem. I am a mentally ill brainlet, forgive me

>>36578331
I don't think so. Most male betas don't get kicked out by their parents until they're in the 20's or later, I was kicked out at 15. Most male betas are also disappointments to their family and not completely outcast. I guess it's more acceptable on twitter and stuff and other places that don't matter

>>36578340
You seem nice.

>>36578341
If I was roleplaying as the opposite gender I wouldn't claim to be trans

>>36578356
I really am a shit person though

>>36578374
I guess I just needed a reminder that not everyone hates trannies. That doesn't change the fact that so many people despise trannies and actually want me to die for being one

>tfw i btfo a trans degenerate
feels good man

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check your privileges, cis scum

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>>36578374
only when im outside

>>36578424
>That doesn't change the fact that so many people despise trannies and actually want me to die for being one
Holy shit get over yourself. You know how many people despise white men and want them to die for being one? You know how many people despise Americans and want them to die? Stop fucking whining and take control of your life you prick.

>>36577516
Humans naturally hate anything seen as incorrect
>crooked picture on wall
>lifting weights wrong
>being a fucking tranny (.006% the population)

I don't hate trannies. In fact I saw it as profound proof of the brainwashing going in society when my bitch History teacher mocked me for not being disgusted by the town Tranny when I was in second year and then several years later gave me detention for saying the word Tranny.

Back then i figured Trannies would be down to Earth hippy sorts rather than fuckhead crazies the worst of both genders (as 4chan would have me believe they are, I don't know any) but shit happens. I still don't hate them.

>>36577516
Why should we accept trannies when they can't even accept who they are?

>>36578461
>You know how many people despise white men and want them to die for being one?
>You know how many people despise Americans and want them to die?
I live in the united states, and I imagine those two groups are probably very tiny and inconsequential minorities here. I'm sure there's a lot more people like that outside the US.

The difference is that I live in the society where I'm the hated minority. I think 4chan shows how people actually feel outside of political correctness, which is that they generally hate people like me.

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>>36578457
>"The Separatists are depleting our reinforcements!"

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>>36578301
> Maybe I can be friends with you
I barely have any friends and I live in complete isolation. I doubt you'll find anything interesting in me.

>>36577516
Legitimate gender dysphoria is necessarily a mental illness.

and I secretly don't like people with mental disorders

>>36577516
transgender people obviously have a hard life and deserve to be treated like anyone else. There's no reason to hate people for their problems

>>36578536
You didn't get the message. Everyone hates eachother. You are not special. Stop whining and complaining that you receive too much hate when humanity is full of hate and everyone receives it daily. I'm tired of hearing this whining from you trannies.

>>36578458
why was there so little fan stuff of felix?

>>36578618
>Everyone hates eachother.
no sounds like you are just projecting on eveyone else edgelord.

>>36578647
Not at all, you just haven't really seen what humanity is like. I'm not saying there is no good, but there is quite a lot of hatred and bad people out there and if you think you can actually prevent that you are delusional. The best you can do is just get over it and make sure you can live without those people. That's more noble than trying to get everyone else to change for you.

>>36578301
>Maybe I can be friends with you and >>36578053 (You)
I'll keep the thread open if you decide that you do.

The chasers (which there are a lot of here) you trannies complain about, and the LGBT community I suppose.

But the chasers will fuck you, and then disappear once they figure out that you wanted something more then a one night stand.

>>36578777
the hell is a chaser?

>>36578776
If the thread is going to fall off the board please just let it die

>>36578777
I don't like the lgbt community and I think the entire concept of a chaser is dumb. Does that make me a cool tranny

>>36577516
I don't really hate anyone. I can get pissed off by people but I realize everyone is a slave to fate in the end.

>>36578804
that makes you my mortal enemy

>>36578804
>If the thread is going to fall off the board please just let it die
As in keep it open in my tabs, not constant bumping from page 10.

Anyone who lives in a liberal or college town see them all the time. The are usually local celebrities depending where they work.

Every gay person I've worked with is a passive aggressive drama queen and it disrupts productivity though. I have no idea why maybe I just have bad luck

>>36578838
>Anyone who lives in a liberal or college town see them all the time.
are you just making shit up?
in my entire life I have only seen one.

>>36578837
Sorry. I'm a brainlet

>>36578859
Nope. Madison WI has a bunch.

>>36578803
You know the term "chubby chaser?" Well it's like that but they chase trannies instead.

>>36578803
People who are attracted to trans people. Since trannies hate themselves they hate people for being attracted to what they hate, aka themselves

>>36578836
Why?

>>36578939
so like guys that specifically go after trannies?
why?
I always figured it was a settling thing.

>>36578975
>Since trannies hate themselves they hate people for being attracted to what they hate, aka themselves
I can actually relate to that,
I couldn't respect a woman that liked me.

>>36578980
>why?
Does it really surprise you? The only thing surprising to me is why fat people and trannies don't like people that actually are attracted to them and call them chasers. It's almost like they want to convert all the straight people rather than be with someone who actually likes them.

>>36578975
>Why?
my immortal enemy is mani the most vengeful of the norse moon gods.

>>36578975
>Since trannies hate themselves they hate people for being attracted to what they hate, aka themselves
This is why I say they have a mental illness. Seriously, do trannies even believe they aren't mentally ill?

>>36579018
Does that mean I'm a norse moon god

>>36579037
Not all trannies think that way. I already said that I think the concept of being a chaser is dumb, if you like something you like it, there's nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't fault someone for liking me even though I'm trans

That said I'm definitely mentally ill, can't say the same for other trannies

I wouldn't have hated them if they weren't shoved in my face and spammed to high heaven everyday on this board. The seem like attention whores with split personality disorders.

>>36579058
>Does that mean I'm a norse moon god
I said you were my MORTAL enemy you dingus

>>36579080
But why am I your mortal enemy, that's what I'm asking

>>36579058
>That said I'm definitely mentally ill, can't say the same for other trannies

It's a mental illness mate. It's a form of body dysmorphia. And if you say you are fine with your male body but just want to be called a women you are just being a trendy tumblr chick and don't deserve sympathy for that.

>>36579016
>The only thing surprising to me is why fat people and trannies don't like people that actually are attracted to them and call them chasers
I never understood this.

>>36578980
Most of them just want to experiment. It's the reason most trannies find them disgusting.

>>36579121
I already said this too. Did you read the thread?

Gender dysphoria is mental illness. Being trans is not, it's just a label. Some people who are crippled by gender dysphoria transition and things work out for them and they don't suffer from dysphoria anymore.

>>36579132
I'd be happy if a girl used me to experiment, whats the big deal?

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>>36577516
I don't hate trans people. I have a trans friend who is a pretty cool dude.

What I take issue with is people who make trans-ness seem like a joke. People who identify as "genderfluid demiboy with he/xim/faeself pronouns" that change their name every other week piss me off. They clearly have no dysphoria whatsoever and are just bandwagoning because they fell in with the Tumblr crowd.

I feel so bad for people with actual dysphoria that get lumped in with those retards. My trans friend with legitimate reasons to transition dared to question one of them once and got verbally blasted for hours by SJWs.

>>36579141
>Being trans is not, it's just a label
Then why should I care that some people don't care about your labels? Who cares if you are misgendered if it is just a lifestyle choice equivalent to fashion?

>>36579098
well I'm am not tellings you,

>>36579164
I hate that too. I can barely relate to people who call themselves trans

>>36579173
Why do you only thing in vague extremes

>>36579186
>Why do you only thing in vague extremes
Explain what you mean? How is what I said extreme? I don't consider the new definition of gender to be accurate so I don't refer to people based on that. What's so bad about that?

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>>36579016
>tfw I like fatties AND trannies and if I ever got in a relationship with either I'd have to pretend like I didn't enjoy their bodies

>>36579241
>I don't consider the new definition of gender
What new definition? There's only male and female

Being trans is not a lifestyle choice. If you're trans it's because you developed a defective brain that makes you have gender dysphoria. Transition is a treatment plan for dealing with gender dysphoria. If it works, you don't have gender dysphoria anymore. Meaning you're trans and not mentally ill. Is it that hard to understand?

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>>36579144
Of course you would... right now. But what if you fall in love with that girl? Then she lets you fuck her and disappears forever.

Your probably thinking "but that sounds awesome to just fuck all these chasers, because I'll never fall in love anyway XD" Yeah, I used to think that too until it happens.

>>36579285
>If it works
Does it really work though? I mean is telling a person with anorexia that they are healthy as a skeleton really treating it? No, ideally you would try to help them overcome their dysmorphia and eat a healthy amount of food. Now I get cutting of your genitals isn't quite the same as starving yourself but it is still mutilating your body to treat an illness. That doesn't sound like treatment to me.

I was referring to the "transtrenders" when I was talking about the "fashion choice"

>>36577995
>cuckservative imageboard
kek

>>36579285
>>36579348
Also I personally believe HRT on preteens should be considered a form of child abuse and should be illegal.

>>36579348
>Does it really work though?
Not for everyone but it works for some. It's the only thing that has any success at all

>I mean is telling a person with anorexia that they are healthy as a skeleton really treating it?
Obviously not. Giving them cancer medication or anything else that has nothing to do with their problem won't treat it either. Every mental illness is different. Why are you comparing innate gender dysphoria to developed anorexia?

>>36579367
That's because you are putting your judgement on a problem you know absolutely nothing about and have not even the slightest understanding of. If I started HRT as a preteen I wouldn't be here, I would actually have a life worth living

If even I smoke if odds I dont

>>36577516
>shooping my perfect waifu to make her ugly
you're a dead man

>>36579398
>It's the only thing that has any success at all
Maybe, I'm glad you at least see it as a mental illness instead of insisting it is normal.

>That's because you are putting your judgement on a problem you know absolutely nothing about and have not even the slightest understanding of
I find it very hard to believe a 10 year old even knows they have gender dysphoria. So many stupid liberal parents are probably convincing their children to become trans so they can be special snowflakes and giving their children HRT which will permanently damage their bodies. I would not want my entire rest of my life to be determined by 10 year old me. Imagine if you go on HRT as a perfectly normal boy and you grow up and realize you don't want to be a girl and you actually wanted to be a boy but were just confused? Now your life is ruined because your parents chose to trust a 10 year old. That should be considered child abuse, the parents had to allow it.

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>>36578468
>Humans naturally hate anything seen as incorrect

Only the neurotypical normies

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>>36579481
I didn't shoop her, I found that image on /co/

>>36579491
I've said multiple times in this thread that gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Isn't that obvious to everyone?

>>36579491
>I find it very hard to believe a 10 year old
I knew when I was three, it's the earliest thing I remember. It's been there my entire life.

You've known you were a boy since you were kid, right? It's the same fucking thing.

>So many stupid liberal parents are probably convincing their children to become trans so they can be special snowflakes and giving their children HRT which will permanently damage their bodies.
There can't be that many parents who actually WANT their children to be part of a group with an astronomically high suicide rate. You read far too much into /pol/ propoganda

> Imagine if you go on HRT as a perfectly normal boy and you grow up and realize you don't want to be a girl and you actually wanted to be a boy but were just confused?
That's why when you talk to a gender therapist, they go out of their way to make sure that you're not just confused. Most people just don't suddenly have trans feelings out of nowhere

Far more lives are ruined because parents resisted the feelings of their trans kids than because parents pushed it on their kids.

>>36577961
I don't hate trannies, I think some of them are obnoxious as fuck, but that can be said of people from any group, cult, background etc

trannies are relatable because lots of people fucking hate them for no good reason, so they know the struggle.

As far as I'm concerned, whether it's a mental illness or not is irrelevant. People can do whatever the fuck they want, it doesn't concern me, and it shouldn't concern anybody else.
Robots just want something to be mad at.

>>36579613
>I knew when I was three
Now I know you are full of shit.

I don't think HRT is even the real proper treatment, I just think people have adopted it as the way to treat it and nobody cares to try other methods. I still think it is 100% child abuse to do that to your kid.

>>36579658
I got into an argument with my mom once because I said I knew I felt this way when I was three and she screamed I didn't act that way until I was four as if that fucking would have changed anything

>I don't think HRT is even the real proper treatment,
Of course not, you think it's all bullshit. It's just a nonexistent problem fabricated by the jews and gayfrog water

>>36579713
How can you even remember 3 year old you? I highly doubt you even really understood what being a boy meant. You most likely enjoyed girly things, that's called being feminine not being an actual women. I'm sure 3 or 4 year old you totally knew what hormones were.

>It's just a nonexistent problem fabricated by the jews and gayfrog water
What's your problem? Anyone who questions your dogma is some conspiracy theorist? I think it's bullshit because it doesn't address the issue, it's like treating someone who wants excessive plastic surgery by just telling them to go ahead and get it. I think better treatment would be figuring out how to get them to accept themselves as they are.

>>36579778
>How can you even remember 3 year old you
I barely remember anything from that age, just a few key memories. It just so happens those memories are related to trans feelings

>I highly doubt you even really understood what being a boy meant.
You'd be correct because I didn't understand the differences between boys and girls at all. You really don't seem to understand what we're discussing here.

>You most likely enjoyed girly things,
It was a mix

>I'm sure 3 or 4 year old you totally knew what hormones were.
I'm not even sure what you mean by this statement. Why would I know about hormone therapy anywhere near that age? The existence of hormone therapy doesn't change the issue whatsoever, I'm just lucky I guess to be born in a time where it's a thing

>Anyone who questions your dogma
You're not questioning though.

>>36579838
>I didn't understand the differences between boys and girls at all
Yeah you didn't. If you knew what a vagina was at that age I would be fucking baffled.

>You're not questioning though.
What's this even supposed to mean?

>>36579877
You seem to think that I'm some kind of trans activist or something. I'm not pushing my fucking dogma, I'm not pushing an agenda, I'm just stating my beliefs that come from my experiences. You're just saying that my experiences are bullshit, invalid etc.

>>36579956
I was talking about hormone therapy, you said it is the best way to treat it. I think it is just the way that everyone has adopted, not necessarily the best way. Do they even consider it a mental illness anymore?

Also some of your claims are ridiculous, how can a 3 year old feel gender dysphoric if he doesn't even really understand what gender is? You say it's not about liking girly things (this includes long hair, pink shirts, etc.) or wanting a vagina so what is it? How can you feel like a girl if you don't know what a girl is?

>>36580011
>How can you feel like a girl if you don't know what a girl is?

Because feelings exist without knowledge. Animals still have feelings. This is how it was

>parents say I'm a boy and my sister is a girl
>I say we're both girls
>parents explain no, I'm a boy
>don't understand and get upset

>slightly older
>ask why I'm a boy and not a girl
>parents explain that I was born a boy, boys have a penis etc.
>accept that I'm a boy because I trust my parents obviously
>constantly think to myself that something isn't right, some kind of mistake has been made etc.

It just continued along that train forever. My instincts tell me I'm a girl when that's obviously not true and all rational evidence shows the opposite. But I can't rationalize the feeling away because it's incredibly deep rooted. It's always been there and nothing I do despite my best efforts makes it go away.

You can't make this problem go away with just therapy. If you can find an alternative to transition, you will become a fucking millionaire and make thousands of people incredibly happy. I legitimately encourage you to do this.

>You say it's not about liking girly things
It's not. Lots of girls don't like girly things. It's about your identity. It's about the inescapable feeling that you're the 'wrong' sex. For no. fucking. reason.

>>36580197
Adding to this

>How can you feel like a girl
I have no idea what it feels like to be a girl. I don't know what being a boy is supposed to feel like. I just know that my brain tells me I need to be a girl and I'm not, so every day is miserable.

>>36580197
>>36580210
Interesting, I've never heard this perspective but I have heard perspectives that sound like body dysmorphia. I hope you realize that this makes no sense at all. The only distinction between boy and girl you would have is simply a word so it's strange you would go through with HRT over that? Unless you really do want a vagina, wide hips, etc? I don't even think what you are describing is gender dysphoria, it is some kind of weird obsession with a word.

>>36580294
>I hope you realize that this makes no sense at all.
Well yeah

>I don't even think what you are describing is gender dysphoria, it is some kind of weird obsession with a word.
I was just describing it from the earliest feelings. As you get older it gets far worse. Gender affects fucking everything. Your clothes feel wrong, the toys you have feel wrong, the way people treat you feels wrong and you never really understand why, you just know the feeling that if you were a girl things would be right, you'd be treated the way you're 'supposed' to be treated.

Then at puberty it becomes a fucking nightmare. Suddenly it's not just "why are they calling me boy instead of girl", instead it feels like you're trapped in a body horror film where everything about you is forcibly twiste into the wrong direction. I started seriously wanting to kill myself when I was 11, obviously that's not fucking normal. Learning about HRT later was fucking torture because if I had known about it sooner and had supporting parents all of that agony would have been completely avoided.

>Unless you really do want a vagina, wide hips, etc?
It feels like that a lot. I want what girls have, because they have it. Not because I think I would prefer to have girl parts over guy parts.

What I REALLY want is gender dysphoria to fucking go away. You say it's an obsession, but that implies it's something I consciously think about, not something that I'm forced to be subjected to

>>36580429
>but that implies it's something I consciously think about
Does it? I don't know if it does.

See I don't think you really had the problem at an early age, I can believe it developed into that and maybe you do have memories of saying you want to be a girl at 3 but I don't think that was related to the dysphoria. I think it is something that emerges as you age (it could still be caused by genes if this is the case). See it doesn't sound like you even wanted HRT you just wanted to treat your illness. That's the point I'm making, that people should research alternatives that can actually treat it properly. I also think there is way to much of a risk with injecting a fucking prepubescent boy with estrogen, even if you think it would have helped you I still think it is morally wrong.

>>36580529
>See I don't think you really had the problem at an early age

Well my mother who is extremely conservative and devoutly religious and fucking DETESTS the existence of gay and trans people says that she knew I felt that way at that age, and it fucking pained her to say it. She even brought up examples from things I didn't remember. She herself has said that she has struggled my entire life to figure out why I am this way, what my parents did to fuck me up so much and how I became this way, but after soulsearching for years she finally accepts that I'm born this way. And not because she buys into liberal view point on trans issues, because she doesn't see it that way at all. She thinks I was born this way because that's the only thing that explains it.

>that people should research alternatives that can actually treat it properly
There's decades of research on way to cure it, far more research on curing those feelings than supporting them with transition. There is no alternative. There may be one in the future but there isn't one now.

>I also think there is way to much of a risk with injecting a fucking prepubescent boy with estrogen
Reminds me of those japanese doctors who kept that guy with radiation poisoning alive because it was 'the right thing to do'. Or I guess people who circumcise their kids because it's "the right thing"

What are the fucking risks of estrogen? Sterility? Maybe osteoporosis after a lifetime of taking it? These are incredibly minor compared to neverending agony of going through the wrong puberty and being trapped that way forever. If you're trans and you take hormones early, you will actually have a life to live, you have the best chance at happiness.

>>36580702
Well actually i might have reacted too quickly

If you mean prepubescent as in well before puberty, then obviously you shouldn't give someone at that age hormones. If you mean at the beginning of puberty, or just before (10-14 depening on person) range you're wrong, because that's the absolute IDEAL range to give someone hormones

>>36580702
>What are the fucking risks of estrogen? Sterility? Maybe osteoporosis after a lifetime of taking it?
Okay that's not what I meant. I meant the risks of someone who didn't have gender dysphoria taking estrogen and destroying their lives. Regardless, I'm done arguing we are going in circles.

>>36577516
of course they fucking do. go -outside- and you will see them everywhere. won't find bloody many on 4chan tho.

>>36580811
>I meant the risks of someone who didn't have gender dysphoria taking estrogen and destroying their lives.

If you're a kid or teenager and go to a therapist for several years before starting, you'll know if you're really trans or not. That risk only happens if someone jumps into transitioning like a moron.

>>36580811
>I meant the risks of someone who didn't have gender dysphoria taking estrogen and destroying their lives.
I know alan turing (the man considered the father of computers and the one that cracked the german enigma code) was forced to take estrogen because he was caught having a gay relationshipswhich was illegal in the uk at the time, they gave him a choice prison or "treatment" , the treatment involved taking estrogen to kill his sex drive,
it also made him really fat , grow breasts and become depressed,
so he killed himself with a poison apple.

>>36580811
it's reversible, dumbass. they can stop taking it and their hormones will return to normal. WORST case scenario they grow tits and have to either get them removed or live with man boobs, but for that to happen they'd need to stay on it way longer than it would take for them to realize "oh shit I don't like this".
>>36580702
btw, estrogen doesn't even give you osteoperosis. only taking antiandrogens on their own, without a sex hormone, does that.

>>36580881
It's the same thing with David Reimer, if you force someone to take the hormones of the sex they don't identify with, they will be fucked up and want to die

Trannies kill themselves because their body forces the wrong hormones on them and they usually can't correct it until they're adults and the damage is done

>>36580920
well intead of doing that weird frankenstein shit on their body, why not just focus on fixing their brains?

>>36580956
Because you can't take medicine to rewire your brain. Like I said if you can find a way to do that you'll become a millionaire and change the world for the better

>>36580920
>heir body forces the wrong hormones on them
No it doesn't it is literally giving them the proper hormones based on their sex. The body does not care about "gender identity." Also like the other anon said, this is a brain issue not a hormone issue.

>>36580996
>Because you can't take medicine to rewire your brain.
because we arn't focusing our research on that area,
Im pretty sure its scientifically possible.

>>36581028
>Im pretty sure its scientifically possible.
Me too. It just doesn't currently exist.

Should we not give people the treatment for hiv to suppress their symptoms because a cure for it doesn't yet exist?

>>36577995
>>36578064
Despite what /pol/ seems to think, this board doesn't belong to anybody. Not when anybody can hop on here and post what ever they want, and not have to fear getting their opinion censored in any way.
Y'all have /pol/, keep your bullshit there
>>>r/the_Donald cocksuckers

>>36580996
you realize the implications of rewiring a person's brain, their very fucking identity? the ethical concerns are enormous. better to work on changing the body to accommodate the mind, and only "rewiring" a person's brain if they are a danger to themselves or others (i.e. mentally ill in accordance with DSM-V).

>>36581147
actually we already have drugs that can completely wipe out the virus in the bloodstream,
the issue is that's its expensive and the virus basically has hiding places outside of the blood where it can wait and lie dormant so it would just come back,
its just one last hurdle we have to go through and there are some ideas scientists have on flushing them out,
I do believe a cure for HIV is close at hand.

>>36581337
>you realize the implications of rewiring a person's brain, their very fucking identity?
"Risks of Flowering: considerable. But rewards of godhood: who can measure?" -- Usurper Judaa Marr, "Courage : To Question"

>>36581369
Right, and like I said, until we have a perfect cure we use the best treatment that exists

>>36581386
that quote doesn't make any goddamn sense in context
assuming it's just as difficult to rewire a brain medically as it is to "perfect" the art of physical sex change (because it probably is - we don't know the first thing about how identity works on a biological level) - why would we change who a person is rather than changing the body to match their own vision of themselves? i don't want to open the door to literal medically sanctioned brainwashing thanks.

I like trannies who are ftm because mtfs are fucking disgusting

>>36577516
I'm not even joking when I say that if transgirls could get pregnant, women would be totally worthless to me, dirt between your heels. All the transgirls I've met have been way more relatable than normal girls. They're more interesting and more likely to share my autistic hobbies. At worst they're a bit nuts or communists or something, which is to be expected, and the dumb shit pushed in the media is irritating. But personally speaking, I've never had any problems with trannies and moreover would be willing to date and even marry a transgirl.

>>36577516
I don't hate them but I hate gender dysphoria for all the trouble it causes these people, it would be best if everyone could live their life comfortable with who they are.

>>36577516
People who can't critically think and/or have Aspergers.

>>36581733
Use critical thinking to justify hate every transsexual person.

>>36577516
I guess I don't mind them but I don't like obnoxious people no matter what you are. If you are chill and you don't have much fire in your personality, I will probably be cool with you.