>"free market" capitalist country has financial

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>>36432225
Really reddened my almonds

>>36432225
>>36432349
>muh evul corporashuns!

not an argument

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>>36432393
>spouting molymeme lines

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>America has epidemics of obesity and starvation
>one of the only developed countries without universal healthcare
>education is a business
>prisons are businesses with free labor
>"work hard and you'll make money"
>watch the wealthy pass on their money through inheritance

>>36432225
>the commie thinks that you can solve the problem of govt intervention in the market with more govt intervention
better dead

>>36432393
>>36432648
>it's an "American thinks his shithole country has it better than the rest of the developed world" episode

>>36432225
>communism always fails
>capitalism is some how worse
lel

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>>36432648
>thinks I support the state extracting wealth from the worker if I don't support capitalists extracting wealth from the worker

>>36432998
WHOA WHAT A TWIST

>>36432225
there is no government bailouts in a free market you retard. also the success of a free market system usually attracts the wrong immigrants if they have a welfare state.

anyone notice how things are getting smaller and smaller? Notice how there's less things to choose from. I'm tripping out right now because everything seems less and less.

>>36433038
its gon b ok nigga just drink some water and lie down

>>36432632
>commies have neither epidemics
>just regular, consistent starvation
Ayyy

>>36432225
>>>/pol/

I DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT YOUR POLITICAL OPINIONS, YOU'RE NOT FUCKING FUNNY OR DEEP YOU'RE JUST A FUCKING TRYHARD NORMIE

GO FUCKING PROTEST AND GET MACED FAGGOT

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>>36433072
>most countries in the world are capitalist
>most countries are shitholes
>there are about 180 capitalist countries and only maybe 30 of them aren't shitholes
>capitalism fails 83% of the time
>capitalism kills 100 million people every 5 years
>dishonest media cherrypicks socialist countries and avoids capitalist countries to suit a narrative
Really activates my reticular activating system.

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>>36433033
>there is no government bailouts in a free market you retard.
There is no such thing as a "free market" period. Free markets are only good when the rich aren't threatened. Otherwise you need the government to crush labor organizations, give subsidies, and enforce property. We live in a really-existing free market.

>>36432225
The most important thing to understand is that markets are always imposed by the state. After all, you need to have: a common unit of account; a reliable way of clearing transactions in that unit; a way of adjudicating contracts; and a way of deciding and enforcing ownership. The fact that liberal (as in libertarian) cuckolds think this is all "the state of nature" would be funny if it weren't so destructive.

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>>36432393
>defending quasi-Stalinist collectivist institutions
Capitalists do not deserve to call themselves individualists.

>>36433133
Communism fails 100% of the time

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>>36433327
You have the freedom to leave a corporation, join a better business, or make your own. There is no alternative when the state controls everything unless a neighboring government is willing to accept refugees from that state.
>implying individualism exists under a communist system

>>36433418
There's no freedom to leave a society that's dictated by the whims of corporations, lobbyists, and corrupt politicians.

>>36432225
yeah y didn't they just give it to npc's to spend on shit from the christmas tree shop and scratch tickets I mean cmon what is up with this capitalist oligarchy? good ting welfare is still a thing, otherwise I would REALLY hate the gov't.

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>>36433418
>You have the freedom to leave a corporation, join a better business, or make your own
Yeah, and "you have the freedom to move from one Eastern Bloc state to another," and "you have the freedom to move from this jail cell to that jail cell."

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>>36433750
>bosses should give out free shit to help their employees but not themselves

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>>36433798
>employees do all the fucking work but the boss has any entitlement to a portion of the outcome like a fucking welfare queen
You fucking cuck. Do you realize the implication of your statements? You are saying that other people have the right to what you've worked for. If you wouldn't accept the state doing it, why would you accept some useless mouthbreather in a cubicle taking what you worked for?

>>36433750
Nigga Ivan's babushka couldn't even leave her state-run farm, much less quit to find a farm with nicer management and a more easygoing corporate culture

>>36432225
>tfw middle class citizen who decided to spend their money on stock instead of on booze and shitty traveling vacation memes
>tfw get the fuck back to work so I can keep making my dividends

>>36432225
if this shit takes over the jew meme then it truly is summer.

>>36432225
i really like the idea of communism but i don't think that our technology isn't developed enough for that. worst problems communism had were that the work force couldn't be replaced and there wasn't enough supplies because of that also bad leaders,ongoing world war and recovering from it and basically the whole other world ganging up on them. we should wait for full automation of manual labor. then people will work only because they enjoy working and others NEET it up.

>>36433848
>bosses buy all the fucking tools but doesn't have any entitlement to a portion of the outcome like a fucking hippie
Without the tools, the employee wouldn't be making any money, so if you're going to use the boss's tools, you have to repay him somehow.
If you don't like it, buy your own tools and be self employed, or just become a NEET.

>>36433418
sure you have the freedom to, but it is a mostly useless freedom, since corporations are backed by the state while small businesses are hindered by it. corporations are already huge, century old establishments which have enormous economic power. even if your business grows, you can easily be bought out by a corporation during hard times. I don't know if it would be better under a "true" free market, or even if socialism would be the solution, but you'd have to be retarded to think the current system works.

>>36433957
Your a total retard faggot for liking communism and deserve to be poor because of it

>>36434051
so instead of attempting to refute my point you are just throwing an empty ad hominem on me? you really should go and suck jews cock, maybe he'll give you some nice shiny shekels for it.

>>36434104
>bazinga i think communism is real im a faggot

collegefag detected

>>36434104
It doesn't work man and it never will. A fundamental principle of human behavior is that we always desire more resources, and so even if you automate everything, people will still view they don't have enough. I mean let's be honest most poor people can afford the food and shelter. Everything else besides this is not necessary. So communism is fundamentally flawed in both the short and long run.

There happy? Now refute it

>>36434104
>complains about ad hominems
>spouts an ad hominem in return
for being morally superior to the greedy capitalist you sure act as bad as them

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>>36433984
>>bosses buy all the fucking tools but doesn't have any entitlement to a portion of the outcome like a fucking hippie
He's entitled to no more than what he put in. If he bought the tools with his hard-earned money, that's one thing (although in many cases business owners get loans to start their company). If he just sits on his ass after that, he shouldn't get back any more than what he initially put in. Once his initial investment is paid off by the workers, if he doesn't work he's entitled to nothing more.

>>36434175
What are risks?
What are original ideas?
What is education and research?
Your reasoning works for a bread factory not so much for modern corporations.

>>36433848
There is a disconnect about what people think is fair exchange in return for work. The boss is entitled to take as much as they want short of min, wage, benefits, taxes or whatever legal stuff there is. Although since it's really an unplanned economy in that way it's sort of getting past the point where it can be spread around and called an economy. There really should be a legal and social distinction between ultra rich and not ultra rich like first class citizens, second class citizens, aside from obvious signs like homeless and or, malnourished.

>>36434162
people should be made to feel that they have enough, and automating everything gives even more room to invent more things. since there are no patents people can freely use others inventions and develop technologies even further this works in china.

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>>36434202
>What are risks?
What is limited liability? What are loans? What are tax breaks?
>What are original ideas?
Ideas are worthless without implementation. From the days of Aristotle up until Beethoven ideas weren't copyrighted. And in most cases the owner of the company isn't the one coming up with the great ideas.
>What is education and research?
OVERWHELMINGLY funded by the public. The risk is socialized, and if the research pays off and becomes a product, the profits are privatized. A very efficient transfer of wealth that has been going on in the US for the past seventy years.

>>36434175
>"he shouldn't get back any more than what he initially put in."
>not understanding that the main principle of capitalism is agreeing to a deal that benefits both parties (boss invests in tools to aid the employee in work, employee gets money for his work, boss gets profits from helping the employee work)
For calling everything a spook you sure act like a moralfag.

>>36434252
>implying China didn't steal all of its technology from the west
Okay I now see it was a mistake to try and argue with you. Enjoy retardation

>>36434289
is it stealing or is it simply refining it? in china they will fix your broken iphone screen for 15$ and even build you a new one for 100$

>>36433133
Most of the problems caused in the graphic are due to previous or current state intervention

>>36434477
>Most of the problems caused in the graphic are due to previous or current state intervention
I agree. Including the problem of all the wealth the rich have, which is a result of state intervention (subsidies, selective tax breaks, suppression of labor unions, bailouts), not competition in a "free market." And since their wealth was acquired through the state by force, there is no problem with taking it back.

>be communist
>undermine tradition, family, patriotism, religion
>don't actually do anything to improve the lot of the worker

Communists are truly awful people.

>>36434271
Nigga what? The copyright was invented along with the printing press. A while before Beethoven.

Also, the government hardly funds research that is of use to the average person. Most of it defense spending, with a tiny amount going to stuff like vaccines. Most of what you use, including most pharmaceuticals, were funded by corporations.

Yeah stuff like the internet was funded by the government, but even then it was corporations that vastly improved it. If we only went by government funded research we'd still be using floppy disks.

>>36434581
>The copyright was invented along with the printing press.
Intellectual property was scarcely enforced until the mid-19th century.

>>36434606
It was enforced as much as they could back then. Point is it did exist though.

The bailout was a loan and it has been fully repaid:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/bailout-highly-profitable-for-taxpayers-when-you-look-at-the-right-numbers/2015/01/01/dc2a05a6-8fa5-11e4-a412-4b735edc7175_story.html?utm_term=.7aa935cfb43c

There would have been a crisis like there's never been without that bailout, 50% unemployment, people dying of starvation, etc

Luckily we have pragmatic people in charge and not ideological zealots that would make everything worse because of muh ideology...

>>36432225

Thanks obammu

>>36434647
The point was that great works of art and literature flourished up until the mid-19th century, in the absence of intellectual property rights (patents, copyright, etc).

>>36432225
>be Iceland
>bankers and stock brockers create financial crisis
>throw those morons in jail
>????
>sign law that guarantees equal pay for women and men
>????
>PROFIT

>>36432393
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>>36432648
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>>36434545
This is stupid as fuck

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>>36434660
>The bailout was a loan and it has been fully repaid:
Yeah, sure. If I loan you a million dollars, in a time of financial crisis and I need that money immediately to pay off my house and to keep my pension funded, but you pay me back ten years later, who lost on that deal?

When the communists seize the means of production, will they take the uber drivers cars? What about the free lancers laptops, will they take those too?

>>36434777 (checked)
>When the communists seize the means of production, will they take the uber drivers cars?
The workers themselves will have to seize the means of production. They cannot and should not be guided top-down by a party.