Why do people complain about young men opting out of western

It threatens their worldview. If not everyone has the same goals and values as them, they feel like that somehow delegitimizes it.

loser men are the backbone of the workforce

>>36160384
Women are very suggestible, so normies are terrified we'll establish a different hierarchy and they'll lose the sexual value they wageslaved their whole lives to get.

>>36160424
This.
Plus as little as we want to believe it, especially with women it feels to be threatening when there is anyone they might NOT be able to entice, even if its just by being totally avoided.

Once its only Chads as far as their eye reaches, who can they berate and feel superior about? Whats in being a dirty slut if you know noone is eating his heart about it, but still admires you?

>>36160384

Not until you stop hogging betabux and being useless in return

>>36160589

I do work a shitty job, I'm not on welfare or disability. I have money saved up from savings as well as inheritance and winning the lottery once.

>useless

What does that mean in this context?

>>36160384
because they want us wage slaving, paying taxes and paying for women and children that aren't ours
they want to treat us as nothing more than cattle
they don't like that we are cheating the system and finding joy just staying at home playing video games and jerking off to porn etc

>>36160736
> playing games and jerking off

You are such a cheater, anon. Dare I say, greatest scammer of the century?

fag

>>36160773
atleast i'm not funding a corrupt society and paying for my wifes son

>>36160808
You are still the weakest link

>>36160384
Because society doesn't want to admit it failed you. For decades society has been become progressively emasculated. The feminists screamed loud enough about masculinity being toxic until society gave in. Now that they have to look at the product of these circumstances, you, they don't want to admit it is their fault. If society hadn't allowed our boys to grow up believing women were attracted to beta male characteristics you would be like our grandparent's generation. You would see a woman you desired and pursue her like a lion pursues prey. Instead you've been brainwashed into mentally castrated cucks who are too afraid of hurting a woman to even approach one.
The leaders in society can't afford to admit this has been a failure. They have to discredit you before you speak out so they humiliate you and make you the laughing stock of humanity.
Take back what is yours. Reclaim your manhood.

>>36160839
and i'm fine with that
now go back to your endless quest to find meaning in your life normalscum

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>>36160839
>>36160808
weakest link, wife's son, cucked, boi pussy, what does any of it matter?

civilization will fall and we WILL ALL die.

>>36160384
>don't have kids
>logically no new kids to take care of old
>they hope you commit suicide
That's why. It's an SSI issue. They do have bachelor taxes all over if you pay attention.

>>36160868
>Instead you've been brainwashed into mentally castrated cucks who are too afraid of hurting a woman to even approach one.
How can i undo this brainwashing?

>>36160839
and you're a good goy dancing for scraps

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You're supposed to work to support a society that hates you, loser. The boomers who destroyed the economy need their medicare. And the women who look think you're a "creeper" or a sexless worker drone need you to pay for Chad's bastard spawn.

>>36160868

I really don't want to pursue women at this point. I just want to work my shitty job and drink coffee and shitpost and go hiking once in a while.

>>36160927

>Government fully funded my two degrees
> not expected to repay anything back
> getting into a nearly 6 figure sum job to my liking pretty soon

Anon says I'm
>Dancing for scraps

You got me real good there, anon.

>>36160951
House nigger #1 over here, PERSONALLY making massah's bed.

>>36160901
Stop giving a fuck.
Find a better paying job. If you can't, tell your manager right now that you deserve a raise
Find a woman you want, approach her for sex. If she rejects you find another. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain

>>36160934
Then you've been lost. Men don't settle for this kind of life.

>>36160895

>Shops exclusively at big box stores like Wal-Mart, destroying local small businesses
> Pushes for part-timer/temps/interns to replace full-time workers at their workplace
>Artificially inflates housing prices
>Loser millennials! Where's muh grandkids!?

Boomer scum need to die.

>>36160989
>Find a woman you want
That's the case - i have high standards and it makes me refrain from approaching girls. At the same time, i'm getting rustier because i dont approach girls.
Besides i'm 24 khv

>>36160384

They complain because it hurts their conservative views on how society should work and how individuals should live. They have trouble accepting that some people nowdays are willing to challenge and question what average humans have did in law-based societies so far. Today people question the need for breeding, competition etc. and it messes with the older generation.

>>36160981

> Depends on his monthly neetbux to even survive the night

> tells a completely independent individual he's working for a massah


KEK. When people donate to Autism Speaks, they donate for you, anon

>>36160868
>muh emasculated honor culture
>muh traditional masculine heroes

that's 95% of all fucking media. books, stories, movies, videogames. badass motherfucker gets the thing at all costs. that describes the Odyssey, the Iliad, the Fall of Troy, everything out there

the fact that you didn't either try to be a badass motherfucker, or try to educate yourself, read some goddamn, non-pinko sunflowerclub, literature and take some lesson to heart, or otherwise educate yourself so you could make some money, then in all likelihood you were jerking yourself off all day. that's not social conditioning. that's a lack of social conditioning. you're like blobs of stem cells that never had any induction, never had any drive that wasn't subverted by entertainment media.

russkie shills want to make you their useful idiot. that's all i care to say.

>>36161014
Then find an ugly bitch and fuck her. She doesnt have to be wife material, she's just practice. You'll also be doing the girl a favor. All her primal instincts tell her that when an alpha approaches her for sex she should give in and enjoy it. Become that alpha.
You'll get better and more confident every time you approach a woman.

>>36160384
someone has to pay taxes so they get their benefits, and fewer men working = lower benefits in the future

as always, normies only care about themselves

>>36160384
Nooooooo!

You stupid virgin losers are supposed to keep society awesome while we live it up YOLO style! Who's going to pay for my "free" health care? You! Who's going to marry me when I'm 35 and can't find someone to take care of my niglets? You!

>>36161082
Rising up the ranks in the concentration camp is not heroic.
Destroying it is.

>>36161101
It feels like it's too late for me to do that stuff, like i should give up on it because my train has gone. On the other hand i'm afraid of giving reign to my instincts as i might get into trouble.

>>36160989

You came in and went off on your own tangent and the conclusion didn't have much to do with my OP question.

>Men don't settle for this kind of life

Says you, some guy on 4chan.

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uh empathy?
it's pretty sad to see someone wasting their life playing video games and jerking off to cartoons

>>36161082
What we see in the media is not nearly as influential on a child's mind as what his family and educators tell him. You're thinking like a feminist.
Let's think this out anon. How does a boy watch a 2 hour Schwarzenegger movie and then go to a pussified school for 40 hours a week and get more influenced by the movie than his educators?

>>36161184
>it's pretty sad
not really, otherwise seeing prisoners would make you sad. men are more like forgotten, not seen as sad, we're not even in people's thoughts, that's how irrelevant we are.

every man who was ever on social media knows this. you never get any messages, friend requests or comments, very rarely.

>>36161134
But you're all having so much fun, here.

>>36161184
>that picture
hmmmmmmmmmm......

original original original

>>36161156
You're 24, what are they going to do? Tell on you?

>>36161164
You asked why society hates you and I told you. Also you're on 4chan you should be used to nonsensical tangents by now.

>>36161240
Hilarious. Just don't step out of line, or you'll become part of the 3% of the population who's either in jail or on parole.

When I kill myself I'm going to do it on a train line so it ruins a lot of people's day.

>>36161184
Let's be real, people don't give a shit about our lives. They just want us slaving away to pay for their child support and retirement money. Gotta keep the system they know and love going

>>36160993
>wanting to werk full time

>>36160384
A better question is why they create such selfish pressure to prevent us from killing ourselves. Our lives are full of endless suffering; it's like keeping someone who's terminally ill with a painful muscle deteriorating disease alive and on life support because you're not ready to say goodbye - only you don',t actually care about the person, just don't want to deal with the mess of them dying or guilt you may have for letting them die.

>>36160384
Lol.

There is no opt out.

At best you're the grease that coats the gears, at worst a spare part that won't see use. Nobody cares if you complain, nobody cares if you don't get laid, and nobody really cares if you wanna live a herbivore lifestyle.

Virgin loser fat guys that sit on a benefit and don't work or fuck are a drain, but they also aren't getting in the way or making extra kids. The burden you represent is one society can manage, quite easily. You may as well not even exist.

And if you work then that's all that matters. No one gives a shit if you wanna play videogames and can't get any pussy.

I know you might want to pretend this has something to do with you 'not playing' some vague game or consciously cheating the system, but it really doesn't extend any further beyond you being dead weight the world is well equipped to bear.

>>36161405
You didn't answer his question, wagie

>>36161405
This is real talk. When workers strike out, they replace the workers. We have no honor.

>>36161206
What's he going to remember? All the times he sat on his ass not giving a shit? I'll be honest, I'm not very inspired by Arnold Schwarzenegger's acting. But Sylvester Stallone with his ground beef face yelling, "Adrian, Adrian!" in the ring, and the track in the ring, those kind of memories stick with me for the rest of my life.

>You're thinking like a feminist

Why does everyone have to be so insulting?

>>36160682

>winning the lottery once

Seriously? How much did you win?

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>>36160884

Ve still vant ze money, Lebowski

I wish I could destroy this whole system/society even if I don't have anything better to replace it.

>>36160951
>getting into a nearly 6 figure sum job to my liking pretty soon
This tells me you're not currently in a salaried job, that its not 6 figures, and that there's no guarantee you'll actually have it anytime in the near future.

I'm making 100k a year off of returns on investment alone, and I never even went to university. You are definitely dancing for scraps, just because you're too stupid and cucked to hop on the table and take a bite of steak.

>>36161277
>You're 24, what are they going to do? Tell on you?
I mean i feel in a way that it's all over for me.

>>36161513
Me too, me too.
>tfw the only people who share my desire to destroy society want to replace it with something more retarded

>>36161339
the people who have it the shittiest channel it into beautiful works of art and literature. instead we're stuck cramming beethoven and stravinsky into supercomputers so they can crap out the next 40 years of pop hits and hiring nips to work 20 hour days drawing cartoon pornography disguised as children's shows.

>>36161423
I did. He thinks people are complaining about fat virgin losers, and then like a petulant child tried to twist their 'opting out' into being a good thing.

My answer is western society doesn't think or care about you, and adopting the stance that your failure is some kind of 'opt out' won't work since you never had the option in the first place. Virgin loser fat guys either work shitty jobs, or they don't exist.

>>36161277

So society hates me because I don't pursue women to date them? That sounds fucking ridiculous. And even >>36161405 and >>36161648 would agree with me.

This is probably more of an economical issue.

>>36161339
you're seriously pinning the blame for your unwillingness to off yourself on some faceless 'they', like guilt could even enter the picture

"endless suffering", don't be so fucking pathetic

>>36161538
Why? I've seen people on here that stopped being robots at 30

>>36161734
Then you're free to believe it's something else.

>>36161847
>Why?
Because i have no social skills and i'm 24. I cannot compete against other males.

>>36161847

But, see, that other guy that came in all angry has a point. "Society" does not care if we don't date women. We are seen as shadowy disposable workhorses at best. Beyond that, we mean nothing. But I already knew that.

This goes beyond the /r9k/ board, I'm curious as to why people think this way about guys like us. But the economical explanation makes more sense than anything.

No, I'm not so delusional as to believe that people hate me because I don't date women. Come on now, anon.

>>36161745
Nice assumption - I already have a helium kit I'm using once I finish pissing my money away into buying clothes for my oneitis. I went from $36,500 in my savings account to $9,000 starting at about July of last year; gradually just buying her gifts her boyfriend would never in his right mind get for her. Once my balance drops to broke I'll drive off into the outskirts and set death camp up in the middle of the woods.

I'm just pointing out how shitty it is. Nobody I know has been told my plan because I know they'd be all "OMG NU DUN DO EEET SO MUCH 2 LYVE 4 SO YUNG 27 IZ NOT OLD STILL WHOLE LIFE AHED!!!" crap. I do wish I could tell people to just give a proper goodbye and explanation, but because of how everyone will inevitably react I'm forced into a hole where I really just leave the few people who know me out of the blue. It'd probably take a month before anyone knew I was missing though.

>>36162058

OP here.

Why would you do that? I've never spent money on women ever besides buying gifts for my mom and grandmothers on their birthdays sometimes.

>>36162058
Jesus fucking Christ, wasting all that money on a mere woman, you really are retarded.

>>36160384
because chad cant marry them all so they need us to raise jamals kid

>>36161915
Then start competing

>>36161925
I wouldn't call it hate. More of ridicule and dismissal. Everyone has an instinct to make their species stronger, it's why the vast majority are attracted to fit beautiful people. If you are incapable of attracting a woman for whatever reason then you can't help society. There is no instinct in their head telling them that you're useful so they are more likely to not care about you.

>>36162146

But people don't care about men that much, even the men that do "opt in" are just not seen as that valuable compared to women. And nobody cares if I don't date women and I like it that way.

You seem to be on some sort of mission to try to convince guys to date women by going on /r9k/ and using underhanded shaming tactics. Is this how you spend your free time? Wow, and I thought I was unproductive.

>>36162058
Anon, stop spending money on her. With your remaining 9k you could get 5 prostitutes for a weekend and have one enjoyable memory before you end it.

>>36162146
>Then start competing
While having nothing to offer?

>>36162174
Doing anything on 4chan is unproductive. I don't know why you think what I'm doing is beneath you.

>>36162058
You're buying a girl gifts who has a boyfriend? You spent 20k on a girl who you're not even involved with?? What the fuck is wrong with you? How fucking brain dead can you be? Have some self respect, for God's sake. Other people's opinions of you don't determine your worth, no matter how qt they are.

>>36161405
>dead weight the world is well equipped to bear.
So what are you whining about?

>>36162058
>once I finish pissing my money away into buying clothes for my oneitis

that's convenient

>waah my oneitis
>waah people would tell me not to kill myself if i told them i planned to kill myself

get fucked

>>36162226

Well, you're trying to convince guys on /r9k/ to date women. It's just so obscure and pointless, what you are doing. Women aren't missing any of us, let me tell you that.

>>36161516

100k

> gets paid in dollars

Gtfo with that worthless currency, anon, you make me laugh

>>36161462

Yes, I did. $50,000. I still feel bad about it because I didn't win the 10 million dollar one. Or bigger.

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>>36162088
Because I want her to be happy. The gifts I fave her have more than just material value, they've helped her gain a sense of purpose and identity because she has the means to try something out she's always wanted and feels she's finally good at something. I've helped her confidence, given her something to look forward to, and helped her be popular in a community even though she's always been a loner who had a hard time making friends.

>>36162188
Don't care about sex. I spend money on her because I love her and want to give her as much happiness before I go as I can; not because I want to buy her out of her panties.

>>36162258
Caus I love her.

>>36160384
because your role as a beta is to be a workhorse slave to single mothers and women in general. Western women are so bad that the country is trying to get immigrant men to marry them instead because their men don't want them. Immigrant men are willing to risk everything in marriage to get that citizenship. The goal of everything is to get women off welfare by making men take care of them.

>>36162623

Well, as the OP, I'm not a fat guy and I don't watch anime or any of that stuff. But you fit the stereotype of a weirdo type guy who is obsessed with women. Do you have a shrine of pictures or anything like that? That's more of a 90s thing though.

It's not your responsibility to make a woman feel better about herself just because she had a hard time being social. But hey, this is /r9k/ and you're a cuck, so I'm wasting my energy saying this.

>>36160384
Because providers in general feel like they're getting duped, even high-quality alphas would rather hook up with young sluts and have no substance than chain themselves to the morally bankrupt leeching vermin women have become.

>>36162666
ywba8sjdj iehsua suebsuw ai susb

>>36160384
It's not that they really care that you're not doing anything with your life, they just hate you and try to justify it like that. Think about it - if it improves the quality of the gene pool why wouldn't it be human instinct to drive outcasts further out of society? There's never any sympathy for neets.

>>36162623
You can't love someone who doesn't love you back. You've been emotionally manipulated by her, you need to snap out of it but I doubt you will.

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>>36160384

Men who don't think they're getting a fair shake in life (whether it's socially, economically, romantically, etc.) opt out.

Men who opt out don't make money or produce goods.

Men who don't make money or produce goods don't support the system of government and culture currently in place.

A system of government and culture that isn't supported collapses.

And that scares the shit out of people.

I don't think they do complain. They just make articles so that you'll click on them and give them a fraction of a cent in advertiser money.

In reality you're dispensable. There is a line of about 5 billion people who want to take your place and society at large doesn't seem to care if they do.

>>36160839

>participating in a society that makes you pay child support to children that are not even yours.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3010327/I-went-without-electricity-days-didn-t-eat-Fury-man-forced-pay-child-support-13-years-girl-s-never-met-despite-DNA-test-proving-s-not-his.html

What if we stopped considering ourselves part of the current civilization? Start considering yourself the next stage of civilization. The children of the ancient Romans still are alive today but they are not part of the Roman civilization any more. We might be the children of this civilization but we are not part of it. We are the next step, the new men.
William
We will build a new civilization. It will be a Hegelian dialectic that takes the good from the current civilization and synthesizes it with the good from the older civilizations which inspire us.

>>36160868
do you forget that the law is on the female side? if you get accuse of a false rape your reputation gets completely destroyed,you lose your job, you get a criminal record and you get thrown in jail. feminist are using rape as a way to weaponize it against males. also who wants to pay expensive child support payments and having no authority over the family. The mother always gets custody of the child.

>>36160884
You say this like it is a bad thing.

>>36161512
man im the dude maaaaan

they pissed on my fucking rug!

>>36162690
I have a folder of her pictures, guess that counts as a shrine. She knows I have it though and sends me new pics all the time (no lewd). I don't feel it's my "responsibility" to make her happy, I just legitimately want her to be.

>>36162742
You most certainly can love someone who doesn't love you back - it's called unrequited love. Other languages have a specific word for it instead of a phrase. Anyone is wholly capable of loving without having it reciprocated; most people just break off early and move on if their crush isn't returned before it has the ability to develop into deeper feelings.

She isn't someone I occasionally chat with, or someone I superficially know through a social profile and just feel infatuated by her appearance - she's someone who trusts me more than her own boyfriend and opens up to me more than anyone else. I care about her more than anything. She's grown a lot and come a long way since I first met her, so I'm at least content with parting with leaving a positive impact on her life.

She mere fact that I selflessly want her happiness even knowing I will get nothing in return is a pretty strong indicator of my love for her.

>>36161184
even sadder when a man loses everything in divorce and commits suicide.

>>36161405
are you taking about females because I would agree but you need men because they build civilization and they can invent new inventions.

>>36163219
I should know better than to believe anything I read on this board but she is using you for clothes and money. If she trusts you more than her boyfriend why isn't she with you?

>>36162146
>Then start competing
Are you blind? He says he can't compete. I suppose you want him to give it 110% as well, while he's trying harder than his best. You normies make no sense.

>>36160384
society won't sustain itself and few have to gain from a failing society
just imagine what would happen if the currency would lose all its value

>>36164557
>few have to gain from a failing society
that's where you're wrong, kiddo

>>36160589
Betabux? only women receive money from the government, they receive so much gibs me dats that it cancels out the money they pay in taxes two times over, meaning women as a collective don't pay taxes and the taxes men pay are being used by the government to support women. The "system" is set up to be actively replacing men, cucking the entire country.

>>36162986
This is obviously the answer, we just need land. I have no doubt that Silicon Valley or Texas could secede and make something much better than the US.

>>36161184
fu

originalio

>>36164461
I can't answer why she isn't with me. Maybe there isn't enough friction between her and I - I spoil her took much and perhaps create too much if a "comfortable" environment for her Psychology is complicated; we look for things that hurt us in ways that are comfortable because we're used to it (this is where daddy issues come from).

She knows I live her, but she has been with her boyfriend 1 year before she met me, and she is moving in with him next month. She's kinda too in deep with him to drop everything for me. She isn't really having a bad time with him, she's just intimidated to open up to him more about things. She fights with him but I help then resolve it. I'm just the beta support, and I'm not really bitter about it. I just want her happy, regardless of whether it's with me or not.

Keep in mind she doesn't ask for stuff, I just get her things and she shows appreciation. I know her well enough to know what she likes.

>>36162058
Get fucked retard, and blame the world for it.
No normie,Autist,chad,stacy,human can relate this retard.

>>36165592
r u ok?? y u mad???

>>36165526
Sorry man but she's using you. Has she ever done anything nice for you or given you a gift in return. And if you say no but that's OK because you just want to make her happy that's not ok. Friendship works 2 ways

>>36160869
This literally cannot be argued against and I love it.

"You aren't helping society, you are the weakest link, etc."

"I don't give a fuck, go back to slaving away wagecuck"

>>36161184
Is sad when you see a man breaking his back everyday at work so that some woman can live a life of comfort in his house, and a few lazy idiots can get free bux off his tax dime.

That's real failure

>>36162423
The dollar comprises 70% of the worlds reserve currency. It is an incredibly strong, prolific currency. What on earth are you on about?

>>36162759
I don't like saying it but this right here.

>>36160384
Because society is run by women and what do women do when they don't know what to do? They come crying to men to help them.

>>36167635
She doesn't have a job to make money but she has done nice things for me in the form of doing piano covers for songs I like, sending me handwritten letters detailing her appreciation for me, and playing Chess with me when I'm bored. She's also defended me before when a mutual acquaintance of ours went off about me being worthless.

>>36161184
Gay nigger faggot oregano

>>36161184
>3dpd
>ever
fuck off m8

>>36161184
Thread derails are for fucking faggots, especially when the normalfags in the thread are losing the argument. Off yourself fuckin' bk.