3.5 yrs clean here. Im not trying to lecture anybody about their life, but getting clean sucked for me for about 9 months but I now have a life way better than the one drugs gave me. Its possible. I go to NA
>>24072148 >>24072177 Not him, but life isn't really that much better being clean. The reason I don't do it anymore is because I don't want to get arrested again or have my family cut off contact. If I could do drugs without running into problems or having it affect my family, I'd be shooting dope right now.
>>24072247 Be a woman older than 50 with back pain or have cancer. Not really gonna happen unless you're in medically documentable crippling pain and you've exhausted all other pain management options.
>>24072177 The way I feel, my outlook, my perspective, the way I recognize and work through my emotions, the way I relate to My past (not a pretty one), the way I treat others, the way I deal with problems that etc. I had to work for it, but Life is so much
just imagine we cracked most of the little chemical codes of the brain and but some gadget together to get fucked up in major ways but you would be housed in a nightmarish warehouse in a bubble and no going back.
would you do it ?
its not like the matrix . way shitter. you could watch movies and listen to shit but thats mostly it
>>24073758 I hate that feeling. I'm not exactly hating life, but I got into the hospital a few times for fucking my pancreas due to binge eating. That dilaudid was ridiculous. I ended up going back to the hospital and being excited even though I was in some of the worst pain in my life because of the dilaudid. Then they tried to get a feeding tube down my throat and I got trauma, I felt intense anxiety for months and went on Xanax which I still take daily because I feel better on it. I have zero desire to eat foods that might trigger something like that again. My last stint in the hospital was pure anxiety, and they took me off the dilaudid because the pain went away. I'm looking forward to the future Dr. Cary Heart was talking about where you get heroin and such from your doctor so at least you aren't killing yourself. Apparently heroin and drugs like it are effective as treatments but aren't used due to cultural reasons. Drugs are so tempting because of how strong the effect is, how easy it is to attain in comparison. I'll likely never talk to a drug dealer because that never seemed an option to me, but if I ever make enough money I'll be into weed tourism. I just hate not being high like that. Even though I know how ridiculous the risks are and that I'm going to die from my other conditions long before that, being in the hospital again for some shit and having to get surgery or strange drugs is enough of a deterrent for me to ever aim to be in the hospital again.
>>24073722 You're for sure dependent on that Xanax. Mentally and physically. A bar and a half a day isn't a small amount at all. Xanax is hands down the worst benzo to kick. If your doctor ever drops you, you're in for a hell ride that can last for a year.
In a traditional sense of a drug addict/junky you may not be one. But in reality, you are. The only difference is you get your drugs from the pharmacy legally.
>>24073166 Xanax comes on fast and hard, but lasts a fairly short amount of time. Valium is more mellow but has excellent muscle relaxing properties and lasts for a ridiculously long time.
Valium is the one most often used by doctors to ween people off benzos like Xanax. You can't just stop taking a benzo and have to be weened unless you like seizures and horrible withdrawals that last for months/years.
Either one of them is only a short term/acute treatment drug. No doctor that actually cares about their patient will prescribe a benzo for more than 2-3 months. Benzodiazepines are physically as well as mentally addicting. Tolerance to their therapeutic effects grows fast and so does the need to increase the dosage. There's also the rebound anxiety tip, where your anxiety sky rockets once they wear off creating a need for more and more of it.
Benzos are amazing drug when it comes to acute therapy. Long term therapy with them ends up fucking you 10 times worse than whatever anxiety you dealt with prior to them.
>>24075158 How do you know this? Is it common knowledge? I'm on 3mg a day 1 in the morning and 2mg at night, every 12 hours for xanaxx right now. My anxiety is way down now(it was horrible for a long time)what do you think I should do for a more long term drug? I also started wellbutrin 150mg and its been working really well for me.
I dont know about anyone else but opiates are the worst class of drug IMO and I don't see the appeal The "euphoria" you get is fake and you know in youre head that each time you get it youre killing part of your brain permanently making you more depressed Also i just dont enjoy it. I get headaches from it while it's happening Dont see the appeal Pharmaceuticals in general are bad. I cant even feel benzos either no matter what i mix it with or how much i take It might just be bias but opiate addicts too are fedora tier as shit claiming better drugs like psyches stims and weed are bad but heroin is GODLY
A lot of formulations sold today are very tough to abuse. Back when I was on Suboxone Maintenance, which blocks other opiates due to its higher opioid receptor affinity than any other opiate, Oxymorphone would actually break through and get me blitzed.
It's definitely one of the best and most addicting opiates out there. People with no tolerance need to tread carefully and research the correct dosage.
>>24075444 By that logic, any feeling you get from any drug is fake.
Opiates do not kill any part of your brain, they rewire your dopamine reward system. They stimulate receptor sites which makes them unable to produce endorphins without an opiate after prolonged use. This is reversible to a great extent. People do get clean and the longer you stay clean the more your brain reverts back to its natural self. Withdrawal from opiates is down regulation from opioid sites, forcing your body to readjust back to normal.
>I can't feel benzos therefore they're bad. Pharmaceuticals are great if used wisely. Benzos and opiates are amazing drugs on acute basis drugs. They all serve a purpose. It's people who take them and abuse them.
Psychedelics are for more fedora tier than opiates could ever hope to be.
>>24075523 A doctor won't prescribe an opiate for anxiety or depression. They're not approved for that. I've heard of one doctor prescribing Suboxone off-label for depression but if he keeps doing that he'll likely to lose his job.
There are studies going on regarding Buprenorphine's(Suboxone/Subutex) effects on depression. But no FDA approval for treatment as of today.
Opiates are easier to quit than benzos, but that doesn't mean that opiates are easy to quit. They're both a nightmare once you're addicted. It's a life long struggle for addicts with either drug.
As a general, I feel like opiates are better drugs than benzos because opiates do not cause dementia and their withdrawals are not so massively debilitating, unless we're talking about high doses of Methadone. Though, comparing a pain killer to an anxiety/epilepsy medication is dumb.
All euphoria is "fake" by that logic. Do something - get reward from chemicals. Run - get reward. Take oxy - get reward.
I like all drugs but nothing beats the high from an opiate. I love to get a nice buzz on and go about my day feeling like a fucking normal person for once in my life. I get scripted for my back which is completely fucked. Ive been putting off the surgery for a long ass time.
>>24075994 Tramadol is an interesting chemical. Tramadol is, basically, Effexor plus opiate action on a molecular level.
A lot of Tramadol's pain killing activity comes from its fairly strong SNRI action. Its opiate binding affinity is fairly weak. Though, that doesn't mean that Tramadol is bad. For a person with low opiate tolerance, Tramadol is a lot of fun.
Tramadol metabolizes into o-desmethyltramadol, which is a much more potent opiate. Some people are far efficient at metabolizing Tramadol. Those people are obviously far more fond of the drug than those who lack the enzymes to metabolize it as well. This is partly the reason why there are so many differing opinions on it.
>>24076163 >no real treatment >not therapy >not an active life >not journaling >not daily meditation Drugs are great but there's a reason they are gated behind doctors. Cause it can fuck you up. I just found out that I probably should ease off the xanax due to some research.
>on Vicodin, then Hydro, then Oxy for almost three years because huge surgeries >move to medical cannabis state >doctor is worried about liver and convinces me to try >switch to cannabis for almost 5 years >have to move to non medical state >back on opiates >just popped 3 oxy
It feels good/get rid of the pain but they also make me itch, cant sleep, twitchy, constipated, and sometimes nauseous. I miss pot.
>>24076217 I have crippling anxiety since i was about 12. I struggle to leave the house, so an active lifestyle and general treatments hard as fuck for me. I need drugs to get me to a point were that works
>>24076163 Well, honestly Anon, cognitive therapy is by far the best option. Most people just reject right out of the gate because they want to be drugged up instead.
Find a good therapist and work it. This way, you teach your brain to ignore anxiety.
I was an anxiety free person until the age of 24. Once it began, it was hell. I would get intrusive thoughts that would make me flip the fuck out and hide in my house or run out of my house to not be around anyone. I was afraid of being around people because I had legit thoughts of hurting them. I'm not like that and therefore those thoughts would drive me into insane panic attacks. It'd be as if I was in a middle of a bad acid trip, I'd run from people non-stop trying to get away. Eventually I started recognizing that a panic attack is coming on and I'd acknowledge that. Then I'd tell myself that it's a panic attack and I'm not going to plead with God to take it away, I'm just going to go through it while doing whatever it is that I was doing before it started coming on. This was the beginning of my redemption. I'd just buckle down and march on. Eventually, I started doing those steps subconsciously and now most of the time I don't have panic attacks anymore. Sometimes I get them still, though, and when I do I just go through those steps.
Doing that is only possible with a sober brain. If your brain is under the influence of a benzo, it's impossible for it to learn that. It learns to rely on the medicine instead.
>>24076534 I wasn't strong, Anon. I only came to those conclusions when I got put on Klonopin for 3 months and Lexapro concurrently.
Klonopin helped tremendously in the beginning, I honestly feel like it saved my life. It was a God sent. My doctor let me have it for 3 months. It took about a week for the Lexapro to start working. It worked great for me. I know a lot of people don't have the same experience with SSRIs.
Once I stopped taking the Klonopin I stumbled on some cheesy exert from an anxiety self help book with those steps in it.
Lexapro by itself helped a ton but I still had panic attacks and they were terrifying so I kept researching.
It's weird, but I also feel a lot better if I stay away from yeast and sugar.
>>24076698 None cunt, I had xanax about 6 years ago for panic attacks brought on by social anxiety. I did therapy etc etc. The only thing that has worked for me is an SSRI. It works and I don't have to be some new agey faggot like you. I mean your first post doesn't even mention you still used pharms.
I used pharms and I encourage anyone who actually needs pharms to use them for a proper period of time. SSRIs are good long term, benzos are good short term. There's nothing new age about what I said, it's common sense.
>>24075444 >le fake euphoria meme :^) THIS is reddit fedora tier thinking. Next thing we know you tell us you're euphoric by default. You probably think "real" happiness comes from having good relationships, having money, being loved, being passionate about things. It's way better for your health to enjoy life that way no doubt, but we don't fucking have those things, none of them, this is r9k, opiates are a last resort to finally feel a little happiness just like the rest of the people are so spare us the bullshit.
Poppy Seed Tea is very close to Opium in feel, apparently. PST is by far my favorite opiate when my tolerance is in a good place for it. This is coming from someone who has done every opiate from codeine to heroin and is a a life long opiate addict.
>>24077148 I'm saying you sound like a whiny bitch with that "hmph, r9k is my home. people here get me cus theyre all so sad. We are the fallen angels" "I cant feel happiness unless i do HEROIN my life is darkness!"
>>24077196 >being this autistic Jesus Christ, you are retarded. Now you're just being assblasted and bashing on people who do opiates for no reason even if I just explained to you that opiates are the last choice. Nobody who has a good life suddenly thinks opiates are a good idea. >"people on r9k get me cause are so sad" But that's exactly how people on r9k are, you stupid nigger. How often do you see happy people on r9k ?
>>24077196 Come on. Cheer up and enjoy being 15 you only get to live it once And who is more assblasted me or you? I just said i dont like opiates then you flipped your epic baseball cap backwards and turned this into a full fledged whining about how much you hate life and how I don't understand immediately calling me your cool go to fedora and reddit memes
No wonder why youre here Not because youre a robot, which you arent by the way, but because you probably thought youd fit in with the cool school shooter board
>>24077337 >not because you're a robot, which you aren't by the way >I am the REAL robot here, trust me I know what being a robot actually is :^) There is no fake euphoria you retard and nobody is claiming that heroin is godly. You just pulled some shit out of your ass and called some people fedoras. Might as well tell us how to get real happiness, I guess. You know better, after all.
>>24077398 Agreed My brother used to be a cool guy now I wish he would kill himself or OD already Right now he's sleeping in the room next to me sleeping. Probably going to wake up tomorrow and try to figure out how to get more money out of everyone in the family Addicts are trash period
>>24077420 Alright Im not even going to argue with you anymore because i dont care and i get the satisfaction out of knowing youre either an addict with a terrible life or a sexually frustrated edgy teen while i genuinely dont care and enjoy NEEThood Ciao loser
>>24077458 >I laugh at you losers on r9k Ciao, man. Have fun with your real euphoria and amazing life that you have that made you finally come here after spending so many years on reddit. Too bad you're still a fucking faggot.
Last year my mom tried to kill herself with morphine and muscle relaxers. My 4 year old nephew was the one that found her fucked up and shitting herself. She said afterward she wanted my dad to find her but he just left for work that morning. Everybody expected me to talk to her about it because I'm the other suicidal addict shit of the family.
>>24077613 No This proves just how cancerous you are Anyone can be a robot if they choose to be a hermit and overcome actually wanting friends or gf Which you talk about in one of your post If you come here to whine youre just an annoyance Just like you. Whining more and more. Baby need a bottle? Baby need his widdle happy pills so he can feew aw bettor? This board could be more than an echo chamber if it wasnt for your ridiculous complaints But i cant complain youve already fucked it up So go cry some more little fuckin baby
After a really fucked up surgery I got a prescription and had some left over
I've tried the strongest one with 10mg, took two and drank alcohol. It was decent but nothing too crazy and nothing I'd get addicted to. By the peak breathing was a little difficult. Ok overall but body and head affects are very mild. It's chill
Tried one and a half and it sometimes gives you a light head feeling but that's it. Somewhat similar to head high from mj but that's it.
>>24079163 Not impossible if you have a well-paying job and a modicum of self-control. It's a slippery slope though; you hear plenty of stories of perfectly well respect guys, doctors and all that shit, who throw their lives away after becoming addicted to prescription opiates.
>>24079274 How do those meth and h junkies manage to keep their addiction? I mean the homeless ones. If I could just be high all the time I wouldn't care about anything else. The junkie life seems very robotic
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