Fallout New Vegas Quest: Empire of One P 28

>>1827865
>DISCLAIMER
>I HAVE NOT PLAYED FALLOUT 4
It's fine. Nobody plays Fallout 4 for the story anyways, it's kinda shit.
Pretty much, all you need to know is that there are androids and you're the last dude from a vault and you spend all of your time building cool scrap cities and modifying all your scrap guns.

Also, The Silver Shroud is the best fucking questline in the game.

>>1827891
And Curie is the best waifu

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>>1827701
The Courier turns his attention to Wendy Gilbert. A soldier he first met in Boulder City, as a hostage of the Great Khans. When she and her squad were rescued, they discharged her for cowardice. Her home had always been Boulder City, where generations of Gibert's lived since the Great War. One day, she intends to return to there again with her son, when the Legion are gone.

For now, she enjoys her new home. Certainly better than the shack she had, she's adjusted well to being a mother, cleaning cooking and clothing for her son Richard, who dreams of being a soldier like his mum.

A shiny clean home of old world appliances and comforts. Soft, smooth, and dull.

She needs a break from a break. The reason she joined you in the first place was in search of an adventure. And so an adventure is exactly what you treat her too.

You ask her if she's ever gone flying. She hasn't. Then today's her lucky day.

You tell her to get changed, on the spot, because we're going somewhere. Richard is with his aunt, the house is fine, lets go. Soon enough she's soaring through the air on your UFO (which in your spare time you figured out to have two seats), her heart pounding at the speed and height, gripping you for dear life while you laugh. Eventually she calms down enough, and you show her what the world looks like from the air.

"Pick a spot" you say, "any spot. And we'll land there."

You take her to the tops of cliffs overlooking the grand canyon. Playfully searching through curious old world buildings for interesting items. Hunting wild critters that you skin and roast on an open flame.

You filled your day with new sights and wonders, all the while chatting and getting to know her more.

By nightfall the moon is up, and you take her to the clouds. The UFO hovers, quietly, watching the stars as you eat deliciously seasoned Bighorner Jerky and baked potato's and sipping on ancient old world wines. Candles in an aircraft aren't the best idea, so instead you bring a little Light Switch 02 lamp that bathes the interior of the cockpit in a pinkish hue.

Both of you are full, more than a little drunk, and tired from the days activities.

But not too tired.

The stars and moon begin to fade away as you stare into each others eyes. You are so close you can feel the warmth of each others breathe and hear your beating hearts, and as you smell the wine still fresh on each others lips, soon you find your eyes shut as you taste them.

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The night is long and sweet.

Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>1827932
Two bodies tangled in each others embrace, skin touching skin underneath clothes used as blankets, as the UFO finds shady spot for you to sleep through the day what you were to busy to do overnight.

Unopened small plastic packages lie undisturbed in your backpack.

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>>1827936
>>1827932

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You manage to be conscious enough to open the door to the UFO, as several (dozen) empty bottles clink and clank to the ground. Wrapped in a blanket, you drop off Wendy at your palace in her bed, giving her a kiss as she moans and returns it sluggishly in half-slumber/half-consciousness, before taking a five minute shower on ice cold.

You're hungover.

You're tired.

And you're late.

You are a 6ft meat monster of a man who can fight down whole squads single handedly. The only thing that manages to ever fatigue you is, well, you. Usually when push yourself to have someone close, warm, and screaming your name.

It didn't help that you constantly wrack your brains every waking moment on the next path or step or dilemma from your nation. In between the failure of the satellite, having to hide the modifications to diana and your surgeries, and the ever present thought of what the NCR, MLA, BOS and Legion are doing if you were a lesser man your hair would be white with stress. Poor Gilbert will be walking funny after you relieved much of it on her.

As you shuffle into your presidential outfit as fast as you can, you already look out to see the town empty. That can only mean one thing. Everyone is waiting for you.

You rush and make your way to the crowd. securitrons meet up with you and shout. to part way as the band plays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1wXEEQBHeQ

The music feels like a jackhammer on your cranium. You really need to figure out a better way to get drunk past your endurance thershold than downing a gallon of booze.

You do manage to make a rousing, if brief, speech celebrating the newest addition to the Automated Robot Factory - Large Assembly and Maintenance Garage. Here new vehicles will be built and maintained providing you the avenue to build a sizeable force of machines.

You thank the scientists and engineers for their efforts, praise everyone and say how proud you are in contributing to this ever growing nation, the usual thing.

The ribon is cut. The ticker tape falls and everyone cheers as the assembly lines come to life.

You can't get away fast enough as you make your way back to the Sink, before dropping your clothes and flopping face forward into bed.

As you lie there unclothed, your chiseled twin-rear cushions bare to the world, Unity looks down upon you and smiles, as she pulls the covers over your body as you take a much needed rest.

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>Mr New Vegas
"Howdy folks, it's Mr. New Vegas coming in live from the Phoenix Commonwealth, and I have a good feeling about all of you listening.

What do you do when you find everything you've ever loved and known gone? When when you wake up and that path of shiny gold in your hopes and dreams melts away?

Well folks, we've got a special treat for you today. Back from his Cyrogenic Slumber, here's Old World musician Jonathan Atley reminding us that sometimes you have to say Goodbye Yellow Brick Road."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqybKQmEexE

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STATS HERE

>BIG MT
https://pastebin.com/jAXYFRB1

>THE NURSERY
https://pastebin.com/ic3ac1xL

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The Zax reports we are nearly finished with the construction Corps. All that is needed are some new vehicles and to build the Corps HQ and we will have doubled our constructive capabilities.

4 Action Cap.

Available Actions: Civilian, Construction, Military, Research, ZAX, Hero
+Robotic Research does not count toward cap.
+Biological Research does not count toward cap
>>>>>Turn: 117

>>1828072
>Hero.
I dunno.
>Civ.
Build and install glass windows.
>Construction.
Get that 2nd construction action.
>Military.
Keep doing what they are doing.
>Zax.
Get that construction action.
>Robot research.
Better skeleton bots, make them a mix between the cheap B1 battle droids and the more tactical BX commando droids.
>Biological research.
I dunno.
>Passive construction.
Skeleton bots.

QM can you tell me how much of the Divide steel we've collected?

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>>1828124
Not even 5%. There's so much debris here we would actually be fucked if our goal was to clean this place up instead of use it.

>>1827865
>hero
second date

>civ
Build the construction HQ

>construct-
Build the construction HQ

>military
purge the radiation hot spot in the north east of it's beasts.

>robot research
BX comando droid analogues

>ZAX research-
Tunneler that leaves a tunnel

>Biological research
General purpose immunizations, for as many diseases as possible

passive build- vehicles for second action

>>1828134
Oh.
Oh that's very good for me.

>>1828148
Its our own little boneyard. Skyscrapers and office buildings have good steel in them.

>>1828139
This has my cannon fodder bots, supporting.

Updated pastebin of tasks
https://pastebin.com/GMfdS7Z3

>>1828139
Amending:

>HERO
- second date
- inspect the GECK factory at the Nursery
- Assist with Telsa cool research

>CIV
Finish off our education / currency overhaul

>CONSTRUCTION
>ZAX
Build the construction HQ

>MILITARY
Finish purging the radiation hot spot in the north east of the Divide of it's beasts and investigate the remains

>ROBO RESEARCH
Sub-tunneller, ability to create lasting tunnels

>BIOLOGICAL RESEARCH
General purpose immunizations, for as many diseases as possible

>passive build
vehicles for second action

>>1828134
Qm did our revote for hub glass make it?

>>1828255
Yes. They are currently waiting for an opportune time when their converts who are skilled are not super busy with government projects.

>>1828250
Ill support this then

>>1828287
But BX commandos!

>>1828250
We don't need zax research for the construction HQ. It's not inventing or discovering anything.

>>1828299
This is true.

>>1828250
SPI was also complaining about not getting any actions. Perhaps let him have the zax research?

>HERO
- second date
- inspect the GECK factory at the Nursery
- Assist with Telsa cool research

>CIV
Finish off our education / currency overhaul

>CONSTRUCTION
Build the construction HQ

>ZAX
Give the action to SPI, come up with something helpful for spying.

>MILITARY
Finish purging the radiation hot spot in the north east of the Divide of it's beasts and investigate the remains

>ROBO RESEARCH
Sub-tunneller, ability to create lasting tunnels

>BIOLOGICAL RESEARCH
General purpose immunizations, for as many diseases as possible

>passive build
vehicles for second action

>>1828332
fine. support this.

>>1828293
We'll get the commando droids up next time. It's not like we'll be making them soon, with our focus on getting the next construction action.

>>1828332
Ill support this.

>>1828334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXEVs32KHuo
At least we're getting the tunnelers.

>>1828332
Supporting

>>1828332
Roll me 3 1d100s!

Rolled 70 (1d100)

>>1828363

Rolled 91 (1d100)

>>1828363

Rolled 16 (1d100)

>>1828363

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>>1828332
>>1828369
>BIOLOGICAL RESEARCH
General purpose immunizations, for as many diseases as possible

>Diana
"I have them. All of them, at least, all the Old World ones. Smallpox, bubonic plague, malaria, lleprosy.

Also one for the New Plague too.

Only thing I don't have is anything new that's developed since the war. Such as Seltsan Syndrome. I only ever heard of it when the Twin Mothers were still a tribe, but I couldn't get a sample to work on."

Wow that was easy.

You show your followers the samples of the various disease vaccines and cures.

>Julia Farkas
"This is a miracle! Do you have any idea how valuable this discovery is?"

Even Arcade seems very impressed.

>Auto-Doc
*whistles* "Thats a pretty thorough archive. I don't think even mine matches that."

>>1828395
gotta get that herd immunity up, brah.

>>1828395
I thought that said 'Arcade' had his own archive.

>>1828414
Arcade has a secret archive of books not suitable for children and general audiences. He doesn't know you know he has them.

>>1828414
Oh, yeah, I read that as arcade too, and was kinda confused, but just went with it.

>>1828421
you mean Porn?

>>1828449
Please, he's classy. It's /erotica/

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>>1828332
>- inspect the GECK factory at the Nursery
The GECK factory is old and experience rust plus some nuclear waste leaks. There's radiation about.

This is going to be exceedingly difficult with just you and not even any Reavers.You wonder if you should break them in too

Thankfully you do have the teleporter but even then the amount of personell and tools you can bring is limited. Your robots and infrastructure is very far away.

Though it is doable with yourself and some humans and repairbots who go through the portal it would take a very long time. Would be shorter if the Reavers were on your side, but they'renot.

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You stare at the briefcase for a good while.

A Garden of Eden Creation Kit. Well, the csing for it.

This is the Holy Grail. This is Excalibur. Caesar and Kimball would have sent an army for just one of these.

Of course, as Diana mentioned, this is not a Vault-Tec model. from what you heard of the legends, the Vault-Tec Gecks, like the ones used to build Vault City or the ones mentioned by the New Canaanites to build New Jerusalem contained a vast variety of information, seeds, limited replicator for various tools and equipment.

Truth be told Vault City and anywhere else where GECK's were used and the settlements survive already have that.

No, the real glory of the GECK is here and diluted. Its matter-energy replicator.

If the Vault City records are true ( and they match up to the New Canaanites description of what happens)

It uses a Beryllium Core and a special method to collapse surrounding matter in a radius around itself, drawing in all things into a destructive blue ball of energy. Dirt, rocks, metal, flesh, radiation, even air and gas. In the immediate area, nests of mutated creatures and plant life are vaporized, purifying the wasteland.

Faster than the human mind is able to comprehend, matter collapses into a microscopic black hole and then explodes in a bright fury brighter than the sun brighter than anything you can imagine. Like a nuclear blast, only without the heat and shockwaves.

Then,once the brightness subsides, what is left behind is a lake of water, black fertile soil saturated in nutrients and minerals, and clean air in a big radius around itself. This will grow over with grass shrubs and trees soon enough, which can be planted over by crops.

The Greenway Hydroponics model seems to have been made purely with the intent of purifying and making the wasteland green rather than Vault Tec's civilization building. But these are still hugely valuable.

If only you had Beryllium

>>1828488
Meta knowledge but could't we go get the Beryllium core from the one place and use its RnD Spec's to...make more?

>>1828509
We can actually make more Beryllium from energy although that would take A LOT of energy.
Good thing we've only salvaged 5% of the Divide and have attained the 2nd construction action, now we can build a bunch of power plants.

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>>1828332
>>ROBO RESEARCH
>Sub-tunneller, ability to create lasting tunnels
A special kind of Tunneler is currently under development. One which has the capability to lay solid, usable.

This won't exactly be a single robot so much as a series of robots, built like a train. One goes forward to dig the tunnel, another in the middle smooths and sprays the wall with quick drying Hexcrete and steel support beams, and the last train serves to both move the dirt to a conveyor belt OR a series of dirt moving robots, as well as accept new shipments of either hexcrete or steel beams.

The "Tunneler Train" is being worked on which promises to create safe tunnel lanes from which robots and even vehicles can move through.

Progress is done well enough, though SPI is mostly using up the ZAX so it will take a bit more time.

>>1828615
Dammit i posted Rocky lockridge too early.

>>1828615
Wamp wamp.

Though I feel as if the train is too vulnerable for use in a military action.
So I think next turn military action should be an infiltration and sabotage attempt using the current tunneler, so we get the cold fusion now.

>>1828528
Apparently even nursery has enough power to do it though it will still take over a year.

>>1828488
How limited are the transport capacities of the portal?


I vote for memory alteration and putting control chips on the reavers. Analyze and research their augments while we're at it.

>>1828663
>I vote for memory alteration and putting control chips on the reavers. Analyze and research their augments while we're at it.
Ditto

>>1828660
>Though I feel as if the train is too vulnerable for use in a military action.
How expensive would it be to make subterranean train connections to our villages? This is mostly to hide troop and material movement (armies where you dont expect, underground buildings you dont know are being built and so on. We could even go full Umbrella Corp. without the NCR drones on our borders being any smarter.

>>1828663
>I vote for memory alteration and putting control chips on the reavers. Analyze and research their augments while we're at it.
Supporting

>>1828917
>>1828989
>>1828663
Also, let us not give them any weapons, any means to contact the outside and no desire to rebell. They will basically be good little repairmen. Until we need them for something else.

>>1829025
Obviously? That's the point of memory changing and control chips.

Also they are very very experienced. Basically top companion tier quality.


Seeing how these were their best soldiers, we should look into their memories to learn the secrets of their organization.

>>1829086
We don't havr to chip them. They worship diana as a god and we're not tthat dufferent. If we isolate them from the brotherhood and work on them normally, we should be able to sway them to. Our side naturally.

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oh hey, i see you guys like tunnels.

we like tunnels too! and we can be controlled using simple interface technology by wiring a circuit to our brain!

https://youtu.be/_i-_1QdY2Zc

>>1829089
um. probably not. we did sort of betray them in cold blood and convince their religious order that they had died. the first thing they are liable to do upon waking up is try to kill us. the second is to escape back to the brotherhood with tales of our enslaving helpless machine spirits with our devil tech.

I get that mind control is squicky as hell, and that between dianna and the lobotomites were racking up neg karma, but letting them wake up normally is a recipe for disaster.

>>1829095
Well there is no reason to enslave them. Thry arent companions, they are more on par with elite rangers.

And when people find out about it, it will break apart our country. You think anyone will trust us if we start brainwashing anyone we don't like? We can't exactly claim our nation is founded on individuality while rewriting people's thoughts. People will never trust us again.

>>1829095
And we don't have to wake them up at all. Go through their memories, then kill them and take theit implants.

>>1829099
anon, I hate to break it to you, but weve passed that point and kept on running.

there us already a growing idea to grant "brain rights". how do you think those brains will react when what we did to Dianna gets out? it will be a HUGE scandal. especially among those who silently disagree with the lobotomites and other mad science BS.

Id be surprised if we didnt have a civil war arc as a result.

BUT, we pretty much have all the tech necessary for biological immortality on hand as a result of our efforts.

to say nothing of using microportal nodes to transfer Brain signals from anywhere to a convenient flash cloned lobotomite drone body.

or using said microportal as a self regulating telemetry beacon for larger teleporters which would effectively grant then infinite range.

>>1829099
>>1829104
So you say kill them when we could get extra skilled labor? No go. Chip them and put them to work on the GECK factory or fortifying the place or whatever. Dont just throw them away.

But definitely scan their brains for any and all data.

>>1829095
Also absolutely true.

>>1829114
>or using said microportal as a self regulating telemetry beacon for larger teleporters which would effectively grant then infinite range.
This is an excellent point. If we outfit ourself with this, we can effectively call down an army anywhere anytime. Not to mention the use for long-distance travel and logistics. Very good thinking.

>>1829114
Then why would we go further down this route? The more people we try brainwashing, the more likely things will go wrong. Civil war doesnt have to be inevitable, and doing chipping brings us down that path.

How can you. Alim this is the best option when it makes everything we worked fall apart.

>>1829116
Again, massive lost of trust. Arcade and a bunch of people who disagree with him will leave. We would gain 5 and lose dozens. That is not efficient at all.

>>1829126
*agree with him

>>1829089
We absolutely have to chip them. We can't fucking take any risks no matter how minuscule that BoS will learn of our betrayal.

In fact, why haven't we expanded James Bond's surveillance operations to the nursery and facilities?

>>1829130
Then kill them. After taking their memories. You act like there is no other choice.

Well, fuck it then. Let's keep them in the freezer indefinitely.
We either go all the way with reavers by making them brainwashed and chip controlled or we don't bother at all.
No half measures.

>>1829123
>>1829126
to be completely clear, I dont support chipping them.

what I DO support is creating an accelerated virtual learning environment for their clones where we replicate an altered version of their life history skewed to produce individuals with their skills and abilities. then after studying their implants we can replicate them (or improved versions) in the clones.

https://youtu.be/rGCaACqy1Ro

>>1829135
That just goes into the whole clone wars argument of last thread. Of making clones with implanted memories to ensure loyalty.

>>1828663
Vote
No chipping

>>1829135
Assuming we get that tech. We can't do it...... Or can we?
If we make a clone and copy their modified memories, would that solve clone brain death issue? I think that warrants neuro/bio research. Heck through in robotics research in the mix too, because we might need to cybernize the brains for them to work.

>>1829142
Its not worth the heat we will get from our people. Cloning brains eith modified memories eon't fly with arcade and those who agree eith him. Just extract their memories and extract their implants, killing them after.

>>1829142
we understand memory formation. even todays doctors can use specific wavelengths of light to stimulate neural growth patterns.

hell if we wanted to we could probably go full Appleseed and create bioroids.

as an aside, why havent we weaponized teleportation tech into a scrambler gun?

>>1829146
Didn't the bioroids get hijacked and start killing people and destroying the government? I don't think we shoukd risk it.

>>1829147
no, bioroids stayed true to their purpose of protecting humanity. the all knowing AI gaia went berserk trying to combat humanities inevitable extinction due to human nature and believed a "near extinction" or bioroid succession was preferable to total extinction.

bioroids said "fuck that" and believed in humanity.

so what are some ways we can get intel on the NCR?

>>1829161
We infiltrate a militery base somewhere, plug in a dongle that lets spi and james access their military network and see if we start hacking some classified files.

>>1829142
As was discussed earlier, we could train a few brains in combat and clone them replacement bodies. When the body goes kaput we give it a new one. Super experienced commandos for black ops missions where we can blow up the evidence (C4 in the torso/head) and still keep the info as well as the soldier. Seems pretty nifty, eh?

>>1829135
Suits me just fine. Lets make clones.

>>1829130
Absolutely right.

>>1829131
And you act like there is only one. The sensible option is chipping. We benefit from their experience (we datamine them too) and when someone gets pissy we go 100 speech them. You could convince the Legate to run away from battle and you cant convince a few followers in the merits of using people? Even after all we have achieved with this? Not likely.

>>1829184
On this point, could we not just plug her into a civilian center as well? Get her to seed viruses into the system, disrupt factories and infrastructure. Something subtle (like the Iranian nuclear rotors, wasnt even discovered until waaaay after the effect).

Also, how good would our SPI fare against the NCR research AI at counter hacking? Have her slow it down or maybe even convert/control it?

Morning

>>1828663
>I vote for memory alteration and putting control chips on the reavers

>>1828663
>>1828917
>>1829025
>>1829140
Hmmm.

Humans are not like AI and these are not machines, so there's going to be some necessary adjustments to what you suggest.

Stand by.

>>1829211
Don't let a vlte like that happen on the dead of night. Not a good represesntation of what anon's want

>>1829206
This is what I was referring to:

Stuxnet specifically targets programmable logic controllers (PLCs), which allow the automation of electromechanical processes such as those used to control machinery on factory assembly lines, amusement rides, or centrifuges for separating nuclear material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

>>1829217
Just because you think this is a big issue doesnt actually make it one. It was voted, QM is writing, lets move this along.

>>1829202
You can't 100 speech something that is an immutable belief. You can't 100 speach arcade into signing on with cesear, and you can't 100 speech him and his people into accepting brainwashing people. You convince the legate to leave for strategic reasons. That is different from "your moral position is wrong"

If we could just 100 speech everything, we wouldn't need to chip anyone.

>>1829222
There are a bunch of people who aren't here who usually are because its early. Letting this pass is plain subversive.

>>1829223
You missed the point. If we show him the advantages of this and apply some smoooooth charisma, we can convince him that this is for the greater good. Just like we did with the 40 or so brain experimentation subjects. And we wouldnt even be torturing these guys.

>>1829233
We can do that for the reavers then too. Some smoooth charisma.

And tthat was dissecting psychopaths, which is a very differnt thing from braineashing people who disagree with us. Arcade, cass, veronica, and a bunch of our other people won't tolerate it. Probably even Unity. You are losing dozens of loyal followers for 5 soldiers.

No one trusts the government that braineashes people it doesn't like.

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>>1829217
>>1829222
Its exceedingly rare for you guys to vote without me calling for something. I gotta respect that.

Like, if you guys actually vote for things on your own that tells me pretty clearly what most of you want.

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If you do NOT want to mind surgery the reavers, then you better vote no here.

I'll give it some time too.

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>>1829211
>>1828663
>You
You realize that since these are humans and not machines, and you lack a boon, something as simple as Diana's isn't feasible.

For one, you can't alter their free will. Not completely at least. You'd have to turn them into robots for that, like robobrains. There is a work around around this that makes it possible.

First, you'll need to alter their memories in such a way to make a credible story. Otherwise they might feel that something is wrong.

CHOOSE
>Make them think they are a squad of Reavers serving you and the BoS on an ultra secret mission whose goal is to use this facility for the BoS. You are a Paladin after all
>Make them believe they are outcasts, heretics, branded traitors by the BoS and the Reavers. You convinced them to live and service you, a fellow outcast, who hates the MLA too but is also a heretic.
>Other?
This is actually a place where you guys might jsut come up with something better than the Courier!

OR
Robobrain them for complete Control. Unfortunately this isn't possible wih the space inside the human skull (yet - more research is needed). Choices are:
-Take their head off. We can freeze it for later. Put a robobrain jar on their neck. Work out any kinks
-Have them wear a robobrain jar on their back
-Find a robobrain. Have wires connected to their empty skull to the machine (the normal lobotomite/tesla coil process doesn't yet allow for robo-brainification. But might after some more tesla coil research). You can replace the robobrain with a sturdier TACT later

The good part about this is their religion is all about becomming one with the machine, so maybe you can twist that to your advantage.

>>1829236
I think you will agree here that convincing someone who likes you to do something is far easier than convincing someone who hates you. Do you agree?

And we did the 40 in because we needed advances in tech. Now we will chip, not murder or kill or anything, these peeps so they can live their nice life here with us without fucking us.

And why the heck are you so Orwellian??

>>1829236
This anon brings up a good point.

>>1829240
If you go this route, you wll obviously have to hide these guys away from their sight if they ever visit the Nursery.

Or come up with a compelling lie which might not be too hard.

>>1829240
No.

And it happened in the dead of night, america time, on a weekday , it does not represent what most people want in any capacity.

>>1829240
>Make them believe they are outcasts, heretics, branded traitors by the BoS and the Reavers. You convinced them to live and service you, a fellow outcast, who hates the MLA too but is also a heretic.
And if we stick a jar on their head, will they still know everything that the reavers knew? Will any info be lost?

If not, pickle em on the top.

>>1829248
>will they still know everything that the reavers knew
Theres no memory loss

>>1829241
I'm orwellian? You are advocating literal brainwashing, programming loyalty to the state.

They would be living a lie and wouldn't be killing people if they were dead.

Im saying take their memories and implants out, and kill them.

>>1829244
>If you go this route, you wll obviously have to hide these guys away from their sight if they ever visit the Nursery.
We tell those that ask they were hostiles with an aptitude for tech and we wanted to use them. Jar em and say we took control so as not to waste knowledge. Literally the same thing we did with the legionnaires for the ZAX. But we dont go showing them off. They repair stuff in the background.

>>1829247
Again, just because you dont want it....

>>1829255
So admit to brainwashing? That would go over soo well.

And just because you do want it...

>>1829251
Then go with >>1829255


>>1829252
And I dont mean for them to go to the front lines. I want them to get to repairing the GECK factory because they seemed pretty good at repairing other crap in the Nursery.

>>1829257
Loyal to your citizens and harsh to your enemies. I dont understand what is so hard about this. Also, you havent adressed the ZAX point. Should we scrap those brains too because it is amoral to you?

>>1829258
We can bring in bots to repair shot. The reavers are redundant in all forms. There is no point in chipping them if we just extract their memories for the intel.

>>1829262
Those guys plus us repaired basically the whole nursery in a month. That is free labor youd be throwing away. If the place is repaired and we have all we need form their minds we can dump them ok. Currently they can be of use. We can also learn about their implants and the implant-brain connection from them. Not to mention if we need test subjects we have 5 volunteers.

Basically, lets not discard them, lets use them.

NO
>>1829247
1 vote

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Off with their heads. Jar the brains.
>>1829255
1 for this

>>1829240
>If you do NOT want to mind surgery the reavers, then you better vote no here.
I vote for studying their implants and killing them.

They are just a liability at this stage, a chink in our story, a potential future threat.

>>1829282
You have a point but I dont want to throw away resources. God knows we need more actions.

>>1828332
>>CIV
>Finish off our education / currency overhaul
>>HERO
>- Assist with Telsa cool research

You decide to kill two birds with one bullet. You can complete both the Tesla Coil research and the Education Overhaul systems in one by developing appropriate learning implants which work with the new Tesla Coil system.

>con't

>>1829290
So we could passively educate every debrained citizen? On any subject? Would this include manual skills?

>>1829240
>make them think they are heretics

>>1829240
Make them believe that they are heretics.

We can still put control chips into them, right?

>>1829342
Not if they are left human.

>>1829244
>Or come up with a compelling lie which might not be too hard.

What's so hard about this? Just tell the same story to others. We found these guys who fled BoS because they are branded heretics for going against the norm and we took them in.

But still, we should keep interactions to minimum for at least half of a year for the behavior chip to settle in.

>>1829247
>America is the only country which matters
it's true though

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What is it about humanity.

Why does a world without law bring out the very limits of mankind's cruelty.

The Legion are "raiders" but even they have a code. If they torture, its for military information or as a punishment for a heinous crime. If they rape, its as a weapon of war or to break in slavesBut even they have rules, standards. "Do not children before they are of age" "Torture is a tool, not entertainment" "slaves are valuable, do not waste them"

Raiders have no standards. Many are in it battle glory, to rule territory and own fiefdoms, to band together and form a gang and survive the harsh wasteland. But ever among them are those who do not care for such things, whose minds are so twisted and vile, their only love and joy in this world is to torture and mutilate purely for their sake.

You almost want to say even the Legion lands are better than the lawless waste. No, you can't lie to yourself, they are. Because even they try to stamp out this sort of shit.

Raider lairs can be the most revolting places you ever step into, and you've seen more shit than most. A house of waxed human corpses dressed in clothes like mannequins. Sculptures the height of houses made entirely of stitched human remains. A "Doll House" filled soley with preserved children neatly arranged in tiny outfits.

It sickens you to your core. Not even the consolation that removing these "people" or that they will contribute to a better future can really wipe away some of the sights you've seen.

Where you can, you lay down explosives try to at least blast away the memory of these horrid places from the earth.

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Interestingly, you form a small legend among the local villages and tribes. A mysterious power armored man going around and hunting down the worst of the worst and blowing up their lairs, traveling on a flying machine. You of course, try to remain incognito when you can. You're only just a Courier after all.

>>1829268
Jar the brains, rip apart their bodies for the augments (we still need to research them) and keep them sedated / unconscious.


We can decide what to do with them later but for now, I want those augments. We can use their clearly high quality brains for another ZAX when the time comes for that if nothing else.

>>1829389
>Interestingly, you form a small legend among the local villages and tribes. A mysterious power armored man going around and hunting down the worst of the worst and blowing up their lairs, traveling on a flying machine. You of course, try to remain incognito when you can. You're only just a Courier after all.

All the better for when we finally make our appearance, set up a teleporter and bring about a technocratic revolution to whom ever agrees to bend knee first.

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>>1829389
The Portalized-Tesla Coil research is going to be even more messier than before. You realize this before even beggining.

You're probably not going to get a lot of Lobotmites out of this one.

If it isn't people's brains being accidentally sucked back into their skull through a tiny hole, stuffing them with both tesla coil and grey matter causing them to explode, its the opposite. Their head caves in and is vacuumed into a pile of red gore in a jar.

Its actually more disturbing than the previous research. Thankfully, the scientists you employ are amoral enough to jot down the observation and carry on.

And finally, you get it right.

You devise a new system of Tesla Coil which transmits data safely through a miniature portal-like system to the Brain in the Jar. With numerous fail-safes and counter measures to prevent catastrophic Brain-sucked-in-portal-itis. This signal cannot be blocked by any means, but should ever the portal fail, a backup Tesla Coil will revert back to the conventional Tesla Signal. Should both fail, the person will go into an unconscious sleeping state just as what happens when you cross into the Radar Fence as normal.

Simultaneous to this you also investigate the learning centers of the brain and how to improve them for your next project.

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>>1829413
You make huge strides and breakthroughs in the VR simulation program with the new information on brain research.

Previously, as with your medical training program, users might feel a bit detached. There is little to no sensation, you are simply a visual body manipulating visual objects. With the new brain mapping, you make something far far more effective than that.

Your first test is a simulation of the Mojave, something familiar to you. It blows your mind away.

You feel the heat of the sun on your skin, and your body starts to sweat. You pick up sand and feel it course in your hand, and pluck some nearby fruit as you eat it. It tastes sweet, you feel full.

Everything is so realistic, that had there been more to this landscape you could imagine it were real. You swim through rivers, take apart and put a gun back together again, feeling the recoil in your shoulder as it fires. Things feel heavy and light, you have limits here just as in the real world.

You even play with a virtual dog for a while.

At last the simulation ends. Real time has passed, and the VR pod / Auto-Doc combo has handled your bodily needs. It made you thirsty, and so you drank from a pipe in your mouth a you drank in the simulation, and it handled your bodily needs. You consider the use of cryostasis instead of body maintenance as an alternative method which might also avoid atrophy for long term useage.

>VR Simulation Technology has improved!

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>>1829433
Combining the Cryotechnology given by Diana and your new VR programming, you and the Followers of the Apocalypse develop the twin VR Education system.

Users in groups or in individuals will enter VR pods to learn specific skills and information. Once they have accomplished this, a final check will be performed in a Real-World-Simulator room to make sure the muscle memory gained in VR Pod translates into reality.

The good news is that in this system you are also still able to talk to your brain, something you weren't able to do before!

Now every learning program can be tailor made for each individual with the help of their own mind.

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[X] - The neurological sciences should be advanced. Work with the Brains on developing and understanding models of human brain interface. How to improve intelligence via augmentation more reliably, applying individual learning styles based on brain knowledge, understanding how to improve memory and learning adaptation. Everyone can be tailor made to learn.

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The old school will need to be expanded to include these new rooms, and this is currently underway.

>>1829440
What other tasks are left?

>>1829444
[ ] - Secure Brain storage facility should be built with naught but the highest standards.
[ ] - Most people should be debrained, or at least, anyone who wishes to remain competitive/productive. This may naturally happen as people see the merits of debrainification
[ ] - Schooling and Education systems should be advanced on several front: VR classes especially, with more advanced simulation computers (Will be finished with the school upgrade)

>>1829447
>[ ] - Secure Brain storage facility should be built with naught but the highest standards.
Not too hard to do, could probably knock it out in a turn or two at most depending on how much of a surplus of space we want for future brains.

>[ ] - Most people should be debrained, or at least, anyone who wishes to remain competitive/productive. This may naturally happen as people see the merits of debrainification
We should probably mention the simple advantages of it like reduced chance of chem addiction and shit.

>[ ] - Schooling and Education systems should be advanced on several front: VR classes especially, with more advanced simulation computers (Will be finished with the school upgrade)
We can knock that outta the park too in a turn or so at most.

>>1829455
Supporting

>>1829240
Can we make them think they were/are our sleeper agents?

Their time in the brotherhood has come to an end and we are reactivating them to serve the Phoenix commonwealth again?

>>1829447
how far away from brains remote controlling lobotomite bodies are we?

not very far at all I imagine.

we should also work on a net terminal interface for the Embodied to allow them a similar experience as the Brains.

my opinion is that the Brain storage should be a full Vault level structure with perhaps an orbital backup.

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>>1828332
>ZAX
>Give the action to SPI, come up with something helpful for spying.
SPI spends a considerable amount of fissile material to create a Legendary Assaultron Dominator.

This one can only be piloted by a low level AI or for best results a high level one like the SPI herself.

This one comes with a Wattz Electronics "General Townes" Model Military Compact Laser cannon embedded in its head with overcharge capability, and twin titanium chain-swords for arms which can also be reverted into regular hands as needed.

When destroyed it self destructs in a mini-nuke blast.

The SPI speaks to you from inside the body.
"Mhmm, yess that's so much better. Let's go have some fun dearie!

Keep giving me more of these actions and work on the tunneler, baby, I've got loads more plans."

>+1 Legendary SPI-Constrolled Assaultron Dominator

>>1829465
Wow, that's actually a pretty good idea.

>>1829469
>how far away from brains remote controlling lobotomite bodies are we?
If you mean giving a disembodied brain a body to live in this will only ever be possible with surgery.

>>1829477
I'm unsure conflicted on the fact I'm alright with unity being fucked into a proper woman but this robot that's female having a male spy ai in it calling us baby

>>1829482
SPI is female

>>1829465
That is possible but the problem becomes making them believe it and in such a way as that they'll not question it or encounter things contrary to those memories.

Plus we kinda want to rip their bodies apart for the augments and such to study.

>>1829469
>we should also work on a net terminal interface for the Embodied to allow them a similar experience as the Brains.
Something like that would be nice. I can think of a few different interpretations and methods of doing so.

>my opinion is that the Brain storage should be a full Vault level structure with perhaps an orbital backup.
Wat? Storing brains in orbit?

Also a Vault is quite a large thing to start with. I'd advise creating something smaller, more modular and expandable.

>>1829482
SPI is "female".

>>1829486
>>1829487
Am I getting our Ais mixed up?

>>1829487
I think we may have different goals here anon. I don't want to cut them up and take a look at their Augments, at least not yet.

I want to use them to help restore the geck factory.

>>1829499
SPI is the only 'female' while the rest are male, from the ZAX.

James Bond is our spy ai.

we also have a desperate need for more good karma.

I say we have Dianna begin putting together "aid packages" for communities in the northern wastelands. if we remove some of the desperation of their situation lawlessness will begin to decrease.

opinions in the region will also shift in our favor hopefully paving the way for evebtual annexation.

plus it might soften fiture backlash against our scoence if we can point to true humanitarian good that came from it.

it would probably require expanding the teleportation network, but thats a good idea anyway

>>1829514
Ill support something like that

>>1829502
Geck factory is a waste of time for now. We lack the energy to support using it (it's made of more than just beryllium), the population to need it (all it does is make good farmland and cleanse radiation) and the land to restore.

After we've taken the Legion or the unclaimed northern lands? Sure! Until then it seems like an extreme use of our limited resources to attempt to repair it and something that'd almost certainly not return it's invested cost with what we can afford to feed into it.


As to the Reavers? I don't want to mess with their minds, if nothing else for moral reasons, but also because unless we render them into brains / AI's we need a boon is my understanding.

>>1829514
>>1829518
I'd point out that for all the resources you'd be throwing into the packages, could've been spent colonising and unifying the northern lands under us and would thus be somewhat wasted.

We shouldn't make their lives easier outside of our state. That is how we are going to get them to join. That joining makes their lives easier, safer and generally better.


Plus it requires us using our scoutship or teleporters to get them there. Both of which are expensive to use (teleporters use energy, scoutship we only have one of and need for other shit) and should be used to move resources north for our own efforts, not to the benefit of independent states.

>>1829514
Giving stuff away for free is stupid. If we want the admiration of the local populace, set up a forward base and offer land and food under our protection. This would keep the people dependent on us and would let us use them as labor. Furthermore, we should use the bio AI for something better than rice bags. Have her research gene mods or cures (which can also be used to convert the populace. And, on top of that, randomly distributing resources has a negative effect on stability in a lawless place. In Africa, tribal warchiefs raid villages and steal the food given to them to buy weapons. I dont see things going differently unless we can police the area. And if we want that, the most sensible option would be making a settlement there ourselves aka what I said first.

Also, trying to buy indulgence is dumb as hell and wastes resources.

>>1829514
Fuck that shit. The north is MLA/LEGION/NCR warzone

>>1829545
No, no, further north. Montana and multiple other states have no NCR, MLA or Legion presences currently and there are plans under consideration to colonise them.

>>1829520
Like i said , it appears we have different goals here anon.

>>1829548
It's less so different goals, more so different priorities.


I feel expansion, military or civilian or industrial, is more effective than spending resources on these seemingly Wunder-techs.

>>1829546
Helping places we can't get too? Fuck that shit

Going to be away for a bit more posts soon

>>1829560
We have teleportation you fool. Combined with the ability to seemingly send signals via portals (the new Tesla coil version) we can easily establish a presence there.

>>1829240
>>1829465
Unless we can do the sleeper agents idea, I'm voting no. Can't have anything that conflicts with their memories or free will, they haven't done any capital crimes yet.
The other two I'm iffy on because then that'll cause complications if we mention faction politics to them.

>>1829244
Regardless, we can't let the BoS ever find out they're alive because we told them they were dead earlier, unless we can make a very good cover story.

>>1829390
>>1829487
We can already perfectly replicate their bodies and augments, there's no need to destroy their bodies for that. We could also check the corpses we mauled.

>>1829581
Well 'fool' we need to fly there, set UP A TELAPORTION Pad and then hand it out not worth it

well since I apparently need to spell out the positive efects of being a decent person here goes.

first and foremost aid packages to the far north are a tool to erode Dianna's resistance and further us along the path to turning the chip off before somone realizes what we did and it fucks us.

the cost is strengthening our transportation network which we should do regardless. preferably by reproducing the scout ship or creating mobile T-pads or full scale portal projection.

the food cost is so negligable that it means nothing.

secondly it promotes good will among the people of that region.

if they get raided by raiders as a result we can certainly provide then protection in return for joining the cause.

lastly, actions like these could prevent civil unrest at home by demonstrating that we are committed to ending the horrible state of affairs in the world.

>>1829551
Expansion has never really been a high priority for me.

I feel working on our industrial and our civilian infrastructure is priority. I want t9 take Big MT and our 2 small towns turn it into a utopia, if I have to rely on wonder tech like our replicators and the geck factory then I will.

Then Ill probably look at colonization. Considering we own the nursery that would probably be my first choice.

>>1829655
what can those redneck losers possibly offer us? I hear you ask.

how about unopened Vaults? Who knows whats hidden away up there? the locals might just have a clue.

>>1829657
are you rebuilding America, or Pleasantville USA?

because right now a sufficiently advanced orbital war asset could eliminate our entire society in two shots.

but hey vote how you want.

>>1829611
>We can already perfectly replicate their bodies and augments, there's no need to destroy their bodies for that. We could also check the corpses we mauled.
The clone corpses, the ones we mauled, were given to the BOS.

And even if we can replicate their augments, that'd still involve getting them out.

>>1829613
>Well 'fool' we need to fly there, set UP A TELAPORTION Pad and then hand it out not worth it
We've flown our Scoutship (which we know can carry a teleportation pad and power source without issue) to these areas repeatedly. It ain't an issue.

Also I think you might be blind, I am advising AGAINST aid packages but FOR conquest and colonisation.

>>1829655
Mate, no. Just expand into the region and make the lives better for those that join us.

>>1829657
Except you can't expect to produce even a single GECK anytime soon and we know for a fact that the amount of power needed to make replicator post-scarcity is insane. You can't make a utopia, it literally means "no-place" in reference to it's impossibility.

Fact is that our current holdings have far better lives than 99% of the people alive. Focus on expanding that to everyone and then we can look into improvements beyond that.


Might I also remind you that the NCR, MLA, BOS and Legion continue to expand? That they continue to claim more and more land? By maintaining such a isolationist path you make our future all the harsher, the coming wars all the more bloody.

>>1829675
>And even if we can replicate their augments, that'd still involve getting them out.
Yes. So we can get the augments from replicated corpses instead of the real deal.

>>1829666
What's keeping us from doing what Elijah is likely doing while he's turtling, making a shield dome for turtlers like the ones they use in Supreme Commander?

>>1829666
Fear of orbital annihilation right this very instant could be used against anyone's plans for the future.

Unless your plans are lets build an anti orbital defense system.

But using your example they could just bomb us why we build it so why try right?

>>1829655
>first and foremost aid packages to the far north are a tool to erode Dianna's resistance and further us along the path to turning the chip off before somone realizes what we did and it fucks us.
Really pointless argument. We did it and its done. No point being "aha you love us" besides your conscience.

>>1829655
>the cost is strengthening our transportation network which we should do regardless. preferably by reproducing the scout ship or creating mobile T-pads or full scale portal projection.
We have better things to focus on than food logistics for paupers way up nowhere.

>>1829655
>the food cost is so negligable that it means nothing.
That doesnt mean we give it away for naught.

>>1829655
>secondly it promotes good will among the people of that region.
I would argue a beacon of hope in the form of a secured settlement is a beter sign of our wish to help them.

>>1829655
>if they get raided by raiders as a result we can certainly provide then protection in return for joining the cause.
And here you run into the problem of policing hundreds of square miles of land for nothing. We have few bots as it is and no reason to venture that far just yet.

>>1829655
>lastly, actions like these could prevent civil unrest at home by demonstrating that we are committed to ending the horrible state of affairs in the world.
People care about windows. Not a soul gives a shit about some asshole 700 miles up north. The only thing it gets you is a facebook like. Pointless.

>>1829657
Completely agree.

>>1829659
And any time we do this we use hero actions. If we want to go spelunking and HAVE to give away food, take some chickens with us, give them to locals in return for info and raid the dungeon. No need for all this mess.

>>1829666
Getting pissy? We have all the Wunderbar tech we could want and you want us to start tilling the soil with peasants again? We have talked a lot about automation and this is the way forward. If we build the capital into a shielded and armed structure there is nothing that can kill us. As opposed to an aircraft carpet bombing all our farms up north. Shit point and boils down to your personal preference. But I agree.

Vote how you like.

I vote >>1829657

>>1829675
I don't agree with your assessment.

>>1829680
True but then what? You've still got the originals and little way to make them into useful agents.

>>1829694
And I don't agree with yours.

>>1829681
it was hyperbole meant to highlight vulnerability in our position.

personally I would prefer to claim territory as >>1829675 suggests. and for all the same reasons. isolation is detrimental.

we have the technology to rapidly induce learning, produce vast amounts of food, and completely obviate traditional supply lines. why not leverage those assets fully to prevent further enemy expansion?

how many nursery level discoveries might be out there? you want the legion to get the next one? the NCR? something worse?

it might draw us into limited conflict, but it would do so away from our main centers of power. and I prefered aid packages as an opener for reasons already stated

>>1829700
>And I don't agree with yours.
Fair enough. I like that this might be the first argument I've been in that hasn't had name calling.

>>1829706
I feel that the two of you might have my position confused.

Just because I want to focus on building Up the Cities we have, and Making our capital into the best dam place anyone could live in / Impregnable fortress, Does not equate to Isolation.

I'm not over here advocating lets ignore the outside world. Where did that Idea come from?

Sure I'm saying "Hey lets not worry about colonies right this instant."

Vamp up our spy network, have the courier explore. If the NCR or MLA finds something shiny, blow it the fuck up or take it from them. If the legion finds some high tech marvel, they will probably just destroy it like they did the Repcon Center, if they don't however, Blow it the fuck up or take it from them.

>>1829730
Plus one to you sir

>>1829730
Because you stated you wanted to focus entirely on making a tiny area a paradise. Using things that require insane resources to produce in any realistic scale.

>>1829733
Thank you kind anon.

>>1829738
Again.
Just because I want to focus on building Up the Cities we have, and Making our capital into the best dam place anyone could live in / Impregnable fortress, Does not equate to Isolation.


Perhaps my statement could have been stated better originally, I apologies for the misunderstanding.

Back writing

>>1829738
Versus expanding in any meaningful way into a wilderness far far away? Rethink your argument.

>>1829744
>Just because I want to focus on building Up the Cities we have, and Making our capital into the best dam place anyone could live in / Impregnable fortress, Does not equate to Isolation.
Absolutely right. We should play to our strenghts. Building high and going high tech. We can never out industry the NCR on regular ground (which the current colonization would be). Rather, we build tall until our ability to project power was sufficient to literally lock down huge swaths of land as well as quickly establish meaningful industry. If we want loot, we can hero quest that.

>>1829744
Except our goal isn't mutually exclusive. The reason for expansion is to gain resources and people and technology and industry. All things you want to make use of.
Fact is this, to support 200 people off of replication alone requires more power than we currently have, ignoring other needs like lighting, cooking and so on. Add onto this that you want to have it be the best place someone could live? That means TV's, holo-cinemas, robotic workers, free medical care and so on. An insane amount of resources.

You can't reasonably expect to be able to achieve this in any real terms without expanding massively, since we've almost certainly made some difference in the metal supply in the Divide (even if it is less than 5%) and can't rely on it forever. Yet rather than investing these resources into the military and into expanding, you want to spend them frivolously on luxurious improvements and upgrades for our people when they seem content for the most part (ignoring the windows)?

>>1829768
>Versus expanding in any meaningful way into a wilderness far far away? Rethink your argument.

1) Distance is retaliative. We have teleportation and the potential to construct large fast aircraft.

2) We can easily set up industry once we've got even a tiny town under our wing to reprocess local materials or transport them via teleporter back to Big mt for reprocessing.

3) It's not a wilderness. It is merely a region that isn't under the control of any one large nation or group. It's still got all the settlements, scrap, pre-war bases and other stuff other regions have. Only without having to fight an actual army for it.

4) We need population and this is an easy way to get it while also avoiding the problem of them being disloyal or such.

I think that we should use the divide and set up ton of power plants. That we can be able to replication everything that we will need.

Once we have a massive power supply we can take over land in other places.

>>1829787
as one anon pointed out, our goals are not mutually exclusive.

construction and research actions can further your goals while biological and hero actions can drive expansion.

>>1829798
Essentially.

Once we have the teleporter, we can teleport in refined material like tools, soldiers, robots, medicine and so on until we establish local production (thanks to the surplus of labour, we can rely on humans for a little while until things start to pick up on that end to reduce the logistics constraints) while at the same time teleport out new converts, raw material (current settlements will be built of scrap and old world buildings, should remake into Hexcrete housing arrangements thus gaining metal) and technological samples from any ruins in the region.

Rolled 38, 28, 89 + 20 = 175 (3d100 + 20)

>>1828332
>>MILITARY
>Finish purging the radiation hot spot in the north east of the Divide of it's beasts and investigate the remains
>>1828369

>>1829783
>>1829806
This all relies on this land being somehow super useful to us. I dont see that happening. If there are locations of interest (ala Nursery) we can claim them with the teleporter tech. If it is resources you are after, take into account that anything large needs energy to be transported (especially by teleport). This means it is far cheaper to get local stuff and seeing how big the divide is, I dont think we will run out before we start expanding locally (war). Thus, again, there is nothing for us out there now. If it is just the people, we get back to cloning tech.

As was stated previously, it is better to use the divide to build us up for now and start taking local resources and areas (NV area is a priority). When we have the tech and the powerbase at home we can do largescale pushes into the wilds elsewhere. RIght now, it is better to increase our power back home.

>>1829787
Exactly

>>1829773
We may not be mutually exclusive. Ill try and post my thoughts when I have more free time. Kitchen work is a fickle bitch, she comes and she goes.

>>1829846
>This all relies on this land being somehow super useful to us. I dont see that happening.
So you mean ignoring additional population, ignoring additional resources, ignoring potential for pre-war research bases, vaults and military facilities? Well it denies it to the other factions and secures additional land to develop in due time.

>If there are locations of interest (ala Nursery) we can claim them with the teleporter tech.
Aye and at that point I see no reason why we wouldn't start expanding out from them. Fact is that we can learn of such places from the locals and from our Courier from there. So we can set up a holding in such a place if that would convince you.

>If it is resources you are after, take into account that anything large needs energy to be transported (especially by teleport). This means it is far cheaper to get local stuff and seeing how big the divide is, I dont think we will run out before we start expanding locally (war).
We've used roughly 5% at most of the Divide and I agree that it will last until we start expanding like you say but that doesn't mean we shouldn't look elsewhere for other places we can get more resources and expand.

Also I'd point out that teleportation ain't that energy intensive, we could easily set up something or get power from a pre-war base if it came down to it and is probably not
as dependent on mass as you suggest, more so volume given it works by bending space.

>Thus, again, there is nothing for us out there now. If it is just the people, we get back to cloning tech.
Except we've stalled in the cloning debate and you'd be a fool to expect any change there. Plus the current acceptable form of cloning could still take years, we don't have anything to base it on besides the Reaver cloning and they were meant to come out dead, so it's not like it helps to prove the ease of doing so.

>As was stated previously, it is better to use the divide to build us up for now and start taking local resources and areas (NV area is a priority). When we have the tech and the power-base at home we can do large scale pushes into the wilds elsewhere. RIght now, it is better to increase our power back home.
Except this region could be colonised and resources gathered without risking any conflict with the major powers.

I am not saying we wouldn't go to conquer NV. Hell I proposed that damn plan. What I am saying is that I think we can easily establish a useful presence up north.

>>1829911
Well at least you are willing to compromise and discuss this further. That is all I can ask.

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>>1829841
>MAJOR
"FORWARD!"

General Kreger watches from his vantage point inside the Bawang Tank. As robot forces in tight formation move forward from the defensive line of tanks, debris wall, and barbed wire. The Devil's brigade remained behind along with all Chinese and Phoenix human elements. Even if their suits did have the capability to withstand the radiation and were built for combat in this terrain, why risk human lives.

Heavy resistance wasn't expected. But the presence of such intense radiation meant even the Enclave Power Armor would not hold up. Only the Alien Bounty Hunter had the rad resistance, and where Riddick moved up flanking Cain and Unity leading the Super Mutants. ED-E and several of the eyebots moving forward scouting for enemies.

The rest of the robots moved up sticking close in over watch position, groups staying close enough to provide fire support for each other without also risking friendly fire.

However, the terrain proved they could not sustain this.

Pockets of green glowing goop were everywhere, worse still the dust storms would often cover these in a thin layer of dirt making it easy to step on. More than once robots would end up falling into them, and end up having to shed away their Hazard Armor and retreat.

But the real difficult was the wlidlife. Everything glowed here. The Deathclaws. The rogue tunellers. The radroaches and botflies. Radscorpions and more. And of course, ghouls Whenever they were killed, they would explode into a volatile green plasma that could splash things.

Like all things that glow, they seemed to be healed by the radiation and their veins coursed with the green glowing goop that was around.

But the worst was yet to come.

---

>EDE
**Nervous Beeping**

>Cain
"Whoa some kind of monsters. . ."

>Riddick
"Doesn't look good."

>MAJOR
"What is that?

WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THAT? SHOOT IT! SHOOT EM ALL!"

>>1829948
Well, at least we will have plenty of fissile when all this is done.


Also we should see about trying to take some of the deathclaws alive so we can make use of them.

>>1829977
as the anon who proposed rocket propelled juicer deathclaws I approve.

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>>1829948
A flood of mutated flesh descends on the robots and companions as they do their best to burn, and blast, their way through.

ED-E uses a targeting laser to mark coordinates for the single long range artillery and the mortar TACTS far behind, a shell landing directly on mutant thing as it explodes into a fireball of napalm and gore.

Unity shouts orders to the Super Mutants as they unleash their heavy weapons of miniguns and grenade launchers or fight in hand to hand combat grappling with the beasts, joined by Riddick who slashes them with his twin blades and AXE MAN who carves into them with a knife.

Cain, his preference of high performance energy weapons, stands back to back with the Tankitron at the center of the robot formation, disintegrating foes left and right. The Sentry Shield robots and Hazard Bots forming the protective outside, the LAER bots and normal MKV's making a deadly inner firing line as repair drones and salvager bots scramble to keep them firing despite heavy damage and overheated weapons.

All the while SPI in her stealth suit walks invisibly, appearing in brief instances as she slices the head off a monster, or charges her head cannon to blow a hole clean through one.

The Tankitron, meanwhile, shows the real definition of firepower. His targting LAER burns a blue smoknig hole at a screaming beast, before a bright blue ball of disintegrative energy collides onto them. There's not even any remains left, naked air where once was matter.

As tides of mutated limbs, tentacles, eyeballs, and shouting mouths descend your robots hold up the fight and press onward. It seems you might just be winning this!

and as they approach the center of the green glow they see for the first time what it is. A nuclear energy plant, leaking, and surrounded by a glowing moat of green sludge.

As they fight onto the very sure, certain that they could start securing a foothold and begin defending the area from further attacks, the glowing lake of goo begins to bubble and roil, before a geyser of liquid waste spews into the air. What looks like a giant mutated hand the size of a building reaches up from the deep.

Your forces open fire on this thing, lighting it up with laser and plasma blast, explosions from grenades and missiles distorting it. The Tankitron aims its cannon at the hand, and fires, tearing off its pinky which falls to the ground. There's a primordial rage that shakes the ground, before the injured bleeding hand balls into a fist and lands, crushing an entire squad of MKV's who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, scraping their bodies to scrap on the ground before pulling back into the goo, wounded.

----

Whatever killed those bots doesn't surface again, but clearly has everyone concerned.

>>1829240
I vote no.

>>1830063
Maybe that giant hand, was a giant body that can talk with it's giant mouth? Or it just so Rad filled it doesn't understand nothing but pain.

>>1830063
Well I'd advise trying to nuke whatever that giant thing was but I get the feeling it would just become stronger. So my best solution would be more Tankitron's seeing as their LAER-Beams with disintegration function can tear through it.

Rolled 4 (1d4)

Your military has made headway into the Northwestern anomaly, now found to be pockets of green glowing nuclear waste surrounding a lake around an old world nuclear plant.

Riddick and Axe Man pull back, the radiation, while tolerable, is not safe for them without constant use of Radaway.

Unity and the Super Mutants are doing fine, the robots as well though they regularly perform scrubs.

It is unknown what that giant thing was in the lake, how big it really is, or if its still there.

---

>HERO
>- second date
-Vanessa
-Sonia
-Dandan
-Veronica

>>1830144
-Veronica

>>1830156
>>1830144
From what you know of Veronica, she likes being treated like a lady.. Probably after being raised in a literal hole in the ground while wearing cotton scribe robes.
She was quite happy when you got her that dress, and she reads magazines on high class fashion from the NCR and Old World.

You do have several options available to you:
-CHOOSE:
>Fancy dinner at the NCR (New Reno)
>Candlelight dinner at the nursery
>Test out a new VR Sim
>Other?

Hmmm, if only New Vegas was still around.

>>1830190
>>Test out a new VR Sim
While I think it is pretty Cool I don't think that's what Veronica had in mind

>Fancy dinner at the NCR (New Reno)
Maybe we can work and pleasure while here

>>1830190
>Fancy dinner at the NCR (New Reno)

>>1830190
>Fancy dinner at the NCR (New Reno)

There's a casino there and we have 10 LCK. Let's go break their bank while we are at it.

>>1830213
>>1830215
>>1830223
writing

>>1830063
It is possible the military base has a particle uplink cannon, which should help killing the giant monster. And in hot pink too.

>>1830293
That is a good point. Honestly even if it only contains those EMP missiles and some advanced sensors I'll be happy.


Hell, I'd take a normal nuclear reactor and nothing more.

>>1829655
I support this line of thinking.

>>1830443
Do you mean you support actions in the north, colonisation of the north or general humanitarian tasks?

>>1830449
Colonization through humanitarian efforts. If we just conquer, the scattered people will start teamimg up and people die. Future americans.

We go through with goodwill, they would be more forthcoming and cooperative, and as we bring more villages into the fold, more will want to join, especially if threatenes by the MLA, legion and NCR

>>1830540
>Colonization through humanitarian efforts. If we just conquer, the scattered people will start teamimg up and people die. Future americans.
Agreed.

>We go through with goodwill, they would be more forthcoming and cooperative, and as we bring more villages into the fold, more will want to join, especially if threatenes by the MLA, legion and NCR
Agreed.


I do however feel we can play it by ear. I mean we have access to cures for every pre-war disease, cancer, every disease of the mind, lost limbs, blindness, deafness, paralysis, etc. Not to mention gene-modded crops that are far more productive, robotic workers and soldiers and free food for all citizens. Plus free education and housing.

Seriously. Consider how fast that Courier joined us when we saved him. Then imagine if we defeated EVERY raider group around a town, offered them all that shit? If they refused they are clearly insane.

>>1830293
Why don't we use the Arcamedies laser against the goo lake?

>>1830540
I'll support colonization / annexation of tribes in Utah, but only after we finish the post-scarcity (phase 1) list and get our second construction action.

>>1830144
OP, do we need to spend an action to upgrade all existing tesla coils, or has this already taken place?

Also, what was the result with the Hubs - we allowed for private industry with the recite, correct?

So naturally we would NEVER do this to anyone regularly, because it's bad for us for the reasons mentioned here: >>1829236

But uhh, Oddball's a bastard but a highly useful bastard.

What if we kidnap him and then change his memories to make him work for us?

>>1830679
Yup. Hearts and minds has a higher initial investment, but the results are better- higher morale, more cooperation and more people joining up

We already have a good rep from abducting the psychos. We shouldn't shit it away by going in heavy handed and aggresive.

>>1830687
Agreed, on archimedes and finishing the second action post scarcity

>>1830687
>I'll support colonization / annexation of tribes in Utah
You mean Montana right?

>>1830707
Should probably link a clear yes/ no to this >>1829240 in regards to the reavers.

>>1830728

I'm fairly indifferent to the Reavers. I'd be fine if we used them for a while but I concur with anons who think they're mostly just a long-term liability.

>>1830721
To be frank, I can't see any reason to not try and pull both off if the Montana operation works out well.

>>1830721
Wasn't the plan Utah first because it's closer and we can leverage our existing allies there?

We need to create a frontier outpost / town / refuelling stop there before we can hop over to Montana in my opinion.

>>1830745
Agreed.

I think we should just inspect their augments and then kill them - disposing of the bodies.

Using betrayal and control chips to get the Nursery was one thing - it's a massive asset for us and we've denied it to the BoS.

But this is just a group of soldiers. Elite soldiers yes, but that's it.

It's not worth the risk of trying to bring them to our side and either that not working, or them remembering and turning against us down the track.

>>1830834
You know what though, something did just occur to me.

If we make them think they're heretics, AND turn their brains into robo-brains (or some other similar cyber-fication procedure if we develop it) then we could possibly cause a religious schism in the Reavers against the BoS in the long run...because we'd be able to turn every Reaver into a god.

>>1830063
>ED-E uses a targeting laser to mark coordinates for the single long range artillery and the mortar TACTS far behind, a shell landing directly on mutant thing as it explodes into a fireball of napalm and gore.
Did we also bring the Left Field artillery site? This would be great for this.

>>1830926
Next time that big thing comes we should use our gun to Archimedes II it.

It seems to not get used much, since the Courier is out doing other things.

>>1830687
>>1830945
Oh yeah. Since it's still usable, if we aren't going to use it soon we should use the solar array for power instead. Or give it to Kreger or someone else who's going to use the laser more often.

>>1830915
That probably won't work. They would have to proslytize in BOS territory, but they are dead, so that might break the false memories. Also they might just get arrested and silenced as soon as they start speaking, for being imposters.

>>1830983
I don't think we could pull it off with what we've got at hand, but I think it's a plan we might want to keep in mind for the future.

>>1830144
While you were busy opening up peoples skulls and trying to figure out whether you could fix someone's brain's being squeezed through a hole the size of a diamond, you and Alexis had planned things out for Veronica accordingly.

The Hubs refilling your wallet was actually quite useful.

You are The Courier, but you were also A Courier, so tapping into some connections with old friends from the New Californian Republic Postal Service you order a mail catalogue from New Reno Fashion and room rates from the 8ball casino.

Much as you hate to say it, they've invested in budding fashion industry.

Their Courier arrives on a motorcycle and drops it off at the chokepoint, meanwhile you hand to him a size able package. Inside it, some gold coins minted from your Repicator with the promise of even more if they were to provide you and another person their best room and VIP service.

In between surgeries, you look through the catalog. They do have some very nice dresses, they are very well designed by some new fashion artists who have flourished in the NCR's rise. You consider ordering one.

It's then, you have a much better idea. Why order and be like the others, when you can show the world something new? Well, sort of.

Heading to the VR simulator, you picture Vera Keyes outfit. Then, you picture Veronica's frame. She's a bit shorter than Vera Keyes, and her bust is a bit bigger, but you get the dimensions to Veronica perfectly. Then you replicate the dress. Along with a few others things (jewelry, lingerie, that sort of thing), you even go out of your way to manufacture a new type of perfume from some of the exotic flowers you found in the nursery and wrap it up in a beautiful little package.

---

Veronica is about to go work at BigMT when you tell her job will be covered.

Veronica's no idiot, and asks you if you're planning on taking her on some UFO joyride and if you're going to try and bed her like Wendy (who, by the way, is pregnant again) and leave her naked and drunk. She reminds you that while you are the father of her child after a drunken escapade, she still prefers women.

You tell her there's a real purpose to this trip: Advertisement. You hand her a package. You tell her you want her to open it, and she rolls her eyes and agree's.

She almost drops the box, and her eyes go wide as dinner plates as she looks inside.

>Veronica
"Oh my god! . . .You didn't!

A new dress! Yes! Thank you!"

She rushes up to you and gives you a hug, and you hug her back, and ask her to try it on.

She blushes, but can't say no to that, but tells you to get out. You tease her by saying you've seen it all already, just as she slams the door on you.

Veronica comes out looking dazzling in Vera Keyes outfit, and she finds you holding the door open as a several protectrons are outside holding the door to your limousine open.

She gives you a wry smirk, and daintily walks down the steps on her new high-heels, as you both get into the car and drive west.

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>>1831012

>>1831012
>(who, by the way, is pregnant again)
Mission Accomplished

>>1831012
So how gay is veronica exactly? Like a 5? Or a 4 on the kinsey scale?

>>1831041
She's just in denial

>>1831032
Huzzah!

One more future citizen for the reborn America.

>>1831087
We can be the best wingman though.

>>1829841
Were the rolls good or bad for us?

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>>1831012
On the trip to New Reno, as you pass by miles of open road through Barstow, you give Veronica the opportunity to learn how to drive. Teach her how to gently lift up on the clutch, and hold her hand as she puts the car into gear, shifting as she accelerates to speed. She finds it quite fun, and is a natural driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sI_Ps7JSEk

Finally you drive into New Reno. Bustling with activity and tourists, not as much a New Vegas in its prime, but still. There, Veronica is treated to well Bellhops opening her door as Valet's drive the car to a private parking lot.

>Bellhop
"Welcome to the 8-ball Hotel and Casino Mr. Executor and Madam. I am Jake, your private servant for your stay. Please, allow us to cater to your luggage. Your room has been prepared for you."

The hotel men carry her luggage and open doors for her. You enter luxurious lobby, the cool smell of air conditioner and fragrance greeting you with the sound of soft piano music from an electric piano. The fresh carpet and clean tiled floors and plant decor illuminated by soft golden lights from the ceiling.

Veronica's dress has an instant effect on the hotel goers and staff alike, its like nothing on the NCR market, and eyes trail her. You see her blush at the attention.

The bellhop leads you to the elevator and presses the 3rd floor from the top. The elevator opens to a long hallway with only one door.

>Bellhop
"Your penthouse, Sir. We hope you enjoy your stay here. We have informational brochure's on the hotel activities and nearby attractions and show times. Our kitchen and buffet is open 24/7, 7 days a week, and you may phone in for in room delivery. Formal dining and show will be later tonight at 8:00. And if there is anything at all you absolutely need, you may dial the phone for me and we will do everything we can to ensure we make your experience at the 8-ball Hotel the best in the civilized world."

>>1831226
All in favour of building a place twice as good as this the moment we have the resources and shit to spare?


Obviously that'd be after colonisation of Montana / the north, Utah, conquest of the Legion and expansion south / east / into the Caribbean and mexico.

>>1831238
Something new to add to our bottom of very long list of things to do. I agree.

>>1831238
>All in favour of building a place twice as good as this the moment we have the resources and shit to spare?
Aye, i was always planning to turn New Vegas into a entertainment and media center, cartoons and educational shows like Mr wizard alike.

>>1829433
I feel like we're making the Matrix and we need to make safeguards against scenarios where a person might become addicted to VR simulations or can't tell if something is part of reality anymore...

>>1831012
I say we bone her up her dress. :^)

>>1831238
Sure. Lets make newberry a touristy place. After everything else though.

>>1831251
Nah, New Vegas.

>>1831249
I have a idea of making like a hud display while in the VR. Like tap your wrist or someplace, and a menu would pop up, able to spawn in items or used as a designer tool.
Ie. If you want to bring a canvas and paint a picture of the wasteland, or a landscape that can printed out. Like give more creativity to the people or let, people learn to tinker with things while not using up things in real life. Maybe set up a printer to print out the drawing people make.

>>1831249
>I say we bone her up her dress. :^)
We need to bone her while she wear the dress, and get another baby. :^)

>>1831259
Would have to deal with all the displaced Romans. But we could do that.

>>1831245
Agreed, it's probably months (in real life I mean) off but I thought we might as well establish it now.

>>1831248
Nah, NV is getting turned into an industrial center for now and once we've beaten the Legion we'll be too busy civilising, industrialising and colonising their lands to switch it's focus. Fact is the Dam and vaults in the region make it ideal for replicator using industry.

Longer term we can see about that though but I would point out that as we head south we'll encounter regions that were hit far lighter by nuclear war and even large regions not hit by the actual blasts.

>>1831251
Nah, I was thinking we'd make a coastal resort (using a hidden wall far out to seal off un-irradiated water (cleaned using Shi vines and Vault tec water chips) from the ocean / a river while also preventing dangerous wild life sneaking in).

Then we just add some artificial wave generators, nice fish and coral species and we have something to compete with the NCR's hotel while also providing an additional place for a Nursery scale biological / ecological restoration project.

>>1831278
Give the displaced Legion, the real taste of Rome through VR. They will be in awe of it. Maybe something can come from it, or just waste VR pods. It's a idea that can be expanded on.

>>1831283
Problem is getting beach front territory. Would have to settle for the bay of california most likely.

>>1831278
Plans have be describe to deal with the Legion: children under a certain age can be saved along with most women. Potentially slaves as well but the Legion has broken them in well and we'd need to unprogram them which could take years if not decades. All adults are too risky (except women). Large portions of the men are Legionaries and generally they can be believed to be very strong in their belief.

>>1831296
If we take over the Legion, we gain a border with the unclaimed Mexican expanse. A vast region which although mostly unhit by nuclear weapons, was already unstable pre-war. Fact is that we could easily gain massive regions of land and shit if we can get access to there.

Not to mention the possibility to clear out the Texan region and gain coast there but for that we need to get through the massive tornadoes. Which could be done by use of the tunnellers and some long cable.

>>1831296
well maybe not.

its fairly obvious that a GECK can be weaponized. and nothing good is going on with texas right now anyway.

>>1831306
cables are inefficient for long range underground comms.

direct laser relay is MUCH more efficient.
or if we have the power plants for it portalnode comms.

and i repeat remote control GIants could do the initial work while being controlled from the tunneler.

in fact GIants could do a lot of our resource extraction.

>>1831306
We should still at least try the men. At least the civilian ones that are farmers, like we saw. Just don't tolerate bullshit about it. They mess up, they are dead.

>>1831326
Glants?

>>1831339
Giant ants. I had a bit of an issue too.

>>1831339
sorry if i was unclear.

we can currently conteol bugs via microchips interfacing with their brain.

slap an echoboy on an already very sensitive ant and they could be ludicrously effective as resource gatherers

but im a biology major. ask me what we can do with fungus.

>>1831366
Zombies? That's how you get The Last of Us.

>>1831326
>cables are inefficient for long range underground comms.
They are the tech we have to work with.

>direct laser relay is MUCH more efficient.
Yes and so would quantum relays.

>or if we have the power plants for it portalnode comms.
Possibly but I don't know how bandwidth works with those...

>and i repeat remote control GIants could do the initial work while being controlled from the tunneler.
I fail to see how that benefits us seeing as we'd not only need to capture them but also harness each one when under your system we still need to build the most expensive part of a conventional system: the Tunneller.

>in fact GIants could do a lot of our resource extraction.
Not really. Robots are more efficient and reliable.

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You do everything you can to treat Veronica like a lady.

Breakfast in bed, and sleeping in half the first day in comfortable bedding after yesterdays long trip.

A trip to the spa, where professionals massage every last kink out of her body and turn her skin baby smooth, giving her the most amazing haircut and pampering.

Shopping at the mall, where you confirm your theory that women like to look more than they buy.

You gift her a stylish swimsuit, and both of you enjoy the pool and Jacuzzi, chatting with each other, about anything from politics to technology about how the other hotel guests look, and herself and getting to know her even more.

Finally dinner and wine before a live show and robot pianist, a chef you recognize once worked at the Ultra-Luxe (this place has a number of people who were also refugee's from New Vegas. You keep your eyes peeled, and you think you see a few people you once saw in Big MT, but your focus is here with Veronica).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5znVj9VUnGI

Then the slow dance.

You hold Veronica close, and simply lead her with your body.

She's shorter than you, and rests her head on your chest (you are a really big guy and tend to dominate the whole room. It's helped to intimidate a few other men who you suspect would try to move in on Veronica who looks so pretty now in her dress and makeup). You whisper in her ear how beautiful she is and how happy you are to have her so close.

You find she's crying, and you ask her why. She says she's never been this happy before, and thanks you.

The music nears its end, and you find yourself cupping her chin and reaching down to kiss her (a skill you've mastered quite well with Unity). She closes her eyes, and lets the feeling take over her.

>>1831384
Man, were really cucking christine 1

>>1831373
I was just looking for a way to increase resource gathering without using additional construction actions. And putting our cloning vats to good use.

>>1831384
Throughout the day, you've been leaving Veronica more of your gifts. The dress. The swimsuit. The jewerly. Perfume. Makeup.

As you lead her back to your hotel room, both of you shower before heading to bed (the penthouse has two Master bathrooms for the Gentleman and the Lady).

Veronica gets in her bathroom. You decide leave your final little package on the bed. A velvet heart shaped box with a pair of sexy lingerie, and a of champagne and two empty wine glasses, before heading in to shower yourself. You wonder if she'll accept or reject them.

As you shower, your mind is focused on some of the things you've seen. Yes, that was absolutely someone you saw from BigMT, before the Oddball incident. You wonder just how many of them are here, what happened to all of them, why they all left with him. If you weren't on a romantic outing with Veronica you could pursue this. Still, your mind has been working overtime day after day after day with all these experiments, military excursions, and political intrigues. Sometimes its just nice to relax and feel the hot water on your skin. Putting a towel around you dry up and exit the shower.

There on the bed sits Veronica, the moonlight streaming down onto her beautiful form. She wearing the gift you gave her, and holding the wine glass in her hand (th bottle sits empty on the table). Her fake speaks of nervousness, curiosity, and excitement all at once.

You say nothing and smile, flipping a nearby lamp which lights a pink hue glow of a Lightbulb #02. You take off your pip-boy, and set it to play a selection of Dean Domino's he dug up, just for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85fOolw6Rc4

Your body moves toward her, and you look at her bushing face and fall into her deep brown eyes that gaze back into yours, before meeting your lips to hers. You taste her tongue and lips, and she savors the taste of yours. Her arms reach around you, feeling your body and your muscles, and you explore her in turn. She draws you closer to her, and your body slowly pushes her down as you crawl up into the bed, your towel falling away.

CHOOSE:
>Actually try. Be as thorough as you can be. Repopulate America!
>Leave it up to chance, like you always do.
>You've got 6 already and a 7th incoming, use the dang rubber already!

>>1831586
>Actually try. Be as thorough as you can be. Repopulate America!

>>1831586
>Actually try. Be as thorough as you can be. Repopulate America!

Gonna have to leave for the night, more posts tomorrow or early morning!

>>1831586
>Leave it up to chance, like you always do.

>>1831586
>Actually try. Be as thorough as you can be. Repopulate America!

>>1831586
Repopulate America!

Test

Is everyone kill

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Welcome to the story of our world and of our life

>>1831586
Leave it up to chance

Why are we so heavy on waifu when we Should be focusing on vaporizing the giant in the muck pool. Though, again, seems a bit of a stretch to make its hand as big as a building. No precedent for anything close to that size.

>>1832414
So they are happy with us.


Anyhow, that giant hand thing retreated back into it's pool of irradiated material. We can't hit it for now, unless we have depth charges or something.

>>1832415
Well, getting them pregnant again might not make them too happy. Veronica might syffer some angst going through it all again, and sonia likes radiation too much to enjoy being kept from it for the sake of a baby.

>>1832448
True but you asked why we were so heavy on the Waifu's, not why we were so heavy on the sex.


The answer for that is because courier-lings are genetically superior and we want enough of them to create an army.

>>1832415
What is difficult about a barrel bomb with a pressure sensor? Considering it is dense sludge it should be even better at conveying damage. Have the repair drones fly them in and drop them all at once. We are either left with giant stew or a very dead giant. Win win either way.

Also, again, this is civ, not waifu quest. Though it seems QM likes it more than researchin physics concepts.

>>1832453
This stuff has a nasty effect on metal, whatever it is. Its like a less volatile form of plasma residue.

Not that you don't have the capability to try and bomb the shit out of it. It'd just be a good idea for everyone to steer clear.

>>1832453
It is easier to right waifu interactions than complex physics concept. Especially fictional physics.

>>1832451
Different person.

>>1832368
Very nice!

Love the imagery.

Courier as the 3rd is pretty cool.

>>1832461
We had a literal physicist here talking about rocket building concepts. Didnt seem to matter.

>>1832460
Then move our forces back enough and drop a lot of bombs. Make them thick-shelled if need be. The blastwave will spread regardless.

>>1832453
>What is difficult about a barrel bomb with a pressure sensor? Considering it is dense sludge it should be even better at conveying damage. Have the repair drones fly them in and drop them all at once. We are either left with giant stew or a very dead giant. Win win either way.
Aye but my point is that we don't have any sorts of depth charges.

>>1832460
>This stuff has a nasty effect on metal, whatever it is. Its like a less volatile form of plasma residue.
Rather interesting fact, the residue from a gooification in Fallout 4 occasionally spawns nuclear material if I remember correctly. So this is gonna be an amazing source of fissile if it's anything like that...

>>1832461
My mistake.

>>1832521
Didn't seem to matter how.

If an action were to call for rocket building then that sort of information would be useful. Just as with the construction action or with the replicator nuclear research action. However none of what was spoken last thread was applicable to the action turn given.

If you're talking about last thread some anons seemed go be salty that things couldn't be poofed out of thin air, or that the Courier decided to make a test dummy that was not expensive or high quality so there would be no loss if something bad happened, which it did.

I honestly think I should never again use any kind of real numbers and just stick to the quest abstractions of high and low. Because the very moment real numbers were used to emphasize a low grade model a big debate erupts over why the numbers should be higher.

Because even when the construction anon or the nuclear physics anon gave information it was about how something works but they didn't try to make corrections based on numbers and values. Thats what separated them from some of the anons last thread whose only goal was to insist that things should be better (lenses should be better! Altitude should be better! This is bad!) rather than show how the method could be improved (information in concrete structures, the workings of a breeder reactor and how they transform fertile material into fissile).

Give useful info not salt.

>>1832550
tl;Dr it's bad to say "they could make this much better in 19xx! Why isnt it like those?"(comparison argument)

Its better to say "have we considered using [insert mechanical details here]

I have a much better opinion of the latter than the former. Please don't just say why that things better based on arguments of comparison alone, show mechanical details. You get bonuses from the latter much more than the former.

Thats why I gave bonuses to the construction anon and nuclear boon anon.

>>1832550
While I cant take credit fr construction anon, I am both nuclear and exceedingly salty anon. What was discussed eariler was the guiding principals of this space tech, that 10 km up does not a satellite make and that at 10 km up a spyplane was very sufficient for our needs if we cant make a useful satellite right now.

>>1832559
>I have a much better opinion of the latter than the former
I will take that into account next time.

>>1832559
>Thats why I gave bonuses to the construction anon and nuclear boon anon.
If you remember, we had a heated argument on reactors as well.

>>1832565
Then my mistake was saying "X-km" instead of saying "low altitude test orbit" which I will be sure to avoid next time.

>>1832569
I have a feeling if I had made that little change there wouldn't even have been an issue, especially since the result is effectively the same.

Definitely no more concrete numbers.

>>1832574
Yes, but how do you feel about the mechanics of lesbianism?

>>1832368
Eh. Could be the same for Yaunker, Caesar, General Barnaby, etc. Looks as fuck, but I don't know you're planning to use it for propaganda if it will be as effective.

>>1832597
Its kinda just a generic statement every leader uses ffor votes/support. The previous administration is always weak but the new guy will make things better.

>>1832574
This makes the system even more vague. If you are writing about something you dont know very well, do a little background research. Not only will this help you gauge the relative powers at play in this quest but it also helps you broaden your horizons. You learn something interesting and the game is more predictable for us anons as well. Win-win. Besides, you dont have to know every detail on spaceflight. By giving a few numbers and a general idea of whats up, other anons can add to that info and flesh-out the game more. This would also tie into the boon system where a good enough explenation would give bonuses. What do you think?

>>1832559
Construction anon is here but I've just been trying my best to avoid the large debates and only vote. I came for a /qst/ not my college classes all over again. School no matter the age sucks

>>1832659
But the opportunity to not only find out new things for yourself but help others learn is great.

>>1832664
That's why I don't say shit till it comes to construction stuff, and let all the debates that play out college just happen. Fuck meatgrinders

>>1832684
Are you american? Is the system there really that dry and repetitive?

>>1832605
Well, I could do that, but some anons like to bring up examples from something like satellites from 1964 or 1977 or something when, in many regards, certain aspects of the satellite industry are both more and less advanced.

Diana mentions that she knows of a large orbital weapons satellite somewhere, though she lost contact with it, big enough to hold 6 or 7 people indefinitely as well as several large warheads. This is more advanced than we are capable of today (And this might have been one of the smaller satellites according to her).

At the same time some technologies, particularly in regards to Camera and Video taping technologies, haven't even progressed since the late 50s at best. Even House with all his money and brilliance couldn't do a simple 3d face rendering and had to use still pictures for his securitrons.

The Corona Satellite is about the best the old world had achieve but even that is a stretch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_(satellite)
Which is partly why I based the range of the test satellite on something more appropriate for the lack of development into space cameras (and cameras in general) such as the U2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_U-2
(this is explicitly similar to the camera deployed on your test craft)

The reason for the lack of satellite cameras despite being "50 years ahead" is really more because they are like 50 years "behind" instead. Spy satellites wasn't the path they were going for or believed in by military higherups. Why bother with fancy satellite cameras when there's perfectly available spy robots we can flood the skies with and have them report close up accurate data and maybe shoot a commie while they're at it? Satellites are for bombing and communications, not fancy shmancy TV.

Is it less efficient perhaps even illogical? Could they have done better? Perhapst, but remember militaries both in real life and in fallout history are known to make decisions based on doctrinal preference and rigid mindset rather than ultimate efficiency and have made technological blunders before.

>>1832574
QM, can you please answer the two questions here >>1830687

>>1832698
Yes

>>1830687
>OP, do we need to spend an action to upgrade all existing tesla coils
Just once, you've got about a 100 surgeries to do.

Luckily you have trained professionals and a medical university and trained staff.

>we allowed for private industry
Correct. By precedence you've allowed groups of people who are qualified to pursue certain construction or resource allocation agendas which mostly right now is the Hubs.

The rest of the people are watching and waiting to see if the Hubs will keep up their word.

Gonna be home soon then updates

>>1832720
>Why bother with fancy satellite cameras when there's perfectly available spy robots we can flood the skies
What would these be and can we make them? How high do they go and how large are they?

>>1832738
A shame. O know the school loan systems is retarded but I had hoped school itself was ok. If you discard the liberal shitstorm on your campuses.

>>1832720
Also, the U-2 was used 4 years before the Blackbird The one with the see-cars camera. Not that big a leap of faith.

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>>1832776
The word of the day was "build as many eyebots as we can and flood China with em!" since the Chinese were using Urban and Forested terrain to such advantage that spy planes weren't all too effective at making out camouflaged tanks and infantry. Thats why you find eyebots everywhere.

This is a bit in contrast the RL UAV program

>>1832796
Don't we also have automated spy planes

>>1832778
I mean the school education was alright but it forces you to take abunch classes to meet X-credit. While some of those are useful others are like gender studies and stupid shit.

Go for aerospace engineering end up learning how women are oppressed.

>>1832934
Really?? :D Thats was a necessary part of your education? That is literally the dumbest thing I have heard. We have to meet a number of points as well but I chose german and latin for that. This gender studies bullshit is The Worst thing to grace the Earth since the Black Plague. Arguably more insidious as well. I am sorry.

>>1832796
>This is a bit in contrast the RL UAV program
So we can have UAV drones or we cant? Didnt get that. If we cant, start building stealth eyebot variants so they cloak and slip by the enemy. A small detonator for safety reasons and we are set. If we can, build UAV drones like the NCR is building. If they can do it so can we.

Also, stop SPI from wasting time in the Divide and make her do her job for once and figure out how the NCR got all their shit so fast. Make a plan of what she needs and present it with a timeframe.

>>1832953
No need to be sorry about it, Every nation and education system is different. Its one of the reasons why I'm Construction anon and not plane anon. lol

>>1832796
I think we should hold off on those until we get the magic invisable tech things the NCR was using to spy on us.

>>1832968
Don't we already have that? We used one to find the stealth thing the NCR was using.

>>1833040
Nah, it was air-striked.

>>1832953
We should perhaps /not/ use a heavy hand with our Spy-In-Chief. They tend to be independent sorts that produce better results when they're allowed their quirks and not forced to walk in lockstep.

>>1833056
No it wasn't, the eyebots were air-striked but the prototype spybot got away just fine.

I've actually been wondering why we don't have those on passive construction, but it's still a prototype and we've also been pursuing Construction #2.

>>1833056
No, we noticed it, then shot it down, then the NCR blew it up. But we had a spyplane that first spotted it. If i recall correctly.

>>1833068
>>1833066
Ah my bad then guys.

Should we get legendary frames for each ZAX personality?

MAJOR seems like an obvious next choice.

>>1833233
Certainly but I feel that any sorts of "Legendary units" are a long way off. For now we can focus on just producing sheer numbers (the skeletal combat robots for example) backed by the occasional Tankitron (I now believe they are effective as either a link-breaker or a last resort to hold a line).

>>1833251
I think that with the Subterrines being a thing, investment in highly potent military units can be justified much more easily.

Swarms made sense when we didn't have any good means of deploying advanced military units to where they'd be the greatest nuisance to the enemy. With the ability to deploy troops into unanticipated locations the need for an elite unit that can contest/hold small locations even in small numbers will become apparent quickly.

>>1833307
I still think subterrines were the way to go over the Major's preferred underground-soldierbots though. More logistical benefits from having them as a vehicle chassis we can modify to do various things.

For instance we could probably pretty easily wreck the MLA's entire tunnel network if we built up for an alphastrike properly.

>>1833307
Swarms make sense when your goal is to hold or gain land. Which is what we want to do.

I don't disagree, elite units are useful which is why I can justify a squad of Tankitrons over the front or a few dozen squads of Bastions.


What I can't justify is investing heavily in these units and leaving us with too few units to patrol a region or hold our borders. Especially since the Tankitrons are so expensive to produce and shit.

>>1833353
Do we really want to gain or hold land though?

Do you see us, with our tech base, covering swathes of land instead of building upwards/downwards in dense cities?

What if we went for an alternative to swarms for holding land, and went with effective surveillance systems (such as the ones SPI will undoubtedly develop for us, or in a worst-case mass produced spybots constantly patrolling) and speedy means of deploying our elites from their home bases?

Not that I'm arguing, just positing alternates so we can maybe hash out our combat doctrine better.

Then again, that'd probably put us having the same tactics as the Midwest BoS probably employs.

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>>1832953
>So we can have UAV drones or we cant?
Oh no, nothing stops you from applying brand new concepts.

And certainly, what is publicly known about the US military does not imply they might not have had secret programs. Or that perhaps someone else might not come up with novel ideas not tried before.

After all, we did find this curious invention on our borders did you not? Whatever the hell this thing is.

>Also, stop SPI from wasting time in the Divide and make her do her job for once and figure out how the NCR got all their shit so fast.

>Spi
"Don't worry hun, that was just me working out the kinks. I've got myself a plan for that."

>>1833472
>Do we really want to gain or hold land though?
Yes and certainly. Both are requirements in war.

>Do you see us, with our tech base, covering swathes of land instead of building upwards/downwards in dense cities?
Yeah, seeing as our current lands can't support more than 2000 people realistically. We need to expand and that is a fact.

This is before mentioning, further expansion enables potential for conventional industry in regards to metals and other such things which we'd struggle to achieve here if at all are able and it has been established that conventional industry is more efficient in terms of energy.

>What if we went for an alternative to swarms for holding land, and went with effective surveillance systems (such as the ones SPI will undoubtedly develop for us, or in a worst-case mass produced spybots constantly patrolling) and speedy means of deploying our elites from their home bases?
Ignoring the fact that you'd be relying on having a fast enough reaction time? There's the fact that it would prove useless against the Legion's sheer numbers. They could bog down your rapid response units with dozens and dozens of tiny probing attacks and feints. Tying everything down and then actually attacking. Not to mention that it would prove useless against the NCR and the BOS. Two groups we will end up in conflict with given time and thus we should prepare for.

Plus, it each lost for you is far more expensive to repair and replace. Where as with a focus on sheer numbers, modularity and productivity, we can afford to sustain moderate losses since units can be more easily restored to function in the field or with minimal replacement parts.

>Not that I'm arguing, just positing alternates so we can maybe hash out our combat doctrine better.
It's good. Too little hypothetical discussion is done in this regard and it allows us to develop solutions to prior unforeseen problems.

>Then again, that'd probably put us having the same tactics as the Midwest BoS probably employs.
Unlikely. I believe they rely on sheer numbers of robots backed by technical superiority and better communications / command abilities.

>>1833353
Heavy units are syperior in breaking through enemy lines so should be used offensively. Lighter units should be used for policing gained territory because the heavy units are generally overkill.

Exception is urban warfare, where lighter human sized units are needed to not get held up by buildings.

>>1833695
That is what I would advise.


Ignoring that my general solution to urban combat (ignoring where the goal is preservation of historical, industrial, cultural, economic value or population), is to just apply more artillery to the problem and accept the results.

Fact is in regards to the Legion, we'll be rebuilding the entire place into modern cities and shit, so we will be able to accept greater damage to their holdings than if we were fighting the NCR or BOS. Same goes for the MLA as well but to a lesser degree seeing as they might have some useful shit.

>>1833755
I imagine the engineering and safety standards of the MLA would be lacking compared even to the legion. Infact, i can see the legion having pretty sturdy buildings, especially since it appears the deathclaws left the quarry, freeing it up for concrete.

>>1833679
>Yes and certainly. Both are requirements in war.
Well yes they are but there are more ways to do it then having a whole bunch of swarmbots for it. Some ways don't demand as many personnel/units.

>Yeah, seeing as our current lands can't support more than 2000 people realistically...conventional industry is more efficient in terms of energy.

Our current lands could support as many people as we wanted them to provided we build upwards (very doable with hexcrete), downwards with underground farms and such, and get a pipeline to a water source. So we can build up our population centers as much as we want, really.

In the same vein we're not particularly worried about land itself as much the resources the land has. Conventional extraction/manufacturing means are more energy efficient so outposts near resources are inevitable...but I feel like we're capable of developing advanced transportation infrastructure (underground tunnels and alien batteries would lend themselves to a hyperloop-esque system, for instance). In my mind this lends itself well to sporadic resource-gathering outposts that are heavily fortified, linked to our central cities with manufacturing and processing facilities.

In light of this
>There's the fact that it would prove useless against the Legion's sheer numbers.
Becomes less of an issue, because our cities are heavily fortified by default...and the outposts should be built strong enough to fend off most probing-tier attacks. Then we reinforce where ever is needed via our transportation system.

>Plus, it each lost for you is far more expensive to repair and replace...restored to function in the field or with minimal replacement parts.
It's true, but if we're not trying to defend massive areas then we can concentrate our firepower.
Now in practicality, even swarms have a tendency to cluster up around hub/mother bots. Those are really just a different kind of elite aren't they?

>Unlikely. I believe they rely on sheer numbers of robots backed by technical superiority and better communications / command abilities.
I'd reserve all judgment on the BoS's combat doctrine until we get to watch it, but from what we've heard from the MLA they like STRONK robots.

>>1833771
>I imagine the engineering and safety standards of the MLA would be lacking compared even to the legion.
True but they do make use of pre-war shit we'd want to salvage. Dams, reactors, factories and so on. Plus, we can state that their shit is good enough to hold the line which means it could certainly provide some benefit to us.

>In fact, i can see the legion having pretty sturdy buildings, especially since it appears the death-claws left the quarry, freeing it up for concrete.
Sturdy? Yes. They're using roman level construction techniques and shit.

However it's weaker than our shit and ain't wired for electricity, piped for water or anything else. Better to start a fresh especially since we will want to redevelop the entire region.

>>1833801
Eh. I imagine the MLA cities would be all fire hazards. Dams and old world buildings we could avoid blowing up, but scrap towns we couldd probably just flatten.

As for legion cities, we pribably will have to flatten, but we would have to either do it piece by piece so we dont end up with a. Lot of homeless, or have a lot of temporary shelter up.

>>1833778
>Well yes they are but there are more ways to do it then having a whole bunch of swarmbots for it. Some ways don't demand as many personnel/units.
I'd argue that what I am advising is not swarm bots. That'd be just mass producing eyebots. In fact what I am advocating is the moderate approach between quality and quantity.

>Our current lands could support as many people as we wanted them to provided we build upwards (very doable with hexcrete), downwards with underground farms and such, and get a pipeline to a water source. So we can build up our population centers as much as we want, really.
Yeah except you make one mistake with that. We have no water sources left to exploit. No underground rivers, no lakes and no rain. Add in the fact that literally everywhere around us is either irradiated to fuck or owned by the NCR / Legion and we need to secure additional land to support population.

>In the same vein we're not particularly worried about land itself as much the resources the land has. Conventional extraction/manufacturing means are more energy efficient so outposts near resources are inevitable...but I feel like we're capable of developing advanced transportation infrastructure (underground tunnels and alien batteries would lend themselves to a hyperloop-esque system, for instance). In my mind this lends itself well to sporadic resource-gathering outposts that are heavily fortified, linked to our central cities with manufacturing and processing facilities.
I would point out before I say anything else that the hyper-loop is bullshit and I'd sooner support making thousands of bicycles and having our people pedal our shit everywhere than even a single mile of that disaster-waiting-to-happen.

Next I'd point out that the Land is hugely valuable for it's green value: the sheer mass of farmland it represents and the river means that we would be able to sustain a far larger population without issue meaning we could finally move towards a truly glorious civilisation where shit like the installation of windows is an automated action and where most minor problems are dealt with without us even knowing.

After that I'd mention that what you are advising is an incredibly resource intense solution that leaves us far weaker when we choose to go on the offensive since your plan doesn't produce anywhere near the same number or force of mobile assets.

Then I would probably remark that people wouldn't enjoy living in cities that occasionally come under attack from raids. Even if they are perfectly safe.

>>1833874
>Becomes less of an issue, because our cities are heavily fortified by default...and the outposts should be built strong enough to fend off most probing-tier attacks. Then we reinforce where ever is needed via our transportation system.
And your solution until you've constructed this expensive and expansive system? Seeing as you'll be unable to support them with reinforcements and shit until it is finished. Also you make assumptions that our cities are in anyway fortified beyond being made of Hexcrete and that our outposts would be strong enough to resist against a committed assault which was my point.

>It's true, but if we're not trying to defend massive areas then we can concentrate our firepower.
Mate, we are going to be defending massive areas. Seeing as we are going to be holding the Dam, the city, various industrial / mining facilities and the various vaults.

>Now in practicality, even swarms have a tendency to cluster up around hub/mother bots. Those are really just a different kind of elite aren't they?
Not really seeing as we can produce them quite cheaply and they can be quite far from the frontlines. Especially in regions where we have communications established via digital radio towers which would be a logical outcome for the region's needs.

>I'd reserve all judgment on the BoS's combat doctrine until we get to watch it, but from what we've heard from the MLA they like STRONK robots.
Yeah, still I feel that they are a topic for another time.

>>1829925
Alright so since yesterday ive tried to come up with a compromise while getting screwed over at work and I ended up just slowly making a pastebin of my thoughts and opinions instead.

Im too stressed out to argue right now (RLshit not because of something you did) , but im sure we can come up with something we both agree to.

War, war never changes.

>Some ideas for urban warfare

The most effective means of clearing an uban area is the deployment of NBC weaponry. Hands down. For various reasons nerve gassing everything is not the best strategy for us even if it leaves raw material intact.

conversely sustained artillery fire is massively wasteful both in material expended and infrastructure destroyed.

And both tactics fail hard against the BoS for differing reasons.

it is much better to use commando style units to secure a forward operating position and teleport troops in as needed. then pack up and do it again, each time trying to fracture the forming resistance or disrupt supply lines until military resistance becomes ineffective. retreat at any sign of effective retaliation (after laying traps) to sap morale. Air strikes on fortified targets. encrypt our telenetwork to prevent infiltration.

>>1833865
>Eh. I imagine the MLA cities would be all fire hazards. Dams and old world buildings we could avoid blowing up, but scrap towns we couldd probably just flatten.
I doubt that their towns are that bad. Fact is that their low density means they should be fairly safe from fire.

>As for legion cities, we probably will have to flatten, but we would have to either do it piece by piece so we dont end up with a. Lot of homeless, or have a lot of temporary shelter up.
Yeah, that or we kill them. Still tents can be created in large numbers and a system created but I feel that we are going to have a lot less than you expect.

>>1833892
Hope shit gets better for you man but take your time and do what you need. I also hope we can find a mutually acceptable or at least tolerable compromise.