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The time has come to have meaningful discussion about splitting

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The time has come to have meaningful discussion about splitting the USA in half.

The left/right paradigm will never again find common ground, the sides are too polarized. Countries exist for a reason, and that reason is because the people in country A do not believe in or follow the same principles as country B. “Melting pot” societies do not work and will always result in conflict.

If something is not done this country WILL face another civil war, and it will be far more bloody than the first one. Everyone reading this thread will see it. The government will collapse, the military will fracture, and the USA will quite literally tear itself apart.

So, let's discuss an equitable divorce. I'm a right leaning libertarian. I volunteer my half to take all the bible thumpers, all the scary guns, all the evil rich people and their big businesses. You on the left can have the whole LGBT crowd and the “oppressed minorities”, you can tax to your hearts content, you can socialize anything you wish and protect all the birds, bees, and trees you can find.

Let's not argue about who is better, who get's more federal aid, who the military would support, what happened in 1865 – blah blah blah. It's all irrelevant. We're going to peacefully split this nation and go our separate ways.

So, how do we accomplish this?
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Pointless.
Just abolish the federal government and allow the states to become full red or full blue if they choose. Coalitions can be made if war becomes necessary if ratified by 2/3rds of the states, otherwise each state is sovereign
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>>44072472

I like how you are flat out ignoring the demographic issues.

Those are the real reason the nation needs to be divided.
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>>44072542

That's actually not a bad idea. But what about a currency system? Or would each state have their own dedicated currency.
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>>44072597

I don't see how I'm ignoring anything. Clarify.
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>>44072472

>meaningful

don't flatter yourself. this is all for fun.
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>>44072472
As an Arizonan I'd gladly take a country that takes the Rockies west.

It's more libertarian/conservative than it is liberal and the western 3rd of the country has less and less in common with the eastern half on a yearly basis

Keep your niggers, failing industry and cesspool dc and let the west coast alone.

>Denver can come too
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>>44072542
this was considered the primary problem of the civil war. the north supported a stronger federal government while the south supported stronger state governments.

honestly without the federal government i wonder if states would start to attack one another
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>>44072611
State's would have the option of adopting a currency system of their own or joining a coalition with other states where certain rules are enforced. Look at the US now, in some places the minimum wage is up to $15. If I worked there for a couple of years and then moved back to where I currently live I'd multiply my yearly pay by 1.5. It doesn't make any sense to allow things like this when everyone is forced to participate but if it was optional I would choose a state with its own currency that is very far right-wing. For the most part, people wouldn't have to move around that much since most states have a majority voting population. Splitting things in half would just be silly when there are better ways to handle the left-right divide (which does need to be handled).
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>>44072777

I think the opposite, without a federal government the states would probably leave eachother the hell alone.
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>>44072777
I know.

And to the second point, who cares? Let the faggot states get BTFO if they are failing and destroying themselves. Dividing the states along these lines would allow all liberal states to fail and be destroyed throughout the course of ~100 years eventually allowing for a hard right authoritarian single state which would be mapped similarly to the US. Gotta think long term
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>>44072862

The "splitting" is just an idea to get the ball rolling.

I concur with your premise that a state should have it's own currency. But if each state is completely independent of another, their not really states anymore. They are their own little countries.
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>>44072472
Ya goofed
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I'm from Arizona. The only Democrats here are spics. Their opinion is invalid.
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>>44072978

Personally I don't care how the USA is divied up, just so long as it happens.
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>>44072959
Yes, they are, the way things were intended. The only reason we had federal leadership was for wartime. We also had an anti-military bias for a very long time so we had no standing army, we expected that if war threatened us we were to quickly gather state militia members who were already trained in their respective state. The current federal government is completely abhorrent to the ideals of the founders and the whole entire thing is too corruptible and should be removed permanently.
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>>44073188

So what do you think is a better solution. A "UN of the states" so to speak?
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>>44073009
We have our own dialect a distinctive cultural and values we are being oppressed by liberal new York Hollywood DC culture let us govern ourself y'all will no longer be "impeded" to the goal of "progression". Let Dixie have dixie!
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>>44072978
God bless. The South will rise again. Fuck the Yankee scum destroying our great nation and its heritage.
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>>44073280
Same guy you were talking too, just on the phone, read my first post. Nothing anywhere near as intrusive as the EU, more of an initial alliance between states and even that would be optional
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>>44073296
>>44073308

Well I can tell you if we did divide along those lines, I'd be moving south to join you.
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How about the top/middle comes and hangs out with us?
You can have the right and the left. Please keep the left.
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>>44073373
Come home anon. Leave the land of "tolerant and progressive liberals" and come to Dixie, the last holdout of traditional family values in this cespool of a nation.
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>>44073358

I wouldn't agree with "Alliances". Alliances lead to military pacts which will eventually lead to a singular oversight authority which is what we're trying to get rid of.

Even Thomas Jefferson said "Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."
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>>44073411

Oh believe my I'm doing my best to make it happen. The missus and I have been looking heavily at properties in Texas. As soon as finances permit, we're outta here. (I'm in Wisconsin)
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>>44073411
Can South Dakota into Dixie? After we've blasted Lincoln off the mountain of course.
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>>44073519
Unfortunately the cultures are a bit too different, I would say SD should form a union of likeminded midwestern states. You all should be good so long as you don't get lumped in with shitholes like New York or Oregon/Washington/California/etc.
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>>44072978
To be fair you could split us into like 4 large powerful nations

Or dozens of small ones
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>>44073441
Unfortunately, in this day and age, Jefferson's vision wouldn't work. I don't think he predicted how fucking stupid some state's would become. California would be a drain on us economically no matter how little we include them in even the most neutered economic coalition and they would likewise be a gigantic drain on us in any kind of military coalition. The difference is, if California gets taken over by China, the rest of us are in trouble, but if California fails economically, and Texas and Arizona team up to "liberate" it, we'll fix both problems in one fell swoop
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>>44073471
Beware Austin, it's California lite. The other big cities all have nice areas if you have enough money to live there
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>>44072774
GDP for east coast states far exceeds the west coast, so you'll have to elaborate your economic concerns.
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>>44072472
/Pol/ logic
>The parties are both the same! Everybody is voting for the same things
>the country has never been more divided!
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>>44073579
Portland is not the rest of Oregon, southron. We hate Californian invaders almost as much as we hate New York politicians like Bloomberg interfering in our affairs.
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>>44072542

this is literally what the foundfathers first wanted. a loose union that will team up for war and freely trade but that's it
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>>44073579
That makes sense. We'll invite North Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, maybe Missouri and Iowa if they promise to behave themselves. The rest can kindly die in a fire.
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>>44073749
That's why I suggest it
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>>44073697

We don't want to be anywhere near a big city. We're specifically looking at towns with 5k or less population. We tired of the Walmarts and McDonalds, we want mom and pop shops and restaurants.
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>>44072472
states are already split by sovereign states

we are not your typical 'country'.
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>>44073730
I really support the Idea of Cascadia, but it gets romanticized when in reality, a lot of Oregon and Washington are the most progressive areas in this country. Seattle, for example, has more gay pride events and more severe gun restrictions than anywhere outside maybe NYC.

I know the California liberals are moving north, but Washington is becoming the next big liberal cespool, following in NY and California's footsteps.
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>>44073682

B-b-but California constantly touts how great they are!

I hear ya man.
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>>44073810
>having to drive 200 miles to get something that's not sold at the corner convenience store
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>>44073730
Y'all need to do something about Portland. Seriously. Have you considered a big ass canal swinging south starting about Reed Island?
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>>44073874

You obviously don't get it. We prefer independence, not convenience.
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>>44073727

This.

There is a huge argument over some very fine differences in policy. It's easier to see how the main parties tend to align in a parliamentary system, and it's easier for single issue or radical parties to influence politics. Right now you have to vote for a party that agrees with you on 80% of the issues, or one that agrees with you on 70% of the issues, where they both agree on at least 60% of the issues.
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>>44073954

Go away Ireland.
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>>44073954
No, there are huge differences in world-view between your average liberal and your average conservative. This holds true for a lot of moderates and it holds true to the parties which are controlled by a globalist coalition ensuring that certain things will happen regardless of party.
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>>44073810
Have you considered Dumas? Not too far from Amarillo, never humid, actual seasonal temperature variation. Hope you don't mind Mexicans though.
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>>44073929
No you obviously don't get it:
You rely on others to maintain your independence.

A city of 20k which can provide for the needs of all of its citizens if better off than 4 cities of 5k each which need to constantly trade with each other to support themselves.

Independence implies you can depend on yourself. If you need to go running for help from some other city the moment you need something that's not the most general good possible, then you're not independent. Best case scenario, you replace all of the walmarts with a hoard of UPS drivers delivering your amazon packages.
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no you stupid faggots, it will be like the berlin air lift again some will get food some wont. Its communism what you guys are thinking.
captcha reeza
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>>44072542
I would be ok with that
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>>44074064

Listen, jackass, you don't know me from Adam. Just because YOU can't hack it without the support structure of a major city doesn't mean others can't.

Now go back to your shit Starbucks coffee and let the adults talk, lib-drone.
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>>44073825
It worries me too. My grandparents used to say that people came out West because they wanted to be left alone, and leave other people alone. And by and large, that seems to be true for a lot of folks who aren't in Seattle or Portland. The liberal problem is a hard problem because while I agree with them on some things, like protecting the environment of our land and supporting local businesses (see pic related), I disagree with them on a lot of other things, namely in their agenda to make thought crime a reality (like cracking down on people for following their religion). It's just frustrating to have outsiders trying to tell us to go one way or another.

Cascadia could work if we removed those outsider influences. Namely the Californian liberals who have fled their self-created wasteland and are now trying to spread it here from their hives in Seattle and Portland. Or as >>44073899 said, we could just dig a canal around the big cities and treat them like LA in Escape from LA.
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>>44074053

But not huge differences between the party that calls itself liberal and the party that calls itself conservative.

And 'average liberals' and 'average conservatives' are just that, the average of people who lean one way or the other. A minority of the country is 'average' in this way.
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>>44074058

Dumas is too big.
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>>44073713
So? Every state far exceeded denmarks or Bahrainis gdp but those nations have a much higher quality of life

If we took Rockies west we would have California, Portland, pueget sound, Vegas, Denver, salt lake and Phoenix.

Exclusive access to the pacific and massive tourism industries

Entertainment, silicone valley, Boeing, Microsoft, Apple, massive natural mineral and agricultural wealth.

The west coast would probably be a net exporter of goods because the eastern hq's. Would need to pay the west for our stuff.

I think we would be fine
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>>44074169

You don't move to a city to be left alone.

Pro-tip: socialism is a response to urban living.
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>>44074053
Your average liberal and your average conservative are not the liberals and conservatives in power.

Your average liberal wants less corporate campaign donations, while liberals in power receive billions and are doing nothing to stop it.
Your average conservative wants less government regulation of business, while conservatives in power are granting subsidies left and right and creating legislation to pick winners and losers.

Just because these guys debate on abortion doesn't mean they're so different. Their paychecks are being signed by the same people, after all.
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>>44074181
Not true, because you aren't here and don't understand what you are talking about. If you are on a proxy and American you need to go outside more often. Liberals and Conservatives percieve the world in different ways, they are literally diametrichally opposed by their worldviews and it becomes internalized as well as externalized. Moderates simply don't pay attention to politics but they still fall along what would be simplified as a psychological spectrum that would be better suited to either extreme in 9 out of 10 cases.
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Yellow - Westmerica
capital Seattle

Blue: Eastmerica
capital New York

Red: CSA (confederate states of america)
capital Washington DC

Orange: Independant Texas

Green:
New New Mexico
there, now (with the exception of mexico) we all have a nice breadbasket plus fun shoreline areas. also we can all laugh at the south when it falls apart because of no more welfare from the north
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>>44074225
You clearly didn't finish my post. I discussed why the parties are not representative of their votership in many cases.
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It would make more sense to split north/south.

But the south wouldn't be able to wipe its own ass and would begging to reunite within a decade.
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>>44074286

Then 'moderates' are the majority.

Tell me what liberals and conservatives believe, then. And tell me why the liberal and conservative parties can agree on almost everything, when you say their electorate differ on almost everything.
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Talking about splitting is pointless, all the split parts are going to be filled with leftist traitors who support illegal immigration/legal immigration/other destructive socialist policies.

Hell even most conservatives don't give a shit about legal immigration. Content to focus on the red herring of illegal immigration.
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>>44072542
I'm OK with this.
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>>44074158
I live in a town with a population of less than 3000 (Valentine Nebraska). Not only that, but I live on the outskirts with all of the other farmers, the least densely populated part of the town. You have no idea what its like lacking the infrastructure we do. You're the one used to city life. Your trucks are probably privately owned.

Oh, and even we have a McDonalds. And a subway, and some banks, etc. If you want a town without that, you'll need to move to one with <1000 people.
Nearest town to us has a population of around 240. Their highschool is the same as their elementary school. Some grades even double up on classrooms there.

Don't talk to me about the rural life
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>>44074336
That is off, who in the right mind would leave Kentucky, est Virginia, Indiana, and Missouri with fucking Illinois and the Northeast?
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>>44074336
>Implying New Mexico inst part of Texas

>Implying it would just be "California" encompassing so cal, Vegas, az, the Baja and Sanora

>implying the Mormons would declare independence

>implying the west coast from San Francisco to Vancouver wouldn't be cascadia liberal fantasyland
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>>44074429
so edit the image then
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>>44073188
>The current federal government is completely abhorrent to the ideals of the founders and the whole entire thing is too corruptible and should be removed permanently.
Exactly. We have become the polar opposite of the country the Founders envisioned.
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>>44074336
CSA-TEXAS Stronk, must expand terrorties.
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>>44073713
lol, dis kid doesn't know about California, 6th largest economy on the planet...
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>>44073810
Good idea anon
I grew up in a town 30-40 miles south of Houston, used to be small back in the 90s and early 2000s. Now us and the surrounding area are being swallowed up by the city. Strip centers, big name stores and worst of all minorities, city folk and their liberal ways. It fucking sucks
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>>44074495
>Exactly. We have become the polar opposite of the country the Founders envisioned.

That happened the second Washington decided 'no taxation without representative' was a good slogan, but not a good principle. That's at the Whiskey Rebellion, at the latest.
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>>44074423

What are you not understanding? I don't give a flying FUCK about lack of infrastructure. That's EXACTLY what I want you putz. The less infrastructure around the less government BULLSHIT I have to deal with and the more independent my family can be.

Jesus do you need this shit in crayon?
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>>44072542
I'm liking this to, but we would still have to deal with the debt first.
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>>44074544
then why is your state broke?

checkmate califag
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>>44074544
Most populous state in the worlds leading economic force, home of the largest industry (tech shit).
>must be good management
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>>44073682
God, you guys are stupid. California is already an exporter of federal money, we already pay in much more than we pay out, and our debt to gdp is actually better than Texas, by a lot, at the moment, and has been since I started keeping track in 2012.
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There is this simple solution, but it has its problems.
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>>44074598
Lol, California's not broke. Like all huge economies we run a meager deficit or surplus. At the moment we're running a surplus.
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>>44074544
East coast gdp is over twice as high as west coast gdp. NYC is the largest (maybe 2nd largest) financial capital in the world.

But in west coast defense, it's 3 states vs like 14, and the east coast has a higher population.
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>>44073954
>they both agree on at least 60% of the issues.
Whereas that 60% is how to further and deeper screw over and steal from the American people to suit their own personal interests. pic related
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>>44074573
>implying infrastructure can't be private
having a walmart is having infrastructure. Having Internet is having infrastructure.

Let me ask you, what's your population?
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>>44074708
Because they are all closet internationalists/communists.
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>>44074652
This makes my dick hard

But there would 100% be a war over Alaska (oil)

>cannamericans:not even connected to the CSA, muh environment, muh oppressed Inuits

>novo confederacy: muh cultural affinity, muh shared values
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>The left/right paradigm will never again find common ground, the sides are too polarized
Stopped reading.
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>>44074652
ftfy
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>>44074573
>I can be independent without infrastructure
Then why aren't you living on a self sustainable farm? Why are you even on the internet? That's not independence. You don't create your own bandwidth independently
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>>44074810
I would put most of southern cal with the texifornian Union

As a phonecian this gets my dick even harder

The rest of the country can go get fucking rekt
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>>44074708

That's what you get if you give your vote to a politician, instead of demanding that you cast it yourself when a matter of policy comes up.
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>>44074810
What did you even fix? Why are those three orange?
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>>44074336
>also we can all laugh at the south
There is no industry left in your Eastmerica, retard. The only welfare comes from the fed's printing press. The South would be better off than most of the rest of the nation if we could be rid of the parasitism of Jew York and the District of Criminals permanently.
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>>44074861
You mean the texmexiforcation union. You'd literally be part of mexico within a few years, as none of those states have the resources to maintain border security, and all of them utilize migrant labor for things like fruit picking.
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>>44074878
he split up canada, added quebec, and i assume the orange is new texas
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>>44073864
No, California is sub par at best. San Diego county and the far northern counties of California, and also the eastern Sierra Nevada are the only parts of California that are actually as great as people say
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>>44074878
Lol

>Eurocuck or ignorant east coaster detected
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>>44074735

Why the fuck are you so concerned as to what I want to do with MY life? Are you that lonely of a person??
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>>44074937
Texas would just be part of the red. T'f does it need to take NM and AZ and make its own?
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>>44074931

20 million Americans in souther California, 7 million in Arizona/New Mexico 30 million in Texas

>you'll become part of Mexico

Are you literally a stupid faggot?
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>>44074946
What?
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>>44075004
you're mexicans.
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>>44074544
>6th largest economy on the planet...
Not for long. They are almost out of water due to decades of mismanagement and changes in weather.
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>>44072472

I don't think the bulk of the country could pull this off. As a Texan I think we could likely go back to being a republic, but even then I don't necessarily want that.

It would be nice for the 10th amendment to be given more teeth, though.
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>>44074810
As a Quebecer, I approve of this message.
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I just want to remove all non whites/liberals.
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>>44074423
>Valentine Nebraska

Ah, Valentine. The rural BFE that had to move itself to the top of the adjacent hill because it kept flooding.

Nice little golf course where the town used to be, so I guess it wasn't all bad.
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>>44074594
>but we would still have to deal with the debt first.
Bullshit. Default. Fuck Wall St. and their parasitic paper shuffle. Hang all the employees of the fed for treason. Hang anyone who so much as lifts a finger in protest for treason. Create new commodity backed currency, preferably precious metals. Problem solved.
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>>44075017
If you don't understand why Texas New Mexico and Arizona would be different you are an ignorant retard.

>>44075021
Mexicans are 30% of the population and most are fully assimilated by the second generation

Keep your racial politics in the liberal eastern cities please
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>>44075027
Agriculture uses 80% of water and gives us 3% of GDP. They can take their cheap alfalfa and almonds and gtfo of the state.

At that point, our 1 year of water left becomes 8 years of water left and we're fine to get those desalination plants online, water crisis solved.
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>>44072978
SC here, I support getting the band back together.
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>>44074949
Go back to your original posts. You only used the pronoun "we." It was "we want this," or "we don't want that"

Now you're suddenly stressing the first person singular, since I pointed out you're not being independent. You collectivized your opinions to include others. That's not independence. At best, that's moving the goalposts
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>>44075110
racial poltics liberal?

ok, only thing that mexicans need is culture to be = to whites?

they are inferior in EVERY WAY HOW THE FUCK IS THIS NOT FUCKING COMMON SENSE ARE YOU A FUCKING NIGGER?
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>>44074753
>Because they are all closet internationalists/communists.
Bingo.
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>>44075110
That makes no sense, who cares about the mexicans? By your logic we should make Vermont red because they are all whites and Mississippi blue because they have so many nig nogs.
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>>44074661
You were on the brink of bankruptcy just over five years ago. I doubt you're doing much better now.
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>>44075004
Actually I was wrong it's nearly 10 million in New Mexico/Arizona

So that's ~60 million people in that area. 100 million Mexicans are going to gobble us up?
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>>44074810
>ftfy
Yeah this is a more accurate reflection of the people and culture.
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>>44074810
Colorado, Southern California, Nevada and Utah should be added to the orange region. If you say otherwise you have no idea what these places are like
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>>44075118
Why don't you take the ~15 likeminded states with you?
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>>44075094
I've lost over $12,000 to flooding in the last decade alone. It sucks because I used to live at a very high elevation growing up, and I never learned the dangers of flooding.

Fellow NE fag? Are you towards Omaha or more west?
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>>44075222
im canadian

i don't even know where those are on the map
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>>44075229
Because right now, our governor is too busy sucking corporate cock to even consider independence.
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>>44075222
They never do, people from outside the southwest think it's Cowboys, Mexican migrants and a bunch of hippies in Los Angeles

>somewhat true but the vast majority of people are mild mannered libertarians
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>>44075183
I will not share a nation with niggers.
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>>44075222
I live in IL, I saw a beaner yesterday, better add this state too.
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Divide the country into 3. California, Oregon, and Washington can form their own leftist dystopia. New York, New England, New Jersey and eastern part of Pennsylvania can form there own hell hole. The remaining states would form the third.
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>>44075204
Republican lazy ass governor and obstructionist republicans in the house and senate, thanks to Reagan's law he signed when he was governor that required 2/3rds majority to change any aspect of the budget. We were running a fucking 25 year old budget, full of shit like, free water for nestle and unlimited water for farmer fags.

Within a year, that deficit was turned into a tepid surplus, amazing what having a functional government can do for a state after 30 years of not having one.
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>>44075276
Deport them?
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>>44075277
Lol
>this nigga thinks we are grouping "Mexican states". Together

You are a fucking idiot
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>>44075135

Well pardon the fuck outta me. WE means my wife and I. WE want the same thing. It's kinda why people get fucking married in the first place - it's an equal partnership. Derp.
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>>44075208
And half of that 10 million are mexicans
Half of south california are mexicans
Not even counting illegals, why do you think it would be impossible for mexico to annex these areas?
There are more mexicans in them, than whites.
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>>44075222
better?
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>>44075320
Then what are you grouping them together for, the amount of cactus per square mile?
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>>44075348
>implying those mexicans want to be part of mexico
they left for a reason

because mexico is shit
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>>44075348
"why do you think it would be impossible for mexico to annex these areas"

Because we could buy their whole shit-ass military off for a shiny nickel.
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>>44075333
Well are you even aware of what it entails? Or are you merely talking out of your ass because you think this new thing you want to try will work out?

Like I said, what's your population? Have you ever lived the rural life? Are most trucks you see privately owned?
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Why don't we just annex all the blue states and prevent them from voting or something?
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>>44075393
As the population of whites enters into rapid decline, eventually the military will be a shadow of its former self.
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>>44075348
>why do you think it would be impossible for mexico to annex these areas?
JesusLand has a gargantuan stockpile of nuclear weapons and other military assets.
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>>44075423
This silly thing called the Constitution
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>>44075115

So if you only taxed farmers and other businesses for water, they would pass the cost onto the customer, and regular people could enjoy lower taxes.
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>>44075310
dont lump in that landfill of new jersey in there with the other 3
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>>44075314
Arnold saved your asses, along with the federal government and the rest of America.

Again, I highly doubt you're doing much better. You barely have enough water, lol. Your economy sucks. A businessman from the Midwest can set up shop in California and move all work back to the Midwest and save millions.
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>>44075375
Mexico sucks because their farms can't make any profits because California farms suck up all the water before it makes it to Mexico, and their trade agreements with the US makes it impossible for Mexican farmers to compete with American farmers, especially not close to the border.

If something like this happened, Mexico might want that water that originates in the rockies, and I almost doubt that those 3 states in a perilous agreement for self protection would be able to defend against it.
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>>44075435
>As the population of whites enters into rapid decline
Jesusland also has pretty decent white demographics. you're thinking of the fertility sinks our cities have turned into.
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>>44075359
Yeah but canada should remain blue. Its another country and I don't know much of shit about their culture.
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>>44075471
We're talking about splitting up the country here m8.
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>>44075359
>please stop I can only get so erect

>>44075375
This

>>44075348
Confirmed for knowing nothing of the southwest

For one, of that area only about 1/4 is desert

The rest is forested mountains or grassland

Secondly. Mexicans are not a monolithic group like blacks. Half of them are practically indistinguishable from whites minus there last names. And as I said they come here mostly to be Americans and are fully assimilated by the 2nd gnberation

These states are culturally similar partly because of Mexican culture but also because of frontier culture, libertarianism, conservative values etc. etc.

Demographically 70% of that country would be white and 30% would be "Hispanic". Which means 15% beaners and 85% whites
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>>44075508
the red ones are basically american

the dark blue is it's own thing anyways
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>>44075472
>regular people
>not customers
Please tell me of this unheard of majority of people which don't buy anything from farmers or other businesses. I didn't know a majority of people grew all of their own food
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There can be only one Jesusland. And it should expand into rural parts of the blue states.
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>>44075518
The constitution didn't become invalid the last time it happened, why would it now?
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>>44075543

I said that the farmers and businesses would pass the costs of water onto them, as they already do.
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>>44075538
Fuck off faggot.

I have seen Mexicans come into a nice city and turn it into a ghetto shit hole within ten years.

Mexicans are no better than niggers.
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>>44072774
In east WA. We have more in common with Idaho and Montana than we do with our coast and Cali.
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>>44075485
Sorry, New Jersey and Philadelphia are your problem.
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>>44075592
>I have seen Mexicans come into a nice city and turn it into a ghetto shit hole within ten years.
I grew up in Texas. I can confirm this happening to several cities I saw myself.
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>>44075472
Hopefully they'd gtfo of the state, because they're using space and water California can't afford to give and giving us nothing back but escaped illegal immigrant labor and "cheap" almonds no one wants so they're shipped to China, all because they're using water indiscriminately, because it's subsidized by the tax payers.

>>44075486
Arnold literally did dick. He presided over nothing, almost no bills passed, meanwhile he let the state almost bankrupt itself because he had the leadership capabilities of a spoiled child, throwing very public tantrums and sending coded correspondence to the state congress and senate telling them to fuck off and shit like that. The guy acted like a toddler in the office, when if he'd done well, he was almost assuredly going to be Republican Presidential nominee.
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>>44075574
So that doesn't make the "regular people" better off
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>>44075420

She grew up in a village of less than 200 people. I grew up in the country outside of a town of 15,000. The town has now doubled in size to 30,000 and enveloped the area I used to live.

So yes, we've lived the rural life and we both enjoyed it. We despise urban living. I don't give a flying shit where the nearest Walmart might be, we don't shop there anyways. We don't eat fast food. We don't need 99% of the shit this town offers and we don't want it anyways.
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>>44075592
Fuck of ive lived in the southwest my whole life
>inb4 Mexican

My family is 100% German/polish by way of Chicago

Mexicans are not even comparable to blacks. Are they as good as whites... No, but they don't bomb out a neighborhood.

Mexicans are poor but they aren't dangerous.

Go to a shitty Mexican neighborhood. The houses will be somwhat maintained, you'll see families, actual loving plants

Go to a shitty nigger hood and it looks like fucking Syria
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>>44075538
Only a small amount of hispanics can be counted as white
And even they are southern european.
If they want to be american, and are fully assimilated, then why are they such ardent democrat voters and illegal enablers?
>frontier culture, libertarianism, conservative values
It's 2015
Those haven't existed for decades.
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>the US will never collapse
>you will never experience post-apocalyptic-esque wasteland battles between warring tribes
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>>44074214
>we
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liberals should go back to england.
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>>44075667
>it looks like fucking Syria
kek
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50 small independent states. Sounds like a good idea but where have I heard it before? Hmmm...
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>>44075638
Go back to reddit you shit skin fuck
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>>44075675
The last two have expanded rapidly in the last 30 years. T'f you talking about?
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>>44075729
Difference is niggers
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>>44075667
>Mexican neighborhoods aren't dangerous

Opinion disregarded. You're a fucking idiot.

Yeah spics are do great that's why their country is a third world shit hole ruled by some of the most violent and sadistic people in the world.
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>>44075760
Yep. No niggers in the US, especially not in the former Confederacy.
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>>44075592

My experience with Mexicans has been so-so. It's not the ones that come here, legally or illegally, that seem to be the problem. They generally do want a better life and are willing to work for it.

The problem is their OFFSPRING. They breed like fucking rabbits and their goddamn kids are all dumped in these liberal indoctrination centers, also known as "schools", where their cultured and brainwashed into the "I'm a minority oppressed victim" by the democrap teachers.
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>>44073411
>the south
>highest rate of unwed mothers
>highest rate of teen pregnancy
>most welfare recipients
>highest divorce rate
>a bastion of family values
Put the kool-aid down, Billy Bob.
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>>44075737
Le "I have nothing and thus you must go back to reddit post haste" post.

Good Jorb. I would think someone who wanted to have an honest discussion would at least give credit where credit is due and admit that Gov Brown is doing a kickass job keeping the liberals and moderates in line and getting California back on a good path, but you can't even do that.

Go back to reddit indeed.
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>>44075675
No the only "mestizos ". Are just mislabeled native Americans and with enough generations they turn into Salina Gomez, Selma Hayek and that chick from modern family with the tits

They look whiter than Sicilians and Greeks for fuck sake

Treating them like they are niggers just plays into progressive liberal bullshit because they are trying to make another demographic voting block.
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If you think the states wont start wars with eachother then you know how us americans think
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>>44074928
>There is no industry left in your Eastmerica, retard. The only welfare comes from the fed's printing press. The South would be better off than most of the rest of the nation if we could be rid of the parasitism of Jew York and the District of Criminals permanently.

Then why is the south so dependent on the federal government? You know they get more than they pay in federal taxes, right?

Your main industry is disability insurance. The south would be knee-deep in its own shit within a decade.
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Please don't group the east coast with me. I beg you.
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>>44075654
She knows rural life. You don't. 15,000 is a significant infrastructure.

Also, rural american life is different than rural life in general. If she grew up in a village of 200, that's very different than growing up in a town of 200. Rural america has very low population density.

Its one thing when 200 people are living in a village close together. Its another thing when a town of 200 people is mass-production agrarian oriented. That's when everyone owns a huge farm and you need to drive for a mile or so just to ask your neighbor for a cup of sugar (which he may or may not have).

I'm just wondering what your basis for this idea is. The farm life isn't easy, and a lot more people choose to leave it than choose to join it.
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>>44075817

Remove the niggers and re-run your statistics.
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>>44075790
I ahead keep this up and watch liberals control the U.S. Forever because you choose to play into there racial identity game
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>>44075862
You forgot that the south is totally dependent on federal military contracts, that's all the 'manufacturing' going on there, and it's the equivalent of digging holes and covering them back up, because the military doesn't even want most of the shit they're producing, big items like M-1 abrams are being stored at a loss because we can't even find anyone who'll buy them from us at a loss.
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>>44075870

My basis is we desire to be self-sufficient... what more reason do you want?
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>>44075855
No, "looks" this is about race.
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>>44075862

Every time there's one of these threads, someone pulls this bullshit argument. Why do they get more in taxes than they pay? A number of reasons.

1) Niggers who won't work.
2) Having to feed and house all the goddamn illegals because your beloved government won't let them secure their fucking borders
3) Defense contractors. Look how many are in the South. Of COURSE they get a shitton of federal money.

I mean, are you really this fucking stupid?
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>>44074004
we built your kip of a country
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>>44075572
We would have about 90% of Pennsylvania.
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>>44075835
Every single post you made itt is Republicans fucked this up and Republicans fucked that up. It's reddit-tier hogwash.
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>>44076106
Are you retarded?
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>>44076006
Then go do it. You don't need to convince anyone else.

You need about 2 acres of land, 4 goats and 3 pigs. After a little bit incorporate chickens.
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>>44076106
>I mean, are you really this fucking stupid?

He's already implying that the liberal states are better, take a guess.
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>>44076155

Depends. Do red counties each vote 90% Republican?
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>>44075572
You'd have to take the Eastern half of Washington State into Jesusland
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>>44076265
100% republican or deportation.
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>>44076203

I wasn't trying to convince anyone, you're the one who started this whole goddamn argument trying to tell me what I will and won't like.
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>>44076106
>1) Niggers who won't work.

There are TONS of rural Whites in dead communities riding the disability train; don't kid yourself.

>2) Having to feed and house all the goddamn illegals because your beloved government won't let them secure their fucking borders

Really? You give illegals housing and food? Why?

>3) Defense contractors. Look how many are in the South. Of COURSE they get a shitton of federal money.

The South takes more than they give not even counting federal contracting dollars.

>I mean, are you really this fucking stupid?

If by 'stupid' you mean 'informed in a way you find inconvenient,' yes.
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>>44076283
Of course, same for Oregon and Cali.

Gerrymanding on a geopolitical scale would not be complete without liberating the right half of the West Coast.
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>>44076171

Are you? Disprove my argument.
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>>44076349
You are a good little idiot.
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>>44076265
What does that have to do with it?
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>>44072472

The new geographical divisions have already been picked out fellas- this is what they are-
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>>44076169
I'm sorry, is your thesis that Republicans are incapable of fucking up?

being so simple as to believe in either political party, what kind of d-grade shitter are you?
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>>44076329

So you mean that you only want counties that voted 100% Republican in your partition?
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>>44076349

Black unemployment rate in Texas - 11.4%
White unemployment rate in Texas - 4.3%

Since I easily tore your first statement apart, there's no point in further debating with you.

Move along idiot.
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>>44076439

If you're taking every county that voted 51% Republican, and yet do not permit any but Republicans in your new country, that implies a lot of ethnic cleansing.
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>>44076476

What is that image from?
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>>44076398
>You are a good little idiot

Don't be sad.
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>>44076578

FEMA
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>>44076345
Well then that's because your use of the pronoun "we" was too vague.
when you come onto a political forum like /pol/ and start throwing around the "we" word while expecting us to know specifically who you're talking about.
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>>44076476
Poor Idaho, Nevada and Arizona... getting stuck with the left coast fuck-ups. It's like in elementary school when the teacher would put you with the fat ugly bitches and spergy cucks for group activities.
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>>44076577
Voter suppression would do alright I guess.
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>>44076668
>The missus and I have been looking heavily at properties in Texas. As soon as finances permit, we're outta here. (I'm in Wisconsin)

In the very first post on the matter, I specifically identified who "we" was. Lrn2readingcomprehension.
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Oka
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>>44076753
>Ri-ar
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>>44076675
>Implying Nevada, Arizona and California (outside of the bay and Hollywood) aren't cultural identical
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>>44075817
Half the south will be Latino or black in a few decades. The white populations are degenerate sociopaths and viscous, infinity arrogant psychopaths with double digit IQs.

The Northeast is one of the most economically prosperous regions in the country. It has the best living standards, the highest average IQs, and is swimming in tech companies. I think the Northeast should merge with Canada and some of the more left-leaning states of the Midwest and Washington state/Oregon.

Once we consolidate our power we should move to invade California and exterminate it's selfish, narcissistic population and claim the land and resources as living space for our glorious nation.

Next we should firebomb the south east to finish off these retarded degenerate sociopaths and claim it's resources for our own.

We will leave the southwest alone, because they are breddy cool guize.

I imagine by doing this that we will raise the IQ average of this country by at least 5-6 points.
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>>44076614

You're not a FEMA-tard are you? I have no worries about an organization that couldn't even deliver water after a hurricane...
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>>44076814
They all three would be effectively ruled by Hollywood bay.
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>>44076825
>the southeast is full of racist evil fascist
>we should murder them all, because we are the good guys

God, liberals rationalize like women
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>>44076825
They are the degenerate ones?
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>>44076547
>Black unemployment rate in Texas - 11.4%
>White unemployment rate in Texas - 4.3%

This doesn't mean what you think it does. If well over 80% of Texas is White, which race do you think collects the overwhelming bulk of benefits?

>Since I easily tore your first statement apart, there's no point in further debating with you.

You mean, since you don't even have the halfass response above to the rest of what I said, huh?

>Move along idiot

Such butthurt!
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>>44074708

The picture - What on earth am I looking at?
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>>44076828

They didn't want to- Katrina was a once in a life time opportunity to conduct a sociological experiment for a perfect disaster scenario just to see what would happen. Those racially challenged individuals had more than enough time to evacuate it was the future they chose. They waited to assist until the time was right and they had their measurements.
>>
Arizona reporting in

Southwestern Confederate state when? AZ+NM+TX for glorious cowboy confederacy please

On a more serious note an actual confederate state (In the sense of confederacy, not as some backwards-ass dixie thing) would probably appeal to the antifederalists pretty well. Leftists might as well go Northwest and form their own shitty socialist republic, not my problem.
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>>44076950
That is how it works.
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>>44076857
Well maybe but people in Arizona are a bit bullheaded so I actually wonder how it would go.

I feel like that heavy dose of Arizona moxy would get the Californians who have been afraid to speak up for decades off there asses
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>>44076884
>the southeast is full of racist evil fascist

I never said anything about you being racist, I am racist myself.

I just think you are selfish, arrogant, and stupid much like the niggers you hate.

Infact that is probably why you hate them, because they compete with you on the lowest point in society.
>>
I see a lot of people squabbling in this thread over territorial disputes, but few discussing the mechanism to break up the union in the first place.
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>>44077049
It would be wonderful

All you need to know about Arizona is how over represented we are on /pol/ even though there are only 6 million of us

Where you at az bro?

I live in Scottsdale, work in Tempe
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>>44077104
Would the populations of Arizona, Nevada, and California be able to out vote SF, LA, and half of Vegas?
Either way Idaho is screwed though.
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>>44072472
Pic related is the only solution.
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>>44077147
>implying I'm from the southeast

I'm sitting pretty in Phoenix my friend.
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>>44077177

Tucson

We're honestly not half-bad as a state - Some really shitty gvt. but hey that's USA for you more often than not

Arizona is gonna be a decider in the future of America seeing as it represents a bastion of anti-federalism and radical southwestern culture: We only became a state in 1912 after they tried for so fucking long to get the jew-claw of the US government on us.
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>>44077147
So you want to live in a liberal nations yet you are racist?
I think this has to do with you wanting to be edgy more than anything.
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>>44076345
Come live in TN, it's nicer here and we have a ton of places with less than 1k residents.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Tennessee3.html
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>>44077211
Im in favor of this provided there is an economic and military union among the divided states/nations. Thats is our strength, our economy, and as long as we can keep the productive regions we can still maintain market superiority.
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I just want to form a fascist state show the rest of the states my superiority and incorporate them into the "True States of America."
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>>44077192
Well half of LA is conservative. And Nevada would be too if we could break the Cassino unions like Wisconsin

The Bay Area only has about 10-12 million people . I think the closeted conservatives in California and Vegas would be emboldend if az bros started filling here political landscape because as bros dot give a fuck about what people think
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>>44076950
>If well over 80% of Texas is White
Might want to check that if.
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Pic related should happen in our life time
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>>44077248
Well we may be a swing state as early as 2016

Which is awsome because our state cares about real shit like immigration, taxes, entitlements

Instead of the pablum that's at swig states argue over like new hampshires obsession with abortion and Florida just being full of out of touch old fucking retards

Also culturally we aren't politically correct or sensitive so peopel will just come out and ask blunt ass questions

It'll make national politics squirm I can't wait
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>>44077502
only if we deport all the anglos
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>>44077549

I'm looking forwards to it. Sadly most of the national attention we get is when the retards we have in office do something mind-blowingly stupid.
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>>44077664
It's always rediculous because it never passes just some batshit bill from a representative from like, globe or some shit.

The new media glomms ontu it like it has a snowballs chance in hell of passing or getting signed but the governor.

Cnn is like half the reasons people don't understand how laws are passed
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Northern Michigan independence. That's all I want.
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>>44077427
In 2012 CA+AZ+NV went 9,410,890 Democrat and 6,537,179 Republican. This is pretty hard to beat.

In a winning election like 2004 it went 8,036,199 Democrat and 7,032,810, which in those three states is a loss.

Overcoming commiefornia would be pretty tough.
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>>44077428
>Might want to check that if.

By the estimates most favorable to you, there are still almost 10 times as many Whites as there are Blacks, so obviously those unemployment percentages don't mean much.
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>>44072542
US would just dwindle into a cluster fuck like Eastern EU and South America. Do no want.
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>>44077549
You were a swing state in the 90s already.
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>>44072542
This

They're trying to divide us. Started with info gathering (why is your state the best?) then trying to manipulate states against each other (what's the worst state or something) now this.

Not going to work. The states are united amongst themselves more than any with the federal government.

I think it's because of the convention of states organizing to supersede the federal government with constitutional amendments.
They're at 27 of the required 34 to call the convention last time I checked. 3/4 vote required to amend the constitution. Main target is runaway federal spending.
conventionofstates.com

Don't reply to these threads
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>>44077012
>What on earth am I looking at?
Why the f35 money pit is the most ,over budget, shitty designed, failure of a project on the entire fucking planet and why it can't be shut down no matter how much of a failure it is. They did this on purpose.
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>>44078015
Already on board

I hope it happens but I'm also terrified it will result in some very bad outcomes because everything is up in the air.

Who knows what a 3rd constitutional convention might bring.

>>44077856
Yes it would but who knows demographics and politics change

>>44078006
But we half twice the population and the internal politics have changed quite a bit since then

Plus the 90's didn't have real problems
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>>44074336
So Green > Orange > Blue > Red > Yellow
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>>44073810
Growing up in a southern small town vs. living in a large city as I do today, I honestly see a lot more mom and pop shops here than I ever did in small town Dixie. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of things I miss about home and rural/small towns, but it's absolutely Walmart country. The big box stores killed a lot of the local culture.
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>>44078133
More like Orange > Red > Yellow > Green > Getting a cord caught in the wheel of a rolling office chair > blue
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