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>you need experience to get experience >what are internships

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>you need experience to get experience
>what are internships
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> for free
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What, you expect people today to go out of their way to make themselves better or more marketable?

HAH
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>we will make these goyim work for us, be our slaves and offer them "experience" but they won't get paid
>we shall call it an "internship"
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>>42033287
>2015
>doing it for free

Nigga you high?
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>>42034016
>dude i just want to learn how to work, you dont even need to pay me, just let me learn. ill do it for free
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>>42033287
Someone upset about janitor application?
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i'm sure something will turn up in the future where entry level workers will have to pay their employers to work for experience.
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Except internships don't help shit. Go look at a job online right now and see how many of them say
>at least 2 months experience needed
Fucking none of them do, which is the average length of time an internship lasts. The least... LEAST amount of experience needed for most jobs is at least 1 year and even those are at a minimum.
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>Working for free
>Starving and homeless because no income
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>apply for internship
>experience needed
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>>42034252
>in the future
http://internships.com.au/australian-programs/program-fees/
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>Enter grad school
>Look for internships because not doing thesis, just doing professional paper
>Get HAZWOPER 40h cert first semester
>Get internship with construction/engineering/environmental work company

Boss told me of the 124 candidates to apply, I was the ONLY one who had a cert they were looking for. Plus, I genuinely was interested in the work.

Protip here: get a common certification in your field. If you're lucky, local unions or teamsters do training for free as a community service.
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>>42034208
Because the 4 years of college were so useful...
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>>42033287
>>42033344
Most accounting firms offer paid internships if you don't live in a shitty state.
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>People don't want to work for free but think they're too good for burger flipping
The economy is getting better. If you don't have at least 3-4 years experience working before you leave college and you don't have any undergrad work your degree is worthless.
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>>42034469
>http://internships.com.au/australian-programs/program-fees/
jesus fucking christ. on top of that, they have the balls to add a goods/services tax to it.

i'm legitimately scared at the moment.
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>>42034566
>think they're too good for burger flipping
That isn't the problem. The problem is that those 3 years of burger flipping I did might as well have never happened in the eyes of employers in my field. Jobs these days ask for, and I quote...
>relevant experience
Face it. A job at Mickey D's is a dead end job.
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>>42034566
>The economy is getting better
is that what you read on the news?
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>>42034640
You don't know how to sell it then. If you can't turn a job making burgers into a job situation where you had multiple responsibilities and had to quickly learn new skills, etc you don't really want your new job. Polish that turd.
>>42034673
Maybe if you left your house and kept telling your mom that getting a job is so hard and she needs to send you pizza money you'd realize that.
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>>42034560

Paid internships are a job. Unpaid internships are what the thread is mainly focusing on.
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As an engineering student, I've heard of around 10 women get internships, and only one man get an internship.

I admit that it may just be confirmation bias, but in this day and age, it only makes sense to get your quotas in interns, who never do anything amyways. you hire the interns who stand out, then the super nerds who graduate with fucking laurels and extracurriculars.
All I want is a chance to prove myself, shitty school homework and exams are meaningless to me.
Maybe work is more of the same but the grass is always greener
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>>42033344
better than paying 40k a year + time spend in liberal arts bullshit classes
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>>42034548
You can't learn guitar just by reading a book, but the theory sure helps.
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>>42033287
Internships are a scam. So is sales or anything commission based (its obvious when they try to sell you the job).

Try getting a certification you lazy fuck.
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>>42034881
Sales work is not a scam. Sales has always been a part of the economy. Someone has to do it though.
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>>42034699
>If you can't turn a job making burgers into a job situation where you had multiple responsibilities and had to quickly learn new skills
>multiple responsibilities and had to quickly learn new skills
tell an employer that and they'll laugh at you and call you lying asshole
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>can't find a job
>decide to try internship to pad up cv
>find one
>"Software Engineering internship positions available"
>Excited
>"Unpaid"
>I don't care. It might lead to a permanent job
>"Master's Degree in Computer Science or equivalent field"
>"5 years experience"
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>>42033287
>unpaid internships
>literally having so little value in yourself that you do it for free

Unpaid internships are a scam, most of the time they will just pass off your position to some other intern because its much cheaper to just shill your company to college students looking to get "experience".
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>>42034749
>Maybe work is more of the same but the grass is always greener

If you are anything like me, work is so much better than school m8. But I guess its just because I always fucking hated school and I have a comfy position at a public high school maintaining the network and all computers.
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>>42033287
>working for free
Have some fucking pride.
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>>42034435

> not realizing the 'required amount of professional experience' is typically just a way to deter the would-be appliers from doing so

Some companies experience a massive amount of applications in a day/week/month. To try to thin the numbers down and hope for the most ambitious ones, they put wording up like that which makes most feel like they are inexperienced and walk away.

Apply anyways. If you make it, good luck. You'll need a good personality and a good solid foundation of the basic fundamentals of whatever field it is you are entering into. If you don't get a call back, what is the problem? You may have learned you did something wrong and you change it for the next time. Either way, you're getting one step further to being employed.

The moral of this little spiel is: just try and see where it gets you. Who knows, you may have landed a job or made it to last rounds of interviews.
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>>42035743
Seriously anything would be better than striving for high numbers on an arbitrarily poorly written exam.
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>>42034881

Working sales teaches you how to persuade people to be on your side of thinking. Regardless of how they come into the conversation, your goal is to get them on your side at the end. That is the only way to land the sale.

You just don't see the benefits of jobs that appear to be 'bad' in your eyes. I, too, used to view salesmen as cheats and swindlers. My own dad has been one his entire life. I finally realized there are some positives that come from the job, even if I disagree with what the position is.

You will always learn something from your experiences - the good and the bad.
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>>42033287
Internships are slave labor. Most won't even having you working in your field of interest. You'll be the office bitch.
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Internships that are found through a school are paid. Might be competitive though.
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>>42033287
Completely serious, I was applying for an internship today that listed a requirement for 1-3 years of experience.
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>>42036490
>might be

the young generation is fucked.
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>wont even pay someone minimum wage
This sounds kosher
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>have no experience
>job description says it requires a year of lab experience
>don't have but apply anyway
>during interview they ask about lab experience
>tell them I've had a black lab for almost 10 years
>everyone laughs
>good answer, they tell me
>don't get the job
True story
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>>42033287
>tfw you realize if there was no minimum wage you could go in and work for next to nothing while living at home and gain some experience and have your foot in the door compared to killing yourself trying to find any job at all let alone one you actually want to work in.

Leftists are so stupid and seriously fuck over everyone. Experience is more important than a college degree, and leftist faggot children continue to vote themselves out of work.
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>>42036095

it's not so much as to scare you away so much as they know they can get the candidate they want and they want experience.

Employers are lazy and don't want to take chances on or educate employees. They want someone who can do the job and has been doing the job. Also in the internet age they get hundreds of applications for any job no matter how shit it is.

This job has shit pay, is very far away and is in the middle of no where.
http://qz.com/352611/1500-applied-for-that-penguin-post-office-job-in-antarctica/

I will admit that isn't a good example of a standard job, and there are plenty of people who are willing to do that. But now no employer has to even remotely worry about finding employees.
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>>42034435
Some jobs even put on the listing that internships don't count
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How is an unpaid internship legal? Serious question, it just seems like having someone work for no pay is slavery which is illegal.
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>off shore entry level jobs
>real wages stagnate since 70's
>min 3 years exp
>cost of living keeps rising
>now expected to work for free for the opportunity to maybe secure casual employment

Yeah, fuck off.
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>>42037443
But the overwhelming majority of those applicants are unqualified.
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>>42033287
my company has recently decided to abuse the mortal fuck out of the internship program.

literally. yes, literally only managers and up actually work for the company.
the other 130 people, all interns from the local university. All 130 being paid nothing for the next 6 months. and at the end of their 6 months, the job they were kinda promised but legally wasnt, isnt there for them. in 2 months these 130 students will be fired and another 130 will be brought in.

>yfw only 25 people actually work for the company and are on payroll.


im sure laws are being broken, but at $45/hr, i aint saying shit.
tl;dr version

intern program is shit, dated, and needs to be scrapped entirely as its being abused and no longer serves its intended purpose.
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>>42037515

they still get 100s who are, so they wont even look at the non qualified ones
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>>42034016
I got paid 16$ an hour at my internship. Sounds like you didn't interview at a good company.

Too bad my GPA tanked after that semester. I'll probably never get another good internship.
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>>42033287
Hey, you guys remember when capitalism worked for the middle class? Yeah, that was because the rich were afraid of a real socialist revolution happening in the United States. The only thing America's rich understand is the fear of an imminent revolution.

If you don't understand that, they'll squeeze you until your nose is barely above water.
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>>42037322

Well, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
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>>42033287
why dont you work your way up from the mail room like i did you lazy ass?
thats right, suck the boss's dick in in the mail room and work your way up like a real man.
Its how your dad did it.
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My internship helped me realize I was in the wrong field. Luckily I found a job to hold me over till grad school.
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>>42037744

Then you're still working for someone else.

My aspirations are to work for myself surrounded by the people I choose to work with.

Enjoy always coming second at best.
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>mfw in a few years americans will pay for the privilege to work for their corporate overlords
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>>42033287
>expect me to work for free with debts up my ass because nobody wants to educate anyone anymore not to mention that the "intern" work I do is literally the same as the dude that never got an education and who barely knows how to start the computer whose dad works two floors up
This world is already doomed, if none is willing to invest in newly educated then don't fucking cry when none wants to get educated anymore

Unless you're studying social science, because then you might as well just hang yourself
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>>42036443

Yes, they are. So are illegal immigrants. Too bad our laws mandate that people can't be paid if their work is worth less than minimum wage.
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>>42037693
under rated post.

I'll add the kleptocrats love the war on terror because they can milk Uncle Sam for a pile of defensebux whilr not having to worry about a real existential threat.
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>>42033287
And what are student jobs?
And what are hobby projects?

Millennials are truly shit, and the reason I can't find enough skilled employees.
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>>42041526
It's funny that white collar worker bitch so much about this, I don't see technical engineers havong problems.
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>>42042769
>student jobs and hobby projects determine how good you will be at a job

Fuck off.
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>>42037443
>no employer has to even remotely worry about finding employees.

Utter nonsense.

IT positions are very hard to fill, for example.
All the kids play with apps all day long, but none of them know how to make them.
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>>42042819
My student job as a sports instructor taught me leadership and people skills.

The apps I made as a hobby taught me computer programming and project management.
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Pretty sure nearly every single job I've had has required 2-3 years experience. I've never had more than 1 second of experience and have always been hired.
Even once I got my b.sc. I went around applying and all these companies saying they wouldn't hire people seemed like thirsty fucks.
I dunno if I've just reached sociopathic tier or what but I've never had any issues with companies saying things like "2 years xp req'd!!!11!!" because they seem to forfeit that in a matter of minutes.
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>>42034699
>where you had multiple responsibilities and had to quickly learn new skills
and their response would most likely be
"How would you apply those skills you learned to this completely unrelated field which you have no experience in"
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>>42037527
Wow lol that sounds exactly like I'd picture it.
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>>42035582
>internships to get experience now require experience
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>>42037527
Are the interns learning something?
Or are they doing repetitive tasks?

If it's the former I don't see the problem.
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>>42037322
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>>42043173
That story is bullshit.

Anyone with 5 years experience in software engineering can find a payed job easily.
There is a huge global shortage and profitable projects are being scrapped because they can't find enough people to build them.
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>>42033287
I actually looked into studies on employment after internships.

Basically:
>Unpaid internship: Hired onto the company after the internship at a rate significantly lower than people who walked in and gave a resume
>Paid internship: Hired onto the company after the internship at a rate slightly higher than the people who walked in and gave a resume

Don't do unpaid internships unless you enjoy being a bitch.
Internships are fine, if they're paid. Unpaid is just exploitation and slave labour and should be outlawed.
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>>42042806
its cause they all move to germany and get priased as kings for being a "engineer"
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>>42043317
Your country has lost it's working force, you guys are mainly retail or call center workers, sitting in front of a PC from 9 to 5, and being replaced the minute you start to sneeze two times a day.
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>>42043370
well damn i guess i know what job market i should focus on seizing here then, Thank u mr german bless me with hard work pls
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>>42042839

bullshit, IT is easy as fuck. Good employees might be harder but in Aus there is no shortage of curry coders.

Also plenty of internships i've seen have you do data entry work, the sort of thing people used to get paid for.
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>>42037322
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>>42035582
I honestly feel bad for people who didn't get a trade.
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Why dont you set up a meeting
Shake the boss's hand with a firm hand grip
Look him in the eye and ask if he is hiring

How I got my job, I am on 120k and dating his daughter now after 5 years
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Soon you'll have to pay for internship like it's part of scholarship.
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>>42043399
>"Oh no, I have to learn how to use a wrench and can't be on Facebook all day long."
You guys wonder why your country is so fucked up?
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>>42034208
>implying any sane person on earth has ever thought this
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>>42043432
I know how to use a wrench and i hate facbeook with a passion which im very passionate about
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>>42033287
>paying money for a degree that does not make you a marketable employee
enjoy those 40 years of internships. the boomers are holding on and importing curries who can just make up their references and use fake degrees.
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>>42037693
Hey, you guys remember when communism worked for the middle class?

No me neither.
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>>42033287
Get a job at a recruitment company. They will literally hire anyone.

Work there for a year and then you have experience to go to another job.

This is what all graduates do in the UK. You will realise it when you finish university.

Recruitment is the answer. /thread
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>>42043432
>he thinks germany isn't on the verge of economic collapse
LOL
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>>42043539
Say the country that barely saves itself from bankruptcy every twelve month.
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>>42043500
Well, there isn't a middle class anymore, so it doesn't matter
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