>>40282467 - Feminists raised the age of consent from 7 in America to 16/18. - Feminists as late as the '70s suppressed scientific studies suggesting children were more active partners in adult-child sex than was believed. - Feminists have everything to gain. Men are assumed pedophiles, and women are never. Also, women get lighter sentences for these types of crimes.
See, the thing I don't get about pedo love is once the loli grows up do you just stop loving her? That's not fair to the loli and it mean you don't really love her and just want her as your personal sex doll.
>>40283017 If a pedophile can be attracted to a grown woman then why mess with a child to begin with? Oh that's right you have a child fetish and as soon as your loli sex mistress is of age you'll dump her and find another one.
>>40283214 Or get this, what if someone wants to have consensual sex with a 10 year old? What if the 10 year old wants to have sex? I was masturbating when I was 9 years old, so it wasn't like it's some mystery. With the prevalence of porn and sexual imagery in our media, it shouldn't come as a surprise that children are becoming aware of sex at a young age.
If that 10 year old would be able to understand the whole reasoning of intercourse that person wouldn't accept it. Simple reason one, at that age there is almost no sign of reproduction. And for them to be able to give consent they have to have a certain mind capacity and experience.
They could experiment with each other at that age group, but it is an experiment which no one should be known off.
>>40283261 just no. if there's one thing we're still able to control, it's our children. and laws regarding them. 10 year olds don't understand sex. they haven't even gone through puberty yet. we own em til they're 18 or 16 at least. little genetic slaves.
It is wrong. You have a mental perversion stemming from possible repressed trauma in your past. This atypical makeup causes you to be attracted to prepubescent children. I know you art admirer. I recommend you seek counselling for your illness lest you wind up in prison due to what is on your harddrive or by your actions. Pedophilia will never be acceptable in this society. Sane rational people feel a deep seeded need to protect the next generation from being exploited and hurt. You are on a dangerous path by being outspoken on your fetishizing of kids.
>>40284510 It doesn't need to be accepted. Over 90% of adult-child sex is never reported. But, since it was accepted for the majority of history and was only changed by feminists who you now blindly parrot I don't think you're right either.
>>40284533 >non sexual child Children can be sexually aroused well before puberty. Can you into biology?
>>40284602 1) I'm not a Christweenie, I don't believe in the supernatural, that's just the name I use for posting and 2) I support strong traditional families with a strong man as the head of the household and girls marrying early, if there's something wrong with wanting men to have control over their own families then so be it.
>>40284701 I've seen you make Christian generals you faggot. I don't care if an older man fucks a teenage girl. But only barbaric societies have ever condoned marriage to pre pubescent girls. That has no place in fagern civilization and it never wlll. The amount of training and wisdom required to be an independent adult in our high tech society has basically triggerede adulthood move from 18 to the early twenties as it is. I think the age of consent should be moved to 14 or 15 but there is no effective argument for liming that a pre pubescent girl has the maturity to consent and commit to a sexual or even non sexual romantic relationship
>>402823900 I don't recall the law stating "No adult may feel love for a child". I think its something more like "No adult may stick their dick in a child". I do disagree with how some people are trying to extend it to 2D, as if somehow a drawing can be emotionally or physically violated by a 3D person, or visa-versa, even though multiple studies have shown that media has no causal effect on peoples behavior.
>>40286264 Yes. Science. And philosophy, history, and anecdotes.
It's been posted before. I shouldn't have to remind you.
But I will.
On child sexuality not being harmful ====================================
Research -------- Susan Clancy: http://www.salon.com/2010/01/19/trauma_myth_interview/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Clancy#The_Trauma_Myth https://www.ipce.info/library/journal-article/trauma-myth
Food for thought ---------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Morality_and_the_Law http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/when-rape-is-not-rape
>>40282390 >used to hate pedo threads >browsing /b/, I see an interesting reaction picture >people start commenting how great the game is that the pic is from >"Huh, I should look into this game." >It's some German pedo game >"It's probably not that bad, has some good artwork and looks funny. What's the worst that could happen?" >4 days later, I'm a pedophile >mfw
>>40286466 It's just internet jokes/political jokes with lolis to hold it together and provide a coherent plot, don't take everything so serious. >>40286555 >Children are disgusting We'll, maybe that's your opinion.
I do recognize the thing is a comedy, that satires German politicians and pokes fun at cuckchan and internet memes. I don't mean that it convinced me that sex with children is 'correct' or right; I mean it actually m(ade) me attracted to the idea of it.
I don't have a problem with legal non nude images of QTs, aesthetics are able to be enjoyed by viewing on the internet without causing harm. People that fuck kids though, they can be burned alive for all I care.
>>40289756 Too bad being able to appreciate the consequences of your actions isn't a requirement for having sex. You just need to reach an arbitrary age as decided by the government of wherever you happen to be at the time.
Apparently in Spain maturity comes a lot sooner than for Americans. Or maybe the age of consent is arbitrary horeshit.
>>40286670 I've been there, man. Important thing to realize is, just cause you're attracted to kids doesn't change who you are, really. You don't suddenly become a creep stalking playgrounds and schoolyards just cause a little girl gives you a boner. I mean, you're still attracted to adult women, right? You didn't suddenly become exclusively pedo-sexual.
>>40290014 >Yeah, I'm sure it wouldn't go any further than that If the guy is actually looking out for the well-being of the girl, then yeah, he probably wouldn't want to escalate it. As the adult in the relationship you have to be responsible for the child's health, so that means not doing things that endanger them, even if they think they can handle it. Just like you wouldn't let a kid climb up on the roof and jump off even if he says he can land no problem. You have to rein in the kid's antics so they don't get hurt, but that doesn't mean you ban them from going outside or having any kind of physical activity.
>>40290049 One argument I don't see is parental rights. I wouldn't let my kid climb a roof no, and also wouldn't let them give an adult a blowjob. Anyone tries that shit on my daughter, I will love them.
>>40282390 >tfw Spain's age of consent is 12 and GT's age of consent is 18 >tfw girls get gunshot married at 12 here anyway, but I'm too much of a faggot to touch an IRL loli and I only fap to drawn loli while waiting for my wizardom to come in less than a year ... not that bad of a feel now that I think about it, really. And yeah, Unteralterbach is fantastic.
Still though, fucking spainards that can get away with sticking it into a loli. I doubt I would even if I could, but still, jealous as fuck.
>>40290091 If your daughter is of legal age (whatever that may be) you don't have any kind of legal claim over her for whatever sexual encounters she has, even if she's still within your legal custody. She's within her rights to sleep with who she wants, if she's of age, even somebody way older than her. As a parent you can do your best to discourage it, short of breaking the law, but you can't have a guy arrested for boning your daughter if they're not breaking any laws in the process.
As a legal guardian you can decide whether she can be married or not, at least.
You seem to have these ideas that all sex between child and adults is girls being raped penis-in-vagina and children being seduced out of their homes against their parents wills. Your entire premise is built on the notion that pedophiles are criminals who behave in a stereotyped manner.
In an ideal situation, a pedophile could just be upfront about it and get parental approval (which he technically wouldn't need, but it'd still be nice to be on the level with them). Losing the air of secrecy would also make it easier on the kid. It's not a wonder kids find early sexual experiences "traumatic" when they're constantly told how vile and despicable the act was, which makes them feel ashamed for it even though they did nothing wrong. It doesn't even matter if the kid was terrified during the act or mildly confused or even enjoying himself, once he sees people condemning it that much it will scar him permanently.
Why don't you people attack the people that are causing it?
people wonder why paedophilia is on the rise, well they are fucking dumb, it is right fucking there in our faces.
Kids aren't sexually active by nature, it is the fucked up cartoons and tv programs (PROGRAMS) that programs their precious minds that way, and that creates adults whose first sexual experience was from experimenting when they were kids.
>>40290187 >Kids aren't sexually active by nature Some kids are. I was pretty randy from a young age despite not having any video games or cable until I was 10. As young as 7 I was peaking on girls in the bathroom and trying to them to play a game of "I'll show you mine if you show me yours."
I never even saw pornography of any kind until I was in my teens, didn't have my first orpamperm until I was 14. I'd been masturbating for years without really understanding it, nobody ever explained shit to me. I learned about the word "sex" from the movie "My Stepmother is an Alien" when I was 11 years old, and my reaction is "oh, that's what that's called."
Granted this is all anecdotal, but you can't say kids follow a single pattern of sexual development or interest. And even if they do learn about sex at an early age, so what?
>>40290181 He technically wouldn't need parental approval? I can't wrap my head around this.
Just so we're clear: For you ideally you should be able to knock a person's door, ask them that you want to have sexual relations with their underaged daughter, and even if they say no, you don't technically need their parents approval.
>>40290229 You need to realise that your sexuality is formed when you are a child, children seek to copy adults, this means that what ever you were watching on the TV as a child helped form the way you are today.
It is not your fault, and the people responsible need to be arrested and brought to trial, that is happening now but progress is slow, because they are covering it up...
I'm watching the thing right now, and it's so stupid, I don't even.
He talks about "subliminal messages" that are not actually subliminal in any way. It's like he's only using the phrase out of popular culture and has never read a psychology book explaining exactly what a subliminal message is, because what he's describing as subliminal messages aren't that, and there is no "programming" going on there. And all the time he's saying "you wouldn't know it until it was explained to you", which means his whole argument falls on strawmanning. Seriously, just look at that discussion of the cover of the Lion King comparing the head of a lion with a scantly-clad woman - that's HIS image association. ANYTHING can be associated with ANYTHING ELSE if analysed enough. Same with all his "sign of the devil" hand things - which most of the time isn't even the "sign of the devil", as the goat is actually the index and the little fingers, without the thumb - with the thumb, it's "I love you" in sign language. Which wasn't placed there deliberately either, it's simply a way that 1) hands work and 2) a way to make the hands leaner, and thus more villainous.
And right now I'm seeing the dude talk about The Little Mermaid. How it's bestiality and idolatry and whatnot. It's stupid as fuck. He's taking a fairy tale and saying it is sorcery.
>>40290300 >>40290233 >>40290213 >>40290187 Look, I don't mind christians. We all need to believe in something as an evolutive defense mechanism against going crazy when facing the unexplained. But that second video is so stupid, I don't even.
And don't let me get started on some of the pictures at the beginning. Like the one from Monsters Inc. Pic related (previous post). Which wasn't really in Monsters Inc., it was created specifically for a re.weenieed article in Cracked.
>>40290291 ran by the pedo elites, jimmy sa-vile and others, just look at the fucking TV shows now for kids, little girls twerking and being hyper sexual. The clothes they have for little girls, if you OPEN your eyes.
>>40290300 they are subliminal to the kids that are watching them, and they don't give a fuck if adults can see it either, because you learned to shut your mouth if you know what is good for you, didn't you...
No, you would rather label it as a mental illness, or perhaps a persons sexuality, all that does is allows them to continue their satanic programming of children and gets worse and worse till it will be accepted as normal.
>>40290291 Like I said, I didn't even have cable TV until I was 10. I only had network shows that I was only allowed to watch for an hour a day. My parents encouraged reading, drawing, and playing outside during my early childhood as my primary means of entertainment.
Turns out it didn't work. Now I'm a recluse NEET who lives on his computer, I do nothing but watch anime, play vidya, and masturbate to loli porn.
>>40290248 >Just so we're clear: For you ideally you should be able to knock a person's door, ask them that you want to have sexual relations with their underaged daughter, and even if they say no, you don't technically need their parents approval. No.
He's literally saying that, if your daughter is of legal age, no matter what age is the legal age, a parent shouldn't have a say when it comes to the child fucking whoever she wants, because she and her partner(s) are legally entitled to do so.
Now, it would definitely be de.generancy, and you'd definitely have to be a good parent who guides his children in a very smart way in order for them not to be actually abused. But that's as much right if the girl is 8 as much as it's right if the girl is 18. Because believe me, there's many, many 18 year olds who are not responsible and mature enough to get to fuck - and some 8 year olds are more mature than said 18 year olds. Hell, than some 40+ year old women I know.
>>402903322 Except children haven't yet developed critical thinking sloves, and are incapable of seeing the full scope of someones personality, and how becoming physically involved may affect their lives. If life were perfect and everyone were kind and caring is the only place where this would be viable.
>>40290271 Except I didn't really watch TV until I was 11, since I didn't have cable and was only allowed to watch boring network shows for one hour each day. So I usually opted to do something else rather than waste an hour of my day on uninteresting shit. I was more usually outside, playing pretend with my brother and neighbor. Or reading a book. Or drawing.
And even at that age I was pretty perverted. I didn't really learn by watching adults, I just had urges which I didn't really understand. Like, I had no idea what to do with an erection until I'd gone through sex ed in middle school. All I knew is that I liked the feeling of having an erection and playing with it.
>>40290323 EXCEPT THAT'S NOT HOW SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES WORK
If your mind can't consciously decipher a message, it can't decipher it subconsciously either.
A subliminal message can be injected by, for example, pitches that the human ear can't make up but still catch. But for 2 frames to have something that remotely looks like the word "sex" or for a lion head to resemble a woman in her underwear - specially if you need to have it explained to you in order to get it - doesn't leave any subliminal information.
And before you go on, although I'm an engineer instead of a psychologist, my dad is one and I have a couple of friends who are psychologists too, and I've read a lot of their books and discussed this and many other subjects with them for at least 15 year or so now. So seriously, crack a book open and stop letting your pastor and the TV teach you things that have been thoroughly disproven as true.
Next you'll tell me playing a record backwards at 5.43 times the speed and hearing something that remotely sounds like "satan" influences you into satanism too. Let me be clear: it doesn't, as you're not catching the word "satan" unless you actively go and try to find it.
>>40290332 Of course I have no legal say when my kid reaches AoC. Nowhere did I say that. I'm asking as a father of an underaged child, what rights according to >>40290181 do I have to tell him to back the hell off if he comes on to my kid.
I already know my legal rights. 3rd party self-defense of sexual assault including rape and statutory rape is considered 'justifiable homicide.'
>>40290248 >I can't wrap my head around this. Not surprising, given all your other misconceptions. Not being able to understand basic facets of law doesn't surprise me at this point. You don't own your children. You have legal responsibilities regarding them, as long as you are their legal guardian, but you don't control them utterly. If a child is of legal age for sex, they can have sex. They don't need your permission. It's generally a good idea to have your permission rather than going behind your back, but legally, they're not obligated to get your permission. Nor is their partner. It's just considered polite and in most cases morally proper to do so.
>For you ideally you should be able to knock a person's door, ask them that you want to have sexual relations with their underaged daughter, and even if they say no, you don't technically need their parents approval. As long as the girl wants it, then yeah, I don't see why I need her parents to agree. Having them be cool with it would be a relief and would be preferable to doing it behind their backs, obviously, but if it were legal to have sex with a child, technically I wouldn't need the parents' permission, just the girl's.
>>40290385 Yes, but that doesn't count once your daughter is of age. Which is 16 in like half of your country, though 18 in the other half and the full area of mine.
So while you could, say, love some dude who's fucking your 16yo daughter in a state where 18yo is the legal AoC and self-defense laws are lenient enough, that wouldn't be valid in a state where the legal AoC is 16yo, as your daughter would be of legal age to fuck.
So the whole thing falls on age of consent. If it was 12, like in a bunch of places around the world including the one that's right in between yours and mine, and you and your daughter lived in said country, you'd have to suck it up once she starts fucking at any point after 12, just like you have to suck it up right now once she starts fucking at any point after 18.
>>40290385 You don't, really. But hopefully as the girls' father you'd have more influence on her life than I would, and she'd obey you if you told her to stay away from me. Since I am a law-abiding citizen and would not force a child to do anything, much less cause her emotional distress by making her disobey her father so blatantly, I wouldn't approach her.
As hard as you try to stereotype me and other pedos as monsters, we're just as capable of empathy as anyone else. I don't want rape or coerce a child against her will, nor do I want to cause her undue stress by straining her relationship with her family.
>>40290419 Let me give you a surprise. I don't think pedos are monsters if they don't act on their impulses. I'm against thought crime.
Ideally my daughter wouldn't have anything to do with sex until marriage, but as you said, I have no say past a certain age, and can only hope for the best. I can only raise her to consider all of the positive and negative consequences of her decision.
As of right now however, my kid is underaged and pedophilia is illegal. There are processes to change the law if you disagree, but that means if anyone tried something, their life is forfeit.
>>40290385 >I'm asking as a father of an underaged child In this premise the age of consent would be lowered to include children, so that they'd be legal. That's the hypothetical scenario. If this was the case, you'd have just as much legal rights over your children as you ever did, except now having sex with a child is legal so technically a person wouldn't need your permission.
That doesn't mean you suddenly have no control over your daughter's life and can't protect her. I mean, as her legal guardian you still have considerable power and influence in how she lives her life. If you wanted, you could put her in an all girls catholic school, safe behind thick, high walls from any roving pedophile. Never mind that anymore your average public school goes into lock down if a strange man walks on campus without visiting the office, she'd be safe in most suburban schools.
The real problem comes from how naive and gullible kids are, which makes it easy to exploit them. Which is why I personally feel it's better to get permission from parents, even if it's technically okay not to by the letter of the law. Parents as legal guardians are responsible for the child's well-being, and have a moral if not legal obligation to act in the child's best interest. So while the adult in a sexual relationship shouldn't do anything risky, the parents shouldn't let the child do anything risky either.
>>40290476 As I said, I'm a law-abiding citizen. I don't approach kids or even collect CP. I stick to perfectly legal drawings and written stories. I read up on the laws regarding these things quite regularly so I'm always assured of the legality of my actions.
Also much of what I discuss is hypothetical in more ways than one, because I'm such a social recluse I probably wouldn't approach little girls even if it was legal to do so, even if it was socially acceptable to do so. Just like how it's socially acceptable to approach adult women, and I still don't.
I think it bears mentioning also that I'm not exclusively pedo-sexual, I still find adult women attractive, but I'm just as abstinent from them as I am from children.
My advocacy for this kind of thing is more on a principle basis than any actual desire to pick up prepubescents on my part. As a pedophile I'd like to be less paranoid about my proclivities at least.
>>40290507 Well I'm saying this is what should be done in the best case scenario. I'm aware reality is far less ideal. Just like I'm aware that there are lots of pedophiles who are rapists. However it's difficult to say what percentage of pedophiles are rapists when any kind of child-adult sex is categorically rape regardless of what actually went on.
Still it wouldn't surprise me if most reported instances were actually rapes in the conventional sense due to sex with children being obviously and thoroughly illegal. For somebody to disregard that suggests a criminal personality to start with, you'd probably have a harder time finding upstanding pedophiles among that crowd.
>>402903699 you clearly don't know how subliminal work, they are subconscious, which is something like 90% of your brain that you aren't concious of, it is this area of the brain that stores the experiences you have learned throughout your life. How do you think mentalists like derren brown manage to convince a person to shoot at a target individual with a hand gun loaded with blanks?
>>40290576 Reread my fucking post. And install 4.chanX so your shit links properly already.
There ARE subliminal messages. They're messages delivered properly, but in a manner that your conscious isn't fast enough to process.
That's why I gave, as an example, pitches too high for the human ear to make up, but that can still be caught. Those work because you're getting injected with information without you knowing about it.
But the examples given in that re.weenieed video don't work like that. The stupid narrator is talking about hand signs that have little to nothing to do with satanism making you become a satanist, or about 2 or 3 frames of some twigs or clouds that, if you try hard enough, could more or less be read as the word "sex". They're too vague to work as subliminal messages. You won't catch them consciously unless you actively try to get them just right, to pretty much build them from nothing. That's why I said >ANYTHING can be associated with ANYTHING ELSE if analysed enough Because you're not left thinking of sex. You're left possibly thinking of twigs and clouds. Quoting myself again, >for 2 frames to have something that remotely looks like the word "sex" or for a lion head to resemble a woman in her underwear - specially if you need to have it explained to you in order to get it - doesn't leave any subliminal information
>>40282390 >Thinking sex is love It's not. You're manipulating children into having sex with you.
Love is what a child feels for their parents. Parents don't manipulate their children into being fuckslaves. "Oh you want me to feed you? Let's have sex. You want me to love you? Let's have sex. You want to marry someone and have children when you grow older? Well it'll have to be me, otherwise I don't love you anymore. My love is conditional." said no worthwhile parent, ever.
On child sexuality not being harmful ====================================
Research -------- Susan Clancy: http://www.salon.com/2010/01/19/trauma_myth_interview/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Clancy#The_Trauma_Myth https://www.ipce.info/library/journal-article/trauma-myth
Food for thought ---------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Morality_and_the_Law http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/07/don_t_pooh_pooh_the_left_s_push_to_normalize_pedophilia http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/when-rape-is-not-rape
On pathologizing and discriminating against pedophiles ======================================================
Research -------- http://www.sexarchive.info/BIB/pedophilia.htm http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light http://phys.org/news166769376.html http://phys.org/news132400968.html http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115 http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/07/don_t_pooh_pooh_the_left_s_push_to_normalize_pedophilia http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/pedophilia-the-next-sexual-rights-revolution/
On legalizing child pornography ===============================
Research -------- http://phys.org/news/2010-11-legalizing-child-pornography-linked-sex.html http://phys.org/news166769376.html http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/child-porn-witch-hunt/legal-child-pornography-reduces-child-sex-crimes-milton-diamond-hawaii https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_child_pornography_and_child_sexual_abuse
Food for thought ---------------- Falkvinge: https://falkvinge.net/2012/05/23/cynicism-redefined-why-the-copyright-lobby-loves-child-porn/ https://falkvinge.net/2012/09/07/three-reasons-child-porn-must-be-re-legalized-in-the-coming-decade/ https://falkvinge.net/2012/09/11/child-porn-laws-arent-as-bad-as-you-think-theyre-much-much-worse/
Hate to tell you, but you were always a pedo, just like 90+% of all men. You have just been beaten over the head so much with the "OMG IT'S WRONG AND EVIL" stick that you suppressed that side of yourself.
We let children do dangerous and painful things absolutely all the time. If a 12 year old girl and sail solo across the Atlantic, then she can take a dick, or stick their dick in a pussy or whatever.
My position is that it should be fine, but the consent of both the child and a parent is required. In that case, it probably still won't happen much.
>>40291734 >dangerous and painful things Sex is not supposed to be dangerous and painful you subhuman trash bucket.
And there's the problem that men are often sex-hungry so they'll have incentive to manipulate children with regard to sex, when they don't have this incentive with regard to sailing across the Atlantic.
You're not going to convince anyone with shitty arguments like those.
The only way to go about pedo rights and legalizing child sexuality is to embrace feminism and all that jazz, disempower men with regard to sex, create a culture where no men with predatory sexual behavior are tolerated at all, regardless of whether they behave that way against adults or children.
The "lel let them do risky stuff" attitude is not a particularly positive one.
>>40291760 >Sex is not supposed to be dangerous and painful you subhuman trash bucket. I didn't say it was. I said that it is hypocritical that we say "you can't have sex" when we let them do stuff that has a good chance of causing death or bodily injury.
Why can't children dying from cancer have sex? They have no long term lives to fuck up, and it feels good in the present.
>>40291780 >and it feels good in the present Firstly, normalfags don't know that and will have a difficult time accepting it even if you show proof. Secondly, "only because they think it's OK." A child can "learn" at any moment that sex "is" horrible for them. It's not like there's some magical age limit after which they realize that all sex they had before that day was awful.
>>40291786 >Parents push their kids to do shit like this all the fucking time. Including pushing them into sex so they can become child actors and fagels. It's news to me that parents push their preteen children into sex to become actors. Regarding any other examples of dangerous behavior you'd give, whatever incentive they have for that is not the same kind of incentive a man has with regard to sexual gratification. Sexuality is vilified and demonized in contemporary western (and many other) cultures.
You can't hope to change normalfags' minds without understanding their mentality first.
>>40290091 Ayo, the "parental rights" argument is the argument I take as opposed to the "hot pocketsdom for everyone" argument. I think it should be a man's right and responsibility as a father to decide when his daughter is ready for certain activities and not leave such important decisions up to the State. If a man has sex with a girl without her father's permission that's rape and grand theft.
>>402824299 As I've pointed out repeatedly, the advent of AoC laws predates feminism by many centuries, and the raising of the age correlates with the transition from agrarian societies to urban-centric industrial societies, in almost every society with AOC laws.
Your attempt to tie baggage to your pet cause by associating it with something unpopular is only going to work on people who can't look shit up for themselves.
I am not certain what you are trying to accomplish.
>>40291760 >The only way to go about pedo rights and legalizing child sexuality is to embrace feminism and all that jazz, disempower men with regard to sex, create a culture where no men with predatory sexual behavior are tolerated at all, regardless of whether they behave that way against adults or children. This is one of the stupidest sentences I've ever read. The solution is to empower men and disenfranchise women, not further feminize society. >>40293172 >a daughter is her father's property Yes, this is true, good job spelling it out.
Not a child-lover/child molester myself, but it always strikes me as odd that people treat pedos as the main danger to children. Seems like every day I read a new story about some 40-pound 10-year old starving in the basement, or some kid who tragically ended up in thug crossfire, or some parental punishment gone too far.
Sometimes you have really bizarre situations involving idiots and sexual abuse (recent cases include a mother who ripped her child's genitals off, and a woman who used a vibrator on her crying 2-year old son's anus because "it makes me feel good, I thought it would work for him too"). However people pretend that the majority of child abuse is coming from pedophiles who like to look at images of kids privately, none of which they will ever meet in person. Out of this tiny subset of people, only a fraction of them will actually harm a kid. Seems like some misplaced fear to me.
>>40293113 Feminists or proto-feminists were an integral part of age of consent laws in the United States. They took the form of Womens Temperance movements who were essentially grass roots organizations that lobbied for prohibitions against all forms of "immorality" which included prostitution, gambling, and the sale, consumption, and production of liquor. By no means were these "temperance movements" the only ones advocating this, but they were at the forefront of things and were one of the earlier examples of women taking an active hand in jews pre-suffrage, which is why they are often described as feminist or proto-feminist by fagern feminists.
At any rate, the larger reason that age of consent is what it is, has to do with the advent of psychoanalysis and the myth of innocent childhood that it fabricated. Essentially, the age of consent is largely a product of a desire to insulate children from the world, and the desire to stamp out prostitution merely added an immediate practical excuse for raising the age of consent.
Prior to the 19th century attempts to restrict sex below a certain age were implemented sporadically and with rare success, because they often came from idealistic moralizers rather than stemming from actual societal need (like trying to stamp out prostitution) or an intellectual zeitgeist (like psychoanalysis). I could go on for ages about how damage psychoanalysis has been to the roles and lives of children, but it's pretty tangential to AoC stuff.
>>40293320 The fact that child-adult sex is categorically illegal means that the kind of people who willingly engage in it are going to be criminally minded from the start. So your pool of pedophiles who have sex with kids is going to be heavily spiked with sickos and psychos from the get go. That's what happens when you push an activity to the fringe of society. People associate heroine with criminal activity because heroine is illegal, so by buying it, making it, or selling it you become a criminal and are forced to deal with other criminals. If it were a drug you could buy in a store in a safe suburban neighborhood it'd at worst be seen as a personal vice.
>>402829188 No. It's not about the age of your partner it's about love. I'm 35 and my wife is 22 we've been together for 9 years. I met her on vacation in Spain when 13 was legal and we've been together ever since.
>>402824977 Just some fact-checking: >- Feminists raised the age of consent from 7 in America to 16/18. It's only known that it was 7 in Delaware in I think 1895. You gonna need some citations for any other US states than that. >Feminists as late as the '70s suppressed scientific studies suggesting children were more active partners in adult-child sex than was believed. You gonna need a citation for that. >Men are assumed pedophiles Huh? Wrong. >women are never Also wrong. If you spent time on .onion land you'd quickly learn of the infamous pedomom who triggerede CP of her daughter. Got the same treatment anyone making CP gets. >women get lighter sentences for these types of crimes You gonna need citations again. There's no reason they'd get lighter sentences for equivalent crimes. It would be very unsurprising though if they offend much, much less often than men.
Sadly, rapist behavior is still ingrained in male humans, as a fragment from our mammal ancestors. You gotta keep that under perfect control first, then you have the right to make pro-pedo arguments.
>>40293883 You can have sex with children without hurting them. If you genuinely love them, respect them, and care for them, then there's no reason they'd feel bad about the sex, if it weren't for the surrounding culture making such a huge fuss over it.
>>40295878 I can't say I approve of aggressive spamming and |pol|-tier shitty arguments, but look at the stuff in >>40291658 and >>40291685 and acknowledge that not all men live out their sexuality through predatory desires and instead feel genuine love and respect for girls and women they're sexually attracted to.
After that you'll understand that it's not just a troll argument to say that men and little girls can have healthy, beautiful relationships that include gentle sexual contact.
>>402831944 ofcoz older man can love 10y old child, but in one case: he is her/his grandfather. otherwise, if man falls in (erotic)love with a child, it means he is fucking-walking-disaster. hormone problems or mental illness. or he is so so so pitiful, that every normal woman would not even look at him. you can "love" (whatever that mens to u) whatever you want - but do NOT touch. respect our culture, or go somwhere else: marry 14y old gypsy, or islamite girl (if u are muslim rich enough)
Pedophilia is defined by the DSM as a mental illness and concerns feelings of a romantic nature for minors and the absence of any feeling of guilt. They simply cannot tell the difference between love for a child and an adult.
A molester is not necessarily a pedo but can be. They are someone who has committed a sexual act against a minor who cannot legally consent because they are before the age of responsibility, hence statutory rape.
The lines blur when you consider what sort of relationship a pedo may pursue but pedophilia is not, I repeat, is NOT illegal. It does not break any laws to romantic harbour feelings for a child. That wont stop the locals from beating the shit out of you if you walk down the street kissing an 8 year old though.
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