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Gods do not exist.

No, that wasn't a typo. Gods do NOT exist. There is no such thing as a deity.
Right now I know what you're thinking. "LOL look ad dis fuggin dtoopid budoruh, I'll just post sum fat doods in hats! Dad'll shud dis fuggin adeist ub!". Well it won't. It won't because I have a key piece of info that you all need to know:
Atheism is the true redpill.

Yes, you read right. I know it's hard to swallow, I know it's hard to accept that your pathetic human lives mean nothing and that there is no all-powerful magic man in the clouds that loves you no matter what, but it's a pill that you'll have to take. Only a complete fucking idiot would believe in God in the modern age, anyway. There is absolutely no evidence of any sort that any sort of deity exists, this is a fact, a fact that you religious neanderthals seem to love ignoring.

And I'll stop you right now, you anon that's about to call me a degenerate liberal socialist or maybe even a newfag just because I don't subscribe to your ridiculously antiquated idiotic 'system' of belief. FYI I'm apolitical so all of your generalizing excuses for insults won't work on me.
Now I'll just let all of you ignorantly post ad hominem and fedora memes at me as you vomit up the red pill that you can't and will never be able to swallow.

>>39712729
>"If it is supposed to serve a purpose Paganism needs to be an ideology, not a religion, and the gods and goddesses must be seen as a role models to us and not as actual beings of any kind."
Disgusting

>>39712729
>the gods and goddesses must be seen as a role models to us and not as actual beings of any kind
Well, you're fucked from the start if that's your goal. That's as ridiculous as the "Satanists" who don't really believe in the existence of Satan.

For the most part, acceptance of ideology flows from religious belief, not the other way around. The only people who would follow this sort of atheistic paganism are those who already agree with its message and just want to look cool. You won't win any converts from Christianity unless you present a compelling supernatural narrative to compete with the story of Christ and salvation. For paganism to succeed, the old gods have to be as real as the Christian god is to his followers.

Once you get a dude to believe that Odin is real and is pissed at him for having worshiped a foreign god, he will naturally come to accept a volkisch worldview.

>>39712942

Did you bother reading the first sentence of the OP you fucking faggot?

>>39712729
>(pre-christian Gothic/Visigothic music)

Nice

Here's some Wardruna https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjmu6ufn8iU

>>39713165

Rotlaust tre fell is such an epic fucking track.

This is another great track that pays homage to the Old Gods, though in a mournful, melancholic way:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8eenMSE4FM

>>39712729
>>39713140
I don't think it matters whether or not the gods exist, as long as you believe in the examples they set.

Paganism shouldn't be a rigid subset of rules and things you can and cannot do, or things you can and cannot believe in like the abrahamic religions. Paganism should be a culture and way of life rather than a religion.

Personally i believe in the gods, and the gods of all other faiths, i think that much can be learned from them, but i stay true to the gods of my european ancestors.

>>39713140

>this sort of atheistic paganism

Paganism was always atheistic in that there is no evidence anywhere and every suggestion that the European pagans never believed in actual "gods," ever. They were supersitious in the animistic, sympathetic magic kind of way, but very few but perhaps the most spiritually absorbed would ever say the gods were literal beings and even then it's extremely dubious that anyone ever literally believed Zeus and Thor literally caused thunder and lightening or that Loki literally stole your hair comb or that Ares literally goaded Rome into war.

A god being a literal entity with some sort of universal anthropomorphic persona is a rather uniquely Abrahamic idea. Even the monotheists that preceeded them, the Zoroastrians, were more mystical in their understanding, with Zhura Mazda and Ahriman being dualistic forces rather than literal personalities.

It just goes to show you how utterly fucking perverted the Abrahamic faiths have cause the European culture to become, where there are millions upon millions of men, women, and children that LITERALLY belive a Semitic warrior God interferes with every aspect of their daily lives and is a personal entity present in their corporeal affairs.

It's.....fucking insane.

Literally.

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>>39713407

>Paganism shouldn't be a rigid subset of rules and things you can and cannot do, or things you can and cannot believe in like the abrahamic religions.

The Abrahamic religions are in direct opposition with healthy, sane culture and way of life.

Original Sin and Salvation through some emasculated pathetic counter-culture Rabbi is a perverse, disgusting, anti-human Semitic idea that has no place in European culture.

>>39713587
This.
We should honor the gods with our actions.

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What is the point of paganism when technocratic transhumanism is so incredibly superior?

The human race is infantile and on the precipice of a technological singularity that vastly, unbelievably accelerates our understanding and enjoyment of this universe.

Why should I care about the Old Gods when I will be able to engage in simulations of any universe my intellect can imagine?

Shouldn't we be focusing more on science and technology and not whether or not we're good old paganish people in villages or whatever?

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>>39713868

Varg talks about this

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo6c58lt7KQ

Basically, you're welcome to trust that governments and corporations have your best interests in mind and somehow you, the pleb is going to enjoy all of the coming technologic shit, but can you REALLY be sure we're not heading for a collapse? And even if the elites and scientists and such DO make all these wonderful technologies, how the fuck are you going to get ahold of them? Your shitty wage slave earnings?

Seriously, I'm curious how you think you're going to get anything out of this "singularity" when the elites OWN YOU and EVERYTHING AROUND YOU.

>>39712729
> thread theme
> not jesu tod

>>39713504

There's a theory that argues Judaism came about when the Persians forced Zoroastrianism on their Levantine suzerain, and that the voice of the jealous Yahweh demanding absolute loyalty is really that of the Persian Shah to his new subjects.

Also, Socrates was accused of atheism because he believed the gods were just local legends that grew into myths. This would suggest it was normal to believe the gods were indeed actual beings.

>>39716423
The ones on the right are non-European

>>39712992
Nigger Jew gods are disgusting like yours

I feel a deep connection and sense of belonging to my native and local landscape.The forests, the trees, the desolate marshlands and fen, the open windswept beaches, the vast, grey sky. I have tried to move away several times, but I always come back to it. There is great beauty everywhere and while I can see it isn't for everyone (the openness can cause a kind of sky-madness and it does feel a bit ends-of-the earth in the winter to non-natives) but this land is mine and I am a part of it. There is a timelessness to it, and when I'm walking I feel I could be a man now, or a man a thousand years ago, walking the same landscape. There is such a great profundity to it, I find it hard to express properly. This is my land. Feels pretty pagan to me.

>>39716106

Technology will become cheap and abundant enough that you can't stop it, it will be everywhere.

Fucking smartphones were unimaginable magical devices a mere 15 years ago, now they are ubiquitous, even in the developing world. YOU CAN LITERALLY HAVE NEARLY THE ENTIRE SUM OF HUMAN KNOWLEDGE AT YOUR FINGERTIPS ALMOST ANYWHERE, AND IT FITS IN YOUR POCKET.

>>39716423

The guys on the left are dressed up in queer dress that sets them apart from the "profane" masses, separating themselves from their "own" people. They are foreigners in their own lands, because they belong to the Semitic god of degeneracy and not their own people's local myths and traditions.

The ones on the left are dressed normally for their local culture, engaging in and venerating their communities and people actively.

Dumbass.

oblifatorius:

http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/vikings-pagan-christian-synthesis

>Three questions seem to arise here. Should we return to the faith of our ancestors? Should we save Christianity from itself? Or should we overcome both Paganism and Christianity with a futuristic religion that would set space conquest as our "Manifest Destiny?" (I'm leaving aside the question whether we should stick to materialistic Modernity. The absence of Transcendence of the latter obviously argues against such an option. If the status quo was a viable one, our legacy would be guaranteed.)

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>>39716743

I'm the technocrat and I think science should be our religion, it's certainly mine. And I mean that, I'm not an atheist at all, I believe in the scientific method and the pursuit of advancing technology on a spiritual level, as if it's the entire purpose of humanity and indeed the universe.

I mean, WE'RE SELF AWARE MATTER. In my religion, the only point to being self aware matter is to continually push your ability to manipulate matter and your own experience of the material universe.

Seriously. It's my religion, and it should be yours too.

Why are modern pagans such big faggot neck beards?

/thread

>>39716657
>>39716423

Oops, I meant the ones on the RIGHT are dressed normally for their local culture, engaging in and venerating their communities and people actively.

Pagans are life's underachievers, yet feel a smug sense of authority if they can shut themselves away from the world at night and wish bad things upon people while staring at a lit candle through the smoke of cheap incense. In their mind's eye, they look like the cast of characters in a Whitesnake video, and feel like an otherworldly warrior if they have a decorative sword from the Franklin Mint on display above their collection of Budweiser limited edition NASCAR cans. They shirk responsibility and refuse to try furthering their own lives through hard work and accomplishment, believing instead that they may bend the will of the universe to attain higher footing in life. And when they're not spinning their tales of glory and magic, they're preparing your Double Whopper.

>>39713504
I can't speak for the nonclassical religions but for them when they looked at the sun they saw both the sun and Helios, when they looked at the sea they saw both the sea and Poseidon. For them the gods were real, the supernatural was the only explanation they had for the natural they couldn't understand. And for the Norse and celts, it was probably the same, they built shrines and temples for gods they believed were real, not for abstract ideas or "inside jokes" that would be even more crazy if they did it all ironically.

>>39716896
Adeptus Mechanicus pls go.

>>39716423
Kek, yeah, stupid D&D faggots.

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>>39716657

>>39716896

again, like I said that's all well and good but you're putting a massive amount of faith that a solar storm isn't going to come within the next 10 years and fuck up the sattelite grid and all the unshielded electronics on earth, or some other global catastrophe, or the basic fact that governments and corporations might just completely lock up those technologies for themselves or actively use them against you without you having any say in the matter.

Paganism is at least the basis for having a sane and meaningful society if all that dream techno doesn't happen just how you like it.

And frankly, techno-spiritualism or whatever you're pushing isn't going to defeat the Abrahamic monster in Europe, but Paganism can give all the regular people a new (old) way of life that builds communities and families in a healthy and self-sustainable way.

Look at my pic. How many years do you think it will be until humanity has complete control over the weather? 50 years? 100? Think about it. Think about how much insane amount of energy is in our own atmosphere, and tell me honestly if you think humans are going to be able to control nature any time soon....

>>39717019

We have no evidence of this at all. We DO have evidence that they believed in sympathetic animism, but we have copious proof to the contrary that they believes they were literal creatures, as evidenced by the fact that the myths were constantly changing, and sometimes conflicting myths were told side by side. There was never any central pagan dogma anywhere in europe or northern africa until monotheism established "rules" of who "god" was.

To the pagans, it was "real" in the sense that they has an animistic spiritual understanding of nature, but from the evidence, there's no reasonable way to say that any significant number of pre-Abrahamic pagans believed in the gods literally.

Christ is older than Paganism.

>>39717390

kek b8

I will say this: You can't claim to be white and yet follow any of the Abrahamic religions. They come from the recesses of the desert and we all know what it's like over there.

>>39717501

The Crusades were just the antiquity version of zionism and Catholic Europe was basically just the Jewish puppet state that the USA is today.


>YES GOYIM, GO FORTH AND FIGHT FOR OUR HOLY LAND, CAST OUT THOSE FILTHY SARACENS SO THE JERUSALEM MAY BE PURE AGAIN FOR GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE!

It's a story as old as time.

>>39717754

White people never learn do they. They are Semitic puppets for thousands of years now.

Seriously white people, are you that fucking pathetic?

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>>39717754
Sssh.

You'll upset the Templars on here.

I'm hoping that Autistic guy shows up posting his gains and calling himself a very specific '6'2, 200lbs, 7% body fat Templar of /pol/.'

Seriously, he posts it every now and again. Faggot. The whole idea of Noble knights is a lie. No better than mercenaries/walfare queen MUHRINES

>>39717002
>>39717002
Why can't I hood all this projection?

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I have a hard time taking modern pagans seriously for a number of reasons. First and foremost is the complete lack of anything resembling a formal, organized faith, it has no priesthood to oversee the growth and maintenance of the faithful, it has no holy book which details it's theology, rituals, prayers etc, there's no temples/churches/whatever where they can congregate and build a community and Paganism has been non-existent in the west for centuries so modern pagans have no foundation within society to structure or build their faith upon.

Secondly is the fact that many Pagans to me seem to be embracing it not because of a genuine sense of belief but because they hate Christianity. I rarely see Pagans discussing their faith in the same way Christians do, the only time they seem to enter any sort of religious discussion is to bash Christians for worshiping 'a kike on a stick'. The whole thing seems like an anti-Christian fad that is going nowhere because Jesus bashing is all they have going for them.

Inb4 the crazy anon who thinks Odin speaks to him and sacrifices sheep

>>39712942
Lmao try to read the post first.

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>>39713868
But science is just a model we made based on what we can observe. With that model, we can do a lot of things, like send a rocket to space, but the model itself explain nothing about the true nature of its basics.

Do you doubt it? Okay, then explain to me what an electron actually is. (and please dont tell me its a tiny ball of matter because thats stupid, thats just used to represent the model in a graphic form). When you do that, you can try to follow by explain to me what electromagnetic forces actually are, or even more hard, gravity.

Dont come up with mathematical models because again, those are models based on what we can observe and nothing more. I am asking for the ultimate nature of those things.

Well, the fact is you cant.

So my point is: Science is useful if you want to control nature, but it explains absolutely nothing.

There are some theories which try to explain the actual nature of things, but with no empirical evidence, and therefore, they require more faith that almost any religion.

And dont take me wrong, i love science and its practical applications, it must be beyond any dogmatic doctrine. But usually people doesnt understand what "science" means.

Think about it: Can a dog perceive a human being in the same way as us? Of course not, because his perception is limited by his cognitive abilities.

As far as we know, we could have the answers to our questions in front of us. We could even have a superior form of existence in front of us. And still, we wont perceive it, in the same way the dog doesnt perceive humans as they are.

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If you believe in decentralisation of power, you should consider yourself cultural pagan at least.

Motivation: there's lots of Gods and Goddesses in paganism, meaning power is balanced between various characters. This in term symbolises representatives you pick to feel akin towards, thus decentralisation which balances power and thus creates harmony.

Also fetish

>>39718330
>whatthefuckdidijustread
>electrons aren't matter

>usually people doesnt understand what "science" means.
You sound like one of those people.
Science is a method of gathering and analyzing data, nothing more.

>>39718050

>First and foremost is the complete lack of anything resembling a formal, organized faith, it has no priesthood to oversee the growth and maintenance of the faithful, it has no holy book which details it's theology, rituals, prayers etc

Correct, paganism isn't an ideology for fucking learned helplessness and being a general fucking retard. It's for people to make up their own fucking minds about what they believe, and it's the responsibility of the parents and the community to maintain meaningful traditions and mythos so that there is an attractive identity available to be grown into by the youths.

>there's no temples/churches/whatever where they can congregate and build a community

Bullshit, you're just a fucking idiot. Read some history for fucks sake or look at where and how neo-pagans congregate and hold services today, dipshit.

>Secondly is the fact that many Pagans to me seem to be embracing it not because of a genuine sense of belief but because they hate Christianity.

Again, bullshit and you're fucking stupid. Every pagan I've met, ever single fucking one, has become a pagan because they wish to return to a more naturalistic and empowering spiritual practice that venerates strength, wisdom, and power and not subservience and shame.

> I rarely see Pagans discussing their faith in the same way Christians do

You don't actually know any, so that's not surprising.

>, the only time they seem to enter any sort of religious discussion is to bash Christians for worshiping 'a kike on a stick'.

Hint: real lfe is not /pol/, except maybe for you.

>The whole thing seems like an anti-Christian fad that is going nowhere because Jesus bashing is all they have going for them.

Nope, you're just a fucking retarded Christian who wants to get on your Crusading high-horse about "thum dumb bagans and thur rebellious shit, they need them some Jesus!"

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>>39718330

> I am asking for the ultimate nature of those things.

Yeah but you just made up the idea of "ultimate nature" yourself. You just imagined that idea up. The universe has no need for "ultimate meaning" but you do because you're nothing but self aware matter trying to understand why the fuck you're aware of yourself.

That's it.

That's the entire reason that there is a question about what "ultimate nature" is - because you thought to ask.

And what's the answer?

Only science will tell. We can only know what we can observe. There is nothing else.

>>39718050
Paganism shouldn't really carry a priest class.
There were shamans and Druids, but these were probably just learned men of their societies and even worked as lawyers and fishermen for example in the mean time. Rarely are there many wise people in a pagan community today. At least the ones we see like on youtube. Always hippies of some denomination, imo.

>The whole thing seems like an anti-Christian fad that is going nowhere because Jesus bashing is all they have going for them.
Isn't this a given, taking to mind that the western world is a Christian world which they reject.

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Worshiping any god other than Yahweh is equivalent to Satanism.

>>39718517
Nobody knows what an electron actually is.
Its true that bosons,fermions, etc, compose matter, but that doesnt mean we know what they are or what matter is.

And you are right, science is a method of gathering and analyzing data, and with that method we came up with the particle theory, which is a model of what we can observe. You proved my point.

>>39718050
A lot of pagans are anti Christian because they associate materialism with western, Christian society.

>tfw i wanted to start the first pagan general
>no one joined the thread
;_;

and some music
meh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9_In_B4lqk

>>39718330
For your picture, that has more to do with a degenerate society that's by systematically dumbed down than anything to do with capitalism.

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>>39718681
Good. Rather an honest god that don't wrap itself in lies, but shows the world what horror it is and the world that allows for such horrors to be present. Horrors only a dishonest Yahweh would create.

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>>39718050

Faith=/= Religion

Religion (n.) Middle English (originally in the sense ‘life under monastic vows’): from Old French, or from Latin religio(n- ) ‘obligation, bond, reverence’, perhaps based on Latin religare ‘to bind’.

Faith (n.) mid-13c., faith, feith, fei, fai "faithfulness to a trust or promise; loyalty to a person; honesty, truthfulness," from Anglo-French and Old French feid, foi "faith, belief, trust, confidence; pledge"

>>39718681
>"your god is false, mine is right x----D"
Abrahamic religions, everyone.

>>39718729

That's fantastic anon, I'd never heard this act before. Def got my spirits up, I feel like lifting some weights now or pushing over a wall or practicing martial arts with my brothers.

Good shit.

thank you.

>>39718681
Hail the lightbringet

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Pagans believe that the Earth is alive in the form of a God and Goddess. They can trace their religion's roots back to their ancestors in the 1960s, who basically made up a load of shit about what they imagined druids to be like then called themselves pagans.

>>39718905
>1960s
>not northern Europeans in the first millennium

>>39718714
An electron is an elementary charged particle, made of waves.
I'm sorry my answer wasn't winged sky beast but you'll just have to deal.
Just because we don't know everything about a subject doesn't mean we get to mystify it.
Your entire argument about science is semantic bullshit.
Models come directly from observations, are you just trying to say that there is a disconnect between our observations and an underlying action?
That's a reasonable position to take, before the discovery of quantum mechanics we were blind to the inner workings of much of our world.
If that's what you're saying, that's fine, but it's coming across as "how can you even SEE man, really, like think about it. Your eyes aren't even like, real man."

>>39718905
You believe this rock is dead then

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>>39718729

>tfw you will never hear Kūlgrinda live and dance with fair Lithuanian pagan maidens in the woods

Feels bad living in Burgerfatsville, USA

>>39718636
You got my point. But I am not that sure about the science giving us the ultimate answers to everything, because as you said, we can only know what we can observe, and our perception and cognitive skills are limited, even if we perceive as humans that we are the ultimate form of existance. So for me, the science is only for practical uses, and not for trascental questions. For me, the simpel answer to those questions is that there is no answer, but as always, some people want to know everything, or fool themselves thinking they do.

As for me mading up the idea, yes, so what? I am not sure if you are trying to imply something with that.

If you define matter as "everything which exists", then yes, i am only matter. But again, you dont know what "matter" is.

Also, nobody knows what conciusness is, althought there are some interesting theories, for example the ones of Stuart Hameroff.

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stop trying to rip off christian general mudhut dweller

>>39718330

>HUUR PAGANS HAVE NO COMMUNITY AND DON'T MEET AND JUST HATE THE KIKE ON A STICK DURR

meanwhile, in reality, pagans celebrate for the sake of enjoyment:

>>39718972

>>39718972

That looks far healthier and appealing than any American Christian BBQ.

I bet the food is a hell of a lot better, too.

Bump for you OP. I'm a Pagan but I just read /pol/ occasionally, not post.


Here's Varg's new video on paganism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC7CpI1UjS0

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>>39718905
Christians believe that the Earth was created by some loony guy in 7 days, only inhabited by animals and 2 humans. They can trace their religion's roots back to some jewish cult 2014 years ago, who basically made up a load of shit about what they imagined to be the true religion, and then called themselves christians.

The SS were purely Pagan with their use of runes and rites.

Hitler only accommodated Christianity for political reasons at the time.

This is all proved in the 666BlackSun ebook and more..

>>39719020
>mudhut dweller
>implying the first christians didnt live in mudhuts
>then the renaissance brought back old roman and hellenistic art and architecture, who were pagans in the majority of their time
>wants to call pagans mudhut dwellers
>implying every pagan is a germanic pagan

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Oh man, the Odinfag pagans that need a god for everything.

I guess it helps you christian converts feel better hearing your "stories"

>>39718958
I am mystiying nothing, and if you think i am, you are getting me wrong. I will make it simple: I think we will never be able to get even close to understand everything, because again, for the third time, even when we perceive ourselves as the ultimate form of evolution and even as the most important thing in the universe, our perception and our cognitive skills are limited.

So, its not that there is a dissconection between our perception and what actually happens, but I think that there are things between that we just cannot perceive.

And you can say, yes, and 500 years ago we could not perceive infrrared light. Okay, maybe i am a little pesimistic. If you want to have faith i can respect that.

>>39718050
>it has no priesthood to oversee the growth and maintenance of the faithful

Individual organizations have this. Most pagans do not belong to organizations, though.

It's rather well organized in Scandinavia, especially Iceland. It's also quite well organized in the United Kingdom, especially some of the Old Druidic sects that have been around since the 1700s (some claim earlier), but even a few Odinic groups are well organized, such as the Odinic Rite which has what you describe.

Of course, on 4chan, just like everything else, most people are going to be the loner types that don't go out and join in their communities.

>it has no holy book which details it's theology,
Paganism doesn't have a holy book and it never has and never will.
>rituals, prayers etc
Rituals and prayers differ from organization to organization and individual to individual. It's worthy to note that most rituals and prayers in Christianity aren't Biblical.

>there's no temples/churches/whatever where they can congregate

Yes there are, for the organizations that do get together, there are temples, churches and whatever. In fact, in Europe, there are "temples" to congregate in that predate Christianity by thousands of years, and were still used as "temples" for "saints" during Christian times.

>>39718640
The Vedics carried a priest cast and were purely Pagan as well. I seems like you have no idea what you are talking about let alone the connectivity of all ancient religions, which is Satanism (not the fake Jewish kind.)

Satan means adversary in Hebrew.

>>39719217
most if not all edgy teenagers are germanic pagans who pretend to burn historic churches because head autist varg said so

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>>39718972
>>39718837
I like this one too
Feels like I'm in a foggy, big forest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmqcqCr-gbI

>>39718728
But Varg just said that his pagan gods shouldn't be seen as real. So obviously Varg is a materialist and not a spiritualist.

>>39718972
Why not join your local LARP group?
Look for solutions, not woes.

>>39719031
What the fuck...

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Not a single instance of American Paganism?

>>39719236

Yeah, but the entire idea that "knowing everything" is something that we should even care about is asinine.

All that should matter is advancing science and technology to the most extreme extent possible and enjoying the journey to wherever that takes us and de everything in our power (which we're hardly doing anything now) to keep us from fucking everything up.

All this "what lies beyond" buillshit is fucking imbecilic in a social context. If you want to trip on hallucinogens or meditate for hours and reach some "higher conciousness" then go right the fuck ahead. You might even share your experiences and we might all enjoy hearing what you have to say.

But thinking that it's somehow "important" and that society as a whole should fucking care AT ALL about this dumbass "what lies beyond" nonsense is idiotic and you need to stop thinking it's everyone's responsibility to sit around and try to help you figure out what YOUR fucking imagination means to THEM.

>>39713504
Read Carlyle. Specifically On Heroes.

>>39712942
> true red pill

Just shut the fuck up you pathetic faggot.

>>39719262
>Paganism doesn't have a holy book and it never has and never will.
Only because the various pagans were largely illiterate, and the priest caste didn't have to worry about consistency.
There was nothing else really stopping druidists from having a holy book of their own, nor Germanics.
The only reason the Hellanics didn't is because of the complete absence of consistency, but there were still many of the varied accounts committed to writing.

>>39712729
>not as actual beings of any kind
Dropped.
This is why I am a taoist.

>>39719371
That is by far one of Pet3r's most retarded pictures.

>>39719359

Varg is both a materialist and a spiritualist.

Volkischness is material in the sense that it's about having a healthy and sustainable homeland and community of people - that's material. It's spiritual in the sense that presenving the blood and the soil is about venerating the sanctity of the human experience, and achieving balance and harmony with one's lifestyle and relationships and homeland.

>>39712942
lady of guadalupe

>>39719513
>Only because the various pagans were largely illiterate, and the priest caste didn't have to worry about consistency.

This is actually a lie. Try reading something other than high-school textbooks and Christian propaganda.

>>39719513
>Only because the various pagans were largely illiterate

Everyone was largely illiterate until very recently.

>and the priest caste didn't have to worry about consistency.

Oral traditions are highly consistent. In the 1960s, illiterate Italian "peasant poets" were capable of reciting long epics such as Dante's Inferno and the Iliad in full and in complete accuracy, and it is believed that the tradition dates to the Renaissance.

>There was nothing else really stopping druidists from having a holy book of their own, nor Germanics.

Because there was no holy book or holy works. There were no holy books or works for the Greco-Romans either, just collections of oral myths eventually written down.

>The only reason the Hellanics didn't is because of the complete absence of consistency, but there were still many of the varied accounts committed to writing.

They didn't because they didn't have a concept of holy books, that is a Semitic/Abrahamic concept.

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>>39719384
I have no idea of why you assume all those things. What lies beyond is important for ME and i am not trying to convince anyone to be interested on it or to help me at all.
I am just arguing with people who apparently think that "science" or so-called "science" will lead us to the absolute knowledge. And as you said yourself, thats bullshit.

As for the practical uses of science and technology, is what i am saying, thats the true beauty of the thing. So in fact we are agree at that point.

Anyways i must say i am not agree on how we use that technology. But that's another debate.

>>39719637
>They didn't because they didn't have a concept of holy books, that is a Semitic/Abrahamic concept.
Along with Indo-Aryan and Asian.

The path is straight and narrow but only few will seek it.

>>39719637
>There were no holy books or works for the Greco-Romans either, just collections of oral myths eventually written down.
Isn't this a contradiction?

>>39719296
>The Vedics carried a priest cast and were purely Pagan as well.
One exception mentioned turns into
>I[t] seems like you have no idea what you are talking about
Also you're talking about Indian society. In European societies there rarely was a priest class, as mentioned. My guess to why that is because religion was fluent, not static as the early Catholic Church at large was.

Ha-Satan is the full title in Hebrew, I trust you knew that.

>>39716510
Where do you live?

>>39719612
>This is actually a lie. Try reading something other than high-school textbooks and Christian propaganda.
>Thinking this is an actual argument

>>39719362
The essential difference is that the cosplaying and roleplaying nerds, while annoying and immature, know that they're just playing a little fantasy game, whereas the Wiccans actually believe that their magic wands and elvenlore are real things. This often leads to a painful disillusionment, when a Pagan realizes that he or she cannot pay the rent or find a job by casting a magic spell.

>>39719669
>What lies beyond is important for ME

same guy you're replying to,

yes, "what lies beyond" is actually a central theme to the human experience, even so called avowed atheists have it, they just subvert it with convincing themselves that science is the answer to all.

now, it might seem like I've been saying that very thing, but no, what I'm saying is that making "what lies beyond" some sort of perverted central purpose of living (like for example how the fucking dumbass Abrahamic imbeciles do) is unhealthy and insane.

Science and technology will allow the human race too sit around and think up weird spiritual shit all they want, in fact eventually it might become so powerful that we can simulate entire universes and explore alternate realities.

But get this: even if we transcend into some virtualized species that lives inside quantum computers as beings made up of intersting fluid patterns of sub atomic particles in simulated universes, we'll STILL question what lies beyond.

That's Goedel's incompleteness theorem at work on our minds, and it will never go away.

Embrace it, but don't make it a perverse religion and social institution like the fucking filthy Abrahamics do.

>>39716920
You must be thinking of Wiccans

>>39712942
I would argue that the traditional definition of God does not exist.
Too me Christianity and other religion, if you really think about it, is about aliens, not gods. Call them Gods or deities or aliens it really doesn't matter. Religion is about whatever the fuck these other things on our planet were. That's why I can believe in Jesus and Muhammad and Thor, but not give a fuck about what any religious leaders in society have to say. Something weird definitely happened, but the standard definition of God is wrong.

>>39719902

>The essential difference is that the cosplaying and roleplaying nerds, while annoying and immature, know that they're just playing a little fantasy game, whereas the Christians actually believe that their rosaries and crucifixes are real things. This often leads to a painful disillusionment, when a Christian realizes that he or she cannot pay the rent or find a job by prayer or sending money to televangelists.

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>>39719965

#BTFO

>>39719965
>actually believe that their rosaries and crucifixes are real things
But those ARE real, tangible things?

>he or she cannot pay the rent or find a job by prayer or sending money to televangelists
Doing so would be contrary to the faith. God helps those who help themselves, after all.

>>39719952
>if you really think about it, is about aliens, not gods.
That's enough Ancient Astronauts watching for you, sir.

>>39712729
Europeans are too individualistic to have a certain religion proscribed for everyone.

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>>39719902
KEK

>>39719965

more like

>The essential difference is that the cosplaying and roleplaying nerds, while annoying and immature, know that they're just playing a little fantasy game, whereas the Christians actually believe that their rosaries and crucifixes are real things. This often leads to a painful disillusionment, when a Christian realizes that he or she cannot cure cancer or solve world hunger by prayer or sending money to televangelists.

>>39719549
He takes pics from me, beware he you call a retard or I will leave you like one.

>>39720127
Perhaps it's just his conspiretard usage of it, then. Implying there's some connexion between a very particular modern drawing of a dragon and the shape of a continent, and that it actually means anything.

>>39712729
Honestly man idc what you do, but if your only argument of why I should be a pagan is because you and some musician say so, then its not much of an argument.

Same thing with "oh but your ancestors believed in that". Yeah, I'm sure my ancestors believed in a lot of crazy shit, doesn't mean I need to.

Also the argument that Christianity is from Middle East and therefore invalid isn't really a good argument, and isn't applied to other things like the Arabic number system. What? Do we also need to go back to Roman numerals to prove how white we are?

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>>39720197
You really are an ignorant pig.

capcha:
hogs oneybrv

>>39720230
Oh Pet3r, brilliant as ever.

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>>39720096
Sure.

>>39719911
Have you read 1984? It made me thought about how important is what we believe and how important is the actual reality. Even more, is there a reality beyond what we believe? Based on what i said, I would say yes, there is a reality beyond what we believe, but in some situations, what we believe is even more important for practical purposes.
So, if someone wants to have faith in something and that faith is altruistic and makes him do things i consider good, i have literally nothing against that, as long as he admits he could be wrong.

>>39718905
You just mixed up Druidry, Wicca and Asatru.

>>39719911
you sound like you'd be a hit at parties

>>39718972
Story of my fucking life.

>>39720284
I already told you I'm not him, I usually tell him to he is wrong.

I am
> greatsatanicseal.com

>>39719371

It's there.

>>39720413
Then you're just as bad, and a liar. Twisting things to pretend they suit your own end.

>>39720455
You are a sly one, I will not answer your rhetoric with words, you I wish to communicate with, with war.

>>39719572
This, you can be non materialistic without being a hippie.

>>39720531
You're roleplaying, right? That's a common /x/ thing.
That or you're actually insane. Also very /x/.

>>39720060
Fuck you faggit. Seriously, Gods by definition are not of this world, yet exist in this universe. WTF are they then?

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Speaking of Varg in the OP, for anyone who is interested in a nice introduction into and explanation of the benefits of paganism, I'd highly recommend reading the "Paganism" series linked to here, it is what got me into Paganism a few years ago and convinced me it was the most Volkisch spiritual path.
http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/
Scroll down a bit for the links.

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>>39720209
>Do we also need to go back to Roman numerals to prove how white we are
It couldn't hurt.

Grow a beard, stop getting haircuts and get jacked

simple

>>39720644
Most Gods are attributed of creating this world. Hence they are this world. No Aliens, just supreme beings.

>>39720209

Aside from the fact that your post if fucking dumb, it would be pretty cool if we moved away from arabic base-10 and used something logical like base-12 or tru-kvlt base-36.

Seriously, base-10 is shit.

>>39720660
Varg is a weirdo in many ways, but I do believe he understands paganism well. Because he's a weirdo, mainly - you are more attune to that kind of spirituality.

>>39720585

You are are either evil, obnoxious, or just a blue pilled faggot, I still don't understand how people like you walk upright.

>>39712729

>Semitic warrior god who demanded the foreskins of his enemies to appease his rage

You just made God sound so fucking METAL

>>39720917

can you make us all a diagram like that dragon one but to illustrate how you became such an aspie retard?

>>39720531
>Anonymous shitposter
vs
>Moron who thinks proof is trick by aliums
This'll be a good war.

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>>39720932

Germanic Paganism > Judaic Religions of masochism and forgiveness

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>>39720932

>Yes goyim, Yahweh is definitely "tru kvlt" and you should fear and respect him. Fight for Jerusalem! We shall defeat the saracen invaders on the holy mount!

>>39720917
Absolutely obnoxious, but that doesn't change you being a deceptive loser, who clearly thinks everything is out to get him.

>>39720287
There is quite a big difference between larp faggotry, like pretending you genuinely believe Thor makes the thunder, and understanding that the old gods are excellent racially appropriate egregores and that rituals strengthen the folk and their bond with the ancestral past

what happened to the Sigurd website btw?

>>39713504
>>39717313

That is ridiculous and you should be embarrassed.

>>39721012
>bond with the ancestral past
Why should that matter when you don't actually believe the things they did?

>>39721053

Quite an argument you've got there, dipshit.

>>39721066

what the fuck do you mean "believe the things they did?"

>>39720887
>your post if fucking dumb

The jokes write themselves these days.

>>39720982
Monotheistic Hinduism > Celtic Druidism >> Roman Hellenism > Egyptian paganism >>>>>>> Germanic Paganism

Anyone who disagrees isn't white.

>>39720287

> dat gyno

>>39719262
>Old Druidic sects

Kek

The Romans genocided the druids. Anybody who claims descent from their order is almost certainly lying.

>>39721132

>Monotheistic Hinduism

Nigger, you're retarded.

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>>39720982
>>39721132

>>39721113
Like Thor making the thunder, and generally in the Gods themselves.
Seems more like you're mocking the ancestors by only paying lip service and deciding their beliefs aren't good enough for you.

>>39720973
>>39721006

You're both fucking idiots. God never said any of those things, only people who claimed to speak for God. Know the fucking difference.

And jews aren't unique in using religion to polarize and forms sides to conflicts. Stop being so paranoid.

>>39712729
>2014
>you are using a Christian inspired dating system

throw this post in the fucking garbage OP

>>39720953
>can you make us all a diagram like that dragon one but to illustrate how you became such an aspie retard?
Mister Ad Hominem, how are you today, what is like being intellectually inferior to everyone you argue with? I bet you have tiny penis too, that's why you're a cunt to everyone, kek

>>39721079

I find it more convincing than the other one.

>>39718972
>what is SCA

You have no excuse.

>>39721132
>Hindu
>Roman
>Egyption

>White

>>39721166
Read the Bhagivad Gita. One Hindu sect follows that Vishnu is All, and the other "Gods" are just aspects of Vishnu.
Krishna says this to Arjuna when Arjuna asks what happens when people pray to the other Gods, and gets the reply that, "These prayers are all to me, but in different respect."

>>39721007
>Absolutely obnoxious, but that doesn't change you being a deceptive loser, who clearly thinks everything is out to get him.
Damn you have no originality as I previously suspected, you are literally repeating now what I said to you early, faggot

>>39712729
Dude that guy kind of looks like Big Brother from the 1984 movies. Imagine his face up on the telescreen.

>>39721261
You might want to re-read the posts, then, because no you didn't.

You also seem to be incapable of defending your drivel beyond trying to be mean to people who laugh at your idiocy.
Great work.

>>39721178

Nigger, you don't understand what the European pagans believed, nor do you understand the diversity of their beliefs.

Start researching now, there's no need to keep shitposting. You can be gaining a valuable education.

>>39720848
>just supreme beings
>beings
>creating this world
Do/did they live on this world? Or just visit for a bit? Where did they come from before creating this world?
When you start thinking about what they actually say "God" is, how can they be anything but alien?

>>39721254
If you really were volkisch, you could accept your own failings, and see that which is good in others, regardless of their origin.
To do otherwise is defective, and Tumblr esque.

>>39721338
You're seriously claiming that pre-Christian people didn't believe in Gods?

>>39721334
An enemy is your equal, seeing that we are not equal, I do not treat you as such, therefore you are nothing to me, I would not even engage you in argument, which I would utterly annihilate anything you have to offer.

>>39721468
>which I would utterly annihilate anything you have to offer.
Apparently not, otherwise you would have done so by now.
You continue to make excuses.
If you really felt like I wasn't worth your time, you wouldn't have been posting all this time trying to pretend you aren't cripplingly stupid.

>>39721468
*tipping intensifies*

>>39721342
They are the fathers and mothers of this world. You wouldn't consider yourself to be Alien to your kid would you, just because say you don't live with your kid.
Most ancient religions describe some sort of vacuum before there were something. Hence Gods are just as much as you part of this world. They got the means to leave it, that's all.

>>39721548
Excuses? I see you as so low that I would merely engage you physically, people like you need to be taken out into the town square and beaten with rhubarb sticks.

>>39721610
Fuck off, you two are ruining the thread with your faggotry.

>>39721610
>I can't defend myself, so I'd rather whack you with a switch
Are you black?
Because that's nigger behaviour.
Again, you keep saying "nuh-uh! I totally know what I'm talking about, but i just won't prove it for some reason!"

>>39712729
i've seen painting of odin and he looks like the guy off duck dynasty with the glasses
>mfw he's come back!

>>39721662
It's a troll thread anyway.

>>39721664
Lower needs for lower breeds.

You come with the lowest form of argumentative style, you receive the lowest form of rebuttal, which is a fist.

> mfw he thinks a pogrom is nigger behaviour

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>>39721681

>>39721417

Produce one shred of evidence that pagan societies believed the gods were literal creatures. You won't find any.

At most they were animistic personifications of natural processes and mythical heroes, and frequently based on actual tribal rulers or famous warriors.

The DID however absolutely believe in sympathetic animism, that is, the idea that humans can coax the forces of nature to behave in desirable ways through certain behaviors or occurrences.


But did they believe in the gods literally? No. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that was a widely held belief in any pagan society, and in fact extant pagan societies never touched by western monotheism don't believe in actual literal gods either.

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>>39721766

>>39721736
No, I think being unable to express yourself with words, instead wanting to censor with force is nigger behaviour. Certainly a mark of lower intelligence.
If this didn't apply to you, you would have presented an actual defense of your tripe rather than name-calling.

Answer me this: Can you actually defend the crap on the site you linked? And if so, prove it.

>>39721798
>The DID however absolutely believe in sympathetic animism, that is, the idea that humans can coax the forces of nature to behave in desirable ways through certain behaviors or occurrences.
So yes, they worshiped, offered sacrifice to, and believed they could affect the world by adherence to the previous.

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>>39721798
>i believe in sympathetic animism

>>39721876

Apparently you're too fucking retarded to understand the distinction between believing in sympathetic spiritism/magic and believing that there is a literal man in the sky that hits his special hammer and thunder happens.

No surprise you're too fucking stupid to understand this, you're probably an Abrahamic.

>>39721949
And yet the Greeks literally believed that Zeus was chilling on top of Mt Olympus, and would batter them without the proper sacrifices of goats.

Nice assumption, by the way. Someone would have to be of a rival religion to find issue with your beliefs.

>>39721560
Giving birth is different than creating. If you are the only one that can leave when you want then you are something different, above beyond, and more than a parent.
>You wouldn't consider yourself to be Alien to your kid would you
I personally wouldn't, but I can't create and leave worlds.

Alien:
Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See Synonyms at foreign.
A person from another and very different family, people, or place.
A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.
A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.
Ecology An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.

Gods are by definition alien. There is no real debate on this issue. Stop trying to pretend that there is.

>And yet the Greeks literally believed that Zeus was chilling on top of Mt Olympus

No, they fucking didn't you fucking dumb bastard. The identity of Zeus and his consorts changed frequently, sometimes varying from city to city! They did NOT believe he was a literal being, dipshit.

>>39722102
>They did NOT believe he was a literal being, dipshit.
And that's why they would worship him, and sacrifice to him with the hope of favour.

>>39721178
the gods are more than the myths, they represent the ideals of the people they belong to, the characteristics and traits they hold in high regard. The stories our ancestors told, illustrated the people they aspired to be.

Odin sought knowledge and wisdom at any cost, why would anyone who reveres Odin's character wish to remain ignorant about the true nature of thunder.

If you're familiar with the concept of egregores you will understand how deities still possess power even for one who does not believe they literally exist.

>>39722174

>I totally understand the mental processes of ancient peoples

>what is sympathetic magic
>what is animism
>what is spiritism
>what is participation mystique
>what is communal bonding through ritual

>>39712942

Atheist and apolitical? You sound like the living embodiment of apathy, and you have my condolences.

>>39722691
>I totally understand the mental processes of ancient peoples
Apparently you do beyond shadow of all doubt.

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Hello my pagan brothers and sisters!

boy is it good, to be a pagan, just like you.

>>39722691
Halloween was a practical pagan festival, it literally was the lighting the fires time again.

Literally they were perfecting bonfires for the winter, this is paganism, paganism is dead.