Not going to write a whole essay on this, but anyone who says this with a straight face is almost entirely operating off of emotionalism. If they were intellectually honest they would use something more accurate like "contracted prions" so that the debate would be more precise and not devolve into these weird distorted arguments about how the US has a free market prison system (at least according to them).
>Private federal reserve
Same reasons as above. It always devolves into emotion-driven retards making vague non-arguments and claiming that the United States has a more-or-less free market monetary system. Not going to waste my time with such people.
>You don't need an assault rifle (or whatever other gun related item they think up)
Nope, fuck you. I bet you have no problem with the state owning these things. I also bet you don't "need" to have freedom of speech to say such asinine shit.
>That's racist / you're a racist
Not an argument. Try again with less "muh feels", or don't bother responding.
>X should be free!
I cringe so hard when I hear this. Even when I was a hardcore liberal I had an understanding of the concept of opportunity cost, and how absolutely nothing the government does is "free". Given this, I am genuinely amazed how absolutely, appallingly retarded people are when it comes to economics.
Communists Nazis Fascists Libertarians Libruls Anarchists Gun grabbers Mudshits Kikes Shitskins Niggers Beaners Gooks Race traitors Globalists Feminists Egalitarians The Elite Ultracapitalists Whiney poor people MUH EQUALITY Politicians Degenerates Faggots People who have nothing to talk about other than MUH ILLUMINATI Naive faggots who dont think there is a NWO Good goyim Atheists Pro-Choice shitheads Edgelords Weaboos Stoners Whores And various other things, if someone is one of the above, they can get fucked.
"multiculturalism works" "You're just a Nazi" "Immigrants do jobs natives won't do" "we may be better off as a Muslim nation" "It’s a religion of peace, love, family values and respect, and the only faith to give women equality in its holy book."
e.g >Critics of multiculturalism are motivated by ignorance, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, fear and hatred of Muslims. They fear their beloved mythical Anglo-Saxon monocultural masterclass is threatened. The Nazis had similar values.
>>36258345 >Bush invading Iraq was all about oil >There's a connection to halliburton >Bush stole the election >Even if nobody can prove Bush stole it, Gore should have still won. Electoral college be damned! >Obama is a smart guy >Hillary Clinton is the most powerful pro-women person out there. etc..
>"criminals are going to use guns anyways" >"video games are the cause of all war and murder etc." >if a woman consumes alcohol she's a victim but if a man consumes alcohol he's a drunk >"drugs are bad, mmkay?" >/pol/ trying way too hard to have an unpopular opinion
Saying Iraq is about oil is conspiracy 101 for children. Actually keeps them from questionning banking cartels or intelligence services operations.
To be fair, Murikans are heavily involved in the middle east since the late 80s not to get oil directly, but (partially) to control the oil market for the rest of the world. there is little of value besides oil in the Gulf.
>>36260896 >Just to confirm, you're referring to people getting the terminology wrong? >Because the political-penal complex is a real thing.
Sort of. It's a combination of getting the terminology wrong in conjunction with their retarded ideas pertaining to the matter.
To note, I am against the political-penal complex and the horrendous injustices associated with it, but when discussing it with people and they go on about the "private prisons" I know immediately that the discussion is going to be emotion-driven nonsense, hence me trashing them as it annoys the shit out of me and isn't going to be productive for either of us.
There's also the alternative >"Guns were designed to kill people"
What the fuck does this even mean? How is this an argument in any capacity?
I have incredibly good comprehension skills and can decipher even the most retarded of arguments to see what point they were attempting to make, but this is one of the few where I see not even a semblance of logic behind it.
All I can think of is that it's the rawest form of an emotional appeal imaginable.
>>36258345 Anyone who uses the word 'personify', or 'literally' when they mean figuratively. Also cunts who don't know the difference between 'thier', 'they're' and 'there'. Any idiot who lacks the ability to distinguish 'you're' and 'your'.
>>36258345 "Diversity is our greatest strength" "The free market will fix it" Anything regarding how the holocaust is fake *legitimate debate on exactly how many died is fine "Privilege" anything "Intersectionality" anything "Sociology" anything "Israel is our greatest ally" "Serbs are bad people" (or something to that effect) >>36258535 Fuck off m80
>>36261952 Typically when I hear the "Iraq was for oil" argument it comes from people suggesting that it was a move to destabilize the region so that oil would go above $80 a barrel making oil sands in Canada profitable.
>parroting "correlation =/= causation" from your Psychology 101 professor >"I'm bisexual" >"I'm a single mom" >"I don't believe the official 9/11 story" >pro-marijuana activists >people who say "fuck" or "shit" in every single sentence they utter >Americucks who say "I'm Irish/German/Norwegian/Russian/Italian, etc."
>The job market is doing fine! Look at these U3 Unemployment numbers that say it's such a low percentage while ignoring population-employment ratios for proof! >Our immigration policy needs to be reworked so it's easier for people to come in >Laissez-Faire economics work >Communism is the best idea if we would give it a chance >Obama ruined the economy >Bush ruined the economy >Reagan didn't raise taxes >Ron Paul is our savior! >I'm a libertarian >I'm a Republican >I'm a Democrat Pretty much any of these statements show they don't do any research on any subjects.
>>36262728 >human impact on climate change is a fact >"fact" no it is not.
i can however agree that human being affect the environment
but we are not melting the ice caps we are not causing hurricanes we are not causing droughts we will not create a Day After Tomorrow because we drive cars and have factories
we affect the environment, but i believe our impact on the climate is at worst comparatively minor in relation to the poorly understood ecological forces that do this kind of shit, in a geological sense, regularly.
i agree that a greener future is a better future, but this shouting about humans affecting the climate is fear mongering and detracts from what our focus should be; how are we going to prevent life as we know it being changed by the unavoidable changes our planet goes through.
Anybody who even as a joke says the following. >M'lady >I need evidence for gods existence. Also, it must be perfectly direct evidence that is quantifiable even though God would be outside the universe and all things known >Gay's just want to be accepted in scociety. BTW want to go join our pride BDSM float? >Vaccines cause autism >i vote for Justin Trudeau >Im catholic and i support abortion >Islam is peace >/pol/ was wrong >Its happening
>Election cycle looms >Locking up criminals and being "tough on crime" is widely popular, politicians draft new/longer prison law >Prisons fill up, government is forced to contract "corporate" prisons >Corporations negotiate favorable contract (get paid per head, require population quota, etc) >Corporations give back to politicians in kickbacks / campaign contributions / lobbying >Politicians like it because they get both votes and money >Little incentive to change because no one wants to let all the drug dealers / rapists / murderers out of jail >Repeat every election cycle
>>36263185 >I need evidence for gods existence What's wrong with this though?
I want to believe. I've seriously tried to have faith. But without anything that really backs it up, I know that I'm just engaging in self-delusion. No matter what kind of warm fuzzy feelings reading the Bible gives me I just cannot mentally accept Christianity.
>>36262482 >Could you give a non-emotional explanation of the political-penal complex? And how that differs from people who would say "private prisons"?
>I think the current system of prisons is morally wrong and economically indefensible. In the two primary forms prisons take in the US, both of them have severe problems. In prisons the government runs directly, you see the Corrections Officers Union campaigning heavily to maintain drug prohibition and other laws to maintain there profits. Furthermore, the entire bureaucracy is riddled with rent seeking as the agents within the prison system both try to increase funding (and thus their power and income), and try to stifle legal reform to prevent their cushy jobs from being potentially threatened. >The other form of prisons, with contractors running things, runs into the same problems. When the prison system is outsourced, all of the problems are outsourced as well. No fundamental solutions are reached, with both systems being fundamentally identical (and shit). >As, at least within statism, the two alternative forms of prisons are going to be terrible, the focus for reform should be on the court and legal system itself.
>These private prisons are FOR PROFIT. >THE CORPORATIONS RUN THESE THINGS AND TRY TO GET PEOPLE ARRESTED FOR MORE MONEY. >If we don't allow a free market in prisons, we wouldn't be having all these problems. >profit, profit, profit, profit
The people who use "private prisons" will, in about 99.9% of cases, completely ignore all problems with government-run prisons and usually just go on emotion-driven diatribes about their hatred of free markets. They don't have any knowledge or interest in the actual economics/history/etc. of the issue, it's just a nice area to vent about their hatred towards free markets at because they read a story about that judge who was paid-off by "private" prison.
>>36258345 i know what economic statements make me trash fools:
Higher wages stimulate the economy. WW2 ended the depression. War is good for the economy. Capitalism exploits the product of other's labor. Government spending grows the economy. Hoarding is bad. Economy based on need, not profit. Trade means someone loses. Capitalism is unsustainable. We're runnning out of resources. Income disparity matters. Poor are getting poorer. Full employment is most imprtant for economies. No-one has right to exclude others from their property. Central Planning works. Socializing ensures access for all. Capitalism destroys the environment. The Rich should pay their fair share. Economic rights in any form. Cartels always form to stifle innovation and fix prices. Natural private monopolies are bad, but public ones are good. Fair Wage is a right. Companies unchecked will flatten wages to a minimum. Outsourcing is bad for Americans. Companies plan obselesence. Minimum wages reduces poverty. Corpoartions have special/more rights than people. Regulation is the only way to control behaviors. Resources wasted on luxury demands. Tax cuts are giving money to the rich. Investment from governments are better becuase of no profit. State welfare reduces poverty. Only regulation can deal with market externalities. Profit equals money.
>>36263508 Its the inability to accept indirect evidence. What irks me the most about atheists who want direct evidence is the fact it isn't allowed to exist. Direct evidence such as >Well where is he? >What's he made of? >Why can't we see him?
Anything that can be quantifiable would 100% prove God's existance and that wouldn't work due to the following:
If god made a 100% proof of his existence free will would be null since everybody would basically follow all the rules by force or fear. You wouldn't have the option to reject him since its guaranteed he's there.
Even when all the indirect evidence is pooled there still leaves room for you to make a choice. Because the whole point is CHOOSING to follow gods will. This is the point of Adam and eve and why they ate the apple. The story shows that God created all things good and yet they choose bad. Meaning that free will is one of the greatest goods.
>>36263560 Thanks anon. >>36263625 You're right. I hate to use this as an example because it's so often used mockingly, but if I believed adamantly in nazi UFOs without much evidence and loudly proclaimed to, either my self-doubt in my own beliefs would lead me to - reject my beliefs - find more evidence for beliefs and accept them - try to find evidence, fail and reject them
>>36263789 >You wouldn't have the option to reject him since its guaranteed he's there. This makes sense to me. But I also see it as making sense within the circular theological perspective of Christianity, like it was made to suit the religion after the fact (I could be completely wrong here). Part of the problem is I find the Christian conception of creation so convoluted and odd that it doesn't seem like it could have been put into action by a divine being at all and seems more like stories written by ancient religious leaders. >God creates humans >humans desire to become like God, become corrupted because of their pride >Satan, who you would think is even less susceptible to this shit being an angel, becomes incredibly proud and tries to overthrow God (what? if God is everything, and outside the universe, how would this happen? It seems like a leftover from the depiction of God the Father as a literal, physical person in heaven) >Jesus Christ, God, is born in Nazareth, preaches, performs miracles and is crucified and for some reason this saves the humanity
why did any of this happen in the first place though
>>36264187 >Satan, who you would think is even less susceptible to this shit being an angel.....etc
Angels have the free will as well. And hell isn't fiery death like the bible says. That is just a description of what it would FEEL like to be 100% cut off from Gods love. So, he rejected God and thus chose to alienate himself from him. This is Hell.
The evidence for this is the fact that the commandments say that you cannot make an image of heaven or hell. If Jesus truly fulfilled the OT laws, this means he couldn't have been speaking literally. This is what Catholics believe.
>Jesus Christ, God, is born in Nazareth, preaches, performs miracles and is crucified and for some reason this saves the humanity As we are all flawed beings and the penalty for sin is death (as said in bible). We require sacrifices in order to appease God. This is why lambs and such are sacrificed in the book. This is also why other religions used to sacrifice things to God (Book of Romans says that at one point all people knew of God and that the evidence is worldwide, but Christ is what is necessary to guarantee salvation).
And so, the Crucifixion of Jesus was a sacrifice. But as he was God it was a sacrifice of infinite proportions. This means that if you follow the teaching of Christ with all your heart, even if you falter sometimes, you will be reborn. This is why after Jesus died he took all the people in Sheol (Jewish purgatory for those who are righteous but sinners. You had to be perfect to go to heaven in old Jewish tradition) and sent them to heaven.
This doesn't mean all people are saved however since you still have to accept God in order to accept the sacrifice. Purposefully rejecting Gods laws is willingly rejecting him and thus prevents salvation as well since you literally choose to go to hell.
>>36264187 >why did any of this happen in the first place though
It's a mashup of archetypical father/son relationships in that part of the world during the time the god stories were written.
God (the father) used to demand child sacrifice, but eventually chilled out enough that the willingness to kill the child was enough. The father was still really pissy and punished and ostracized his children, though. So finally Christ, his son, willingly sacrifices himself, and god is finally appeased enough to finally love his children.
>>36258345 "I didn't come from a fish" Gf's mom said this. And I just stared at her wide eyed. >She believes it was aliens. Or god. >probably thinks it was god, not a bad guess but when science is behind the other guess....... hmm. >bitch goes on about how we share 98% genome with monkeys. "So where is the other 2%? Did It just fall off" *laughs* That was a hard night. Also she believes in the reptilian overlord shit so. My god. #libertarians
Seriously, when was the last time you saw any real acknowledgement about how the current state of Israel came to be. People either say "We gave it to them after WWII" or they think it's been chilling there since the old testament.
Shit I didn't even know until I got some forum moderator on a political message board (he was israeli) to drop some knowledge on me. This was like just after 9/11, and we were having some argument about "terrorism" and the right way to deal with it. I realized I didn't actually know shit about Israel except that jews and palestinians were killing eachother a lot. I laughed by fucking head off reading the stuff he gave me because the whole thing was just so fucking shady. It took me a long time to realize why no one ever talks about it.
>>36264656 Ah, that makes more sense, anon. Thank you.
I can't wrap my head around aspects of Catholic theology which are considered dogma, like the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist or Immaculate Conception (where did they get this from apart from theological musings centuries after the events happened?). It seems way too man-made.
Sorry, I'm not asking you to tackle all this shit on my behalf but I'm trying to provide a clear picture of the sort of problems I'm having integrating Christianity into a reasonable view of the world. The Church, which I am meant to trust as the bride of Christ, seems so flawed to me.
>>36265241 >like the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist You mean the fact that anyone who believes in the word of god and accepts communion is partaking of magical cannibalism?
I don't mean to tip a fedora or anything, but I find it funny how much things like this are ignored or glossed over, while simultaneously scoffing at equally weird or barbaric practices practiced in other cultures.
>>36265078 >This is a conflict hundreds/thousands of years old. We can't possibly have any effect on it.
It's like getting hit over the head by a billboard of ignorance. I don't even know what to say to those people. You can see the next half our of angry argument from someone who's completely wrong on all levels as you confront thier ego head on. And personally it's just not worth it. Big pain in the ass, and a gamble whether you get a reputation as an antisemitic Nazi at the end of it. You can lay it all out for them and it'll still be years before they have enough evidence to convince them. And by that time your relationships are already damaged and there's no apology.
Well actually the common link is the government, so they're the one fucking you over.
Both the unions and corporations are simply competing to feed at the through the state keeps stuffing with food. That muddies the issue for most people as they focus on who's eating, not who's supplying the food.
>>36265440 Yeah, that as well as the fact that unless the Church gets the bread miraculously, aren't they just getting some average bread and wine and then saying "oh yeah by the way this is Jesus LOL"
Think of a friend you have known for a long time. Sometimes, or even quite often, if you are decently intelligent, you will know in advance how he will react in some situations, even if you have never seen him in such a situation. And yet nobody will say that your prescience "caused" him to act or deprived him of free will.
Well, God not being a retard and actually knowing you better than yourself, there is not the slightest contradiction between having free will and Him knowing what you will do.
>I believe we should have stricter gun laws >I am pro choice >gays have the right to love too >there's no such thing as race >only white people can be racist >check your ________ privilege >communism is a good system >money ruins everything >Nazi's were evil >nukes are the worst thing to happen to mankind >weed isn't bad for you >racism still exists today >we need harsher reforms to stop climate change >I believe in women's rights because the wage gap is a disgusting reality of our society and should be dealt with >if you vote conservative, you vote for the rich >why vote, it doesn't change anything >the USA is a warmonger, we should downsize our military >the Iraqi war was based on oil >we should raise the minimum wage >the UN strives for world peace >hate speech should be outlawed >the rich are causing all the problems >welfare is a good thing >China is going to attack the US one day >why are you anti-immigration? This nation was founded by immigrants! >America is disgusting, I can't believe you slaughtered all those Indians
>>36266736 Muslims have their own weird shit, like the haj.
I believe the idea is that it is proof of a miracle in every day life, and the idea that you are partaking of his sacrifice, not just observing it. Also something to do with the fish and bread during the sermon.
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