I think it's about that time don't you /pol/?
Come discuss the true gods of the White man here.
>tfw 9.5/10 hi-test Valkyrie waifu is now being culturally logjammed iner azzho by rabid Somali baboons..
Not even the christfags are getting in on this thread?
Damn where is everyone tonight?
Dude what? Ragnarok is fucking insane.
>loki breaks free from his chains made from his own intestines
>they sail the ship made of finger and toenails against the gods
>fire demons and giants attack the gods
>Thor battles the world-serpent
>the whole world burns down in flames
What's not to like?
That is one of the most annoying pictures I have seen in a while. That is really an inspirational picture to Pagans?
>who would prefer the child of some acne-scarred artisan to that of a god?
>any woman can do the fertility ritual
>hey fellow poor people lets go watch a rich fuck get "knighted", whatever that means amirite? by some rich bitch who has nothing in common with us
Yeah the first one I'd rather pick.
Discordian here, racists are losers. Eris fucks black guys all the time.
What are you even talking about at this point? You like pagan feminist hippy women, we get it.
>implying Asatru is racially pure
Daily reminder that most of the Norse myths you're familiar with were transcribed by monks who altered them to reflect Christian values.
Your ancestors sitting around in the middle ages just regular dudes
>inb4 "buh buh my family is descended from king john!!
So here it is
>hey guys you want to go watch some cunt who's only significance is who her mother and father where tap a sword to some guys shoulders who's only importance is also who his father and mother where?
>yeah mate sounds like a rip roarin good old time!
Yeah that's real inspirational and moving.
It just is not in my opinion, you of course don't have to agree.
Nothing comes close to Arkestrategos St. Michael leading his warriors into hell to wage war.
>More fleshed out.
The battle of Heaven Vs. Hell is more 'fleshed out' then you are probably imagining:
I still don't understand; where did I imply my ancestors were not regular guys?
Are you trying to imply that isn't a beautiful painting?
Are you implying your ancestors were all devout pagans that somehow preformed modern neo-pagan rituals?
Oh of course it is. I'd love to have it on my wall but it's not emotional to me or the message isn't beautiful in anyway.
I'd much rather have a painting of an old anglo saxon king being carried from town to town by the people that loved him so much. Or a painting of a ceremony when they chose their next king, not some silly thing where the elites would give made up honors to their cousins and sons.
So I was playing Crusader Kings 2 and I noticed that when you reform the Norse religion the head of state becomes the Fylkir which is basically identical to the Muslim Caliph.
Do any of you guys know what a Fylkir is supposed to mean.
Why are you trying to make this a competition? I love the sagas and the story of Ragnarok, I just enjoy the Christian story of the final battle more. I have no idea why this is something bad to you; I just thought I would share some stuff you might find cool since you like supernatural war stories too.
I was just joking on that last post m8.
I can appreciate how you like your stories better and I like mine more.
I've tried to read the biblical stories before but I just can't get into them. I see names like Joseph and David and all this hebrew stuff and It just doesn't have a connection to me.
Well a simple google search turned up a result for an icelandic name and I guess fylkir came from something close to "chieftan."
I just know the head of the religion for a clan or group would be a gothi.
I'm not familiar with that, but for a beginner I'd recommend "the norse myths by [something] Holland"
It's chronological and very easy to read.
Some of the poetic eddas are just random alignments, have no chronological order and no structure plus hard translations so they could be missing some parts. Other easier authors/translators fill in the missing parts to the best of their ability while "advanced" versions let you fill it in thinking you have knowledge of icelandic/kennings and all of that, or think you are a student using it for scholarly reasons.
Where are all the pagans tonight? Gods damn it.
How is any of that exclusively Heathen? Nothing in that is religious in any way. Many Christians believe in that line of thinking as well.
I know you didn't imply that it was exclusively Heathen or that Christians don't believe these ideas as well; but many people seem to think that way. They mistake ancient European beliefs of manly honor and valor that were and are carried by heathens and then Christians with something that only pagans believe.
No they don't worship their ancestors, but the image you posted has nothing to do with worshiping ancestors and in my understanding and through my reading of the Sagas and Eddas, neither did heathens.
If you are imply that we don't honor and venerate our ancestors as Christians and don't have specific holy days were we do so, well that isn't even a little bit true.
For personal ancestors:
For communal ancestors and heroes of the passed:
And of course Christians (besides protestants) pray for their ancestors and ask their ancestors to pray for them (through prayer) regularly, sometimes daily.
Aw yes, I feel the pagan rising inside me.
Hmmmm, not in my understanding. From what I understand they worshiped the Gods and venerated/honored their ancestors, just like Christians (but of course with God instead of gods).
Perhaps I am just overly sensitive to the term 'worship' as a Christian, wanting to separate for example the treatment of Saints with the worship of God.
As a pagan these differences are probably not as important and 'ancestor worship' is a fine term to use, and simplifies discussion as well too.
Yeah. Well pagans don't even worship the gods in the same way as christians worship their god.
Odin may decide to let you win that battle but if you don't follow him he won't send you to hell. It's how you act towards your kinsmen that decide that and the wyrd the norns have given you that do. So maybe pagans don't even worship anything. They just venerate the ancestors and venerate the gods.
Interesting stuff right there.
lel, go away neo-hipsters
pagan vikings incoming, hide your ale, hide your wenches
Can a pagan please post a video of a blot or other liturgical ceremony that they feel represents their religion in a good and non-cringe worthy light? This is not a loaded request, I am genuinely interested.
why does Putin want to destroy them??
Europe wants to destroy them you dumbass, Putin didn't even had to start shit, Europe and America began this clusterfuck shitwar and now they put themselves in a fucking corner like the incompetent fucks they are.
Keltik enthousiast here
Yep that does look fun, but not religiously pagan. Seems more of a reenactment and enjoyment of history, maybe even on Church grounds? (A stave church is shown right at the beginning).
Would love to take part, though!
>tfw lonely Templar Knight among the heathens at 1:07
>Eastern europeans are the only true pagans.
I'm eastern european, plz explain.
The norse/scandinavians had their own pagan gods and customs...
Longbow archery is a true white sport.
It's ahistorical to the max, just saying, It's supposedly from an Old Norse word that means "chief" or something like that, and being Old Norse sounded like a neat word to turn into a Caliphate analogue, apparently.
Fylkir in that capacity certainly never existed.
How mad must the artist of that picture been?
>incoming romanian pagan girl
What is /pol/'s opinion of Finnish paganism aka. Muinaisusko/Suomenusko? It's older than Asatru and vikings may have been afraid of the Finnish Gods and that's why they didn't subjugate Finland.
>No the christian version is lame as fuck.
How can you possibly say this unless you are just trying to be a contrarian and hate the story because you are just anti-Christian in all respects including mythologically?
Sup Pagan bros.
I like finns a lot. I knew a finnish girl and loved her more than anything. But I don't know about their mythology. And they are a really weird people. They probably didn't subjugate Finland because there was nothing there for them.
You have to look for the obvious answers when you're talking about history mate.
>Not understanding that the Northmen traded with the Byzantines and surrounding groups
>Thinking that a white man being hung upside-down from a tree with an arrow out his back is anywhere near a kike being nailed to a cross
It's like you're not even trying.
I haven't read revelations in a while but let's compare genesis to the Germanic story of creation shall we?
>god created birds and trees today
>god creates man, rests on the 7th day
>meanwhile ginnungagap and the fiery realm of the south meets, no one knows how they came to be, no one knows the deepest secret of creation, how these two primal forces arose
>the forces of muspellheim and niflheim converge, make a poisonous ice world and give birth to adumula the cow who licks the father of the gods out of ice
I fucked up on spelling a lot but already you can see just how much more detailed the pagan story is.
How can any pagan be proud of their religion when monotheism has run rampant and trampled their native religions into the dirt?
No matter how 'white' Odinism is, the rest of the world is still following a kike on a stick.
Not trying to instigate a flame war, just genuinely curious.
Okay, but we aren't talking about the Bible or the story of Genesis for that matter are we? We are talking about mythological battles. I can use my imagination myself; though I agree the oral tradition of Nordic mythology does a good job of imagining things for people and telling it to them.
I always thought how Odin was "hung" from the world tree and pierced with a spear was entirely European.
The tree was a religious symbol of Europeans, the spear as far as I can remember has no significance in the hebrew books, (any of the 3 hebrew religions) and the hanging part I always considered as a gallows, since Odin himself is lord of the gallows and could speak to a man who was hanged by the neck and already dead. He could reanimate them and talk to them. So I figured he hung himself by the neck from yggdrasil and stabbed himself with a spear, not dangled by his ankles or anything like that.
wwooow you guys are 2cool and edge ;)
Because it doesn't matter, it's an interesting religion and people should be glad that their ancestors thought of it.
The fact that everyone else is drinking the Jew Kool-Aid doesn't really come into it.
>the spear as far as I can remember has no significance in the hebrew books
You remember incorrectly.
Gods take different forms, different aspects of their personalities and worshiped in different ways unique to regions and their needs. Most indo-european gods derive from the same archetypes of the original Aryan peoples, though some were imported.
If we still know who Odin was, it isn't really dead to me.
I think it's amazing how much we know about who our ancestors where and who they worshipped.
I mean when you think about it like this...
>say you are swedish
>uppsala closed in 1200
>814 years of christianity
>say all your grandpas in your paternal line lived to be 100
>that's 8 grandparents to go back to pagan times
I mean that's 8 people in a room you could talk to to take you back 800 years to pagan times, and if they told stories to their children that could maybe be 5 or 6 people with direct memories to pagan times back then. I just think it's crazy how long it's been, yet how short it has been that christianity has had a rule over Europeans.
I don't even know if that makes sense to anyone.
Or Pagans were proto-Christians and realized the facets of God and applied them to various anthropomorphized persona and examples of his creation in nature as a prelude to the coming of Christ and His fulfillment of what they already knew in their soul.
The holy spear was a roman weapon though that killed the jew jesus.
That was a European thing and not a naturally jewish thing. Which supports my idea in teh post you replied to.
And all of those links to the spear of destiny and what not was decided by romans who where incharge of seeing where the church would go.
It is not about liking it is about believing
>How can any pagan be proud of their religion
It's closer to nature and the human spirit.
>How can any pagan be proud of their religion when monotheism has run rampant and trampled their native religions into the dirt?
Instead of trying to fix the whole world at once it's best to just get your own affairs in order, your own family and life. Like Vargs is doing. There still is space and time to go back to pagan ways...
I'm not sure if you are the person I was replying to, if so then I accept, if not then my understanding of the post was that 'entirely European' was a not-so-subtle dig on Christianity being 'semetic' or 'hebrew'.
>I always thought how Odin was "hung" from the world tree and pierced with a spear was entirely European.
>I always thought how Odin was "hung" from the world tree and pierced with a spear was entirely non-Christian/'hebrew'.
But paganism has no place for zionism or the jews. It's a purely tribal thing. There would be absolutely no room for the kikes or even a grey area they could jew themselves into.
great answers, guys. Another question: what do I do if I'm a pan-European hybrid? I wouldn't even have a specific 'racial religion', since I'm Spanish-Irish-Scottish, and I don't really know if there is a connecting thread there. Just pick up something Norse instead?
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I am that person you are replying to.
You see some people think that Germanic paganism took from christianity to make the story of odin hanging on yggdrasil, while others think Christianity took from the paganism to fit to the local people and make them easier to convert.
As you can see by what I said here
That the whole "hanging" from yggdrasil was a literal hanging as we know it today and not the type of nailed to the tree like jesus was.
You know what I'm sayin'?
they converted out of pragmatism and power. Rollo the Walker for example was basically bribed into converting. The king gave him a city state in exchange for conversion.
He never really became a real christian, always a pagan at heart, but his conversion would have an effect on other vikings...
Vikings were pretty open to other gods and personifications of their values being polytheists.
No no no, if someone asks you, "what are you?" what do you say?
I mean if there's a European who is 90% German and 10% Irish he will probably answer "German." So what do you identify as? What books and culture are you most drawn to out of your heritage?
Same here. Agnostic (i'm Romanian) and i don't know what pagan religion to pick.I fell close to roman paganism(since romanians claim to be descendants of romans), do you think it will be a good choice?
To start you have to know the basics.
Then start praying. In the interwebs you can find some "how to"s. Or you find fellow pagans near you.
Remember that it is not a lawreligion. The 9 virtues are more like guidelines.
Why call yourself a pagan?
It's like a Buddhist calling himself a nigger
Sure, just find Gods or characters that personify the virtues you value and pay honor to them by embodying them in your life.
As long as it's european its of your ancestors.
Choose whichever you want, I'm sticking to Slavic since I'm a Slav myself but the source is really fucking limited especially since my country was the first to convert to Christianity. Nordic is always a good choice.
I know nothing at all about what the spanish believed in, but if you tell other people you're spanish, then you must identify as that. See what you can come up with for Spanish paganism.
> tfw be Lithuanian
> tfw ancestors fought tooth and nail to not be converted to christianity
> tfw they were the last european pagans more or less
> being attacked on all fronts
> sucumb to treachery after a few years
> From a great empire, that went from the baltic sea to the black sea, we're now a shithole.
> No way of recovering, since everyone is either killing themselves or leaving the country.
> Still go to our pagan festivals that happen during the year.
> Feel that our ancestors are in anguish for what we have become.
Old spanish believes =/= todays spanish culture.
I think that the western culture, the caroligian culture, is ultimativly doomed. Simply because it is their time to perish. So We as pagans have the chance to be the seeds of the next european culture.
Do some research, read, refine your believe. And maybe you and your children will be the great founding fathers of a new culture.
So you don't have to view your self as a spainiard but as a iberian.
I'm thinking of tripping on mushrooms while participating in some kind of ritual as well.
That or being at home listening to music like >>34985812 and reading Asatru literature. Maybe I'll come to some insights
Christfags and mudslimes get so butthurt over the fact that they basically worship a shit tier god who took credit for everything he didn't do.
If you are white and worship a kike god, you should probably just kill yourself.
I noticed that even tho pagans were quite seperate from one another, but all of the pagan gods were in one or another way similar. Like highly similar.
Then again, nature is nature, same for human emotions and events that the gods embody.
I like this
>but all of the pagan gods were in one or another way similar. Like highly similar.
>what is indo-european religion
>Then again, nature is nature, same for human emotions and events that the gods embody.
Jesus Christ m8
Well Varg says some weird stuff and makes his own history but he's the fucking man... man.
I'd follow him into glorious battle any day.
>What do you guys think of Hinduism?
hinduism is pretty alien to Europe. Different culture, rituals, values, family life, metaphysics, poetry, food, lifestyle, art, crafts, etc...
polytheism makes more sense than monotheism to me.
multiple gods influencing various aspects of reality, being at odds with each other, causing havoc here and there.
the all-good, loving and all-powerful God idea doesn't mesh with reality as it is...he asks us to perform some insane mental gymnastics to justify his inaction and lack of presence.
I just hope for the love of whatever deity that you guys aren't into this shit because of cheesy metal bands.
>mfw there are metal heads that get mjöllnir tattoos on their backs or get a hammer pendant because of being into a folk metal band
>mfw most of these people aren't even of Nordic heritage
>The ones that are mostly Irish mention some almost non-existent percentage of their heritage from being a viking rape baby
Now, if you're genuinely into this, that's fine and carry on.
Ancient hinduism is pretty close to old paganism of europe, the rig veda contains hymns to a sky deity who hurls thunder, much like zeus and thor and has many cognate gods to european paganism. The poetry of the mahabharata is almost identical in linguistic form to the illiad (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-relation-between-the-Greek-Epics-and-the-Mahabharata)
Hinduism however became corrupted by the dravidians who integrated their culture into the vedic aryan conquerors several millennia ago and what you see now is the degradation of pagan ways by the dark population of india.
Latest Burzum album, based Varg released it on youtube for free.
Got any more of those, guys? Damn, eastern europeans know their shit...
Search wikipedia for norse mithology, and then read the sources. If they were realeased later than 1900 don't bother with them, they're full of shit.
you could find some 15th century books that will be a noice read.
In my opinion this is required reading for anyone interested in Norse religion