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A Warning from South Africa to Europe and the United States

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By Gemma Meyer

People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).

Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.

America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability.

But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.
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That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.

Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."

Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for our society.

The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia - is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.

Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.

It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.
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White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.

We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's history.

The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school proteges. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."

Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.

From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.
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A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.

In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.

What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.
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>>34518305
This is why we don't need Sweden to commit suicide as an example country. We already have examples of what's to come.
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In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.

What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.

In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.

What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?
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Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.

Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.

In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.

When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.

Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.

What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.

Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.
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Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.

To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your posessions, your power, and your status.

And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.

They know what to do.

Do you?
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>>34518643
brilliant
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This applies to Europe aswell.
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The fact that this was written in 2005 and so accurately reflects what is going on today is incredibly eerie. I can only imagine how much worse things will get from here on out.
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fucking based
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bump get in here /pol/
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Don't let the kikes slide this shit.
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Tldr, don't become sweden
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I'm a yellow skinned Asian and this gave me a chill in my spine. Very good read. Fuck shitskins and niggers.
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>>34518305
>>34518317
>>34518371
>>34518421
>>34518547
>>34518596
>>34518643

I swear to you /pol/, I swear to fucking God this fight is far from done. Things will get far worse before they get better, but I swear to you that this is not the end.

Storms coming.
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>>34519321
Well, this IS the future for all nations if we don't stop it. It should even scare africans.
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>tfw the same shit doesn't only affect the USA, but also northern/western Europe

Fuck leftist hippie traitors.
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This applies to all whites.
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>>34519321
Just focus on the Jews. Without Jews and their immigration "reform", most people would have stayed in their homelands.
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We have to fight back.
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bump for most important thread of the day
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Fuck south africa, is that a joke kid? Are you trying to defend white nationalism in South Africa? Wow
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>>34519542
But you are still not doing anything about the fact your people have become overly docile and lost their drive to fight. Now they just want to "negotiate" and "have peace". That's what created the leftist epidemic.
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Well, thank the fucking kikes.
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>>34518371
>Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.

lel, this guy has never personally met an American in his life. As a dishonest, confrontational, perverse, and greedy people, they might actually be ripe for being kings of the jungle when it all caves in. After the collapse, there will be chaos and warlords, but those warlords will have white skin.
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>>34519598
Fuck off dirty kike.
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>>34519598
I defend the principle of nationalism for all peoples in all lands, South Africa included.

Freedom is the sovereign right of every American.
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>>34519598
It is not our responsibility to educate you.
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Good read.

Bumping.
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>>34519598
>Country built by Europeans
>Niggers immigrate because of better living conditions
>HUE fuck whitey xD
>country goes to shit in barely 20 years, still declining
top lel
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>>34518305

This is perfect.
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>>34519442
Paraphrasing Hitler and Dr. William Pierce, the liberally minded, too, are victims. Those very souls who betray us now would have been the staunchest race-realists in another world. They are a type much more susceptible to suggestion, and, without proper guidance, are easily misled.

Only a very few contrive their own morality.
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>>34520023
that's not nationalism.
nationalism is defensive, to imply having nationalism on land offensively taken is quite ridiculous.
it's just failure when nationalism is taken down that route. nazi germany was a great nation when it was actually nationalist. when its strength was used outwards for offensive reasons and thus no longer nationalist they fucking got destroyed and ruined nationalism forever for europeans.


it's fucking sickening that this sect of nationalist thinking still exists. it keeps true nationalism down.
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>>34519598
Why not?

You might recall that when officers of the Dutch East India Company landed at the Cape, there were no Xhosa or Zulu people for hundreds of miles. Certainly the Hottentots and Bushmen have an older claim to that land than the whites do, but they are much diminished and have basically mixed with the Afrikaners (that's where the Coloured people came from).

Until the Cape Frontier or Xhosa Wars, there had been very little contact between Cape Colony and the people who would later become the majority population of modern South Africa.

Virtually all of southern Africa was originally inhabited by bushmen, Hottentots and pygmies who were displaced by tribes from further north - the people we normally call Africans or Black Africans (this is called the Bantu migration). Only in western South Africa were they displaced only partially by Europeans.. For thousands of years, the Cape was inhabited by these people, joined by Europeans in the 1600s.

Then the blacks began to flood into the eastern half of what is now South Africa, then the white cities starting after the 1940s. This is when the National Party came to power, and began a desperate effort to keep at least parts of the country a white preserve. This effort failed, and eventually whites were forced to give up sovereignty over all of South Africa including the West.

Today, the Western Cape is being flooded with black Africans fleeing the misgoverned Eastern Cape, and within a few decades, there will be no part of South Africa that is demographically unique.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3594722?uid=3738392&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104551669847

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=288172&sn=Detail
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>>34518305
nice wp thx op
White Power!
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>>34520805
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ccbh/souls/vol2no2/vol2num2art6.pdf
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ccbh/souls/vol2no2/vol2num2art6.pdf
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ccbh/souls/vol2no2/vol2num2art6.pdf
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Were South Africans ever armed?

It may go down a little differently if we can fight back.
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>>34520805
>You might recall

>implying liberals have an accurate understanding of history
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>>34520839
Tod den Juden
Tod den Schwarzen
Tod allen Feinde des Volk
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>>34520805

Anti-apartheid rhetoric is terrifyingly similar to pro-immigration rhetoric in America. Actually, it's identical. The basic principle of the pro-immigration movement is that since the US is a settler state founded by racist whites, it has no right to deny non-whites from other nations of the Americas from coming in; that it's built on slavery, land theft and the exploitation of poor Latin Americans; that its borders are artificial.
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The basic principles of anti-apartheid activists were that since white South Africa was a settler state founded by racist whites, it has no right to deny non-whites from the labour reserves and the TVBC states from coming in; that it's built on slavery, land theft and the exploitation of poor blacks in the homelands; that its borders are artificial.
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>>34518305

whites aren't going to go quitely. South Africa getting taken over by niggers was inevitable. You're on their fucking continent. Other parts of the Western world CAN wake up
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>>34520979
How much fighting back has the white man done so far in America?

None, none as their neighborhoods have become infected with Mexicans. Whites have fought back neither with guns or with votes. Whites will just move into their gated neighborhoods like they always do.
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>>34520797
>offensively
implying the natives didnt run the fuck away as soon as the europeans arrived
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>>34520797
The Reich was acting defensively. You may remember this giant thing called the Soviet Union.

Poland wasn't going to stop it.
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>>34521100
I really only think parts of Europe will wake up, because they actually have nationalistic parties, many Europeans view Europe as their continent, and Europe has a long history of invaders and warfare.

I don't think the entire United States will wake up. White Americans don't see themselves as a tribe, America was built on greed, slavery, and labor exploitation from the beginning, and many Americans still think that whites have no claim to the land.
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>>34521169
uh the soviet union was purging its generals and high ranking military officers and then when it was invaded it literally went on to make the most ridiculous strategies that made its command look like shit because it was shit they were literally being killed by stalin if he had a bad gut feeling about them.

The whole * le stalin was planning to invade europe * was such garbage.
Hitler had already expressed his dreams of invading russia many years before russia ever became even close to being a threat. let a lone a threat to the entirety of europe lel

The reich was acting offensively, it was built on nationalism and died when it abandoned it.
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>>34521372
>he whole * le stalin was planning to invade europe * was such garbage.
Man FUCK YOU no it isn't.
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>>34521298
Well, the good thing about the United States is that blacks are only about 10% of the overall population. They'll never be able to take over like South Africa.

Still I feel bad that our government is partially responsible for what happened to South Africa, I think white SA people should be allowed to come over here and settle in America instead of staying in that country.
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http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/28988520/

Johannesburg - If the ANC wins the Western Cape in the 7 May general election, Cosatu will ask it to fire more than half the white senior civil servants, the Cape Argus reported on Thursday.

"Their employment would have to be terminated - and within a year," Congress of SA Trade Unions provincial secretary Tony Ehrenreich was quoted as saying.

"They’ll have to go and start their own businesses. They are better placed to start their own businesses because they have both the networks and the historical infrastructure to do this."

He said the "sunset clauses" in relation to jobs were gone, and so should "continued white preference".

"The most recent figures we have are that senior management at the provincial government is made up of at least 57% whites," he said.

Whites made up only about 16% of the population.

"That means whites are over-represented in terms of the demographics of the Western Cape - so roughly half the whites in senior positions in provincial government would have to go," he said.

http://www.news24.com/Elections/News/Fire-white-civil-servants-in-W-Cape-Cosatu-20140417
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1. Whites in the USA are incredibly armed
2. Most white Americans are incredibly patriotic
3. Whites still hold all the money
4. Whites have no problem letting the police/national guard grind protests into the dirt
5. It is a 2 party state that are both extremely similar, both fueled by greed (see point 3)
6. Americans have a combative nature and will result to violence if needed
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>>34521406
lol, straight A propaganda.
If hitler was somehow alive right now and you were to ask him about this and he had to be perfectly honest.
Do you think he would tell you he truly was invading to defend europe from russia invading?
Or would he tell you he had these motivations all along as evident in mein kampf when russia wasn't a threat to shit and was even losing wars to japan?
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>>34519321
Based Anon
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>>34521511

it's like the nigs want their country to be a shithole
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>>34521531
>3. Whites still hold all the money

Who are you calling "white," goy?
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>>34521568
>russia wasn't a threat to shit and was even losing wars to japan

top kek

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol
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>>34521531
>>34521613
105/442 American billionaires are Jews. That's 24% - not overwhelming dominance but certainly enough to sway American foreign and immigration policy significantly in the direction the Jews want it.
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>>34521531
>6. Americans have a combative nature and will result to violence if needed

Americans are fat lazy pussies who never do anything
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>>34521681
>registered billionaires
those aren't the ones that you should be worried about
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Seriously, is there a way to bring this issue up with the people who pushed for apartheid in SA?
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>>34521811
What do you mean?
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>>34521671
>1939

this isn't relevant to when Hitler first expressed his views of wanting to take eastern europe for germans.
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>>34521830
To say "Hey look, you pushed for apartheid in SA and now it's a wasteland" to these people?
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>>34521839
Having that plan and fortifying the eastern front KNOWING Russia would get involved in any military action which was coming is still defensive.
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>>34518512
>We already have examples of what's to come.

Not yet, not until widespread murder starts on a national scale and not this drip-drop stuff that is going on. That isn't to say it isn't incomparably brutal, see http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

But it isn't enough for liberal whites to really understand what we're facing.
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>>34521885
Apartheid was a good policy.

I think you mean "You pushed for ending Apartheid in SA and now it's a wasteland" and the answer is no because these pigfuckers refuse to acknowledge that history exists as a component of Cultural Marxism.
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>>34521100
>. South Africa getting taken over by niggers was inevitable. You're on their fucking continent.

So what's your plan for the Mexicans ?
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>>34521904
actually destroying western europes power * france and brit * all for the sake of * le dont worry guys ill end up soloing russia for you IN THE END YOU WILL THANK ME *

nazi germany paved the war for american domination, and killed nationalism.
what a piece of shit
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>>34518305
For all whites (and other races who may be interested), the full correct answer to the sorts of situations the OP is talking about is (in steps):

1. Boxcars
2. Camps
3. Showers
4. Ovens
5. Trenches

Repeat as necessary.
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>>34521811
I assume you mean "the end of"

But a lot of liberals are well aware of how shitty it turned out.

A letter to Mandela from Breyten Breytenbach, a former MK member who went to prison under South Africa's Immorality Act:

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/12/mandelas-smile/

Anne Paton, the widow of former Liberal Party leader writes a sad postscript on how it all went wrong: ("Fly, the beloved country")

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/924795/replies?c=1&q=1&;page=21

Premier liberal journalist and author Rian Malan who left the country for decades to avoid being drafted and wrote a number of scathing significant anti-apartheid articles both for South African and Western newspapers predicts "sad decay" for South Africa:

http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/14th-october-2006/14/south-africas-future-will-not-be-civil-war-but-sad
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>>34521946

>>34521885
*ending apartheid

sorry
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>>34521935
>liberal whites to really understand

Yer fucking kidding, right ?

Those idiots WANT to see the country burn, to appease their white guilt.
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>>34521976
mexicans are spanish, most of them are hardly native. it's quite ridiculous to make that comparison.
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>>34520839
>>34521062

Nice attempt at normalizing coarse response. Fuck yourself.
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>>34522000
FRANCE AND GREAT BRITAIN DECLARED WAR ON GERMANY NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
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>>34518547

To anyone who is reading these, it is Happening Tier right now. Pic related.

Here is what you should do:
1. Panic.

Yes, panic. You're going to do that anyway so you might as well get it out of the way. When you are done panicking, come back.

2. Prepare for a worst case scenario, but hope for the best.

Guns, ammo, food, water and knowledge.

3. STOP BEING DEMORALIZED

A demoralized goy is a stupid goy.

Occupy seats in local government. Get involved in your town. Don't let anyone tell you this is impossible or useless. It is fuck easy, and has many uses.

At the end of the day what really matters is your life in your community. The Jew cannot be everywhere at once, but wherever the Jew goes, they will try to do this. The only question for you is: would you rather it be them + boomer politicians or you?

If you think the Jew can be everywhere at once and prepare for the collapse exclusively without getting involved in what you can change then congratulations you are creating a self fulfilled prophecy and your local institutions will also fall but this time because of your own inaction.

TAKE OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS BACK

>in during demoralized replies telling people it is a waste of time to do this (as they post on 4chan)
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>>34522079
Actually most of the immigrants the US receives are dark-skinned. An increasing number of them are pure-blooded indigenous Americans who don't even speak Spanish, it's becoming a serious problem for the federal government which often has a hard time finding people who can speak their obscure languages often spoken by only a few thousand people.

http://www.amren.com/news/2014/08/some-speak-mayan-illegal-kids-swamp-public-schools/
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>>34522091
>coarse response
Huh say what?
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>>34521502
It's the Mexicans and South American countries that are invading. You're looking in the wrong direction. They already sell the drugs our people want. They have political rheortic to exonerate them from any responsibility to face justice. They don't want to co-habitate with us, they want to BE us and dominate us while retaining the power and status the US has.
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>>34522079
>mexicans are spanish, most of them are hardly native.


Oh so that means they won't be flooding into America, like the niggers did in SA.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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>>34522041
Good shit Anon, thanks for posting.
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>>34522151
These people are discriminated against in Mexico itself.
All of mexicos government and military and powerful positions are clearly spaniards and not natives.
So the natives have the most motivation to leave the nation.

To imply mexico is a native nation is quite ridiculous.

Especially if you are just showing evidence that some of these people aren't even hispanic and actually speak native language.
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>>34522278
So what's your point?
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>>34522041
>Anne Paton, the widow of former Liberal Party leader writes a sad postscript on how it all went wrong: ("Fly, the beloved country")

Skimmed this. No sentiments about regretting ending apartheid at all. It's all about why she wants to leave.

So, no sense of accountability for the fuck-up?

I haven't read the rest.
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>>34522126
Wow the ignorance.
How many nations did germany invade prior to france/u.k saying they would forcefully intervene if germany kept invading nations? and then it kept doing it like some arrogant faggot?

it invaded knowing it would mean war with u.k and france.
your comment just comes off so fucking dumb kid
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>>34522320
You can't expect people who have been working for the liberal cause their whole lives to totally go GTKRWN.
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>>34518862
>>34519387
>>34519404
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>>34519565
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>>34519776
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>>34521811

See:

>>34522134

TL;DR Don't be stupid goys just "waiting", demoralized, on 4chan for the collapse to come... at that point you will be at a SEVERE disadvantage.

I think someone mentioned "it's ok, whites have guns and blacks are only 10%" or something like that.

Kek. Modern warfare changes things for all you gunfaggots. Sorry to say it, but it's true. Let's not forget that non-Hispanic whites are 63% right now, possibly much lower.

It isn't just the blacks who will revolt against whitey.

Why wait? Do you want war? Stupid goys I swear. Sometimes I think the Jews were right about you. Even Asians have recognized that war is a bad thing. If you have to fight, that is only a sign you've lost all the previous battles (Sun Tzu, Art of War). Fighting is a last resort.
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>>34522346
"invading' Territories that were stolen from you/ belong to your culture.

What is this shit?
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>>34522059

>Yer fucking kidding, right ?

>Those idiots WANT to see the country burn, to appease their white guilt

I disagree, they want a black success story. There are actually a few countries in Africa that are doing pretty well but none have the kind of infrastructure or wealth that SA does when it was handed over.

The question is, what are liberals going to do when the genocide starts? It is going to happen because either the ANC or Malema is going to need a scapegoat to maintain legitimacy and whites still have a good bit of money.
Whipping up material jealousy would be easy against whites and Malema is already doing it, I believe he is polling at 30% last time I checked. The other party, the DA doesn't really have a chance because it is seen as a "white party".

I believe we'll here something like "This is a tragedy for humanity, we're all south africans tonight (probably someone like Al Sharpton saying this). While it is regrettable blah blah legacy of apartheid blah blah blanket dismissal of death toll in the hundreds of thousands if not higher"
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>>34522346
Stck the treaty of Versailles up your ass, Jew.
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>>34522320
Oh come on, she's an old woman and a liberal, what do you expect her to write?

This part is pretty close:

>Of course, there was a lot of crime in the wicked old days but nothing like this. It was a police state. If people were wandering around, the police would drive up and say, "Where is your pass?" and lock them up. Now you can do anything and go anywhere.

>Here is another quote from my husband's book: "Cry, the beloved country, for the unborn child that is the inheritor of our fear. Let him not love the earth too deeply. Let him not laugh too gladly when the water runs through his fingers, nor stand too silent when the setting sun makes red the veld with fire. Let him not be too moved when the birds of his land are singing, nor give too much of his heart to a mountain or a valley. For fear will rob him of all if he gives too much."

>What has changed in half a century? This quote is as apt now as it was then. A lot of people who were convinced that everything would be all right are disillusioned, although they don't want to admit it.
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>>34522364
>GTKRWN

what?
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>>34519387
What are these people organizing for?
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>>34521502
I feel like the census is rigged to shit. Everywhere I go these days I just see nore and more niggys.
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>>34522420

Don't reply to it. If you become ensnared in its argument, the thread becomes derailed. Focus on the topic, please.
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>>34522410
What will happen is that liberals will blame former NP policy for creating an oppressed violent class of uncivilizable people.

That's what happened in Zimbabwe - the radicalization of modern ZANU-PF activists and their terrible violence is recast as the terrible fruit of former Rhodesian Front policy that stoked racial inequality and black rage.
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>>34522439

gas the kikes race war now
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>>34522506
This.

>legacy of apartheid
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>>34522041

http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/14th-october-2006/14/south-africas-future-will-not-be-civil-war-but-sad

>I knew in my bones that it would come to this, but somewhere along the line I got tired of stinking up my surroundings with predictions of doom, so I shut up and went with the flow. Ergo, I cannot say I told you so. But I have a pretty good idea why things went wrong, and it all began with ‘transformation’, a euphemism for ridding the Civil Service of whites, especially white males. Under apartheid, those chaps ran everything. Clearly this had to change, but white males carried the institutional memory in their brains, and the blacks who replaced them tended to flounder. This led to what we call ‘capacity problems’, a euphemism for blacks who couldn’t or wouldn’t carry out the jobs for which they were paid. Capacity problems in turn led to crises in electricity supply, refuse removal, road maintenance, healthcare, law enforcement and so on. Again, white malcontents have complained about such things for years, but you know you’re in trouble when an eminent black journalist like Justice Malala dismisses the Mbeki administration as an ‘outrage’, characterised by ‘a shocking lack of leadership’ on the part of a Cabinet riddled with ‘incompetent, inept and arrogant’ buffoons.

He could have saved all that effort and just said "niggers gonna nig"
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>>34522403
>another super dumbass comment thats ignorant facts purposely or out of ignorance

not every nation nazi germany invaded prior to war was german.

I mean you should be more self aware about how your commnets look when you say stuff like that knowing it's not completely true faggot
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http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=246258&sn=Detail&pid=71616

The 2001 UNDP Report showed that South Africa had slumped to 0.604 due its high Aids rate and lower per capita income due to the (then) weak Rand. The fact that South Africa under ANC rule had slumped even behind its 1975 figure was so much the opposite of what the SACP (and ANC) wanted to hear that they promptly lost all interest in the HDR. After 2001 each successive new HDR was largely ignored.

In fact they were objective measurements all right and by 2010 the HDR showed that South Africa’s score had fallen again to 0.597, placing the country 110th out of 172 countries surveyed. (Zimbabwe was in 172nd place.) Had South Africa maintained its 1995 score it would have been 59th. That is, under ANC rule South Africa has fallen 51 places, a fair measure of the catastrophic failures this period has seen.

And this is not just due to Aids. Poverty, inequality, unemployment the health services and education have all got worse and even the Aids figures would have been a lot better but for Mbeki’s Aids denialism which the ANC did not in any way counter or contradict. The straightforward fact is that ANC rule has been an awful failure not just in terms of this measure, the HDI index, which the ANC previously embraced, but when judged on any objective terms at all.

Yet this is not acknowledged by the ANC. Instead the standard line is that the ANC has achieved an enormous amount but that much remains to be done. To the extent that things are not as they should be, this is due to the inheritance of apartheid. Yet the HDI figures mock this view for they show beyond dispute that South Africa’s HDI figure was far higher in 1995, after nearly 50 years of apartheid, than it was in 2010 after 16 years of ANC rule. Moreover, the trend continues to be downward. Yet few members of the black ANC elite are willing to face this fact.
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>>34522134
>Occupy seats in local government. Get involved in your town. Don't let anyone tell you this is impossible or useless. It is fuck easy, and has many uses.

No one on 4chan will ever do this. Meanwhile, political involvement is part of Jewish life. Each Jewish person has been involved politically at one point in their lives whether it be attending protests or handing out holocaust rememberance ribbons at their school as part of their student organization. Simple things like that which help them as a whole, and pro-Whites fail to do. Preparing for SHTF has its uses but Jews do that too (Israeli citizenship, or hopping to the next nation over to stay with relatives, or finding distant Argentina relatives who fled Europe and networking with them).

If pro-Whites do not start scheduling activities besides posting on the comments sections of boards we are fucked.
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>>34522160
That's a nice reaction image
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>your sanctions kill my country and let niggers go nig
>however, let me warn you about niggers

Boers, didn't you want some revenge?
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>>34522954
Don't be so pessimistic.

Consider how even shit like the Darren Wilson fundraiser are drawing more and more people into places like /pol/ where free speech is allowed

Imagine the number of people redpilled
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>>34518305
Every time I see the Black Sun on thie board I physically cringe, at who utterly stupid most humans are.
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>>34523036
Redpilled to DO what though? Troll on 4chan?
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>>34519598
Yeah, I can't believe people would actually care about decades of genocide
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>>34523036

It definitely has its uses, but more needs to be done. Think about the fact that JIDF are being paid. Think about that carefully. They are better than White capitalist libertarians for one reason: they care about their own people.
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‘Things were better in the bad old days’ - Andrew Quinn (http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/things-were-better-in-the-bad-old-days-1.98663)

Most South Africans, both black and white, believe the country was better run under apartheid and say unemployment and crime are the government’s top challenges, according to two new polls released this week.

… they also revealed a growing sense of “apartheid nostalgia” as South Africa grapples with high crime rates, increasing corruption and rising joblessness following the end of white rule in 1994.

Overall, the polls showed that about 60 percent of South Africans felt the country was better run under apartheid, with both blacks and whites rating the current government less trustworthy, more corrupt, less able to enforce the law and less able to deliver government services than its white predecessor.

The surveys also found respondents giving more positive assessment of apartheid-era policies.
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>>34523082
South africa is a threat to actual nationalism.
If this piece of shit colony tries to ally itself with right wing/nationalist parties that may end up in power then it will be a source of offensive nationalism fighting for its right to live and maybe even EXPAND on this foreign soil.
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>>34523150
And that would be bad why?
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>>34523038
Why's that?
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>>34523150
...What? Why? Your logic is that if whites reclaimed power they would militarily reclaim Namibia or something?
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>>34523228
And I don't get what he's saying, if they did why would that be a bad thing anyway? SWAPO are cunts and would deserve to get overthrown.
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>>34523253
Yeah I really don't get his logic. SA under apartheid never tried to expand it's territory.
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>>34523276
South Africa did try to help Portuguese Africa and Rhodesia when doing so was perceived to be in its interests.

But either way, even if a hypothetical future white nation in Africa did expand its borders, I don't see why that would be a bad thing anyway.
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>>34523253
Its such a great idea but first you'd need to overthrow the Jews, the Illuminati, the United States, the United Nations, NATO, Russia, China and India.
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>>34522346
>>34521839

Because Russia wasn't trying to expand West since before WW1, and hated Austria-Hungary for expanding East, right?

And the Soviet Union had not invaded a fuck ton of land from its founding all the way up to WW2, right? And totally took Poland for its own good, right? You're aware Hitler got into a small conflict with the USSR over their plans to invade Finland because he said it was not necessary and blatantly aggressive, right?

And the Socialist uprisings in the German Revolution right after WW1 wasn't funded by the USSR and resulted in the fall of the German Empire and establishment of the Weimar Republic, which turned the German people's lives upside down, to appease the Socialists, right?


Do a fuck ton of research on events going on at the time and see that, while Hitler did become an inane shit head, he was actually 100% correct about the threat of the Soviet Union. The Socialists had been chipping away at Germany since the end of WW1. Go read about the terror tactics of Socialists groups in Post-WW1 Germany until Hitler started persecuting them
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>>34523185
There is a difference between racial supremacy and nationalism.
There is a fine line being crossed when it comes to nationalism in SA and nationalism in europe.
SA especially under apartheid in a foreign land is aggressive racial supremacy.
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>>34523081

This is a place of knowledge and discussion, where we grow ideas and have vital dialogues.
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>>34520797
>on land offensively taken is quite ridiculous.

No one lived on that land. At most, the Zulu used it as an are to travel through, but lived nowhere within the borders of South Africa.

Now, go read on the aggressive expansion of the Zulu and how they were committing genocide during the time the Dutch were building a nation.
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>>34523426
And that is bad why...?

Besides, whites have been in South Africa for a very long time at this point, I don't see why you're basically siding with the blacks and calling them settlers who don't really belong.
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You talk about the "third world" as if it were a thing or a person, the old trick of generalization of the enemy that every dictator used in history. You seriously think that that "white compasion" is inherently white and american? Wtf dude. Like almost every human being feels compasion. the fact that your culture uses compassion and charity as propaganda and as a way of quiting that heavy guilt you have of making the whole world your slave. I really understand what you say about rodhesia and south africa and western compassion being a weak point, but you are treating everyone and every other country as violent and wild beasts that only want to destry the white man, that is just plain retard. It made me remember how religions impose their morals as if they where the ones that invented love compassion and respect.
I understand the pain of seing your nation destroyed by niggers, but you have to think that what those niggers did was what the colonizers have been doing to them since forever. You cant expect a whole continent buried in pain slavery and ignorance of almost all knowledge in the world to simply behave like you where thought to.
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>>34523515
>almost every human being feels compasion


Well, that counts niggers out.
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>>34523515
>you have to think that what those niggers did was what the colonizers have been doing to them since forever

But it's not

Whites came to South Africa and increased black life expectancy and living standards

Black South Africans come to white cities and neighbourhoods and turn them into shitholes

>>34522041
>>34522910
>>34523134

tl;dr fuck you nigger
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>>34523426
Nationalism is coterminous with racial supremacy.
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>>34523515
>almost every human being feels compassion

Niggers confirmed for animals!

Niggers BTFO!

BTFO
T
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>>34523482
It's a subjective. I don't agree with it. it's aggressive racial supremacy that borders on eliminating entire peoples. at best keeping them in cages once they reach a certain very tiny number just so they don't go extinct.

Basically that's what happened to the native americans, reserves have kept them from going completely extinct by preventing them from being completely genetically assimilated by whites
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Damn it /pol/ I want to get off this wild ride. How much more can the white race take before we snap and restore our people?
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>>34523426
The whole point of grand apartheid was that every people in South Africa would be master of its own land.

I don't see why whites having their own land while letting blacks rule themselves is "omg white supremacy" while a unitary state where whites are forced to live under "majority rule" is "democracy and freedom"
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>>34521531
>what are PMCs?
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>>34523703
But the black population exploded under white rule in South Africa. Poverty levels fell, abortion was illegal, life expectancy rose, and in the last few decades of white rule, and the gap in incomes between the races shrank.

Only a completely deluded SJW can try to claim that NP policy - especially in its final decades under the likes of Botha - "bordered on eliminating" black people.
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>>34523713
Move to Russia.

Everything in the West is becoming about muh feelings instead of actual logic and reasoning.
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>>34523703
The African has no more right to exist than the mosquito.
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>>34523785
The problem is that Russia is a way shittier place than most Western nations, even if it does have pretty much no niggers, besides it has a lot of Caucasians (from the Caucasus, I don't mean whites) which are pretty much the same

Besides even Russian whites don't make great neighbours with their high AIDS rates, drug use and violent crime.
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>>34523729
None of those differ from the SA situation.
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>>34523832
Russians are literally white niggers.
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>>34523770
Yes of course that is the natural way of things.
If the black population * exploded * then why wouldn't they slowly gain more and more influence in SA till they ruled it as we see modern day?

SA apartheid didn't go a serious enough route to retain itself, plus it wouldn't have had any allies to reach out to anyway so that's good.

If europe had some nationalist right wing parties in power or as opposition parties with great influence I wouldn't be surprised if SA would have became another israel in that hypothetical world where it feels confident enough to expand like Israel and when it faces retaliation it pulls in europe with it
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>take your old, dead white racists and slaveholders off of your paper money
The left already talks about wanting to do that
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>>34522402
Will Hispanic be our enemy soon?
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>>34523947
>Yes of course that is the natural way of things.
>If the black population * exploded * then why wouldn't they slowly gain more and more influence in SA till they ruled it as we see modern day?

You seem happy with this.

I doubt many in SA are.
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>>34522134
We need to have a serious discussion about the fourth estate. In the age of the Internet, shouldn't it be commonplace for people to be accessing public data of their own accord and drawing their own conclusions? Shouldn't the role of news agencies be to provide informed commentary on numerical facts that everyone already knows, instead of carefully crafting offbeat stories for the sole purpose of distracting people from things like GDP reports and trade agreements?

Maybe no one else can relate, but I find the density of useful information on any given news website is very low. I routinely find myself going from the BBC to RT to Xinhua to various niche sites just to get a general idea of what's happening in the world and even then it never really feels complete. Call it autism, but I like comprehensiveness and I like hard numbers.

In fact, I'm in the process of building a non-profit service that tries to provide a unified real-time view of all kinds of information, from natural disasters to financial markets to newly released government reports to social media updates by public figures. But it's hard. For some things like GDP or trade balance, it boils down to either shelling out money to a data provider or going country by country and manually entering the numbers straight from government websites. And then we have the issue of governments fudging the numbers. And yet another issue is whether/how much data to include for subnational entities.

tl;dr - It's an impossible herculean task for people to try to organize all the available information out there and the mainstream media won't lift a finger to help us.
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>>34523134
>Most South Africans, both black and white, believe the country was better run under apartheid

>mfw they reintroduce something like apartheid to keep whites from fleeing increasing violence
>mfw within 10 years they start marching about "the injustice"
>mfw whites in white only countries is the only policy that has every made sense
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>>34524074
Yes I am happy that this happened.
If the right wing parties in europe can keep their shit together and keep some of their momentum going and possibly some getting into power I'd rather not have SA become a liability as it would tout the horn of * white nationalism *
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>>34523194
Because you're all dead men who don't understand these symbols and chronically misuse them.
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>>34524146
>>mfw they reintroduce something like apartheid to keep whites from fleeing increasing violence

It's not going to happen though. Black pride will preclude them from ever openly admitting that the verkrampte Nats were right. Just as most individuals are irrationally proud and hate admitting failure, the same is true for groups.
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As the EFF attracts support from more and more of the masses, the ANC will have to swing more harshly anti-white than ever before.

We will see the day when whites rather pathetically start to cling to the ANC as the "least of two evils" even as the party starts tightening its grip around the whites' collective neck. It's arguably already started. Go to news24.com and whenever there's an article about the ANC attacking an EFF rally, you can see a lot of comments from people who are clearly Afrikaners rallying behind the ANC just as they did during the Marikana business.

Basically, the whites shat on the ANC when they were going easy on whites, blacks are becoming angry, hostile and impatient and so are throwing their support behind the EFF, the DA is going nowhere, and the whites are faced with oblivion. But they will degrade and humiliate themselves even more before being destroyed, I am sure of that. If anyone thought the current situation was pathetic you haven't seen anything yet.

And remember, this is what has in the past been called the hardiest, most stubborn, most fearsome race of white people in existence.
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>>34524110
>shouldn't it be commonplace for people to be accessing public data of their own accord and drawing their own conclusions?

because people are retarded, lazy, stressed and over worked.

They WANT to be spoonfed garbage every evening; it's to just listen to someone else's opinions on the TV
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>>34518305
If White people had a country of our own, this would not be happening.
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>>34524221

I was just taking on a ridiculous premise to make a point. I don't think they'll reintroduce something like apartheid but from what I read that is effectively happening demographic wise. Many whites live behind barbed wire and armed guards unless you're in the squatter camps and then it's open season.
I expect full swing genocide within 20 years where most of the whites get our but a million or so stay behind and try to fight against ridiculous odds.
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>>34524307
How ignorant.
Ever heard of Eastern europe?
Look at Ukraine.
White as fuck, no africans or arabs or hispanics.
Oh wait that place has one of the shittiest purchasing power per capita in the world?
Wow fuck I guess you're right we better ignore eastern europe and hope no one else mentions it when we say * if only whites had a nation to their own *
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>>34524175
How am I misusing it, fuckface?
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>>34524260
>blacks are becoming angry, hostile and impatient and so are throwing their support behind the EFF

The EFF is who will throw persecution of whites into full swing if they are elected. The white votes are not enough to make up for the blacks getting angrier and angrier at the "Black diamonds".

My question is, will the ANC voluntarily give up power to the EFF if a fair election is held? The ANC is going to want to preserve their ability to keep robbing the country blind and there is a lot of patronage to pay for. That puts a high price on a electoral loss which might be unacceptable to the ANC.
I also think that if the ANC is going to lose it will start telling white western countries "Listen if we lose to Malemas party, he's going to attack the whites. We're the only real option here. We're going to have to cheat but it is much better off that way."
If the election is then stolen I'm sure it will lead to an armed conflict.
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>>34519626
It's the domestication of man. I suggest you people read about it. Most empires and societies have undergone this change. It basically goes by tribes being wild and carefree. First tribes adopted agriculture and became docile.

These tribes then formed the first societies and empires. The empires grew. With produce and wealth becoming plenty, people became "domesticated". The domesticated people became docile because of their newfound wealth and simply wanted to preserve the status quo no matter what the cost - even to themselves. Some outside tribe which is practically undomesticated sees how weak and docile the inhabitants of this society is and attack it from all fronts either from within or without. The undomesticated humans become the new masters and practically the process starts anew with them becoming large societies and empires over time then becoming to be docile and content with what they have then being conquered again by other undomesticated peoples. Rinse and repeat. It's a cycle. As much as I hate to admit it, the white man's reign is over:

Ecclesiastes 1:9
>The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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>>34524425
>Ever heard of Eastern europe?
None of those countries are White-only.
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You guys worry too damn much
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>>34524268
>They WANT to be spoonfed garbage every evening

Maybe that's why some of us go on /pol/ too often. Guilty as charged for me I suppose. Hopefully at some point governments recognize the benefit of making data releases as standardized, computer readable, and up-to-date as possible. Until then, human beings will have to populate databases by hand so that a handful of people can do analysis on them.
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>>34524464
O-OK Schlomo! Sorry for getting all paranoid there!
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>>34524425
>Look at Ukraine.
>White as fuck, no africans or arabs or hispanics

Do you have any idea how bad that place would be if it were full of blacks and arabs? It would be a fucking nightmare. The difference is that whites can into poverty while other groups go bat shit.
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>>34524463
Yes they are look at the demographics.
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>>34524460
This. pic related
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>>34518862
it's uncanny that this was written before Obama and Holder
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>>34524585
>Yes they are look at the demographics.
Are non-Whites barred from entry or citizenship? No?

Then they're not White-only.
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>>34524457
>If the election is then stolen I'm sure it will lead to an armed conflict.

Niggers killing niggers is fine.

tbh, white South Africans should have left a long time ago.
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>>34524055
umm.. yeah. They are loyal to their race.
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>>34524013
They've done it with school, street names, statues, etc.
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>>34524055
What is Aztlan anon?
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>>34523647
That's because you are talking about a specific white man, the boers. You have to remember that the boers went to africa scaping from uk protestantism. The white angloamerican man did everything at hand to diminish and destroy boer countries (SA, Rodhesia) because they were increasing civil rghts for niggers making the laboral exploitation not so viable. Also the angloamerican white man imoosed heavy economical sanctions to SA and helped to spread the apartheid bullshit. You have the wrong enemy dude. Niggers where a very isolated and stuck in time race. In order to civilize them you would need a lot of time and investment, a couple of generations would be needed and that is something that you can see all over the world. Millons of well manered african descendants. But what can you expect of those who didn't have the oportunity to learn and being instructed in the modern world and culture?
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>>34524586
DAMN GOY
WHICH BOOK IS THIS
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>>34524586
God damn, you want to talk about feels.
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>>34524634

What is Aztlan, basically current reality except the civil war means that secession is unacceptable.
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>>34524655
Fate of empires. Look it up. It's a short read but worth it.
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Reminder:

Leftists and Liberals are to blame for ALL of this.
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>>34524696
>Reminder:
>Jews are to blame for ALL of this.
FTFY
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>>34524608
>white South Africans should have left a long time ago.
and where would they go. White people are not aloud to claim a homeland. They can't go to non white countries because everyone wants them dead. Thye can't go to former colony established countries because "muh natives." They can't go to europe because europe has to let the third world in.
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>>34524460
>>34524586
WTF? So society goes through cycles? I thought the enlightenment said things would only get better?

In all seriousness, you people do have a point. It seems to me wealth and riches really do domesticate man and make him docile, thereby making him easy pickings for the undomesticated ones.
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>>34524696
You mean Jewish bankers and Marxism.
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>>34519746
stay mean, America.
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>>34524608

>tbh, white South Africans should have left a long time ago

I agree but it does seem unfair. Africa has some beautiful country.

>Niggers killing niggers is fine.

Won't solve the problem, they will still outnumber whites by a large multiplier and if Malema wins the whites are going to be even worse shape because then the EFF has made no pretense of democratic legitimacy. It would owe nothing to no one.
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>>34524602
Lel do you know how dumb that is though?
Take mainland communist china for example lol

If you go to their official gov website you can find an immigration section , it's pretty jokes that they even humor themselves by putting it there and last time I looked at it it didnt mention race at all.
But I mean it goes without saying.
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>>34524110
You are catering to people of above average intelligence. To enact a movement you need the majority. The majority are average. Average people like videos and pictures.

Well done videos and pictures can easily manipulate a society. Strong speeches do even better.

Us whites now have none of that. Even on pol we find differences between us to constantly argue about.

White Americans need someone to stand up and day what we are all thinking. But I think we are at the beginning of that timeline. My grandchildren will see the day we find a strong leader and a backing.
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>>34524718
>They can't go to europe because europe has to let the third world in.

Maybe that can be reversed. It Europe goes into a financial collapse with the US some of those immigrants are going to leave. Almost all are there for "a better life" anyway.
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>>34524762
>MUH FEELINGS
Kay.

Don't be part of it then.

Live with the niggers.

I don't care.
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>>34524796
0/10 shit posting
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>>34521372
>The whole * le stalin was planning to invade europe * was such garbage.
Nah m8, read Suvorov.
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>>34524815
Cry more anti-white.
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>>34524759
>if Malema wins the whites are going to be even worse shape


Ahh, I get it now.
You still think SA can be saved.

I don't. lt's already lost to the niggers.
Whites there are just hanging on, my guess
they either don't know where to go, or still stuck on 'muh land'.
Feels bad, but it will only get worse down there.
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>>34521372
explain Marcel Rosenberg and the Spanish Civil War
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>>34524887
It can be saved. All it requires is a complete genocide of every fucking nigger.
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>>34524773
>But I think we are at the beginning of that timeline.

You are right, the signs are appearing. Look to Eastern Europe, look at the New Right.

>My grandchildren will see the day we find a strong leader and a backing.

I look up to my grandfather a great deal. Our grandchildren are certain to live in a very different world from us.

The grandchildren forget but we know we did what was right. That is the fate of those who fight.
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>>34524795
>some of those immigrants are going to leave

ummmm.. no.
However bad Europe could get, it's still 100x better than the nigger shitholes they crawled out of.
There is also the smuggling money that needs to be repaid. That comes first. Or death.
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>>34524936
>muh chilluns
you fucks need to eliminate common core
inb4 private schools
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>>34524887
>Ahh, I get it now.
>You still think SA can be saved

...yeah, I don't think it can be saved. Multi-culturalism doesn't work anywhere and never will identity trumps all since it is the basis of attachment and trust.

What I'm trying to understand is how it will end...
My belief is that the place either gets thrown into a civil war and many whites leave resulting in economic collapse or the EFF wins an election.
If it looks like the EFF will win many whites will leave except the "muh landers" and those too poor to leave like the squatters. Those are the ones who will face the machetes.
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>>34524937
>However bad Europe could get, it's still 100x better than the nigger shitholes they crawled out of.

I suppose ethnonationalism will have to get pretty intense for anything to really be done.
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>>34524773
>Average people like videos and pictures.
That's the problem. Read my shopping list of reasons on why typical people don't have the energy to go hunt down data and think about what they're seeing. My whole point is that it needs to be made more accessible to them.

>Well done videos and pictures can easily manipulate a society. Strong speeches do even better.
The objective is to get more people turning away from poetic horseshit in favor of hard numbers. Critical thinking must replace emotionality and everyone will benefit. Throwing more emotional drama onto the public is totally counter to the objective and anyway, it's just a drop in the ocean of vague messages the world is already forcing on them from all directions.
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>>34525035
welp we didnt do anything in rwanda or anywhere else africans faced genocide and were mecheted so if it happens to whites its not like its some unique thing in africa and shouldnt get offended or give a fuck
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>>34525095
>africans faced genocide

who gives a fuck about niggers getting genocided ?
fuck off, you nigger loving cocksucker.
or should I say, nigger.
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>>34525095
Africans are literally a different fucking species.
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>>34524460
What's scary is that we humans did this to ourselves and literally in every sense of the word domesticated ourselves.

http://www.fitnessinanevolutionarydirection.com/2011/10/domestication-of-man-what-silver-fox.html

This explains why niggers, southeast asians and uncivilized tribes act the way they are while whites and asians act the way they do. While whites and asians are in all respects more prosperous than niggers, the whites and asians are now more dependent on each other to function while niggers don't. This explains why niggers are always in a state of war with aggression and can take over societies from within while whites and asians can take societies from without.
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>>34525082
>. My whole point is that it needs to be made more accessible to them.

I'm sorry Anon, you are expecting / hoping for a journey that many people will never make.
They just don't think like that anymore.
They need to be spoonfed.
Even from the times of AH and MU, they got control of the media, they controlled the message, they got popular.
That is the way forward.
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>>34522466

All of my this. I sincerely belive that white population is under a billion.
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>>34522311
the spics have their shit together better than the yankies
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>>34524654
>the boers went to africa scaping from uk protestantism

You're retarded and mixing up the colonization of North America with that of Africa.

The Boers weren't escaping UK Protestantism. Most were the descendants of Dutch East India Company employees who went there to establish a trading outpost and that's all. When released from the Company's employment, they found a living as farmers, hence the term "Boer"
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>>34525157
I'm not sure how you expect to be taken seriously when the stereotype you express hatred for is what you display yourself right now

It's just mind boggling how uncivilized your communication becomes and yet you try to take pride in race as being civilized.
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>>34525288
The African is a different species.

You should feel no more compassion for its existence than that of the mosquito.
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>>34525095

You have to be realistic, every politician in the West knows it will be different if a million whites die at the hands of the blacks who are ruling them. It matters because it affects the attitude toward multi-culturalism, liberals I'm sure are scared shitless at the possibility. You can't fight against "racism" and denounce whats as racist for not wanting other races in their countries if videos of women being raped and murdered are coursing through the internet. Their rhetorical case for "openness and tolerance", which is what they use to maintain the status quo, will take a huge hit.
It will vindicate what many people have been saying for many many years. You can't expect the tremendously self-sacrificing and tolerant attitude from other racial groups that whites have given to them. When you arm minorities with "history" and then let it be known that it can be used as a weapon they will continue to use it as a weapon even after they have taken power. SA is a perfect example of that.
The West is utterly unique in the idea that the majority can be dispossessed (through affirmative action for example) for something their great great grandparents may have done. It most cases it doesn't even matter, being white is sufficient. To everyone else that must seem like an utterly foolish attitude, and quite weak as well.
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>>34523476
>Now, go read on the aggressive expansion of the Zulu and how they were committing genocide during the time the Dutch were building a nation.
This. If you're a western white you've probably never heard about the Mfecane but it was worse than anything whites have ever done. If you still have white guilt after reading about this you're truly a hopeless faggot.
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>>34522561
one million timesthis
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Good post OP.
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>>34525212
Google "Making Europeans kinder, gentler"
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>>34525226
>forward
>natsoc lunatics on the fringe trying to garner sympathy from people who don't realize the real reason their life sucks this month is because energy prices went up, and not a long-term trend of evil foreigners pouring in to take everything
It's compelling evidence that open and accessible data is more important than ever. I wonder how many Germans actually knew in 1933 that treaty payments hadn't been made for years, that manufacturing was actually in recovery, and that the new Weimar currency was holding its value.
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Good read. This stuff is for real.
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What worries me is the parallels between this, and the demands made by the black community in Ferguson.
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>>34525350
We need to kill these niggers ASAP
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guys you have not really answered the most important question
what are you going to do about it
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>>34525480
Masturbate to Chinese girls cartoons.
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>>34525417
>>natsoc lunatics on the fringe trying to garner sympathy from people who don't realize the real reason their life sucks this month is because energy prices went up, and not a long-term trend of evil foreigners pouring in to take everything

Both are true you fucking piece of shit but MOST PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING HAVE THE CAPACITY TO UNDERSTAND ANY OF IT. YOU CAN GIVE THEM ALL THE FUCKING DATA YOU WANT AND THEY'LL JUST FLOUNDER IN IT MEANINGLESSLY IT'S WHY THE FUCKING PRESS CAME INTO EXISTENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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>>34524457
What will happen is that the "international community" will start to throw money and weapons at the ANC to try and keep the EFF at bay. There will be a terrible civil war, and whites will watch helplessly from the sidelines as the country that was once theirs is torn apart.

Sort of like how whites fled from Zimbabwe during the ZANU-ZAPU war, and the Americo-Liberians fled Liberia after the 1980 coup.

Some whites have money, but white South Africa is already collectively broken as a group with its own interests. South Africa is a plaything being fought over by the black masses, by the black diamonds and the ANC, and by the foreign investors that dominate its markets. You will note that "Corporate South Africa" has basically ceased to exist - South Africa's greatest mining and corporate giants are now dual-listed in JHB and abroad, if not single-listed in London.

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>>34525417
>I wonder how many Germans actually knew in 1933 that treaty payments hadn't been made for years
The last payment was made in 1933; Hitler cancelled that shit.

Damn you are a kike shill.
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>>34525480
This
>>34521062
>Tod den Juden
>Tod den Schwarzen
>Tod allen Feinde des Volk
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>>34525472
how civilized of you

if a redneck dumbass were to come on /pol/, how would they sound like


I mean there is a clear difference between the actual nationalists, and then these * kill nigger * types that seem to drag down nationalism into the gutter. Damn what shitheads
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>>34525480
Browse 4chan.
Drink.
Masturbate.
Become apathetic and miserable.
Get fat.
Get bald.
Get fired from our shitty jobs.
Spend our declining years in a shitty tiny apartment in some ghetto filled with people who hate us.
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>>34525617
4chan draws all kinds.
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>>34522402

>Fighting is a last resort.

Our democracy is liberal in reality, meaning it will always favour the 'have-nots' at the expense of the 'haves'. So what other choice is there?
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tldr version: Butthurt anglo wonders why things went to shit when they made sure to leave as big of a mess as possible when the natives took their nations back.
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>>34525480

See:

>>34522134
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>>34524759
The best the whites can do is keep Cape Town itself. The city has a large white population, as well as an even larger Coloured population hostile to both the ANC and to black migrants from the rest of South Africa who support the party. Cape Town can be a White/Coloured Singapore to a Black Malaysia.
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>>34519321
I agree my piggy friendo
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>>34525617
>how civilized of you
I am civilized in the proper time and place.

I am also extravagantly militaristic, a eugenicist, a Nationalist, and a visionary.

I dream of a future in which the African is extinct.
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>>34525755
the autism is strong in you

in a few years you will grow up
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>>34525687
>National Party
>Anglo

Yeah you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and should leave the thread.
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>>34525547
As I said, the role of the press in this case ought to be informed commentary on data that people already know about. Instead of viewing the media with the old mentality of a unidirectional flow of speech and information, the nature of the Internet could allow experts to engage in a two-way dialog with people. It's already done on a lot of science journal websites. Imagine the principle extended to the mainstream news and economic data.

>Today at 7: Enjoy a live Q&A with the chief statistician of the Census Bureau on the latest trade numbers!

If only. It's nice to dream though.
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>>34525755
>and a visionary.
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>>34525633

I'm not bald, so go fuck yourself.
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>>34525725
>The best the whites can do is keep Cape Town itself.

They maybe able to do that for a while but Malema will not be able to run the government effectively. It will be even worse than the ANC and once he's in power most of the economic base will disappear.
In order to maintain legitimacy Malema will need a scapegoat.
A town full of shits with a decent quality of life will be just the kind of thing Malema could use to whip up resentment and distract from his failures.
I don't think Cape Town would last very long.
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>>34525792
That is only possible in a National Socialist setting free of outside influence.
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>>34525791

>demand embargos
>get moderates assassinated/imprisoned
>wonder why extremists get to power
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>>34525617
define civilized

>yfw when the term comes from being a wealthy white man
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>>34525792

Create a NewsCorp like Vice, then.
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>>34525880
Of course, of course, we can't allow the citizens to hear a dissenting opinion or their thinking might go astray of the state.
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>>34525480
I'm getting into politics. Law then campaigns.
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>>34525900
>implying he wont fap and forget he ever typed that
the electric jew has got you by the balls
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>>34525676
>Our democracy is liberal in reality

And your local government?

Are you simply trying to demoralize? Because that's what I think you're doing, JIDF.
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>>34525885
For him "civilized" means "let the jews run everything and don't fight them"
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>>34519321
>I'm a yellow skinned Asian and this gave me a chill in my spine. Very good read. Fuck shitskins and niggers.

You're part of the problem.
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>>34525900
I'm trying to do something similar actually if you read my first post. Read my list again on why it's hard. It's not going to come to a halt though, I hope to launch it before Christmas.
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>>34525934
No he isn't.

No Eurasian alive naturally cleaves to the African; they do so only upon exposure to mind-warping Jewish lies.
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>>34525934
good goy detected
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>>34525883
Doesn't change the fact that you called the NP "Anglos" which is fucking retarded.

And the NP didn't arrest and lock up those who were moderate and willing to seek compromise and common ground with the Government. That's why men like Allan Hendrickse and Buthelezi never went to prison.
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>>34525929
This is why Jews invented and proliferate pornography while flooding the medical/science community with the belief that masturbation is good for you. There is nothing that weakens a man more in both strength and spirit than chronic masturbation.
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>implying both the right and left don't import 3rd worlders

Right wing do it for money and Left Wing do it out of guilt
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>>34525931
Exactly. These shitskins scream about being civilized when they're the ones raping, looting, and killing our kind daily without societal outrage.
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>>34526016
Only Fascism can save us from being drowned in Third World flotsam

Say no to Bolshevism and bourgeois democracy
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>>34525934
No. Anyone who is a nationalist and knows the scourge of the Jew and his counterpart, the negro, is a part of the solution.
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>>34525857
>I'm not bald

Yet
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>>34526016
>right wing
>money
liberal detected
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>>34520797
>nationalism is defensive, to imply having nationalism on land offensively taken is quite ridiculous.

If Native Americans had Nationalism instead of "dis land is everyone's land" and "fuck my neighbor drinks like fish, you give me those guns and I'll kill them all" they'd still be around and have this country for themselves.
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>>34525866
Cape Coloureds are very unhappy about their homeland being enriched. They are also unhappy about the ANC trying to destroy and undermine their language - angrier than Afrikaners even.

A White South Africa or even a White Cape may no longer be possible. But a relatively less-enriched one under civilized leadership - that may still be.
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>implying multiculturalism isn't going to collapse entirely and result in prison rules
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>>34526016
The right doesn't want immigrants where the fuck have you been. The only thing that does is leftists and multinational corporations and banks. Why? Because they are not loyal to the US and its people.
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>>34526146
They were at a lower societal level where they fought tribe vs tribe. They did have nationalism, for their tribe's benefits only.
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>>34518305
Didn't read, but I assume it's saying that South Africa's problem is that it is a majority Black nation, in Africa.

There was also that apartheid thing; which probably angered the Blacks there.

That doesn't seem like it'd benefit Whites in the long run.

Africa is a flyover continent. That's where they fucked up.
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>>34526168
The Right doesn't want ILLEGAL immigrants. If 10 million people were to come in tomorrow legally they would be fine.
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>>34526199
That's literally tribalism and it's not the same thing; it's only related.
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>>34526212
That's still debatable. There's no solidarity on legal immigrants.
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>>34526212
>implying there is any way to figure out which of those 10 million will go on to become welfare leeched
lel
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>>34520797
Whites are already in South Africa though. Whites in South Africa wanting a homeland for their own people and to rule themselves on the land they presently inhabit is the definition of nationalism. There's nothing imperialistic about that, unless they want to rule over others.

To be honest, even under apartheid, the whites didn't really want to rule others. Admittedly, they did interfere in the black homelands they created, but that was mainly because they wanted to avoid them being infiltrated by the ANC/UDF that wanted to destroy White South Africa completely, and so can be regarded as defensive rather than offensive.

Remember too that in the 1960s as part of grand apartheid the South African government surrendered 40% of South Africa's arable land to the black homelands. Essentially the National Party government tried to partially reverse British imperialism and the black migration that it brought in its wake. Certainly it was hamfisted and in some cases very badly implemented, but I'm not sure that anyone else would have done better.
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>>34526206
>Didn't read

Didn't your post either.
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>>34526234
Which is what I'm saying. They never believed "this land is for everyone" they fought and killed each other for pieces of land, even forming alliances with whites in order to kill off other tribes.

You still cling to public school lies and bias but you'll get there one day.
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>>34526206
It's saying america is the best south Africa, which you wouldve figured out if you weren't an illiterate nigger
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>>34518305
I hear Nambia is relatively peaceful.

In Australia though we have a large number of South Africans
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>>34526206
>There was also that apartheid thing

Of course it did, because white people are morally obliged to give their money land and women to black people for free, that's Ubuntu amirite
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>>34524175
Everyone's a dead man, anon, it's just a matter of time and perspective.
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>>34526206
>apartheid was literally whites and blacks sticking to their own kind and their own business
>this is somehow believed to be bad

Truly, cultural marxism at work.
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>>34526168
The Old Right is politically impotent. That's why the Republican Party is basically a plaything for bankers, rich Jews like Sheldon Adelson, and massive corporations all of which couldn't care less about fat white conservatards and their Murikka and Aryun Raac
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>>34525959
>>34525968
>>34526076

Jews are the worst but chinks are a close second. They're just as greedy and just as souless. You might think they're great now because of your love for chinese cartoons but just you wait until they start infesting your schools, malls and neighborhoods. If I wanted to be surrounded by chinks I'd move to Asia, instead those fucking chinks are infesting the US, Canada and Europe. Ask the people of Hongcouver how they feel being culturally enriched by a group of people who reproduce faster than roaches and are just as dirty.
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>>34526324
I wonder, why is it Namibia and Botswana are peaceful but SA and Zimbabwe instantly descended into chaos?
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>>34523832
>>34523922

Given that you are aware of the pervasiveness of leftist anti-freedom propaganda, do you not even entertain the possibility that what the media tells you about Russia is not totally factual?
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>>34524425
>Eastern Europe
Note how they didn't develop WESTERN WHITE ideals.
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>>34526199

Instead of banding together and fighting for their country, they aligned with the white's and look how that turned out for them. Same thing is going to happen with whites if everyone aligns themselves with the Jew.
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>>34526394

Not to mention Asians are the majority worldwide and must not be allowed to be let into our lands.

They're fine in their own countries though.
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>>34526411
Really low populations.

Namibia has fuck all people.
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>>34526411
Communism
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>>34526381
The grass is always greener on the other side, anon.

To the niggers, apartheid was the Whites being mean and keeping all of the good stuff to themselves.

That wouldn't have been a problem if there weren't so many of them.
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>>34526394
I don't want any of them here either (or at least low amounts is fine). But if they fight the main problem I'm fine with it.
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>>34518643
>Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall.
A million times this. Someone who only ever defends is bound to lose.
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>>34526437
This. We need to stop assuming things based on what the fabricated media says just because it makes it easier to "think".
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>>34526295
>You still cling to public school lies and bias but you'll get there one day.

Shut the fuck up you patronizing faggot cocksucker do you even know who I am?
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>>34526411
Namibia isn't that peaceful, it's just practically unpopulated

Botswana is a single-tribe nation, basically an internationally-accepted Bantustan

SA and Zimbabwe are extremely diverse, with a muddle of 890548038590438 different tribes along with some whiteys, Asians and half-breeds there too just to mix it up some more
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>>34526540
top lel
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>>34526497
>or at least low amounts is fine

None, please.

See:
>>34526474
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>>34526491
It sounds crass and racist, but the truth is that virtually all black/African activism can be summed up as "GIMMEDAT" I mean think about it, in every country where they live, blacks demand welfare, public sector jobs, uni places and shares in private corporations just for being black. In countries with few blacks, they demand African immigration, so that their brothers can enjoy all this too.
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>>34521372
>The whole * le stalin was planning to invade europe * was such garbage.
Yeah, except for all those times the USSR actually invaded other European countries and then went on to take over like half of Europe far after the war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-ribentrop_pact
Latvia
Estonia
Lithuania
Karelo-Finnish Republic
Moldova
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Mari Harris
05 February 2014

DA the most multi-racial of the parties, ANC support base 96% black African, EFF's 99%

Profiles of the supporters of the three biggest political parties in South Africa

Ipsos survey: Profiles of the supporters of the three biggest political parties in South Africa

The question is often asked who the supporters of a specific political party are or, put slightly differently, how representative a particular political party is of the voters in the country.

An analysis of ELIGIBLE VOTERS in South Africa yields interesting results. The question: "If there were national elections tomorrow, which political party or organisation would you vote for?" is used as the basis of this analysis. Overleaf the profiles of the supporters of the ANC, DA and EFF are compared with the profile of South Africans eligible to vote.1 These three parties were chosen based on the support for them expressed in a November 2013 Ipsos poll.

Ipsos South Africa undertakes a Pulse of the PeopleTM study every six months. A randomly selected sample of South Africans of voting age are asked which party they would support on the national and provincial level if there were an election the next day. Respondents then fill in their own choices on a "ballot paper" - making this a secret vote.

These profiles of the different political parties are meant to give insight into the composition of the group of supporters of each of the parties separately. ‘

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=534039&sn=Detail&pid=71616
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I wonder what will happen once whitey is extinct. Except in Japan, the world will lose almost all civilization and most technology.

Will they be remembered as great builders of powerful artifacts, beautiful yellow haired people in a world of dusky complexions, people without equal, or as an evil race whose extermination was the best thing that could ever happen to the world (even as the world slides into a dark age).
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>>34526572
Thanks
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>>34526737
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Good shit. Agreed on every point.
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>>34526394
It's not something at issue, and I do worry about it; but there's no notable hostility between Eurasians throughout history.
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>>34526768
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>>34526742
>planetoftheapesstatueoflibertyinthebeachscene.png
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>>34526781
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>>34526742
an object lesson in school books to teach future chinese children the dangers of multiculti
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>>34526802
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>>34526777
>It's not something at issue, and I do worry about it; but there's no notable hostility between Eurasians throughout history.

U wot m8?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe
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>>34526742
There won't be any historical record of old whitey because the new majority will be too busy living hand to mouth from one day to the next to have any real notion of history. They have no need for books and schools. White man will be forgotten after 2-3 generations of new majority rule.
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>>34526802
>white 50

das racis mang
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>>34526572
South Africa is also urban, which makes for moar chimpennings.
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>>34522954
Before the Jewish way of life was main stream stream politics, centuries ago they 1st took control of media and money. Both are vital if you want to have a serious impact in politics.
Since the white masses have no control of money or mass media our political movements are crippled from the start.
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>>34526835
surely the jews will save SOME books for themselves
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>>34526474
A little late for that, don't ya think?
All I see in my city anymore are Chinese, Indian, Paki, Mexican... And this is Pittsburgh, PA. Indians piss me off the most. They have shitty attitudes and act like they own everything, like our other old friends. They come here and bring their Caste system bullshit with them. I think that is a real danger that is not often talked about: the rise of Indians in politics and business and the future transposition of the horrible Indian caste system here in our society.
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>>34524654
>Also the angloamerican white man imoosed heavy economical sanctions to SA and helped to spread the apartheid bullshit

Since Afrikaners were Westerners too it was thought (correctly) that it would be easi(er) to eventually get through to them.

It's hard to say tell the Russians or the Chinese or the Saudis or whoever that you shouldn't do X or Y because "that's mean," they'll just tell you to fuck off.

But South Africa's NP leaders considered themselves to be moral, upstanding Christian men so they actually felt kinda guilty when people died mysteriously in police custody or were hit by the proverbial stray bullet.
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>>34526394
This. Fuck Chinese. They are soulless robots who make absolutely no effort to integrate. They laugh at the idea of accepting Western ideals maintaining any sort of ethical standard of living.
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>>34527137
If their kids go to majority white schools, they'll integrate. Second generation ABAs are fine.
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>>34526303
I know, seriously. Who the fuck admits to not reading a post but offers an opinion and analysis of it? What a lazy asshole.
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>>34527070
Liberals are actually white supremacists too, so when a nigger dictator eats people, crashes his economy into the dirt or when his soldiers start raping or slaughtering the shit out of people, they kinda shrug. I mean what else do you expect from them?

But the South African government was led by white people and you have to hold them to higher standards, even if they have been in Africa too long and are starting to go just a little native judging by their relatively callous attitude to state violence.
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Hear, hear. This is why Yankee immigration to the South terrifies me, because they are the perpetuators of policies that would enact the demographic fall of all Southern states.
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>>34527031
Indians are disgusting people with a disgusting culture and nothing of value to bring over except defrauded education claims.
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the basketball americans of today are the ghouls of tomorrow.
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