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What Did You Learn From George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four?

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What Did You Learn From George Orwell's
Nineteen Eighty-Four?


>Plebs not welcome
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>>34285200
>>Plebs not welcome

1984 is the plebiest book to have ever existed

Orwell is beyond toleration and is one of the most tedious authors I have ever read.
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people in power manipulate the public at large through means that are crude, obvious, and depressingly effective
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>>34285200
That I should manipulate the 90% of humans who have sheepherd behavioral characteristics for my own gain.
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>>34285200
omg! like, the government is totally bad! Hey, OP, let's hang out after middle school at the soda shop!
Because you'd have to be in middle school to still honestly read and adhere to the philosophies of this book.
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>>34285200
More important is the question: what did every Anglosphere country learn from 1984?

Answer: THIS IS THE GREATEST FUCKING INSTRUCTION MANUAL ON HOW TO GOVERN A COUNTRY EVER!!!
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Torture and re-education work.
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>>34285200

I learned that, contrary to the popular myth in the US, that fascism (and all other forms of authoritarianism like communism and socialism) in fact arises from the far left of politics.
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>>34285367
The point is it wasnt supposed to be an instruction manual, it was supposed to be a warning of what a soviet empire would look like on a massive scale.
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>>34285200
that oceania is always at war with east-asia.
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>>34285357

The books "philosophies" are still relevant today as they where in his time.

Its useful because we who have learned from Orwell's book can identify political trends that lead to totalitarianism and nip them in the bud.
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>>34285200
I learned that we as people even if we die or get tortured to death cannot allow this society to happen, we cannot allow our sons daughters, cousins, uncles to go through this kind of hell.
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>>34285752
>we who have learned from Orwell's book can identify political trends that lead to totalitarianism and nip them in the bud.
Yeah, because that's happened at all in the decades since the book came out and was mandatory 6th grade reading.
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>>34285735
>oceania is always at war with east-asia

Oceania is always at war with Eurasia. Into Room 101 for you.
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Don't trust yo kids.
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>>34285200
George Orwell was a socialist and not the nationalistic kind.

His opinions should be taken with a grain of salt.
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>>34285809
>Nothing in this book has happened and been called out as bullshit

thoughtcrimes, and surveillance state were words founded by the book, it is a blueprint for nearly every dystopian society you can think of.
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>>34285915
indeed, he sympathized with socialism alot but thought it was being steered in the wrong direction (animal farm) much like modern communists, i wonder if he ever realized toward the end of his life that what he wanted would never work.
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>>34285957
And everyone crying out about that stuff has definitely kept that stuff from happening, hasn't it.
Yeah, I don't get recorded literally every where I go. There's no database recording every single internet search and post we all make, all thanks to 6th graders whining about this shit after reading the book!
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>>34285200
That he predicted the internet (more or less).

Polar opposite of brave new word based on the authors time of writing. But both are simultaneously relevant in current times.
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>>34285809
>Yeah, because that's happened at all in the decades since the book came out and was mandatory 6th grade reading.
>>34285357
summer please end, all this shitpost
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>>34285809
Eristic Pleb

>>34285957
this.
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>>34285809
>Nothing in this book has happened

Implying Big Brother isn't the criminal NSA and the insidious collusion between Google and the US intelligence agencies.
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>>34286071
true armed rebbelion is the only way we can stop it now but i doubt that will happen.
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>government at war successfully protects people
>have a leader for the public to rally behind during these tough times
>finds out people want to undermine it and put everyone at risk
>find those people and arrest them
>instead of killing them, try to convince them they are wrong

protagonist was just some whiny faggot who couldn't adapt to the realities of life during wartime
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>>34285281
go to bed, commie
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>>34286067
>if he ever realized toward the end of his life that what he wanted would never work.
what exactly did he want
give it to me plain
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1984, Animal Farm, and Brave New World describe the SJW movement with astonishing accuracy.
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That nature and the countryside are underrated and i really long to get out of the city.
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>>34286205
>>34285281
so much fucking shitpost

OP if you are still here identify yourself
holy fuck thread is considered slide if i dont see any intelligent posts in here
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>>34286079

Aldous Huxley vision was much softer yet more relevant to the word we live in

sometimes I wish I could take Soma holidays
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>>34286071
But in george or wells home country of britain, you are recorded everywhere. Your post is quite erronious Anon.
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>>34285200
I learned that it is more future history, than fiction, if that makes any sense.
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>>34286376
>sometimes I wish I could take Soma holidays
bluepill
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>>34286175
>>34286160
>>34286186
>being illiterate
I never said it didn't happen, I said that no one stopped any of it in the decades since the book's been around and even literal niggers have read it. In fact, the only book more infantile and widely read is Animal Farm, and by the way, Animal Farm and its readership did nothing to stop oppression, either.
If you can show me one instance, just one single instance where having read 1984 was actually useful to stopping the growth of big brother, I'll shut up. If anything, big brother's gotten only bigger and keeps getting bigger, despite everyone knowing about it.
Aldous Huxley's Brave New World is more apt for describing current political affairs. We're all aware of this shit, no one cares, and the few people who care don't matter. The few times the people who cared actually changed anything, it was in name only, the new boss was the same as the old boss.
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>>34286339

Reporting for duty
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British liquor is still shit in the future. Fuck gin.
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>>34286409
But that's literally what I just said, you fucking retard. You actually just argued against me, but used my point as your own. That's pure retardation, anon.
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>>34286439
LOL

I see what you did there and I like it
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>>34286376
Very subtle. Like a beige totalitarianism.

Orgy porgy
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>>34286464
Shilling so hard....keep it up!
> still no intelligent convo in this thread, its shills everywhere......back to /lit/
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>>34286464
both brave new world and 1984 are evident in modern government
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>>34286293
Isn't Brave New World about a utopia gone horribly wrong? Or right? Or tries way too hard?
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>>34286553
>>34286474
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>>34286685
Dystopian future is the term you are looking for.
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>>34286673
>>34286655
How many times do I have to say, I'm not saying it's not happening, I'm saying that reading these fucking books doesn't stop it from happening.
It's very fucking simple
>read book
>is it happening?
>yes
>did reading the book stop it from happening?
>no
That's what I'm saying, you fucking illiterates.
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>>34286617

Its interesting how attitudes towards sex in Brave new world compare to now its almost the same
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>>34285200

The dangers of liberalism.

Old George was wrong they are a lot worse than he imagined.
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>>34285200
I JUST read this so excuse my very serious answer.

It seems like Winston's biggest issue was his eagerness to substitute one dictator for another.

He mindlessly agrees to do anything the brotherhood suggests, without any thought toward what he personally thinks is right or wrong.
He describes sex not as an act to be done for its own sake, but as an act preformed against Big Brother, for the sole reason that B.B. discourages sex.

To me, the book seems to suggest that any definition of morals outside your own is a form of giving up control.
It also suggests that rebellion isn't a legitimate form of disagreement, since by "rebelling" you agree that what you're doing goes against norms.
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>>34286701

Domestic Terrorism?

Do go on
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>>34285200

Televisors are for Fitness
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>>34286701
>Right-wingers are potential terrorists
>The major mass shooters are from progressive liberal backgrounds
>Majority of homicides happen in Democratic controlled counties
>As we speak left-wing blacks destroy, vandalize, loot and terrorize a US city

Nigga pls
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>>34286790
Your posts on 4chan do absolutely nothing to educate anyone or change the world in any way, so why do you still do it?
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>>34285200
An dirty pinko and his instruction manual.

/thread
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>>34286685
It's about servitude and acceptance of a man made utopia which is questionable.

1984 is total governmental control and everybody being suspicious of everyone.

Anyone read brave new world revisited?
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>>34286918
Yes, anyone enlightened would've just left to live with the proles
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>>34286998
I don't pretend I'm so much more enlightened than everyone else, who have all read the same book, when I post on 4chan.
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>>34286910
>The dangers of liberalism
U wot m8
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I read 1984 at 16 it was required reading for my english class, Not until the age of 19 did i realize what i had read at the time was epic as fuck. Just a breakdown of population control and total surveillance.
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>>34285200
Well... he was right. It was supposed to be a fiction novel, not a fucking instruction manual
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>>34286843
Last I checked, kids still get busted for playing doctor, so no.
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>>34285200

I learned that people who depend on big government e.g. niggers and liberals, will defend the abusive actions of their oppressive regime, as Winston defended the torture he received from O'Brien.
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>>34286229
>>34286229
A socialist utopia full of unicorns, welfare, hippies and no stalins
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>>34287119
Oh the irony!
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>>34285200
That I'd rather rewatch Star Wars. But if mean the book, then I'd rather reread the brothers karamazov
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>>34286790
The book was basically an S.O.S. A warning a message in a bottle whatever term you wanna use.

IMO
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>>34287119
Wow you're so fucking clever!!!!!!!!!
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>>34287025
That's the state of the world today though. Don't have the right haircut? Ostracized. Not wearing the latest fashion? Ostracized. Said something unfunny and awkward? I'm telling my other friends, and you're ostrasized.
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>man writes a shitty science fiction story about a guy having a mid life crisis and fucking some girl
>people orgasm over it because Communism/Fascism bad, Democracy good
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>>34287104
classical liberalism is miles apart from current liberalism
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>>34287119
hahahaha holy fucking shit
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>>34286843
I dunno.
The eugenics thing in BNW is very hitlerian but people have been practicing eugenics since the dawn of man. Finding a suitable partner to bear her child.

Just that in this book it's more production lined and traditional methods are just for pleasure.

We have the technology to put this in place atm
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that at the end of the day, nothing changes

Everyone cites 1984, but if you read it you'd see that he loses, and big brother wins.
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>>34287245

And here's this faggot.

In every single thread where the word "liberal" is posted.
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>>34285200
That people overthink like fuck and actively try to invent antagonists in their lives to try and make themselves feel like they're worth antagonising.
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>>34287245
>Implying current liberalism is liberalism at all
What you're talking about is the dangers of leftism.
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>>34286673
No, actually Brave New World is about Soma and the ramifications of the apes basic desire to self medicate into oblivion.

1984 was the year papist and Holy Wood cowboy Ronald Reagan signed the concordat with the Pope of Rome ushering in the NWO, relocating from the old world apparently. Its predictive programming at its finest, you will probably find no better example. H.G. Wells also authored 'New World Order' in 1940 which describes a world under global Catholic socialism (Fascism).
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>>34287242
And the state has control over you through public schools. Child not performing well? Sending the Child Protection Services, we're taking the child away.
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>>34287303

>implying what i said isnt true
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>>34285200
Who controls the language controls the thoughts. Politics is largely a game of perception and the purpose of war is war itself, to keep the population poor and in need.

Btw OP, I have that shirt, 10/10 post.
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>>34286918

>discourages sex

There is a theme in the book were the Party to gain further control of the populace provides opportunity for rebellion. For example Goldstein's book, Venturing to the Proletariat areas and visiting prostitutes, pornography its a sort of sanctioned and not meaningful rebellion
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>>34287119
He was let in on some of the things that were in the works. He didnt care for it so much so he exposed it as fiction knowing someday if what he had been told was true people would be like oh damn this book is like what is happening. Incredible this is required reading for highschool students in my state.
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>>34287032
Exactly.
>If hope exists, it exists with the proles
B.B. wouldn't have brought the hammer down if his ideas weren't threatening in some capacity, Winston just chose to explore the wrong sectors of thought.
Namely sex. It's a very tempting drive.
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>>34287244
>greentext generalization of thread topic
>smug anime face

Have a pity reply, and nice dubs
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>>34287353

Take it up with the socialists in the democratic party who have co-opted the word for decades. If they want to call themselves shit eaters, I'll call them shit eaters, don't cry to me about it.
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>>34287244
You probably know nothing about eric blair fucking dumb kid. Do you know anything about the mans life? Social connections..Anything? No you dont you fucking twat fuck now get the fuck off 4chan. Leave now assfuck.
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>>34287242
That's the choice we have:

Alienated individual
Or
Sheepple
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>>34287244
Freedom is for overfed children.
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>>34285200
>What Did You Learn
Trust nobody, especially no charismatic motherfucker.
To kill an enemy is not enough, you have to break them first and everything they stand for.
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>>34287206
What must the unexplained governing empires of Star Wars be like?
How must the plight of the common, non-force-attuned man seem in that strange-flung future?

Not that fucking strange at all.
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>>34287242
This shit started heavy what mid to late 80s? Before that?
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>>34287148

Minus that part
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"If you obey all the little rules, you can break the big ones."

This doesn't apply if you are a nigger though. You're still going to jail.
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>>34287541
There's no hope, for us at least.

In the end out comes a man completely different to us.
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>>34285200
Nothing, I learned from observing actual oppressive regimes throughout the modern world and history. 1984 is great for commies on /lit/, but I prefer reality.
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>>34286464
>If you can show me one instance, just one single instance where having read 1984 was actually useful to stopping the growth of big brother, I'll shut up.
I cannot give an example of the police state NOT expanding. You're asking us to prove a negative.
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The word ''solipsism''.
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>>34287632
Never read the book but descriptions I read elsewhere allude to kids participating in orgies. Making the previous statement blatantly untrue.
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the book is garbage
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>>34287576
Life lessons ladies and gentlemen.
Things your ancestors knew from adolescence, which the government has hidden from you.

Cold War Never Ended.
Cold War Now.
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>>34286071
Clearly not enough 6th graders got to read the book if it lead to that situation, you fucking imbecile.

Bet those who did could point out every trend tho.
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>>34287623
It's even more apparent now. And we're not even protesting against it anymore.
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>>34287500
He went to go to spain to search for inspiration because he couldn't write for shit. Got tangled up with some anarchists and fell in line with them. Despite not understanding little about their position. Then he went back to Bongland, wrote a shitty metaphor of the Soviet Union with farm animals in 1943, though it didn't get immediately because war time. Then he wrote this piece of shit when he was dying. But not before giving the British government names of fellow commies.

He a shit and you a shit for liking his shit.
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>>34285835
That's equilibrium
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>>34287702
>I learned from observing actual oppressive regimes throughout the modern world and history.
By "observing", I assume you mean "looked at through media filters".
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>>34287763

Orgies? No it mentions that young children fooling around is harmless and a bit of fun
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To me it was all about language control and how the elite of a nation can engineer society so that being able to go against the party line is impossible. A lot of people read this book when they were young and lefty but is really worth re-reading once you become more /pol/ in your beliefs.

For me the books about political correctness, almost everything else is just a frame to get the point across
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>>34287176
He didn't want welfare you fucking idiot. He wanted anarchism to break authoritarianism and syndicalism to break crony capitalism.
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>>34285200
>plebs
>not plebes

Bitches aint shit but lips and clit
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>>34287892

Ma nigga
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>>34286931
>>34286985
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>people judging a dystopian novel based on whether or not it came true

What a silly way to judge. It's about what we learn from it, not how accurately it predicts the future. Even then, a lot of what we read in 1984 feels eerily possible today.
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>>34287895
Considering the articles I stumbled upon, I wish that was even mostly true these days.
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>>34286998
>Your posts on 4chan do absolutely nothing to educate anyone or change the world in any way, so why do you still do it?
Wrong.
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>Winston picked his way up the lane through dappled light and shade, stepping out into pools of gold wherever the boughs parted. Under the trees to the left of him the ground was misty with bluebells. The air seemed to kiss one’s skin. It was the second of May. From somewhere deeper in the heart of the wood came the droning of ring-doves.
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>>34288008
>Book takes Moscow in the 1930's and transplants it to London in the 60's through 80's
>Capable of happening

How's high school?
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>>34287790
shillpost 0/10
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>>34285200

What I learnt was that social class is endemic in totalitarian societies that rather than the state being the great equalizer it maintains and encourages class warfare. Its practically the same in Brave new world
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>>34288148
Did you even read his fucking post?
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>>34287841
fuck off faggot
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>>34285200

to me what makes the book significant is the enlightening inner monologue of winston. i think orwell is a much better writer of prose than people give him credit for. i love reading winston's thoughts when he's talking to syme, or when hes working in the office

Also, does anyone else think that goldstein's book was fascinating? People always say it's the dullest part of the book, but I thought it was amazingly written.
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>>34285200
>Plebs not welcome
>plebs
>not proles
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>>34288224
>doesn't like the book government schools have every high school child read during their cold war unit
>must be a shill
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>>34287947
>He wanted anarchism to break authoritarianism and syndicalism to break crony capitalism.

why is this always doomed to failure?
why is the oligarchy so powerful?
it's pretty much hopeless, isn't it?
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>>34287464
>dat doublethink
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Since this is a book topic, I initially gave the Giver a complete pass over any kind of real merit back when I first read the book in school.

...But now I'm starting to think it's about as applicable as 1984 and Brave New World are in today's day and age.
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>>34288308

Same here Goldstein's book is red pill bait the party uses to draw out dissenters
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>The new aristocracy was made up for the most part of bureaucrats, scientists, technicians, trade-union organizers, publicity experts, sociologists, teachers, journalists, and professional politicians. These people, whose origins lay in the salaried middle class and the upper grades of the working class, had been shaped and brought together by the barren world of monopoly industry and centralized government. As compared with their opposite numbers in past ages, they were less avaricious, less tempted by luxury, hungrier for pure power, and, above all, more conscious of what they were doing and more intent on crushing opposition. This last difference was cardinal. By comparison with that existing today, all the tyrannies of the past were half-hearted and inefficient. The ruling groups were always infected to some extent by liberal ideas, and were content to leave loose ends everywhere, to regard only the overt act and to be uninterested in what their subjects were thinking. Even the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages was tolerant by modern standards. Part of the reason for this was that in the past no government had the power to keep its citizens under constant surveillance. The invention of print, however, made it easier to manipulate public opinion, and the film and the radio carried the process further. With the development of television, and the technical advance which made it possible to receive and transmit simultaneously on the same instrument, private life came to an end. Every citizen, or at least every citizen important enough to be worth watching, could be kept for twenty-four hours a day under the eyes of the police and in the sound of official propaganda, with all other channels of communication closed. The possibility of enforcing not only complete obedience to the will of the State, but complete uniformity of opinion on all subjects, now existed for the first time.
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Brave New World may have turned out more correct but I don't like it as much. IMO it's way more boring of a read. And I somehow didn't find it as contemplative
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Was obrien once a rebel who was broken or was he always a party man?
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>>34288241
Yeah that it feels errily possible. Please tell me how a dumbed down copy pasta of the Russia Revolution feels possible today.
>>34288284
Your tears are delicious.
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>>34288539
I thought it was poorly written as well. It seemed, i dunno... cartoonish.
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>>34285200
That security at the cost of liberty isn't worth it. That government shouldn't be trusted. Especially governments who want to run your life or have a nanny state.
Don't trust women or men.
Know that people bend the English language to suit themselves. eg torture = enhanced interrogation.
Society group-think is poisonous.
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>>34285281
I'm afraid I disagree with you on the matter of Orwell's writing. His virtue was that he could write about anything in perfect prose, while also putting forward a reliable moral and political message, creating simple yet significant stories and building intriguing settings.

Have you read any of his work other than 1984, or were you just too angry at the author of every book they made you read in the Home for Troubled Boys?

Immolate yourself on a pyre of your Eragon book collection.
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>>34288308
>Also, does anyone else think that goldstein's book was fascinating? People always say it's the dullest part of the book, but I thought it was amazingly written.

THat was heavy shit. It completely exposed why we are war. We're not doing for any real conquest or purpose but for war itself. Destruction and economic waste.
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>>34288552

The way he brakes Winston one would think that he too could have been a rebel, but he probably ardently supports the party and had been trained to deal with rebels
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>>34285957
OY VEY GOY , NO NEED TO WORRY YOURSELF ABOUT SUCH THINGS, NONE OF IT IS HAPPENING, AND WE ARE NOT BEHIND ANY OF IT

http://www.anti-semitism.net/anti-semitism/anti-semitic-crusades-of-the-year-2014.php

>Why should 21st century hate be characterized as illegal thought crimes? Because thoughts become actions. The hate begins in the mind with thoughts, then comes to life with the action of the hate crimes, not vice versa. The book 1984 instilled this irrational fear of outlawing modern free speech when it comes to insensitive words at one end of the spectrum and thought crimes on the other end of the spectrum. Have you noticed that when someone thinks and then plans carefully about killing, rather than murdering at the spur of the moment, or even by accident, its called premeditated and has enhanced penalties? Have you noticed when someone commits a crime of violence with racism in mind, its called a hate crime? Thoughts proceed actions, not the reverse. Thoughts do matter, and certain thoughts should be made illegal,
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>>34285200

He understands government better than Rand
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>>34288619
>watches anime
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>>34285492

But Orwell was Left?
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i learned that people's freedoms will be taken away, and they will be totally okay with it. they'll be ok putting their shit on facebook, being subjected to cameras everywhere, and the like, all in the name of peace and security.

people won't rebel about privacy. we have to be aware of that.
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That Orwell is almost as bad a writer as Huxley, people on like the 2 writers because they kind of predicted where we are heading.

But they were terrible writers.
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>>34288816
>certain thoughts should be made illegal

Good thing that's not possible your mind is the only thing you can truly own
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>>34288865
Yeah but saying that you're better than Rand isn't really that high of a praise.
>>34288870
Oh no my power level has been discovered!
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>>34288865
>Appeal to authority fallacy
of course a bunch of retarded liberal faggots are going to talk shit about Rand. That doesn't make them correct, it just makes them butthurt.
Communists are the ones with a childish ideology. "If we just make everyone work for free and give everyone free money the world will be perfect!"
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Why do people hate the Jew when it's obvious the Party was set up by Jews?
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>>34286205
>Adapt to the realities of life during wartime
What situation was there to adapt from? No country should remain constantly at war in order to destroy dissenters. In addition to this, it is heavily implied in Orwell's novel that most of the rebels are actually just manufactured by the state. Also, the government does not protect the people from gruesome rocket attacks that happen almost constantly. On top of all of this, in the end, Winston will be killed eventually. The only difference is that he was not allowed to die with dignity.

So everything you said was fake and gay.

Did you even read the fucking book?
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What I don't understand is the torture process. How can someone be "broken"? Do they have to constantly suppress their old thinking or do they really believe what they are told? Also why did Winston find it hard to think in the end?
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>>34287841
Animal farm isn't a true representation of communism and its forms, but it's a good representation of Stalinism or Totalitarianism in a communist state. Perfect communism would be a utopia and imperfect humans will never achieve it no matter how hard they try.

Now that I think about it, why hasn't somebody created a communist manifesto that takes into account the corrupting influence of people, especially those who run the system. I guess most think a new revolution will wipe the state clean, but revolution and counter-revolution is too destructive for meaningful progress.
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In the ramifications of party doctrine she had not the faintest interest. Whenever he began to talk of the principles of Ingsoc, doublethink, the mutability of the past, and the denial of objective reality, and to use Newspeak words, she became bored and confused and said that she never paid any attention to that kind of thing. One knew that it was all rubbish, so why let oneself be worried by it? She knew when to cheer and when to boo, and that was all one needed. If he persisted in talking of such subjects, she had a disconcerting habit of falling asleep. She was one of those people who can go to sleep at any hour and in any position. Talking to her, he realized how easy it was to present an appearance of orthodoxy while having no grasp whatever of what orthodoxy meant. In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.
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>>34289375
>stalinism
Aren't you late for another party split about how to properly complain that no country has ever put you guys in power little Trotskyite?
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>>34289029
Orwell was a genius, the writing was deliberate
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>>34289504
Das sexist
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Atlas Shrugged is good, people only hate it because it's conservative.
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>>34285552
Sure, we know that. But I've long said if Britain wanted infinite energy all they'd have to do is hook two electrodes up to Orwell's body - he must be spinning at relativistic speeds by now.
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>>34289349
It was not that the rats were what broke him in themselves, but rather than he wanted them to "do it to her" instead, showing the weakness of love in comparison to fear.
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>>34289141

Rand was a philosopher which by definition is one who produces nothing, putting her whole "you must produce something of worth in order to have a great society" philosophy into question

Name one thing Rand has ever invented, produced, or built and then ask why "retarded liberal faggots" don't take her seriously
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>>34289667
But how does that make him love the party and big brother?
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>>34289602
>long ass diatribes the novel
>good
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>>34289349

I love 1984 but I always thought the ending was pretty shitty.
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>>34286985
>Blaming democrats
>Saying "Nigga pls"
And you were so close.
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>>34289602

In the end, the Good Guys (who first destroy the world's economy, which sounds like something the Illumanti) who go free John Galt from the President of the United States who is torturing John Galt until he fixes the economy in the most boring rescue mission ever (since the guards guarding the prison flee in terror or die upon sight of Dagny). After the rescue mission, the Good Guys "win" by hiding in a valley in Colorado, protected by a magic force field that makes people under it invisible from the air. For obvious reasons, objectivists never, ever mention this part of the story.
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>>34286985

>The major mass shooters are from progressive liberal backgrounds

No they really aren't

Not even Liberal and I know this
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>>34285281
Why do you say that?
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>>34289839

Just like life

lel
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>>34286226

Orwell was a commie
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>>34289792
Because all elements of a life outside of big brother have been removed. He is dependant on it, in a pitiful way, like a child is to their parents.
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>>34288938
The book was against Stalinism
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>>34289765
She produced the philosophy, retard
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>>34290145
No. Orwell was an advocate of socialism an a denouncer of the communist regimes of the time
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>>34290394

So she produced nothing of value or worth?
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>>34285200
I learned the powers that be read the book and adopted another tactic. That of one from Brave New World

Oppress the masses by keeping them bogged down with items of pleasure.

>24/7 free porn access
>Games console/family entertainment unit
>unlimited access to tv and film through netflix. Why leave the house?
>Order all your shopping from your phone,pc or tablet, have it delivered to your door for no extra charge!
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>>34290084
Orwell's state orthodox philosophy, a comically exaggerated version of the Stalinist communist state philosophy, is so laughably crude it is unimaginable that any modern human civilization with an economy more advanced than peasant farming could function with it. Orwell also used his dystopia as a pack horse for things he didn't like: sexual repression, dumbing down of the language and literature, young attractive women who didn't want to fuck him, etc., without bothering to explain how these things were indelible features of totalitarianism or at all beneficial to the regime.
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>>34287882
Spies bro, fuckin' Spies.
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>>34285200

You can all circle jerk about how right Orwell is, but in a way Huxley was more right(And in a way, both are right in some ways.)

Orwell believed what we feared would destroy us. Huxley, however, believed what we love would. In Brave New World, the people were controlled by inflicting pleasure. Even now we see it in our own society.

Its always easy to be afraid of what we see as bad and evil, but how easy is it to see what you love is slowly corrupting you?
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>>34285492

>Fascism arises from the far left.
>Communism is far left.
>Communism is all for the people of all races and peoples.
>Fascism self glorifies one race in favor of others.
>Fascism is FAR LEFT.

Try again.

Your line graph is not accurate.
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>>34286071
>>34285809
Nice Nirvana fallacy bro, come back when you can into logic.
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>>34286985

>Look at how many violent crimes happened under democrat mayors!
>Does not provide Republican mayor numbers.

When will you all realize that they are two sides the same coin?
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>>34290738
It's both, and Orwell was likely closer. Look at how people are letting their rage out over some criminal getting shot instead of the NSA
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>>34285200
That Orwell writes astonishingly average prose
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>>34291066

>Orwell is closer

Yes, and I'm sure the term "Bread and circuses" still does not apply to today yes?

Think about it. Why else would the people stay at home and watch tv rather than get politically involved?
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>>34285200
>Plebs not welcome
Are we pretending babby's first dystopian literature is patrician now?
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Everyone thinks of "surveillance" when they think of 1984, but I almost think the Newspeak aspect is more important. Nobody who hasn't read the book knows about it though. PC SJW terminology and biased media are just the beginnings of Newspeak to me
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>>34289648
i think we(the west) don't walk into a straight orwell like society, more like a huxley-orwell crossover.
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>>34291860

This. "Brave New 1984", at least until the economic collapse, after which it'll be pure Orwell.
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>>34291428

I'll bet you think "The Handmaid's Tale" is a much more plausible dystopia, right?
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>>34291671
Orwell makes much of 'Newspeak' as an organ of repression - the
conversion of the English language into so limited and abbreviated an instrument that the very vocabulary of dissent vanishes. Partly he got the notion from the undoubted habit of abbreviation. He gives examples of 'Communist International' becoming 'Comintern' and 'Geheime Staatspolizei' becoming 'Gestapo', but that is not a modern totalitarian invention. 'Vulgus mobile' became 'mob'; 'taxi cabriolet' became 'cab'; 'quasi-stellar radio source' became 'quasar'; 'light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation' became 'laser' and so on. There is no sign that such compressions of the language have ever weakened it as a mode of expression.

As a matter of fact, political obfuscation has tended to use many words rather than few, long words rather than short, to extend rather than to reduce. Every leader of inadequate education or limited intelligence hides behind exuberant inebriation of loquacity. Orwell reminds me of that kid who bitches about present trends and future prospects to see old and wise. I mean hell his character refuses to use a ball point pen because "of a feeling that the beautiful creamy paper deserved to be written on with
a real nib instead of being scratched with an ink-pencil'. However this is dumb because steel pens, you will remember scratched fearsomely, and you know ball-points don't.

1984 is a book for pseudo-intellectuals written by a pseudo-intellectual.
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>>34292017
Why are you projecting?
Did I even mention plausibility?
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>>34291671
>>34291671
>>34291671
This, so much this. All of this twitter hashtag shit and niggerspeach is EXACTLY newspeak. They literally phase out words for simpler, fewer words. It's disgusting.
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>>34291671
double-think is also very important imho. and you can watch it in action around you all day every day.

he described a lot of interesting concepts.
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>>34292220
>parroting Asimov
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>>34292333
>hashtag shit and niggerspeach is EXACTLY newspeak

nope: what the polical correct politicans, the marketing idiots and the majority of the so called "journalists" do is newspeak.

since i am german i can only bring up german examples of it.... i bet the anglosphere has also nice euphemisms for ugly shit....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX4TC1cBvjg&list=PL09051740E8C42867

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbVjiJWUGmo&index=2&list=PL09051740E8C42867

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTUnrSjmngM&index=3&list=PL09051740E8C42867

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5A5CbN7CnY&list=PL09051740E8C42867&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SopoCNeHcIk&list=PL09051740E8C42867&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnDqRiKk0xc&list=PL09051740E8C42867&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IK--6YNJsM&list=PL09051740E8C42867&index=7
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>>34287119
This is only the beginning.
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>>34294747
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>>34290564
dumbass
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>>34292220
>doesn't get it
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>>34289178
Rule be deciet
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>>34289178
by* also dublethink
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>>34290466
>Implying ideas have no worth or that her ideas have no worth
Don't be such a double nigger
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