Race to be scrapped from Swedish legislation

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>>33281548
>race is a social construct

What the fuck does this even mean?

>>33281548
b...but what about affirmative action?

>>33281548
Race has been biologically proven to not exist. If this does away with affirmative action based on race, all the better.

>>33281649
Yes it does. It's like dog breeds.

>>33281636
it means there arent any genetic differences between races and that its a made up thing by people, so if you put a bunch of kids in a room that never heard about race they wouldn't notice that some groups of kids are different from others

>>33281636
It means: if we pretend race doesn't exist, maybe racism and hate will disappear!

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>>33281548
>We know that different human races actually do not exist
>We know
i cant even.

Man, those guys are in a real <REDACTED> to the bottom

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>>33281649
>Race has been biologically proven to not exist.

look at this retard right here

>Celebrate diversity!
>Races do not exist!

should be a good way to obscure crime stats

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>>33281707

That's hilariously naive.

>>33281769
we are all living creatures! "species" is a social construct! we are all living organisms!

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seriously why is sweden full
>We must do everything in our power to be as liberal as possible

>>33281730

Underrated post

>>33281548
>self-annihalting white people
Man, ebola can't wipe us out quickly enough. Can I get three cheers for loading cropdusters full of aids and ebola dosed nigger blood and having them fly low and slow over every populated area on earth, starting with Scandinavia? I want to see them bleed out through their peeholes while proclaiming to all and sundry that viruses are social constructs before I die of the same.

Fuck this gay earth.

>>33281636
The labels we use to define people (races) are arbitrary and not objective.

In real life Biology, there are no fine lines dividing "races" of people. There are some similarities between people who look the same, but there is no way to predict someone's actual genetics from their superficial appearance alone.

Basically, of course there are different "kinds" of people, but the labels we call "race" are actually quite invalid in any scientific context.

Don't get freaked out, they're just playing a semantic game.

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I thought SJW were against this sort of "SEE, WE DON'T SEE RACE WE'RE NOT RACIST" kind of logic

Since the only mentions of race in Swedish legislation is affirmative action, this means that the immigration politics of Sweden has finally come full circle. True tolerance is not giving a shit about how black and oppressed you are.

>>33281865
>The labels we use to define people (races) are arbitrary and not objective.

exactly! just like species! who's to say a lion is not a human being! we are all living creatures!

>There are some similarities between people who look the same, but there is no way to predict someone's actual genetics from their superficial appearance alone.
i know! those forensic anthropologists are just evil liars! they claim they can determine someones ancestry with 99% just by looking at their skeleton! clearly it is just evil racist magic lies! even evil bigoted hospitals use race classification for medicine, such evil

>>33281548
>>33281636
Social constructs are a social construct.

>>33281865

>The labels we use to define people (races) are arbitrary and not objective.

Same with "species".

There is not a single universally agreed upon definition of species within the scientific community.

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>>33281548
>>"We also know that the fundamental grounds of racism are based on the belief that there are different races, and that belonging to a race makes people behave in a certain way, and that some races are better than others."

>>33281893
Don't they also have laws on racial discrimination in employment and the like? I'd think that this would also get rid of hate speech laws.

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>>33281843
"Living organisms" is a social construct; we're all things. You should have to respect my rights as a sedimentarysexual

>>33281994
>There is not a single universally agreed upon definition of species within the scientific community.

what happened to "creatures that can breed together and produce offspring that are also fertile?"

>>33282051
I am so sorry, I did not mean to oppress you, I even have a cousin that is transinanimate

Frankly this is great.

>no affirmative action
>no hate crimes
>private people are still free to believe what they want about race

sounds fine to me

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>>33282095
>>33282051

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SWEDEN

YES

>>33282053
why that's just an arbitrary distinction!

>>33281548
>The concept of race is included in around 20 Swedish laws, including criminal code, student financial aid laws, and credit information laws.

While the rest of that paragraph is retarded, I do question why race needs to be addressed in these areas. Unless the law was specially about documentation and statistics, I don't see why credit information laws need to know if someone's black when job, payment, and criminal history is a better judge of character.

>>33281548
In the US that'd be great.
No more affirmative action bullshit.

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>>33281548
>State social justice
Sweden
Yes
(1)

>>33282053
>A species is often defined as the largest group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring. While in many cases this definition is adequate, the difficulty of defining species is known as the species problem.

>The species problem is a mixture of difficult related questions that often come up when biologists define the word "species". Definitions are usually based on how individual organisms reproduce, but biological reality means that a definition that works well for some organisms (e.g., birds) will be useless for others (e.g., bacteria).

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>Sweden

Who even gives a fuck?

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>We know that different human races actually do not exist
Except they fucking do you god damn idiot
WHO PUTS THESE IDIOTS IN CHARGE HOLY SHIT

>>33282133

it also removes the collection of race data from the census, like what happened in France and recently in the UK. It will be illegal to know what percent of people in your country are foreigners.

>>33282230
sweden already does that

you can't make plainly obvious facts vanish by not mentioning them.

>>33281994
>>33281977

There are major genetical distinctions between species. This is not so in humans. It's fairly simple.

>>33281636

Long story short, it's that whole "There is only one race and that is the HUMAN race!" bullshit phrase.

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>>33282190
Sweden
Yes
(2)

>>33282053

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem

Booga booga, now we can do everything we want in your country, dirty white.

20 years later....

BOOHOO BOOGA BOOGA, WHERE IS THE FREE MONIES, WHY IS SWEDEN COVERED IN GRASS?

>>33282270
Can't find the third one, but you get the idea

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>>33282216

>>33281649
>Race has been biologically proven to not exist.
according to sociologists. biologists disagree.

>>33282191
oh no, when will the oppression of the poor bacteria, viruses and prions stop

truly this is question of our time

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>>33282051
>sedimentarysexual

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If races aren't real how can racism be real? How can you discriminate people for something that doesn't exist?

>>33282253
>There are major genetical distinctions between species
those distinctions are arbitrary and your view of major is purely subjective

>This is not so in humans.
thats a matter of opinion

>It's fairly simple.
apparently not for you

>How biochemically identical are we to our fellow humans? The DNA sequence in your genes is on average 99.9% identical to ANY other human being. Meaning, if you have a gene that is 1000 bases long, on average there will be only 1 base that is different between you.

http://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask166

>>33282354
its stops now! we are all things! we need to stop dividing and labeling things!

Why is it that only white people do this? If you were to tell a Korean that he belongs to the same race as a Japanese, you'd be laughed at. Niggers in Africa kill each other due to the size of their shins and other stupid shit. Tribes in South America split apart by 10 meters wide water streams had different languages, customs and went to war all the fucking time.
Why is it that only white people keep hammering this idea that everyone is the same despite glaring differences? No other people on Earth would even consider belonging to this brownish mass that only white people insist on creating.

>>33282333

Biologists disagreed before the advent of genetics, there is now a scientific consensus that race does not exist as a biological concept in reference to humans.

>>33281548

So now minorities won't get a free ride based on their race....right?

>>33281640
> b...but what about affirmative
> action?

They'll edit the text of the relevant laws to remove any direct reference to the word "race", and otherwise make sure it remains 100% intact.

Remove kebab, remove Sweden.

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>>33282253

>This is not so in humans

The fst distances between human population groups are as large or larger than in organisms considered to be separate species.

http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/woodley-2009-is-homo-sapiens-polytypic-human-taxonomic-diversity-and-its-implications.pdf

>>33281548
Does this mean I can use slurs against minorities without getting sued?

also
>ullenhag
Not even once, I wish those three kebabs had finished the job a few years ago

>>33282384
what about between a banana

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So if race doesn't exist then racism doesn't exist, we can gas the kikes, right?

>>33282020
anything else would be hypocritical.

Altho the left has proven to be prone to double standards, so it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't.

I like to think their political movement looses 1 follower every time they contradict themselves. It helps me sleep at night :^)

>>33282139
It IS binary. Just because a few crazy people want it to not be binary doesn't make it so.

(Yes, I realize there is the very small intersex percentage that isn't even significant enough to matter.)

>>33282141
Why the fuck do most of the nigresses wear the same fucking skirt?

>>33282429
except there isn't

>>33282429
This was 99,9999999% due to sociological ideology.

The FST between Whites (British) and Blacks (Bantu) is 0.23:
http://www.genetics.org/content/105/3/767.abstract

The FST between the common chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) and the bonobo (Pan paniscus) is 0.103 which is half the White-Black difference despite the two being classified as separate species:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018442X04700335

The FST between two gorilla species, Gorilla gorilla and Gorilla beringei is 0.04 or 1/6 the difference between Blacks and Whites:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/bioc/2005/00000014/00000009/00004781;jsessionid=ebk3f9ja9mb61.alexandra?format=print
http://www.berggorilla.org/fileadmin/gorilla-journal/gorilla-journal-20-english.pdf

The FST between humans and Neanderthals is less than 0.08 or about 1/3 the Black-White difference:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018442X04700335
http://www.pnas.org/content/100/11/6593.abstract
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/19/8/1359.full

The FST between humans and homo erectus is 0.17 which is 3/4 the Black-White distance:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018442X04700335

Thus, whites and blacks are more genetically distant than two different chimpanzee species, two different gorilla species, humans vs. Neanderthals, and humans vs. homo erectus.

The average FST between different dog breeds is 0.154 which is nearly identical to the average FST between human populations at 0.155:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11773246
http://www.pnas.org/content/94/9/4516.abstract

Although wolves (Canis lupus) and dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) are a different species (lupus) than coyotes(Canis latrans):
"there is less mt-DNA difference between dogs, wolves, and coyotes than there is between the various ethnic groups of human beings."
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Domestic_Dog.html?id=I8HU_3ycrrEC

>>33281636
what the fuck is a social construct and wha does that mean

>>33281780
My only question is how are they going to discriminate against white guys now?

>>33281548
>>"We also know that the fundamental grounds of racism are based on the belief that there are different races

We're going to tell white people they can't believe their eyes. Everyone else will surely reciprocate.

>>33282508

Ideology does not change a genome and that is the basis of the scientific opinion. End of story.

>>33282560
It means too many people watched The Matrix and took the wrong point to heart.

>>33282620
exactly, the scientific opinion that races exist is based on genetics

end of story

>>33282428
>Niggers in Africa kill each other due to the size of their shins and other stupid shit

They learned it from the whites. Unless the whites had planted ideas of ethnical differences and created rifts in Rwanda by placing the minority Tutsi in charge of the majority Hutu(because the Tutsi were considered racially superior), the genocide would have never happened there.

>>33282378
Not that I don't think it exists, but what you're saying doesn't make any sense. Humans have imagination, beliefs, misconceptions, you know, things that aren't necessarily scientifically correct. Race very much so exists in science though, so yeah.

>Why race as a biological construct matters

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/05/why-race-as-a-biological-construct-matters/

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>>33282435

Awww, it's cute that think there's even a remote chance that will happen.

>>33282371

What's this face called? I've seen it many times but I've never seen a name for it.

>>33282560
All it means is that humans define what the different races are.

>>33282650

If you are so tied to your own ideology that you will literally deny science in order to reaffirm your views then I don't know what else to say to you. Myself, I prefer facts and objective evidence as the basis for holding an opinion. Have fun though.

>>33281649
Bullshit. I always knew niggers were different and even pointed black people out in public as a kid before being rebuked by embarrassed parents.

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>>33282651

>They learned it from the whites.

Yeah man, that's why the Bantu wiped out damn near everyone else before whites ever made contact with them.

>>33282745
>If you are so tied to your own ideology that you will literally deny science in order to reaffirm your views then I don't know what else to say to you

i think you linked to the wrong person, pretty sure this should go to the guy denying race exists

>>33282766

I used to tell my mom to not call black people black and instead people of color when I was a little kid

I never felt so ashamed in my life after she told me this, where the FUCK did I got that from

>>33282651
>They learned it from the whites.

Naturally. It's someone else's fault. Before the whites came these savages lived in liberal societies devoted to diversity, tolerance and a complete absence of "privilege."

>>33282651
>it be da white devil's fault!
Please, nigger tribes had been at war everywhere, every time in Africa, for the most shifty reasons. White people just picked sides.

>>33282656

Of course the conclusion is that race exists.

What I don't understand is how you can claim that it doesn't exist. Even superficial attributes like natural skin color is indicative of your race. Regardless if you think the difference is only skin-deep, you at least in some way acknowledge the diffference between different distinct groups of human beings.

Personally I think that the culture you belong to holds much more importance than your pedigree, but I acknowledge the existance of race.

>>33282860

>Personally I think that the culture you belong to holds much more importance than your pedigree

Then you're an idiot.

>>33282832
>>33282851
>>33282806

I'm not saying the whites are entirely to blame for what happened in Rwanda, but in that particular case they ignited the spark. Of course the Hutu themselves savagely did the killing(first hand with machetes no less), but the lessons they received in colonial times didn't exactly improve the situation.

>>33282429

that's not anymore true than saying species don't exist. There is no set way to define either groupings, but we have practical rules that work for now.

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>>33281548
>sweden: if we pretend things we don't like don't exist they'll go away!

yeah race doesn't exist in separate species way but its a fair stand in places for observable difference (not just skin color) and those won't just go away if you pretend they aren't there.

>>33282560

equality is a social construct

Race is a social construct. It is a useful and natural way that humans classify the people around them. There is a biological basis to race- if there wasn't, then we couldn't tell the races apart.

>>33282963
>they may have chopped their way through piles of bodies by themselves, but whites weren't nice and set a bad example!!!
you're a fucking idiot.

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>>33282010
>English
>No Celtic
mfw

>>33282958

So if we placed a newborn baby born from a mother in a particularily vile and brutal indigenous tribe from africa in a family of middle class white people in a first-world country, what do you think would have deepest impression of the child's life? Perhaps it would be less able in some academical areas or something, but I think it would end up pretty "normal" in our eyes. More so than blacks in a black ghetto anyway.

>social construct

It sure is, a damn important one at that.

Along with the fundamental principles of law and order, which have been constructed through societies.

Swedes are honestly disgusting.

>>33283104

>the celts
>an actual race of people

Pick one.

>>33283104
Cultural group.
That said, the list is lacking, and points towards everyone of European descent as one of the 4 (debatably 3) listed.

>>33283104

Celts aren't a race dumb fuck.

Its a fairly modern term conctocted to include the Picts/Basques/Manx ect. All of which were genetically from different groups/areas of Europe anyway.

>>33283087

White guilt isn't justified, since modern whites have little to do with what happened during colonial times. What is important is to learn that it's easy to stir up ethnical conflicts in a position of power. The people in Rwanda doing the killing are ultimately to blame since they did the killing, but we should learn from history that this is what happens when you create a rift in society, just like the Swedes are doing by importing massive amounts of people of a different culture. Unless they are assimilated to the cultural majority already there, violence on some scale will erupt.

>Upon the Suiones, border the people Sitones; and, agreeing with them in all other things, differ from them in one, that here the sovereignty is exercised by a woman. So notoriously do they degenerate not only from a state of liberty, but even below a state of bondage.

swedes have always been like this

Does anyone know a country that i can move to that isn't completely fucking retarded?

>Sweden to scrap any mention of "language" from Swedish legislation, saying that language is a social construct which should not be encouraged in law

>Sweden to scrap any mention of law from Swedish legislation, saying that law is a social construct which should not be encouraged in law

Races are as much a "social construct" as language or species are. There's a REASON you can tell with 99% certainty where someone is from based on their looks. There's a reason a DNA test can tell you where you are from.

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>>33283345

>>33283244
>Implying they were one race

The Brythonic, Gaelic and Pictish Celts and even the Norse were in Britain as well as just the Anglo-Saxons

>>33283294
>Genetics don't exist

>>33283345
If you're a swede you can go literally anywhere else and it's guaranteed going to be a thousand times less insane in comparison.

Finn here, Estonia is cool so if things get as bad as Swedenistan here I can always cross the strait there and it's zero niggers from there on out.

>>33281548

Sweden is batshit insane.

Their suicidal level is off the charts.

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>>33283414

I think he'd want to be able to breath.

>>33283294
That's because they only had sample DNA from those ethnic groups in the study..

oy vey

>>33282963

You act as if they were innocent as Adam before the fall until whites taught them everything they know about savage butchery.

Racism is a social construct and doesn't exist either then.

If race is a social construct, people are completely foolish for being offended by racism.

If a million Jamals are invited to Sweden and the rape rate goes up by 500%:

Is it:

a) Just their culture

b) White Swedish males fault for not intergrating them enough

c) Nigs gonna nig

Sweden in 5 years time will be like this. If there aren't enough Somalis in government, thats racist even though racism is a social construct.

If there are too many Somalis committing disproportionate amounts of crime, its not a problem because race doesnt matter.

Its the future you chose Sweden.

>>33283414
Pic unrelated?
He asked for a country that is not completely fucking retarded

Aaand the worst part is that it's still better to live in Sweden than almost any other western country (barring Norway and Switzerland).

Might as well give up.

>>33282963
> nitpicking so whitey can be blamed.

you sure are good at making a one-sided, biased point anon.

You must be either retarded, a troll, a shill or a jewel.

>>33283501

That's not what I wanted to imply, sorry if I came off that way.

Swede here, ask me anything.

Proof: börk börk IKEA ABBA

>>33283113

Such an alien environment might inhibit to some degree natural tendencies, certainly.

>>33281864
Anon don't say that, it will happen. People will want the disease to spread as quickly as possible and this is the best way to do it. Don't doubt it, just watch the sky.

>implying this spineless faggot is gonna keep his chair when SD2014 comes along

>>33283513

>better to live in

By what measure?

Its a pretty good country for the Swedish NEET youth who sit playing vidya all day.

Other than that Sweden isnt 'that' high on standard quality of life indexes.

Not sure what knowing that my country has a Feminist Party that gets 6% of the electoral vote and bans anti-immigration views as hate speech would do to me.

>>33283113

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_%28gorilla%29

>>33283345
stay and fight the hordes you pissweak faggot.

If this is how swedes are, the state of your country makes more sense

>>33283690

Doesn't that only support my argument that nurture is more important than nature, when it makes such a profound difference even on a cousin species.

>tfw Swedish traffic to 4chan has rapidly declined since mid-2012
>tfw this is probably because they've been getting BTFO by everyone from /v/ to /pol/ since then

This couldn't matter any less. All of Europe is pozzed as hell anyway, this is like throwing a stick on a pile of blazing faggots.

Breaking news: Sweden is fagsuck central. Also water still wet

>>33283649

Even in the unlikely scenario that SD gets a massive election result like 20%, and Ullenhag loses his position in the fallout, he'll probably end up in some PR firm and make mad dolla just like his peers.

>>33283772

See:

>>33282247

and:

>Genetic influences on brain morphology and IQ are well studied. A variety of sophisticated brain-mapping approaches relating genetic influences on brain structure and intelligence establishes a regional distribution for this relationship that is consistent with behavioral studies. We highlight those studies that illustrate the complex cortical patterns associated with measures of cognitive ability. A measure of cognitive ability, known as g, has been shown highly heritable across many studies. We argue that these genetic links are partly mediated by brain structure that is likewise under strong genetic control. Other factors, such as the environment, obviously play a role, but the predominant determinant appears to genetic.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15651931

>>33283631
No, I want this. I would rather be a dead person on a dead world than live another day in a world where white people refuse to wake up and accept the burden of their own magnificent majesty.

>>33283775

I'm dreading the day when feminists get enough influence to restrict access to something they brand something like "Misogynistic websites"(including 4chan) and I can't visit this place unless I use a VPN service.

>>33283822
I sure hope you're not writing that from the states, since american colleges are literally the breeding ground for feminism and social justice.

>>33282429
No, now we know race does exist. How could it not? Its simple genetics.

>>33282717
Yarranakia

>>33283871


>General intelligence is an important human quantitative trait that accounts for much of the variation in diverse cognitive abilities. Individual differences in intelligence are strongly associated with many important life outcomes, including educational and occupational attainments, income, health and lifespan. Data from twin and family studies are consistent with a high heritability of intelligence, but this inference has been controversial. We conducted a genome-wide analysis of 3511 unrelated adults with data on 549?692 single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) and detailed phenotypes on cognitive traits. We estimate that 40% of the variation in crystallized-type intelligence and 51% of the variation in fluid-type intelligence between individuals is accounted for by linkage disequilibrium between genotyped common SNP markers and unknown causal variants. These estimates provide lower bounds for the narrow-sense heritability of the traits. We partitioned genetic variation on individual chromosomes and found that, on average, longer chromosomes explain more variation. Finally, using just SNP data we predicted ~1% of the variance of crystallized and fluid cognitive phenotypes in an independent sample (P=0.009 and 0.028, respectively). Our results unequivocally confirm that a substantial proportion of individual differences in human intelligence is due to genetic variation, and are consistent with many genes of small effects underlying the additive genetic influences on intelligence.

http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/mp201185a.html


>"Heritability estimates range from 0.4 to 0.8 … indicating genetics plays a bigger role than environment in creating IQ differences"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence

>>33283775
>"BTFO"

You mean imagedumps of pictures of misleading and falsified information by some butthurt finn?

Sure, Sweden sucks, but the rest of the world sucks even harder.

>>33281730
kek

So this means it is literally impossible to be anti-semitic, right? Semitic doesn't exist?

Laws are social constructs too you stupid fucking cunts. Jesus Christ this world is going to hell. We are entering an age of both conservative and liberal anti-intellectualism. God have mercy on our ignorant masses.

>>33281707
Maybe the retarded ones wouldn't.
>If you put a bunch of colored blocks on the ground and asked them to point out the red ones they couldn't do it

>>33281548
Good. Race shouldn't be included in law. The government should be giving everyone the equal chance to succeed or fail.

>>33284004
No, you can still be anti-semetic or racist, it will merely be classified as being a form of schizophrenic delusion and you will be sectioned and medicated to control your hallucinations of race.

>>33281649
>Race has been biologically proven to not exist.
top kek bullshit.

Not killing people is a social construct.

>>33283113
We do that. They still end up scoring less on SATs and with lower IQs.

>>33284004
We can only hope.
It'll be a hoot reading the news about some "guy" getting his ass kicked by a group of "urban youths" with whitepixelated features in malmö and just know it was a bunch of arabs fucking up a jew.

>>33284091
exactly, all blocks are the same!

>>33283871

Surely you know enough about genetics to know about epigenetics, then? I'm not talking about mumbo jumbo social sciences and how newborn humans are blank papers waiting for ink. Humans are different from population to population, from individual to individual, and all people are not equally gifted.

But behavior is very moldable by environment, from the moment you are a fetus.For example that babies born from mothers who starved during pregnancy are more likely to over-eat due to their bodies being configured for survival-mode since infancy. Even if some races are vastly inferior in terms of intelligence, or more agressive, et cetera, it's possible to coexist with them in the right environment.

>>33281865
Im so sick of this 'ignoring science for a perfect world outcome' attitude.

Its great though. People of different races require different treatments and procedures when it comes to medicine, so if we all pretend that we are one race, we are guaranteed that all but one race will die off.

TO PROGRESS!!!

>>33283981
Yeah, no, go away Swede.

>>33281548
>student financial aid laws
Man in America the nigs would be going crazy not getting their student checks by checking the Afircan American box on race.

>>33282549

Damn...

>>33283772

Just turn the beast loose from isolated captivity then. With such "nurturing" surely there will be no reversion.

>>33284188

That's still a better result than them resorting to violence and other uncivilized behavior. What's the alternative, killing them all? Placing them in quarantine?

>>33284225
>Even if some races are vastly inferior in terms of intelligence, or more agressive, et cetera, it's possible to coexist with them in the right environment.

implying there's any fucking reason we should have to coexist with subhuman garbage even if we could.

>>33284240
:^)

>>33281649
>Race has been biologically proven to not exist. If this does away with affirmative action based on race, all the better.
Thats funny because they can determine what race someone is by looking at their DNA..

Hmm guess it doesn't exist.

>>33284304
Organized violence for a greater purpose is pretty much the peak of civilized behavior.

>>33283449
Celts are gauls you filthy nigger.
What do you want? Fucking Irish & Scots?
Those weren't even really celtic, after all, they mixed so wonderfully with norse and pictish populations they encountered there!

>>33284398

The rule of law itself is a form of "organized violence for a greater purpose."

>>33282963
>Monkey see, monkey take to most extreme example possible

What defines a 'race' anyway? Is it the number of chromosomes along with their structure?

There are plenty of different dog races with the same DNA structure...

>>33284318

So at what point is a human subhuman garbage, then? How do we deal with matter of outliers?

Even if it's a fact that the vast majority of white people are superior in empathy, intelligence, and their overall contribution to humanity genetically, there would still be exceptions. Should they die? How should we test them? Should all people with insufficient IQ be imprisoned or killed? Vice versa, how about exceptional individuals from a "lesser" race who show intelligence superior to most white people?

Narbara Spectre wins again!

>>33284521

It's not so much monkey see monkey do as it is creating an ethnical rift by placing the minority in charge of the majority. Of course, I doubt the people who did this had any idea of what it could lead to.

>>33281548

>race is a social construct
Fuck that

>race should not be mentioned in law
YES, at least they got something right

So wait. If the Swedish police go innawoods and discover a skeleton, will they be racist if they determine the gender and race of that person based on xir's bones?

>>33282428
>white people
but anon, jews aren't white

>>33284225

>Surely you know enough about genetics to know about epigenetics, then?

See:

>End the Hype over Epigenetics & Lamarckian Evolution

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/03/end_the_hype_over_epigenetics__lamarckian_evolution.html

http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2013/12/13/inherited-memories/

Gregory Cochran gives a discussion on genetics, including epigenetics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3310KWlDXg

>Humans are different from population to population, from individual to individual, and all people are not equally gifted.

I agree.

>But behavior is very moldable by environment, from the moment you are a fetus.

The evidence I just presented to you suggests that at least in terms of intelligence genetics matters more than environment.

>Even if some races are vastly inferior in terms of intelligence, or more agressive, et cetera, it's possible to coexist with them in the right environment.

Wouldn't the less intelligent, more aggressive people be a burden on the more intelligent? It's possible to coexist, but why should we? Why, for example, should Sweden embrace "multiculturalism"? Their immigration policy is filling their country with millions of low IQ individuals. They are importing a permanent underclass.

Will Europe ever fight back?

>Be a proud negro
>Go to Sweden
>They consider me the same as an Asian or a Nordic
How dare they say I'm not African, I'm not the same as a white man and the differences are more than skin deep.

is sweden a fake country that exists to demonstrate the pitfalls of degeneracy?

>>33282139
Holy shit those sliders make me so mad

>>33284550
>So at what point is a human subhuman garbage, then?
If they are niggers, they are subhuman garbage.
>How do we deal with matter of outliers?
We ignore them because if they breed their children regress to the mean. Just because an incredibly exceptional nigger can function at the same level as a slightly above average white or asian person doesn't mean shit.

I don't even give a shit about g, to be honest. I want to live in a world that values populations with genetic tendencies towards future time orientation, strong group trust networks, and men who feel strongly compelled to look out for the children they father with women who consider the monogamous relationships they enter to be sacrosanct. These are traits that emerge from evolving in resource scarce northern environments which niggers can't even begin to emulate, much less embody.

The increased IQ is just a bonus.

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>>33284532

The semi-discrete genetic clusters of allele frequencies created as a result of divergent evolutionary process due to extended geographical isolation.

>>33281548

Are these guys really subtly ending pro-nonwhite legislation by doing this? If the only crime is "racism" but you can't specify who it's directed against, they'll have to arrest racist Muslims too, right?

>>33284831
the law doesnt apply to them apparently

>>33281707

This guy is a shill troll, he started a thread the other day saying the same thing, wouldn't admit anything and just left the thread once /pol/ raped him with hate-facts

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>>33281548
>sweden
YES

>>33284550

I believe we can exist side by side with blacks better if we cut the bullshit out of the dialogue. That means no more pandering. No more excuses. No more promoting their debased culture. That means the naked truth.

No more bringing ourselves down to their level, but rather bringing them up to ours. This means unpleasant realities need to be addressed.

>>33281548

The Swedes are dishonestly posturing again.

It turns out that Sweden has by far the highest discrimination against non-native workers out of the entire EU:

http://inserbia.info/today/2014/07/sweden-worst-in-eu-at-getting-non-eu-citizens-into-work/

>>33284667

I think you will have burdens on society regardless of how you choose to do, whether it be people of other race, culture, cripples, addicts, elders, people with psychological issues, people with medical issues or what have you. I think the more important point is how you handle these burdens, whether you can exploit whatever skills they have regardless of their handicap.

Of course, there is absolutely no reason to actively increase your burden like Sweden is doing with arguments like "We are so well off, we can take care of more people", "We have so much space", "They make things more exciting" or my personal favorite "Don't see it as a problem, see it as a challenge!". Especially since Sweden already is faced with the burden of an aging population, how is that going to be solved with importing people who most likely be on welfare all their life, regardless if it's caused by their lack of education, talent, will or because of the inefficiency of integration/assimilation.

I concede the point about epigenetics though, you seem more knowledgeable.

>>33284643

In which Swedish laws is race specifically addressed?

>>33281548

>removing all mentions of race in legislation

Sound like a good idea. Race shouldn't be the ground upon which we judge people or what they do, so why even keep it in legislation.

>HURR DURR races don't exist
>MUH SOCL CONSTRUCT

God fuck these bitches.
Do Swedes elect their government by counting out how many shares they got on tumblr?
I seriously don't get why they can't talk about this like grownups anymore.

>>33284550

They should stay out of our countries, you're aware how small our numbers our, yes? These outliners should help their own fucking people.

>>33284968
What most people fail to realize is that most swedes are seriously racist against anyone who doesn't speak perfect swedish and has assimilated. Not openly, but they are.
Sit down in any lunchroom and wait, and sooner or later someone is gonna bring up immigration or niggers doing something stupid, and everyone will agree.

>>33284985

>Of course, there is absolutely no reason to actively increase your burden like Sweden is doing with arguments like "We are so well off, we can take care of more people", "We have so much space", "They make things more exciting" or my personal favorite "Don't see it as a problem, see it as a challenge!". Especially since Sweden already is faced with the burden of an aging population, how is that going to be solved with importing people who most likely be on welfare all their life, regardless if it's caused by their lack of education, talent, will or because of the inefficiency of integration/assimilation.

I'm glad that we can agree.

>>33285008
>I seriously don't get why they can't talk about this like grownups anymore.

Implying we can.

>>33285017
>These outliners should help their own fucking people.

Agreed, but they are actively encouraged not to since they are offered a better life in the west.

I was more talking about how you deal with people who are part of a large ethnical minority and who are already in a western country, perhaps for several generations. Some argue as though they want to exterminate or throw them all out, and I don't think it's realistically feasible, nor do I think it's the ethically correct decision.

>>33285033

This is the reality everywhere there is a dominant ethnic culture.

>>33285033

The ones who speak warmest about immigration are the ones who live and work farthest from it, which ironically is the case for all people working in established media. Even immigrants themselves hate Swedens excessive migration, since it causes problems for them.

>>33285190
Yeah but the annoying part is that we have politicians who truly believe we should just throw the country away just so we can look good in the eyes of the rest of the world.

>>33283920
it's not exclusive to american colleges, friend.

Sweden is what a completely judaised country looks like.

>>33281865
Not in medical classrooms, we get to learn the differences in races in terms of reaction to meds/difference in med administration amount, blood type, genetic diseases, lab values etc.

Then we get to go to bioethics where they tell us race is a social construct.

>>33285269
Yeah, I bet immigration is no big deal when you work in a swanky office in downtown Stockholm, where the only immigrants are modern, college-educated people who WANT to be a part of the society. They don't see the hordes of uneducated, illiterate and violent savages that try to bring along their honorkilling, sharialaws and who are just happy to get welfare for the rest of their lives. I mean, welfare is a giant step up from sitting in the desert without any money. Here they get paid to watch satellite tv and hang out with other foreigners. It must truly be a paradise, if it wasn't for that annoying part where you need to learn enough swedish to go shopping in a grocery store...eh, fuck it, just play dumb and wait until your kids are old enough, they'll pick up swedish while growing up, let them do the talking.

>>33285323

I wouldn't know where to start with their rationale for all of their cant.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cant

I just know it's counter-productive garbage. It's some sort of brain disease.

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>>33281548
Is this real life?

>>33285173

>I don't think it's realistically feasible, nor do I think it's the ethically correct decision.

Then you're just another bleeding heart, they'd wipe us out without any debate as history has shown. They don't belong in Europe or any white country, they should be deported, it will of course end in some violence as some won't obey.

They're projected to replace whites as a majority in more and more countries within a few decades and yet here you are talking about ethics. It not being realistic is ridiculous with the possible exception of America, but I've long since given up caring about America.

>>33284621
I didn't say it was monkey see, monkey do, and I didn't say that because genocide isn't equal to conquest on even the most remote level you disgusting little monster

>>33285323

The irony is that Sweden's excessive immigration acts like a deterrant for other countries to follow suit rather than an inspiration like the politicians in Sweden claim.

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>>33285523

>>33285654
Holy shit but why? Some of these people have had roots in these countries for several generations, and you just want to throw them back to some country they no longer belong to?

This is referring to those living in western countries who were born in said countries and have integrated themselves within the larger culture. For all intents and purposes, they are whatever that culture happens to be, and they would no more fit in to their supposed home country than you would fit into their country.

Throwing them out like this would not only cause huge issues both foreign and domestic, but would create enemies out of formerly loyal citizens.

>>33285950
If they have been in country for several generations and the great great great grandchildren of the first generation don't look almost indistinguishable from the native population, then they haven't assimilated and have proven they don't belong in the host country.

If you move to a country and only breed with your fellow immigrants and continue practicing your old traditions, you're a fucking parasite and you need to be excised.

>>33285950
>Holy shit but why? Some of these people have had roots in these countries for several generations, and you just want to throw them back to some country they no longer belong to?

If great grand pappy Achmed can do it, surely, young Baboo can.

>>33285523
>>33285729


GOOD LUCK EBOLA! YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE!

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>wake up
>open /pol/
>see this thread
>entire day ruined

So, can we all agree that Swedes aren't allowed to be white anymore?

>>33285654

Of course, the ethic side of it is subjective, otherwise I don't even think we would be having this discussion.

As for the realistic feasiblity of it I just don't understand how it would be done. Take Sweden for example. A lot of the immigrants are second or third generation. They have never lived in "their country", perhaps they don't even have bonds to it, or perhaps the concept of "their country" doesn't even exist, like it is with Kurdish people. Is it reasonable to have them leave? Some of them aren't even welfare tourists, but people who escaped because they would be killed if they stayed, or if they return, as is the case for many christians from muslim countries. It would be like sending them to execution.

(cont ...)

>>33285654
>>33286329

Disregarding the "who and where", there is also the matter of actually making them leave. Dumping a letter in their inbox saying "It's time to get the fuck out" might work for some, but the vast majority won't have that. They might even rebel, riot or cause acts of terrorism. So if they won't leave voluntarily you must force them, but even that might prove difficult, especially since Sweden's army is practically nonexistant. But even if Sweden had a grand army, it hardly feels like it would be enough to make all of them leave peacefully. At the very least, the whole country would be distabilized, perhaps even plunged into a civil war.

The most efficient approach as I see it is just to cut social benefits on a grand scale, or at least require something in return for benefits. Social turists who aren't interested in working or becoming a part of the society would leave pretty quickly, and those that can't make it would follow suit after. The ones left would be the ones who can make some sort of living and thus a contribution to society. But even so, this approach probably would cause much outrage.

And all this is ignoring the fact that neither the Swedish public nor the politicians in Sweden are open to the deportation approach, as is the case for most countries where immigration is a problem. That is the foremost reason why this I don't consider this to be realistic.

>>33281548
>"We know that different human races actually do not exist,"
>Swedish Integration Minister
surprise surprise, man enforcing miscegenation says no such thing as race.

/r/ing
>I'm not stupid enough to believe in facts

>>33285950

>back to some country they no longer belong to?

They never belonged here, they are not part of the nations of those countries and are incapable of becoming a part of it.

>Loyal citizens

Spare me, even the most "assimilated" non white attacks European culture because they have no link to it.

>For all intents and purposes, they are whatever that culture happens to be

No they aren't, Europe is not America. I have a cousin with Japanese citizenship, it doesn't make him Japanese, he's incapable of becoming Japanese, he knows that and so do the Japanese.

I'm done speaking with you American, you make me sick.

>>33285332

>implying Lutheranism isn't what has been doing this to Sweden for over a 150 years

Sweden has long been the crackpot leftist shithole in Europe long before any Jew even bothered to live there.

>>33282443
when someone puts Jamal Abdahuboo on their resume it's pretty clear what race he is.

>>33283476


It's actually funny, because Sweden led the developed Western World in suicides in the 90's and much of the 00's. It's now coming out in their political policy.

>race doesn't exist if we pretend it doesn't

denying reality is a social construct

>>33286597
they're treating it like a monster hiding under their bed. they are truly giant children.

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>>33285332

I personally blame Soviet subversion from East Germany.

>>33286597

social constructs are social constructs

>>33286654
sweden along with france were the leading countries for feminism and women's suffrage in the late 19th century ... long before the soviets. sweden is just a liberal shithole. it has been this way since the 1800s

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>>33281649
Fuck off, retard.

What will happen when non-white people become the majority? Will they treat us nice like we treat them?

>>33286706

But Sweden wasn't a shithole during the most of the 20th century, even though it was a bit too socialistic for my taste. Although much of the well-being of the country can be attributed to staying out of WW2. Shit started to go downhill in the 70s with Olof Palme, when East Germany spies was crawling up Sweden's ass.

>>33281865
>Don't get freaked out, they're just playing a semantic game.

This. Race is a social construct, but in the same way that what we define as a "german shepard" versus a "poodle" is a social construct

>>33286859
Are you deluded or something? Sweden isn't a shithole by any reach, hell, it's one of the best countries on earth. I'm not saying it's gonna continue being great, what with all these brown people ruining everything, but it's still vastly superior to most of the world.

>>33281548
>Race to be scrapped from Swedish legislation
What about their sub-par cultures?

>>33284352
>Thats funny because they can determine what race someone is by looking at their DNA..

BAM

>>33281707

b8/8 would not db8

>>33286994

You misinterpret me, I meant that it was a shithole before the 20th century. I did say things started to go downhill in the 70s, but as you say, Sweden's standard of living is still up there with the best countries, but the future is looking pretty grim.

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>>33281548
http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/53daeca56f476-it-s-happening-ebola-edition.php

Ebola will free Sweden.

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>>33281985
/thread
>mfw OP's post is even a discussion

>>33281548
you STUPID motherfuckers

>>33284991

Doesn't matter, race should never be a factor in law, ever, for any reason

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can we turn this into a proper thread?

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>>33287297

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>>33287324

Will they legalize rape since consent is a social construct too?

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>>33286322

yes if they keep that bullshit up, hopefully smartfags will resist and make it even more better and kick other races out..see what poland's youth is doing, pic very related

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>>33287411

beautiful blue eyes

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>>33287554

how much do i have to dump before people will join me, fuck

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>>33283113
Yeah... no, they still turn out too stupid to be anything more than a petty criminal most of the time.

Why can't a race raise its own kind without it going to shit?

>>33284304
>What's the alternative, killing them all? Placing them in quarantine?

You do realize how we evolved, right? It wasn't a magical process of harmony and pleasantness. Every specimen too unfit for the environment had to die, basically. That's why we have the intelligence we have. Be fucking thankful it happened. But now our duty is to artificially impose it, since natural selection is no longer taking place.

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>>33287612

/pol/ is only jidf and niggers i swear

>>33283775
Nationalistic swede here, i read every single one of these threads every day, only to never forget, never let my flame of vengeance be extinguished.. the viking is still alive..the next election during this fall will decide everything.

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>>33287666

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Next they're gonna say is that there's no gender

>>33281714
should read "we choose to believe"

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>>33287718

thank you brother, across the globe there are like minded people who support your cause.. we're not all supremacists, a lot of us are seperatists and only want to be proud of our heritage just like you, keep fighting the good fight.. here's some tits

>>33287666
You can't say that the reason for adopted kids low iq is the race. Look at what happens to the kids in the system. 7/10 foster kids are on psychotropic drugs. The food supply is probably worse and with the fluoride and lack of nutrients and care yes it drops

>>33287718
>the next election during this fall will decide everything

I'm a nationalistic Swede as well, but I don't think we have enough momentum to cause any great difference this election. The problems in the way the country is run right now aren't apparent enough for the majority of the public to pick up on and treat seriously. Sometimes I wish that suicide bomber in Stockholm would have succeeded in blowing anything else up but himself, since it would have led to people treating radical islam more seriously. Now it's treated like a fucking joke even though there was SUICIDE BOMBER in our CAPITAL CITY.

>>33281548
>student financial aid laws

>all race specific forms of government aid will be eliminated, leaving only the metric of income, as it should be
I see no problems with this. It may be for pants on head retarded reasons, but the outcome will be positive (and not at all what they expect)

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>>33287878

be careful what you say on the web, if you really care get in touch with your local outfit, i promise you can make a difference, but only if you really meant it..

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>>33288014

>>33287878
You are not alone in your mindset, what we need but also dont want is a large swedish memorial/historical building blown up by Random Raghead Rabbadoullh Abdul..but at the same time we dont want our preserved buildings damaged or destroyed.

>>33288014

I've thought about it, but I fear how my family and friends would view it, as well as future employers. Media constantly talks about immigrants are discriminated against in Sweden, but people supporting SD or anything beyond it are treated like social pariahs. Freedom of opinion as long as you share the opinion of what's politically correct.

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>>33288112

>>33283981

Pretty sure Sweden is completely fucked if they're to the point where SJWs run their government.

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>>33288163

i understand, and alienating yourself isn't the answer.. if you need to start slowly, do it like this anon on the internet- until you build up the confidence and community to have like minded people around you.. you don't have to be a hermit to be proud of who you are, I promise.. just learn to not use words that trigger people and don't be a fucking idiot and no one will like you any less for being proud

>>33288193

It's not really at that level yet, but we've got an extreme SJW party(Feministic Initiative) knocking at the doors of the Riksdag(Our parliament). They had good result in the EU elections so they have a good chance of surpassing the 4% mark required to enter the Riksdag.

>>33288308
>>33288191
>>33288112
>>33288014
there is nothing cool about following a facist gay dictator that committed war crimes and mass genocide

kill yourself faggot

>>33286819
altaica looks built as fuark in the neck area.

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>>33288319

=( so sorry to hear... please just don't give up, don't give in...

>>33288465

lol i'm not a nazi, did i imply that at any point? congrats on telling me to kill myself, what ya gonna do next call me a newfag? you're amazingly original, i'm sure everyone waits with baited breath for your next post

>>33281548
Welp. No surprise there.

>>33288517
Your stupidity is not even worth a creative insult.

im going to bed

>>33281548

SWEDEN,YES!

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>>33288474
>>33288465

and for the record, i don't support socialism of any kind, socialists are commie fags.. and i idolize/worship no person.. i'm just here to help other people know that being proud of your race isn't wrong because you're white..

Rather than saying people are different races, its more correct to say that blacks, whites, etc are all sub-species under the umbrella "human". There are different kinds of dogs out there, but you dont call each one a different species. Humans are retarded.

>>33288655
agreed. but unfortunately race is the power word everyone reacts to and makes the point quicker.. but you are not wrong for wanting to clarify the terminology.. my pic dump is done, everyone is faggots for not contributing an image

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>>33288753

one more for sweden, hope you guys can persevere

Sweden was lost long ago

>>33288787
Worst shop I have seen all day

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>>33288841

lol fair enough here's real one

>>33281771
a thousand times this. their hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance are staggering

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>>33289150

>>33281849
Why is he in the lava?
Fucking imcompetence.

>>33281636
It means it's fake, kind of like the Holocaust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki%27s_Wager
>Loki's Wager, a form of logical fallacy, is the unreasonable insistence that a concept cannot be defined, and therefore cannot be discussed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_fallacy
>The continuum fallacy is an informal fallacy closely related to the sorites paradox, or paradox of the heap. The fallacy causes one to erroneously reject a vague claim simply because it is not as precise as one would like it to be. Vagueness alone does not necessarily imply invalidity.

>The fallacy appears to demonstrate that two states or conditions cannot be considered distinct (or do not exist at all) because between them there exists a continuum of states.

>There are clearly reasonable and clearly unreasonable cases in which objects either belong or do not belong to a particular group of objects based on their properties. We are able to take them case by case and designate them as such even in the case of properties which may be vaguely defined. The existence of hard or controversial cases does not preclude our ability to designate members of particular kinds of groups.

>THE HEAP
>The fallacy can be described in the form of a conversation:

>Q: Does one grain of wheat form a heap?
>A: No.
>Q: If we add one, do two grains of wheat form a heap?
>A: No.
>Q: If we add one, do three grains of wheat form a heap?
>A: No.
>...
>Q: If we add one, do one hundred grains of wheat form a heap?
>A: No.
>Q: Therefore, no matter how many grains of wheat we add, we will never have a heap. Therefore, heaps don't exist!

>>33289202

Moar! I wanna fap to these.

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>>33281548
How Can Humans Be Racist If Race Isn't Real

>>33284807

without the hadza, it looks exactly like a brain

>>33287107

> the one guy snuggling up with the hamplanet

jesus christ

>>33281548
Sweden is leading the way, yay

>>33281636
It means white people and black people aren't actually white and black, they've secretly been the same color this whole time. You were just too racist to notice.

>>33281649
Black people have smaller brains than whites. That's a biological difference, so obviously, race does exist.

Libtard, pls go

Lol at people being so fucking blind because of their extreme political correctness that they don't dare to look at the world objectively.

There are races. Humans are different. Get. Over. It.

>>33282190
In the big muscle guy story he should have been offended and claimed he was a woman and she is oppressing him.
It's a sure fire way to get out of anything in sweden.

>>33281548
Do these morons not realize humans are aprt of the animal kingdom and within the animal kingdom we have many secular groups.

It would be like saying canines and humans are the same and calling them different is a social construct.

Every secular group of certain species have their own secular group within. Use canines for example. Working dogs, guard dogs, toy dogs. Within those groupings you even go more in-depth.

Working dogs: Rottweiler, Doberman pincher.

It's like we have reversed our mental evolution. Throwing away logical thinking for empathy thinking.

>>33291166
>Working dogs: Rottweiler, Doberman pincher.
Guard dogs*

>>33281769

Those are sub-species

We all all part of the same human species, homo sapiens sapiens

Fucking stormweenies can't get anything right

>>33291910
Word