there'll always be a bottom rung in society. i don't think it's right that they should have to worry so much about basic amenities when they are working full time. certainly a wage should cover housing and bills and basic shit with a little left over at a minimum in a western country.
The point is, if you offer them a living wage and they still don't make it work it becomes their own personal problem.
If you pay them 7/hr which is clearly and completely undeniably unrealistic to live off then you instantly become responsible for their government 'programs', and they inherently become democratic voters.
Why the fuck am I the only person that seems to comprehend this blatant reality.
if the dollar's real value had been keeping up with Fed-caused inflation minimum wage workers would be getting paid $20 an hour.
the poor and middle class got jewed hard by wall street banker jews, who can just call the Queen Jew at the Fed to have another trillion dollars printed and forked over to them for free whenever they want. Perpetual QE, in G_d We Trust!
Those jobs are meant to be entry level jobs that people work to either get a better job, put themselves through school, temporary job (non working spouse works for a while to get family through financial straits), work their way into management, babby's first job, etc. Its a job that is not meant to be lived on
But of course this is not a the real issue. The issue(s) are the fact that gas has been super high for too long, the stock market is continually fucking over the economy, the federal idiots cannot maintain a steady economy, muh civil rights and healthcare taking all of the energy away from issues like this, the price of food, lack of financial intelligence, student debt, I could go on Most of these people working at mcdicks have been shafted sure, but you cannot say that they didnt dig their own grave. Who knows? Maybe these people who will now receive double pay will use it to turn their lives around or maybe they will continue to be idiots asking for handouts.
>>33172661 Hey, don't forget the bloat of immigrants and outsourced labor driving wages right down. The irony is that most of the people lobbying for mo money should be volunteering to be sent back to Guatamala or Ghana.
The only way you can't make a living on $10 an hour is if you have like 5 kids and that would be your own fault for popping out that many little shits. Or if you live in like San Francisco and bitch about how high the rent is even though you could live somewhere more affordable.
And if you're not a dumb, lazy asshole you can work your way up the ladder. Hell, even going corporate McDonalds isn't that bad.
>>33169663 This!!!!! Our grandparents didnt worry about this bullshit, sure they liked to spoil themselves once in a while but not to the point of bankrupting themselves, and all for what? Living the neet life on and off for years has tought me how you dont need alot of things you think you do. The end
>>33168510 cheap fast food and wallyworld crap is subsidized by paying workers slave-tier wages. >b-but anon! why don't they just get better paying jobs! This is ignoring the fact that someone needs to do these jobs, so until we automate it all we're going to need to pay these people a reasonable wage. $15 sounds too high though.
I need government to tell me how much someone's labor is worth to me. Prospective employees are incapable of refusing any offer or negotiating for more. Government should just set all prices according to their political agendas.
>>33172783 Yes, we should abolish the minimum wage and allow workers to compete for who can work the cheapest. While we're at it, why not abolish sexual harassment laws so workers can leverage their willingness to be sexually exploited by their bosses? And how about abolishing those laws against slavery, so the poor can sell themselves into thralldom in exchange for a chance not to starve?
Because when I think about what's wrong with our system, the first thing that comes to mind is that we haven't done enough to allow the poor to debase themselves to the plutocracy in return for a slim chance at a subsistence living.
I'm all for the middle class getting more money, and I think this is one of the best ways to make it happen. Investing in the middle class leads to a happier, healthier society, produces better students, and raises the overall happiness of the nation.
>>33174055 Unless you want the US to look like Mexico then yes, you do.
The Irony here is that the fact that you do not understand that is also the exactly reason why you do in fact need the government to tell you that.
In 2012 40% of America made less then $20,000 year. That number is climbing every year, as is that poverty line.
Why? Because inflation is out of control and low wage earners have not seen their earnings have any correlation to reality.
To put it into laymen terms for you. Employers aren't paying their employees well enough.
Now you are going to try and say we should loose the minimum wage?
You are either retarded or you are 18 hoping removing the min wage will magically get you a raise hike.
The image I'm going to post should tell you everything you should need to know about the notion of low wage mentality for everyone. You should need no further input from me to understand this situation once sitting down and completely coming to understand IT.
>>33173238 >Those jobs are meant to be entry level jobs that people work to either get a better job, put themselves through school, temporary job (non working spouse works for a while to get family through financial straits), work their way into management, babby's first job, etc. The problem with that outlook is, it ignores the reality of today's service based economy. An average sized city only needs a select few plumbers, electricians, lawyers, etc, to function. It need exponentially more retail clerks, burger flippers, and janitors.
If you contend that those are entry level jobs that don't require a living wage, you're contending that a good 50% of the jobs that are actually, feasibly available don't deserve a living wage.
There is not enough demand for the "real jobs" to supply the labor market. There never will be.
>>33174723 >you're contending that a good 50% of the jobs that are actually, feasibly available don't deserve a living wage Yes that is what im saying. If a job does not provide enough energy to produce more for other people than for themselves it does not deserve a living wage. Flipping burgers is a delegated task that does not generate much value for the hundreds of thousands of burgers that person will supply to the people over their working term. Mowing lawns on the other hand is. Where as flipping burgers takes 2 seconds, mowing lawns takes hours, hours of which many many people are willing to pay to save themselves the hundreds of hours they themselves will be spending on other tasks. The burger flipper is much more payed to simply be there and ready to prepare food rather than the actual act itself. Which in my mind is a net loss for the value it provides to other people, hence the fact that these jobs do not require a living wage in my mind. They will have to find the money some where else.
>>33175318 >If you can't pay your workers a living wage in North America you have no business doing business here.
Take a look at what you just wrote. Who can't afford the "living wage"? Small businesses. Who can? Corporations. So you want to cut out all the small businesses and give the corporations less competition. This will only make things worse for muh oppressed lower class. You are a bigger corporate shill than most republicans and you don't even know it.
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