>>32995544 Seems like that's the CIA's forte. But I don't think they see it as failing. They are just trying to create havoc for the sake of destabilizing the region, not necessarily to place a pro-US leader in charge.
>>32995544 It's not hard to realize that the US' interventions in the area have guaranteed that, for at least a few decades more, nothing really changes in that region. Constant war will guarantee stagnation and the tying-up of assets and people.
It's a funny thing that, as much as the hate for the US keeps growing, mudslimes are finding an increasing number of reasons to kill each other instead of americans, don't you think?
>>32995848 The problem is with the region destabilized, there will be refugees. If all of this bullshit links back to the zionists, they are doing it to ship the living muslims out after killing everyone else.
>>32995037 >You let the USA execute Libya's best leader. >You did nothing, you didn't even take it seriously. >Libya is overrun with rebels and one man could have stopped them. God damnit apathy. We are destroying the world and we still wont do anything about it.
>Lets all give our countries away,the very same nations our RELIGIOUS forefathers built and bled for, to a bunch of international secularists devil worshipers who care only to rape it's wealth and enslave it's people for international bank/corporate exploitation.
>>32997256 >Hey guys we can put a country somewhere. >The choices are Berlin, New York or Jerusalem. >Lets put the country in Berlin! The Germans need to pay! >No, no, New York is where many Jews already live and its in the centre of the financial world! >Guys, guys. Oil. >Its settled then, Jerusalem it is.
>>32997400 You would miss him if you had been living there before his fall.
He built the country into something great. Evil from the outside came in and destroyed the country and it's peoples lives with widespread misery, suffering and death.
http://www.saidaonline.com/en/news.php?go=fullnews&newsid=20035 In the outskirts of this city, Libya's second largest, row after row of sand-colored concrete apartment blocks and villas are sprouting from the desert. Hundreds of kilometers away, construction cranes dot the Mediterranean skyline of the capital, Tripoli.
The multibillion dollar construction frenzy taking place is the latest and most visible sign of Libya's drive for growth. It's a push that largely ignored the global financial meltdown that left other oil-rich Arab nations stumbling over the last couple of years, and reflects how Libya is tapping its oil wealth to reshape a country isolated for years by sanctions and international disdain.
Libya is "really trying to become, for lack of a better term, a new Dubai." said Carlos Caceres, a representative of the Los Angeles-based engineering giant AECOM working in Benghazi. He was referring to the United Arab Emirate sheikdom whose stratospheric rise was rivaled only by its staggering debt woes.
AECOM is overseeing a $80 billion project to build 160,000 housing units throughout the country, about a quarter of which will be in Benghazi, and refurbishing sewage and paving roads there. Overall, however, Libya plans to spend $500 billion over the next decade on a host of projects.
New universities are being planned, Tripoli's shabby airport is being overhauled, new Toyota and Honda sedans abound in the streets and trendy cafes dot street corners.
Here comes some feels! http://www.globalresearch.ca/libyas-water-wars-and-gaddafis-great-man-made-river-project/5334868
>In July 2011, NATO not only bombed the Great Man-Made River water supply pipeline near Brega, but also destroyed the factory that produces the pipes to repair it, claiming in justification that it was used as “a military storage facility” and that “rockets were launched from there”. Six of the facility’s security guards were killed in the NATO attack, and the water supply for the 70% of the population who depend on the piped supply for personal use and for irrigation has been compromised with this damage to Libya’s vital infrastructure.
>The construction on the last two phases of the Great Man-Made River Project were scheduled to continue over the next two decades, but NATO’s war on Libya has thrown the project’s future – and the wellbeing of the Libyan people – into great jeopardy.
>TLDR We destroyed water wells. We destroyed the "Great Man Made River" It's all irradiated from depleted uranium. We are death....
>>32997785 >WW2 destroys Libya as a successful Italian colony (Some of the cities had up to 50% Italians living there, they were expelled after the war). >Libya destroyed again by European/American bombers and their leader executed dissolving them into a rebel infested nightmare. The middle east and north africa might be a little less shit if we stopped 'intervening'.
>>32997866 Perhaps it did have, I know little about Libya and what went on there during your "cold war"...but I suspect you're full of britbong bullshit...you filthy lying scheming spawn of a kike britbrong.
>>32997394 Why is this boadd filled with newfags recently, who are still stuck on bluepill "oil is the problem" level or are speaking like it would be the youtube comment section? At this pace xD mjght get a reasonable comeback on /pol/
>>32993296 >>32997974 I want to share Gadafi's green book. Its actually very well written, the only problem I have with it, is it doesn't go into detail on his form of government... Really its too vague, but it has alot of brilliant kernals of truth.
For people to be happy, they must be free, and to be free, they must possess the possibility of satisfying their own needs. Whoever possesses the means of fulfilling your needs controls or exploits you, and may enslave you despite any legislation to the contrary. The material needs of people that are basic and personal start with food, housing, clothing and transport and must be regarded as private and sacred and their satisfaction should not depend on hire.
To satisfy these material needs through rent, gives the original owner the right to interfere in your personal life and to control your imperative needs, even if the original owner be the soci- ety in general. The original owner can usurp your freedom and take away your happiness. The interference of the original owner may include repossessing your clothes, even leaving you naked on the street. Likewise, the owner of your means of transporta- tion may leave you stranded on the sidewalk, and the owner of your house may make you homeless. People’s imperative needs cannot be regulated by legal or administrative procedures. They must be fundamentally im- planted into the society in accordance with natural rules. The aim of the socialist society is the happiness of the human being, which cannot be attained except by the establishment of one’s material, and spiritual freedom. The achievement of free- dom depends on the private and sacred attainment of man’s needs. One’s needs should not be under the domination of oth- ers and should not be subject to plunder by any source in society, otherwise one will live in insecurity.
like, financial jewdom is horrible, bibi is horrible, israel's hardliner are horrible, most of the "ashkenazim jetset privileged caste" are horrible, sheltered, crazy and indoctrinated people (which isn't much different from the same type of creature created by mormons or new apostolic christians)
just saying, jews are just one of many heads to cut off the hydra
>>32998605 so horrible :E i watched a Vice documentary about those too
i mean, for fuck's sake the man isn't allowed to work, has to read retarded torah all day
is horrible in israel too, but imagine they'd all be like that israel would go boom within a few weeks
but like my ex was from new apostolic christians and even tho they're less retarded, they're still very retarded >3 times church a week >2 church quoires >constant traditional shit >most people have bullshit jobs with high income and much bullshit
there's also a funny video about an american going to the hasidics in israel
shit that video is horrible, i feel for the dudes trying to escape that sect Oo
shit like that isn't possible in most other parts of the world at least
where i live we just abolished "12 Tribes" which was christian mystic bullshit
Not really, the concept of guaranteed housing, cloths, food, transportation and communication allows you to freely choose to work. You decide that you want more and so you work out of free will. Ofc social status plays a role here but not everybody needs that. But everybody needs those basic needs fullfilled.
And once you not getting them you are a slave because you cannot chose not to work. And once the competition amoung us will be so high for the decreasing number of jobs due to the increasing machinisation you will get paid shitty wages because you have no power, no influence and no money. And you do not have the option to not run in the hamster wheel.
That is the point. In an utopian society everyone gets this basic needs guaranteed and some money to work with. That would put away so much strain of the average person and the work you do will be done with a lot more pleasure. Everything you do additionally is voluntarily, and still should be able to get rich.
I think such a society is possible if the superrich would share more of their wealth, but is practically impossible to make them do so.
>>32999230 >i'd like it if that privilege was equally shared Then you should be utterly enraged by what happened in Libya, because this is exactly what the Libyan people had before western interests stuck their greedy, lying snouts into the trough.
>>32999534 I dont agree with marx and i dont like communism. There must always be a way for the exceptional to shine and it isnt worng when they earn a lot more. It only becomes perverted when we reach a point where are entire lifes are based around running faster in the hamster wheel to have a somehow decent outlook in life.
The balance has shifted mainly due to the people losing more and more influence in the employer/employee powerscale.
Once the employers can dicate everything they make you run as fast as possible for the lowest amount possible. Which in the end will hurt themselves but that is a too abstract concept for them to grasp. Not in the sense of intellectual capability but egoism and shortterm goals + knowing that they wont achieve shit when others dont follow suit.
So you are basically left with a situation where we slowly lose all power and the wealth and influence will be gathered at the top. Then they basically hold total control over us.
You know, competition isnt bad, and it lies in our very own nature. It only becomes a problem when your whole life is running in a competition you have no way out.
So what did he advocate then? I never read what he said i just connected him with communism, i make up my own mind about such topics because i d like to think i have great insight in human motivation and the general "psyche".
he was just one of many of his time, schools of thought
1842 he wrote articles against communism for example
just imagine you have one of the brightest minds ever and he thinks about everything
like those people often do
then imagine he's just another of these people who get hated by everyone because they'd try to elaborate the western and eastern front in ukrainia while getting called evil words from both sides
or being constantly called feminist as well as misogynist
or antisemite and semite/schill
we all have great insight, but only with proper horizon we can have more
like you probably have to accept that in this case your horizon was very clouded by bias which you probably didn't contribute yourself to your horizon
there are so many philosophers who greatly criticized everything
the one thing he advocated about communism is "whenever humanity reaches a phase where theoretically ALL basic needs can be solved through automatizatio and streamlining, then it is a time for communism" i gravely misquoted him there because i cna't be arsed to look up what he actually wrote
he isn't the great father of communism
why? because he wrote against (dumb and biased) communism advocation
meaning communism had to be existant prior to his existance
like i also think I have a great insight
I speak 11 languages fluently enough to communicate, I've studied three times and I've read so many books I have an extra room for all my books.
Tho we all, always think that because narcicism and stuff is god given ^
anyway he was a democratic syndicalist and that's what he promoted for example, among a lot of other things
but it also was far from the only thing he could imagine or promoted
he was just such a smart mother fucker that it blows most other smart mother fuckers out of proportions
and that's all just possible because he read tons of books, travelled a lot, learned many languages and stuff
>>33000531 well what do you know about marxist communism? if in the far future, we're a set number of people and all basic needs are produced at a neglicible cost to society as a whole because everything is so modernized and 'perfect'
what is your reason for not liking to provide the basic needs of everyone?
because that is what it is about
there would still be jobs and workers would be heroes that would be privileged by work while everyone else just monkeys around and creates culture, art, technology? i mean this is what happens in places of leisure or with the privilege of it, see all history for reference
>>33000574 it would also automagically diminish a lot of criminal behaviour and other problems and society could try to live as a whole because there is enough time and little enough work so it can be shared among all the willing with everyone still having enough time for socialization and "species appropriate" living (long meals in community, communal learning, traditions, voluntary/honorary work for the communal/social)
there have been times when things like these happened and under certain predispositions these are part of social norms that will reemerge or reinforce themseles
this is true to some extent even among non humanoid species, mostly mammals from what i know tho
>>33000739 that's also all he was about, he concluded that it is very far in the future, if ever
that there will be war and that socialism is under NO circumstance the right approach to survive til communism for the sake of making it communism in a system that's initially flawed due to real world political and other limitations which in worst case would breed a situation where it becomes even less possible due to reasons
2. it doesn't need to have a root in psychology, modern psychology is very young if you didn't know that
and especially back then I wouldn't have wanted it to take a root in modern psychology, because back then modern psychology was utterly retarded, even if it was a step into some direction
if you say you have such great insight, this is also possible for everyone else, especially karl marx or whatever other person with similar function
it's okay that you'd rather want to do that
I don't know why you are telling me this tho
I never agreed, nor disagreed or wrote something that would in the least relate to such a statement?
the thing about transitions between states is, the more pressure, the more violently and abrupt it will happen
it could be like the prophecy from Amazon founder dude >http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html#.U9Oe__mSxPw
I don't care, I haven't put my opinion anywhere, tho it should be pretty obvious i'm not against a communist utopia, marx knew just as well that it's just an utopia
also about the ignorance thing, if you say no bias you deny that you were ever influenced by your culture
which i have a hard time to believe
for all it's worth
>I AM NOT thinking of a far distant future You asked me what Marx was about, I delivered for an esteemed person such as yourself, it confuses me that you can't follow this conversation well enough to discern what >deliverance is and what not.
Costs a lot of money to keep embassies and PMCs and consultants there. And with the oil and gas infrastructure being progressively looted and destroyed, the motivation diminishes. Empires are supposed to be about taking not giving.
You are talking about a distant future of our entire species that at one point has to change to that idea. That is like saying that the sun will run out of energy and we have to find a new planet.
That is some mental circlejerk that just isnt relevant at this day and time.
So when i was talking about "i dont like communism" i was rather refering to an application at this day and age. Which as you probably know never turned out good and will not turn out good in any distant future.
So i rather propose models that are realistic and applicable to change some peoples mind instead of a philopsphical circlejerk that leads to nowhere and just exists for that sake of arguing.
So you are basically in essencee saying: We either apply my perfect utopian model (which will not work outin this day and age)or we just do nothing.
>>33002479 About the execution of Gaddafi, that was carried out by my country, about the way we treat actual human beings for the sake of the capital and the Jews, about the fact that the destruction of Libya will lead to million of Sub-Saharan monkeys flowing into Europe.
And mainly about the fact that here politicians are still stroking their ego about Libya.
>>33003071 Half of us don't vote. They're the people parties like the FN or DLR have to conquer, sadly it's very complicated to get someone from a small village that, by pride, refuses any kind of state welfare to trust a politician.
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