>>32968771 I can assure you there are no records of hands being cut off for ball grabbing. No half sane judge would endorse that. There were not piles of hands stacked several feet high in Israel at every street corner.
No unsaved Jew, who remain under the old law to his day, do this practice. Honestly its a bad translation, the true 'punishment' or perhaps better termed 'purification' is having her pubic hair shaved. Similar to the purification of heathenism, to have ones hair cut off, and nails trimmed.
>>32970362 democracy was acaully used in the bible, before they decided to get a king. They where selecting a elder of a tribe and they would debate about legal and polictal actions, but not as a goverment, but for decisons regarding war or other emergancys
The bible is stupidity, gays shouldn't flaunt themselves and educate the masses with pro-gay propaganda, but by just standing next to a gay guy you wont turn gay, therefore there is nothing wrong with gays, only pro-gay education should be eradicated. Kill gay pride supporters, but allow gays freedom if they are isolate about their sexuality.
>>32971097 1John5:18 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death.
>>32971158 not talk back but, hit the parents or are rebellious against the parents and Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV / 59 helpful votes
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
>>32971119 That's what already happened. Society decided that they should be left to their own devices, privately in their homes. Unfourtanely whether by their own collective will, or guided by the trifecta of evil, ends up their own devices involve influencing society as a whole... This is the result you see today.
>>32971756 The lack of action in cases where gays are advertising pro-gay principles is the cause of them influencing society. If people were taught to leave them isolated then we and gays would get along fine. People are just stupid and egotistical.
>>32971790 What if I want to work on the sabbath and take the next day off? Poor ambulance drivers, firemen, police, doctors, nurses, etc etc. Sad to see them publicly executed by a howling mob wielding fucking bricks.
>>32971908 Sounds like kung-fu to me. If someone slaps you, let them. Then show them their might to how you withstood the slap. I wonder if Jesus had another step. "When they hurt you, defend yourself"? >>32971888 wut?
God makes no sense, it's an abstract noun that refers to nothing observable, but something of which can be imagined, like Love. There is no direct definition to it, it's purely experience based. When people use God scientifically, they are doing pseudo-science, since it's with things which aren't observable, it's not understanding our reality, but instead, it's own fictional reality. God is not there, otherwise it would prevail over everything, especially if it was a man, man's imagination is evil, and ultimately we could observe or experiment with it. You're convinced by the first lie "God", by sanctifying your weakness of "I can't prove it", when there are things out there that can be proved and tell greater stories about life, plus, act as more pressing issues than God-belief (i.e. we wouldn't be worse off if no-one believed in God, we would still survive). Damn you wackos need to snap back into reality.
>>32968378 Faggots should be ostracized from society.
In the same way that if I broadcasted to everyone, (through my speech, actions, and attire) that I am just all about sticking sticking my dick into soiled nursing home diapers, people would try to avoid me. No one would support me and say "Wow, anon, you are so courageous for letting everyone know you like to stick your dick into shit. Such an inspiration to us all"
>And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”
Mark 3:1-5 ESV
>Again he entered the synagogue, and a man was there with a withered hand. And they watched Jesus, to see whether he would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse him. And he said to the man with the withered hand, “Come here.” And he said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to kill?” But they were silent. And he looked around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, and said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was restored.
>>32972584 What is that telling us bar principles of a fictional reality? It works, you can write plays and make movies, but it's all creativity. It's not what rational people would adopt. There are more pressing issues----what are you doing to address them? Faggot.
>>32972274 you have to see, is that what jesus was talking about is not a thought he invented but he took it from the old tesatment. It/he was talking about, if a person wants something from you leave it to him, but its not talking about if the person is using iligel ways, like stealing. >If someone slaps you, let them. Then show them their might to how you withstood the slap is a figure of speach
>>32972274 >wut? there are people saying jesus did away with the law, we dont have to keep it. There is also the church line that says that only the laws that are mentioned in the new testament are still valid the other are done away with. by this logic bestiallity, childsacrefice, and other abominations are legal, because the new testament does not repeat it
>>32973422 only the cathlic say that the bread and wine becomes the real blood and flesh while comunion People that know what the kiddish is, know that the bread and wine are part of the tradionally breaking of bread and drinking of wine on every event where you drink wine or eat bread and on sabbaths Its just a symbole
>>32973646 nope he is not taking it out of context >are the prophets part of the 10 comandments >the law is not just the 10 comandments, they just represent the whole law Christians take it out of context and corrupt it so that they can do their paganism tradiions
>>32973572 where is it illegal? >in the US its legal in most countrys its legal just in some wimpy states like Germany they are illegal > and I give a fuck about the law of the land if its interfering with my house and family. They dont have the authority to do that. families
>>32973797 No, read the whole chapter not just the vers, I will even give it to you so you dont have to look for it
Matthew 5 17 “Do not THINK that I have come to abolish the LAW or the PROPHETS; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth DISSAPEAR, not the SMALLEST letter, not the LEAST stroke of a pen, will by any means DISSAPEAR from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside ONE of the LEAST of these COMANDMENTS and TEACHES others accordingly will be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever PRACTICES and TEACHES these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness SURPASSES that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly NOT ENTER the kingdom of heaven.
10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to regard as unclean. 11 And since you are to regard them as unclean, you must not eat their meat; you must regard their carcasses as unclean.
>>32973646 >>32973900 Don't forget the prophets is the Nevi'im, the second part of the Tanakh - the jewish bible. Jesus literally says in this passage that 2/3 of the old testament MUST be obeyed to the letter or you will NOT go to heaven. In other words, only those who follow kosher law will go to heaven.
>Christstains >Knowing their own religion The day a christian knows what his own fucking religion says and commands is the day I eat a turd in public.
>>32974266 yeah you do, I see you plenty, you attack Christianity on things like our backward beliefs when we actually ignore leveticus and numbers and dont practice that stuff, yet Islam and backwards practices (not writing but actual practices like stoning and executions) in other religions seems to get a free pass from the fedora crowd
>>32974361 Dude, the only reason christfailures are deemed "acceptable" is specifically because the vast majority of you are fucking apostates. At least muslims actually are genuine with their religion. You're literally admitting that your own religion is so shitty that even its own adherents would rather not follow its barbaric commands.
>>32974419 Im not familiar with actual African stonings of homosexuals based on Christian beliefs, there is the Uganda law but that was protested against by Christian groups and its certainly not on the same scale as with other religions
>>32974448 no there are reasons why we dont follow those texts, you will find them if you read Romans or research new covenant vs old covenant beleifs in Christianity. But your statement reveals what I said, and admits to it, atheists prefer Islam and more radical relgions, which you just admitted to
>For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea. For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved—so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them at last!
>>32974572 >no there are reasons why we dont follow those texts, you will find them if you read Romans So in other words, Saul the kike, beats Jesus the kike? Cause Jesus is EXTREMELY clear about obeying kosher law as laid out in this very thread. I mean, he's god, and Saul is just a converted kike, so who takes supremacy here?
>But your statement reveals what I said, and admits to it, atheists prefer Islam and more radical relgions, which you just admitted to 1: I'm not even an atheist, and 2: Oh hooneey, I never admitted to "liking" islam. All jewish religion is a god damned plague, but at least the muslims actually aren't full of shit like the hypocrite christstains. They actually practice what they preach, whereas most christidiots don't even KNOW what the bible preaches.
>>32974495 if you think the Old testament is barbaric bullshit, then the new testament will be woth noting to you, especally Paul is constanty quoting the OT, but those not familiar with the OT will not even recognise it
>>32974544 oh really, you know how many people belive in that shitty story of evolution, that story has more holes then the moon has crators. I was acutally fact checking on evolution to see if they are valid All the people that actually work on the theorie of evolution see it as a religon and try to hide and "bad talk" every evidence aginst it. Most people that just take the scientists word and belive in the theorie of evolution are just sheeple as the other religous people
>>32974785 >Cause Jesus is EXTREMELY clear about obeying kosher law
no hes not, you just mis-respresenting him and pulling his words out of context just read right after matthew 5:17 to verse 21 of the same chapter
e have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you . . .
he goes on like that, bringing up various parts of the old testament and then giving new commandments, when he says these commandments, hes talking about his commandments, not the old testament. Hes saying the law of the prophets hand on love and sincere belief, not on a set of laws. Jesus was very clear about this throughout his teachings.
also, as to you never said you were an atheist, tell us what your relgiion is, let us compare
>>32975032 >no hes not You've already been shown in this thread. Yes, he fucking his. He says VERY CLEARLY that NOT ONE alteration is to be made nor ANY deviation from EITHER the Torah (Law) OR the Nevi'im (Prophets) - that's every old testament book from Genesis through Malachi. I honestly don't know how to make this any more clear than to quote Jesus AGAIN:
>17 Think NOT that I am come to DESTROY the LAW (Torah), or the PROPHETS (Nevi'im): I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFILL. >18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS AWAY FROM THE LAW (Torah, again), till all be fulfilled. >19 Whosoever therefore shall break ONE of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. >20 For I say unto you, That EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES (Who Jesus was SPECIFICALLY mad at for NOT BEING GENUINE JEWS: I.E. NOT following the jewish religious laws, but only PRETENDING TO), YE SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
I am really not sure how much clearer that can get. And once, again, when you dumb /pol/-tier christidiots quote Jesus and other biblical christians hating on the jews, you need to ask the question "Why were they mad at the jews?" The answer, inevitably, is THEY WEREN'T BEING JEWISH ENOUGH. FACT. Go ask ANY biblical scholar about this. Hell, just read the damned bible for yourself. It's not unclear.
>he goes on like that... No, that is NOT what Jesus says AT FUCKING ALL. He says that NOT ONLY are you to follow the jewish religious laws, but you're to GO FURTHER. THAT is what he ACTUALLY says.
>>32975148 sure all has been fullfiled, what about >the anihilation of the enemys of Israel >Messiah entering Jerusalm as victorius king and reigning all of the world >The Milenium Kingdom >..... yes jesus did all those things on the cross and not to forget that heaven and earth disapeared while he was on the cross
>>32975480 nice that you stopped before verse 21, where he replaces parts of the old testament with new rules. also, still not answering my quesiton about what relgion you are, lets see, hates Jews, hates Christians glorifies the violence in Islam. . . I wonder.
does all mean the rapture or all mean dying on the cross, prove to me that all means the end of the world, because your interpretation of the statment would make the statement kinda pointless, - he said until all has been fulfilled not - until the end of time
>>32975639 all of the prophets? what else should be fullfiled even the crucivition is part of the prophets look it up Isiah63
Malechi 4 last chapter in the OT 4 [a]“Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays. And you will go out and frolic like well-fed calves. 3 Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty.
4 “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.
5 “See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.”
>>32975544 This. Read your fucking bible you retard christians. Holy shit, how can someone argue at such length over their own beliefs and no FUCKALL about them? I have found that only christians do this. Buddhists know what they believe and why. So do muslims, jews, shintoists, good lord, everyone EXCEPT christians. How is this even possible?
Christianity: the religion of super-delusion.
>>32975639 >nice that you stopped before verse 21, where he replaces parts of the old testament with new rules. also, still not answering my quesiton about what relgion you are, lets see, hates Jews, hates Christians glorifies the violence in Islam. . . I wonder. >Hurr only jewish religion exists. You may be surprised by this fact, but there are a hell of a lot more religious options than derka 1, derka 2 and derka 3. What I am isn't at issue here. Your lack of undestanding your own religion is. And I clearly already DID answer your idiotic "issue" which isn't anything of the sort. Jesus doesn't repeal ONE law from the old testament. NOT FUCKING ONE. In fact, he only makes them MORE EXTREME, by saying shit like if you feel murder you've already committed it. That's not "wiping away the old covenant". That's doing PRECISELY WHAT JESUS FUCKING CHRIST HIMSELF SAYS HE'S DOING AS HE'S FUCKING DOING IT.
>Christians >Reading comprehension Choose your retarded destiny, you trisomic bastard.
Stop fucking being so stupid. The bible doesn't even experiment or write up observations of good in nature. You know nothing about being "good" on a fundamental level. All you know it advice from a particular book, but no direct answer; when you preach like you know God, you don't really know anything, you just say you do. Fuck you all.
>>32975639 >prove to me that all means the end of the world Oh, also, this:
>18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. >TIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS Is the sky and the land destroyed yet? Nope, I'm pretty sure the planet is still here. Holy shit, the retard levels in this thread are reaching critical mass.
>>32968378 >muh bible says so no. rabbis from the old testament said so. God said they won't get into Heaven but He did not say to kill them. unless we are given orders by God to kill gays it's still a sin to murder them.
>>32975870 So are you claiming that the muslims don't practice what they preach? Because that is the beginning and end, the entirety of my claim. Nothing more. So, what is it? Cause christians certainly don't.
>>32975548 Hey Faggot where are you why dont you try to justefy your belives >>32975661 cant you belive that 100% is Jewish? but Yes it is, and guess what I can give you 20pages of pdf proving in the new tesament that Paul, James and JOHN keept the law long after the death of Jesus
Chirsianity, exept the Roman-pagan-abomination, are 1000000000000% Jewish
all has been fulfiled means death on the cross, if all has been fulfiled meant rapture and the end of the world theres no point even talking about it because there is no sense in talking about what happens after the end of the World - he might as well have said, until the end of the world, which he didnt
>>32975815 did you answer my idotic quesiton - what relgion are you, why are you hiding Mudslime
also here is verse 21 to 28 where Jesus goes one by one rewriting the old testmaent, so youre a liar
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
>>32975929 "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) The bible is pretty clear that homosexuals are to be killed, actually. But it also says a lot of other fucked up shit also, so it really doesn't matter. Leviticus is jewish kosher law. Now whether that comes from "god" or not is kind of a pointless question, since there's little doubt that no actual god commanded anyone write any of this shit in the first place.
>>32976150 according to jewish history, including religious, the judaic laws were created by the rabbis of old. they created these laws to create a unique jewish culture. this is why Jesus said that people didn't have to follow them.
>>32976137 >Hey Faggot where are you why dont you try to justefy your belives I don't have to justify my beliefs to you. They're not on trial here. /pol/-tier christinsanity is. Also, they're not retarded and hypocritical. Being honest, having compassion, defending order, removing chaos. These are my beliefs and I hold to them the best I'm able.
>if all has been fulfiled meant rapture and the end of the world theres no point even talking about it because there is no sense in talking about what happens after the end of the World EXACTLY. You are so fucking close to almost understanding this that it's painful to watch. The only reason you can't register it is cause "hurr jews bad so I can't be one", which you ABSOLUTELY ARE, religiously at least. In other words, Jesus is linking jewish law TO EXISTENCE ITSELF. He's saying it's ETERNAL. You're not free of it until the WORLD FUCKING ENDS. >he might as well have said, until the end of the world, which he didnt Yes, you enormous retard, that is EXACTLY what he says: >TIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS What is so difficult to grasp about this? He literally says until the sky and earth NO LONGER FUCKING EXIST YOU HAVE TO OBEY JEWISH LAW. It says it basically those EXACT WORDS EVEN. And you idiots still "aren't getting it". Actually, you are. You're all just fighting with cognitive dissonance, because it's painful to you to admit you're jews.
>did you answer my idotic quesiton - what relgion are you, why are you hiding Mudslime I AM NOT A FUCKING MUSLIM, NOR DO I BELONG TO ANY OF THE JEWISH RELIGIONS WHICH INCLUDE JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM. Now don't ask the same fucking question again, you monumental idiot.
It's like I'm really in special ed.
>also here is verse 21 to 28 where Jesus goes one by one rewriting the old testmaent, so youre a liar He's NOT "re-writing" it, you colossal retard, he's EXPANDING UPON IT. He's making it MORE STRICT. Why can't you grasp this?
>>32976147 dont see why that should be rewriting >fist he sayed you have heard, wait why did he not say you have READ? > Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time? But Moses wrote down the law and not the people old of time, they are the sages the Jews/Rabbis/pharasees talk about (look into the talmud) what Jesus is talking about is not the Old testament he is talking about the sayings and tradions of people. > Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: please tell me where is that in the BIble? its a saying not law
JESUS IS REINFOCING THE LAW, he even brings it to the next level, in no way did he rewrite anything
>>32976276 I don't even know what you're arguing at this point. You seem to be basically agreeing with me, but I think you're too retarded to realize it.
You don't need to do special olympics acrobatics to grasp this. It's all very literal and very easy to understand. Holy shit, I would feel sorry for Jesus if there were idiots in the crowd like you when he was giving this sermon. >But if the sky is air, how can it be blue also? See, you're wrong. I'm right! >le crucified rabbi facepalm
>according to jewish history, including religious, the judaic laws were created by the rabbis of old. they created these laws to create a unique jewish culture. That's splitting hairs. Arguing whether or not religious law actually comes from the god the people who made the religious law worship is sort of pointless, since that god probably isn't real anyway and even if it was it's highly doubtful he was against it. The entire argument is pointless. There's also a lot of crossover between Exodus and Leviticus like when it comes to sacrificial code, so again, it's pointless to even worry about it.
>this is why Jesus said that people didn't have to follow them. CTRL+F: Torah. You do it. I'm not repeating this again. Jesus said nothing of the sort. He said very specifically the complete opposite.
>>32976874 nope, it just says you shall not kill no mentioning of : >and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: why God said who kills should be executted and not in danger of jugement
That was my point the Rabbis/sages of old where changing the laws
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; > and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: (saying of the sages)
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in >danger of the judgment: (Jesus sayed that not killing is making you in danger of Jugement but being angry. Killing is deathseantence not jugement) and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Also, for those who were saying that kosher law didn't come from "god", this is how Leviticus actually begins:
>1Then the LORD called to Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying, 2“Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘When any man of you brings an offering to the LORD, you shall bring your offering of animals from the herd or the flock. Etc.
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