Attention Brit/pol/ Friendly reminder you can make your voice heard today at the National Demonstration for Gaza. Starts at noon. UKIP supporters especially, why not stand united against Zionism on this fine Saturday?
>>32619698 ...hmm orthodox Jews are despised in a "Jewish" state for being against its founding... It's almost as if Israel is comprised of ethnic European tribalists who use Judaism as a mask and justification for racism and fascist genocidal ways?
>>32619998 Hey I hate them just the same as you do, but there is a distinction. Hasidic Jews are 100x worse than your regular Jew. They deserve to be at the front of the column leading towards the ovens.
1. The casualty toll is the best indicator of the misery inflicted Palestinian casualties always far outnumber Israeli casualties. While all deaths in such conflicts are tragic, the Palestinian casualties are always tens or hundreds of times greater than the Israeli toll. In the 2008/2009 conflict, 1387 Palestinians died, vs. nine Israelis. In the current conflict, an estimated 213 Palestinians have died, vs. one Israeli.
2. Militarily speaking, the conflict is grossly asymmetrical The media coverage rarely reflects the military reality of the conflict. Israel is a military superpower, with F-15 fighter jets, AH-64 Apache helicopters, sophisticated missiles, an anti-rocket defence system (and nuclear arms.) Hamas and other militant groups have primitive and ineffective -- often "home made" -- rockets. Not a single Israeli fatality has resulted so far from the hundreds of rockets fired from Gaza since the recent spate of violence began.
3. All violence directed against civilians violates international law Firing rockets from Gaza violates international law, as they may well hit civilians rather than military targets. But the repeated Israeli strikes on Palestinian homes, apartments, cafés and other civilian targets violate international law too. This, regardless of whether Israel fired "warning" shots, or phoned warnings to the inhabitants. While all such reckless acts should be equally condemned, the Canadian government has only seen fit to speak against the rockets from Gaza.
4. Israel unlawfully ignores the concept of proportionality as it responds to Gaza rockets International law permits countries to respond militarily to threats, but such responses must be proportional to the threat faced. If none of the rockets shot from Gaza have hit their targets, or caused fatalities, the legality of Israel's brutal response is highly questionable.
5. The Israeli assault on Gaza only deepens the "collective punishment" imposed by Israel since 2007 Under international law, it is unlawful to punish an entire community for the crimes of a few. Nevertheless, Israel has imposed a blockade on Gaza since 2007, effectively punishing 1.5 million civilians in Gaza simply because Israel rejects the Hamas administration in Gaza. The latest Israeli military strikes only deepen this punishment.
6. The rocket attacks from Gaza are a desperate act by a people without hope Unfortunately, the rockets shot from Gaza simply give Israel a questionable excuse to pound Gaza yet again. According to polls, most people in Gaza do not believe rockets are effective against Israel. Nevertheless, there is no broad outcry against them, as many view them as a symbol of resistance, albeit futile. The best way to minimize the influence of extremist Palestinian groups would be to give Palestinians real hope for their future.
7. Under the UN, warring parties are not supposed to "fight it out" The UN Charter reserves the use of force to Security Council members. When local conflicts arise, UN leaders -- including Canada -- are supposed to immediately intervene to stop the conflict, and prevent loss of life. Canada has not yet called for any cessation of hostilities. In fact, the Harper government abandons all principles as it declares blind support for Israel.
8. Israel's extreme belligerency towards Gaza may be linked to other factors The current surge in violence is occurring in a broader political context. Some believe that Israel is pursuing violence to derail the Fatah-Hamas Palestinian unity government. Others believe it is a continuation of the assault on Hamas institutions which began in recent weeks in the West Bank. Still others believe that Israel's actions may be related to a wish to control of natural gas supplies in Gaza.
>>32620302 No, it would be fair if less Palestinians were killed. Quit projecting.
Israel has the technology and forces to launch more pinpoint attacks, and if they're unable to make a pinpoint missile strike without killing civilians you either send a ground force in or don't bomb it.
>ignoring the fact that Hamas is an authoritative organization >ignoring the fact that Hamas has repeatedly called out for use of suicide bombings aimed at civilians >ignoring the fact that Hamas has repeatedly violated human rights because of their Islamic orientation in their legislative >ignoring the fact that they shoot rockets regardless of consequences >inb4 anyone can send rockets in Gaza not just Hamas >ignoring the fact that Hamas glorifies anyone who attacks Israel >ignoring the fact that Hamas is actively using propaganda (check their TV) >ignoring the fact that Hamas went into an open conflict with their opposition to gain control >ignoring the fact that the rockets sent by Hamas target Israeli indiscriminately >inb4 nuh demeg dun >implying those are peace rockets >ignoring the fact that Hamas uses its smuggling tunnels to smuggle weapons >ignoring the fact that Hamas receives support of other anti-democratic organizations >inb4 u just support isrel u fokin kike, u ignor other sid >implying criticizing one side automatically means support of the other side >implying I don't write it here just because the whole thread is mainly aimed to demonize Israel >implying there is a good and a bad side
>>32620244 >But the repeated Israeli strikes on Palestinian homes, apartments, cafés and other civilian targets violate international law too.
Thats all well and good when military targets are off in the asshole of nowhere but they're keeping their launchers in built up areas, theyre hiding missiles in UN schools and under peoples houses. They know the game, they have built things this way so the jews are forced to attack homes etc just to get to the real targets.
Personally, fuck this whole thing, israel can do what it likes, hamas can do what it likes, let them fight it out. The sandniggers will only accept the genocide of the jews as an end goal so pissing around wanting peace or anything else is a non starter.
>Israel unlawfully ignores the concept of proportionality as it responds to Gaza rockets This is the real issue libs have, they want 1 jew dead for each dead sandnigger. They want israel to fight with a hand tied behind its back just as us in the west fought in iraq and afghanistan with a hand tied.
Geneva convention, UN and all these other liberal ideals are concocted by people who have no concept of war. Theyre written from the stance of the bleeding heart to give an advantage or means of recourse for the underdog who without these laws and institutions would have to think long and hard before poking a bear.
>>32620397 >dividing and conquering tactic Regardless, UKIP pledged to streamline the Ministry of Defence and to oppose foreign military intervention and military aid. This was a pledge that supporters of the party generally all agree on
>>32613281 >On kikebook >brothers friend is typical retarded tumblr feminist leftist >unsurprisingly is fat and ugly >Posted a notice like OPs pic >"I'm attending this and I want as many people to attend. If you have a free day come along. Maybe even try to get the day off" >Hates Israel >Couple of posts later >Bragging about buying an Xbone >Doesnt realise kinect was made by an Israeli defence company >mfw
This will end with Israel conquering all of Palestine and then getting buttfucked by the rest of the muslims, the world not giving two shits due to their extreme cruelty and lack of empathy massacring an innofensive country for decades
>>32620711 >1. The casualty toll is the best indicator of the misery inflicted >Palestinian casualties always far outnumber Israeli casualties. While all deaths in such conflicts are tragic, the Palestinian casualties are always tens or hundreds of times greater than the Israeli toll. In the 2008/2009 conflict, 1387 Palestinians died, vs. nine Israelis. In the current conflict, an estimated 213 Palestinians have died, vs. one Israeli.
You're missing the point. When has Israel stooped to such savageries as deliberately attacking civillians to get their way? show me a case where jews were so unanimously on board with this notion. Israel didn't become a civilized country by squandering their foreign aid on ak 47s and bottle rockets and chanting allahuackbar in the streets like fucking monkeys.
>>32620766 >Gaza suffered the most >therefore Israel is to blame
>>32620856 >When has Israel stooped to such savageries as deliberately attacking civillians to get their way? show me a case where jews were so unanimously on board with this notion How about right now?
>>32619372 I'm french and I support Israel as well. I love those sandniggers tears we're drinking in France. Seeing those arabs crying and calling France to intervene is secretly making me want to see the war continue, so they really can understand how inferiors. They fucking shit on France everyday, and as soon as they need something they cry for our help! FUCK THEM!
>>32620856 >Gazans murdered by the hundreds by Israeli airstrikes >Israel is not to blame
hehehe daz right goys, the Hamas deed it! Israel had no choice but to bomb civilian population centers against international law to avenge the death of 3 teenagers they can't even prove were murdered by Hamas in the first place!
a word that only bleeding heart liberal slugs would use to describe a soldier's work. Murder is premeditated and case specific, what's happening in Gaza is killing.
ALL of the suffering in Gaza can simply be attributed to the militant Islamofascist government there. They WANT to die, they jerk off to dead baby pics just like you enlightened westerners. That's why they have no qualms about stashing rockets in civilian houses and schools. There is fucking proof of this by the way.
>but they're just firing rockets at them, they din do nuffing
who would you support more? those who fail to kill civilians but intended to do so or those who succeed it by accident?
>>32621117 hehehhe the palestinians like being killed! remember to cheer on the big strong idf as they keep you safe from all those women and children! don't feel bad for them goyim. but remember to weep for all the poor jews who weren't killed by hamas rockets.
>>32620430 >This is the real issue libs have, they want 1 jew dead for each dead sandnigger
No, you fucking spastic kike shit. The point to take from this is that, while self-defence is permissible, what is happening now has gone far beyond that and can be seen as nothing other than a genocide.
Someone pokes you, you can poke them back and tell them to fuck off. Maybe push them a bit.
Shooting them multiple times, sawing the head off and setting fire to the corpse is not a proportional response.
But then again I've fallen into the trap of arguing with a kike and expecting them to respond like a human. 7/10 for making me respond.
Just remember /pol/, in an ideal alternate universe the holocaust actually happened.
>>32613281 >protesting at the israeli embassy asking them to be nice They don't give a fuck what you think. In fact, it's better for them to have your impotent rage pointed at their embassy than your politicians.
You've just been stabbed by 10 people in wheelchairs. You've spent billions on trying to stop knife wielding wheelchair users from knifing you and limit the amount of blood that gets on your new clothes. You've warned the wheelchair users and they know the score.
They proceed to knife you, you punch them in the shoulder and tell them to stop. They knife you again when your back is turned. Gloves are off, they had their opportunity to fuck off.
They face the consequences. International law just gives them something to hide behind when they get their gimpy ass kicked.
>>32621071 >Move follows violence at protests in Paris last weekend >Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said there was a 'threat to public order' >Thousands across France were set to march again this weekend >Anyone who breaks the ban faces a year in prison and a 15,000 euro fine. >If they hide their faces the sentence can be increased to three years jail, and a 45,000 euro fine
What was that quote about the people that rule and the people you can't criticize again?
>>32613281 Judeland Uber Alles! The death camps are all those bombed-out homes with human bodies crushed beneath them. The ovens are usually white-phosphorous "tracer" rounds fired into a group of civilians.
>>32620003 So if the PIRA started fucking your shit up again and terrorizing your citizens, it'd be alright so long as there was a small number of deaths? You'd be nice and pacifist? And death with a few kidnappings of teenagers that you found shot in the head?
Juden, please, there is absolutely no historical evidence that corroborates the fantasy that there were ever kingdoms by the name of Judah and Israel in the area.
>>32623520 Because soon your children will be shipped out to defend le chosen. Even if Islam were a domesticated kike Semitic religion, like Christianity, the peoples of the Middle East would still fight the West for the countless times the West has hurt them in the name of profit and the Jew.
More young people will ship off and be killed for kike, banker and corporate agendas.
And decent American and European families will call into neo-con radio shows and declare "God Bless Israel" while their children are being maimed or killed. It's sickening what people put up with.
>>32623654 Israel seem to be curb stomping the brown menace fairly well right now. Why would they want me, an alcoholic neckbeard to go and fight them too?
While I don't like Israel, I think some people here are just using Gaza as an excuse to attack Israel, like feminists use blacks and gays to attack white men. Sure you hate them, but do you *really* care they're bombing shitskins?
Turkish citizens are protesting and are against Israel, even throwing stones at the Israel embassies in Turkey which forced Israel to withdraw their staff to a bare minimum. German citizens are protesting in Berlin and are against Israel Even fucking Israel citizens are protesting in their own cities saying that Israel is going too far
But USA? Nope, still slurping up that Jewish semen!
>>32624148 its called freedom of speach. the fact that some nutjobs left wingers and the obvious muslim minority is on the pali side is ok. let them air their opinions. you cant force people to be silly tho.
>>32624875 the "Arab Organization for Human Rights" is butt devestated about some 100 dual nationality brits serving in the IDF, says the governmental iranian source. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/19/371937/israel-recruits-britons-to-join-gaza-war/
>>32620244 >Firing rockets from Gaza violates international law, as they may well hit civilians rather than military targets >rockets from Gaza >military targets
Nigga are you trolling? If not you are delusional.
They aint shooting that shit at army bases. They don't even pretend that. They are shooting randomly into civilian areas so they can hit CIVILIANS, the more the better. Hitting a school or an orphanage or something would cause the biggest celebration in Gaza since 9/11.
>>32625818 >I am empowering myself by hiding under a blanket as to not upset my husband >I am empowering myself by making myself an object that my husband owns and letting him deciding everything for me >I am empowering myself by being lashed if I show an ankle
>>32620658 >Be a respectable black male >Have dwelling stolen and occupied by smelly people with silly hats that dont fit their heads >Attack them to try to get them to leave >get shot at >ayyy lmao police brutality nigga help help raycis!
The obsession comes from how much damn money Israel pilfers from western countries.
Wouldn't talk shit about Israel if they didn't whine to demand 500 billion dollars of taxpayer dollars every year because REMEMBER MUH HOLOCAUST so they can use it to spy on me, sell my shit to my enemies, burn women and children and bulldoze their villages to make "elbow room" for themselves and in general be shamelessly hateable douchebags that preach about how oi vey goyim you're not multi-diverse enough! oops excuse me I must go sterilize a nigger I just saw walking down the street.
>>32634229 "Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Genocide entails also the Conspiracy to commit genocide; Direct and public incitement to commit genocide; Attempt to commit genocide; and Complicity in genocide."
>>32613281 Britbong here. Hopping on a plane to Jordan next week to support and join Hamas. We're bringing in fresh new weapons and artillery to kill as many Jewish civilians (especially children) as possible. Can't fucking wait
>>32619372 I'm English and I used to support Israel 100%. Then I woke up and realised that they are utterly excessive and overkill. I knew they were going to react like this when those three kids were killed. It's great to love the people in your country but using the full force of your military might to target bombs at children playing on a beach, or children feeding pigeons on a roof, or all the countless other atrocies they commit, is frankly not the behaviour of even a civilised country, let alone one that our poxy government should keep excusing and funding.
And I actually happen to like Muslims and have never had a problem with them in this country, but that is all the same entirely irrelevant to the fact that Israel are fucking out of control bullies and as such, I will not support them. It's not being 'trendy', it's called being a decent human being.
>People shouldn't get loans for university, people should have to pay for their courses themselves. >18 year olds do not deserve benefits, the only money they should get is through a job. They shouldn't get ANY benefits, even out of work.
>troll >fight >1000's at protests good luck lol i remember there was some homos in a corner protesting against the Palestinians you can join them you might get a chance to have some fun with them a bit later in the day.
>>32625512 all they are trying to cause is some damage to Israel. Israel bombed a UN bomb shelter in lebanon twice creating huge massacres. They also used white phosphorus in one of the most densely populated place on earth Palestine. >human shield >israel minimize civilian casualties
>>32634387 >We're bringing in fresh new weapons and artillery to kill as many Jewish civilians (especially children) as possible. Isn't that the current Hamas strategy that doesn't seem to be working out?
>>32620430 >Thats all well and good when military targets are off in the asshole of nowhere but they're keeping their launchers in built up areas, theyre hiding missiles in UN schools and under peoples houses. They know the game, they have built things this way so the jews are forced to attack homes etc just to get to the real targets.
You force them into tiny ghettos where they are living like sardines in a can. Then you complain that their military units are in the same place as civilians.
If you forced them all into densly packed ghettos, where are their military and police units supposed to go?
>>32638646 Listen Abdul, I'm sure in your little bubble in East London, you and your fellow mosque goers in your islamic community have convinced yourselves and deluded yourselves onto thinking the British actually give a single fuck about Palestine, but nobody outside of shit left wing bands like coldplay and muzzie lover liberals like Vince Cable ever gave a shit.
As a White British citizen of Celtic/Viking background, I strongly support our Isreali allies. The diamond in a desert of shit and misery.
> Public opinion in the three large European Union member states included in the poll was strikingly similar on the issue: France (54% support, 20% opposition), Germany (53% v 28%) and the UK (53% v 26%). > UK (53% v 26%).
And that's from 2011. You can bet money it'll be higher now.
>>32639545 I'm white, Christian and I live in Islington, you porky fat fuck. But it's not like who I am matters anyway. Your feeble attempts to attempt to derail logic and reason are just that - feeble.
You're also apparently a fucking retard who can't read.
> what is a headline > A BBC-GlobeScan poll suggests more people back UN recognition of Palestine as an independent state than oppose it.
And you're some northern cunt who doesn't have a job, lives on some shitty estate, and doesnt have much in the way of any prospects except sitting on 4chan hoping someone will reply to one of your feeble "troll" posts.
>>32639707 Well said. Feeble attempts to derail logic will always be just that, glaringly feeble. >"protest is for anitafags and socialists" >protest clearly is for one thing and one thing only, against the recent Israeli onslaught >hurr I'm out of clever bait, call everyone durka >>32634205 >>32633595
1. Calling you a Muslim/Islamfag/Sandnigger/NAZI/Racist/Anti-Semite/Terrorist for saying a bad word about Israel. 2. Trying to make you hate anything but Israel like Muslims/Niggers any other nation which is not Israel or even portraying Israel as the 'lesser' evil if they are losing. 3. Ridiculing your arguments as baseless and when you are speaking the truth about the history of Israel words like 'propaganda' or 'conspiracy theory' will appear. 4. Lying about the occupation of Palestine and the heavily Zionism influenced Western governments. Israel controls every aspect of Gaza (Palestinians): Electric, Gas, Hospitals, construction, economy, farming, travel, passports, communications, Aid from the west, Red Cross and Oxfam. 5. Trying to make you think Israelis actually did something good for mankind, making a list of Jewish Nobel prize winners or stating that Israel keeps you safe from Terrorists. 6. Trying to portray Israel as an advanced independent technologically/military land with a tradition not run by religious extremists. Despite Israel receiving over $87,000,000,000,000 in Aid direct from the pocket of American taxpayers over the last sixty years. 7. Derailing on topic discussions that discuss valid points about Israel that Zionists would rather you didn't know about. 8. Posing as Nazis or American/British citizens. Posting "Jews did 911","holocaust denial" using Nazi epithets to divert attention away from legitimate criticism of Israel. 9.Spamming images of Muslims with knives and weapons and at every step portraying them as monsters killing women and children who dream only of the demise of the whole world. 10. Ignoring Zionists posts or those who defend Israel will encite a rage response. Actively choosing to ignore their posts and talking amongst yourselfs about your disdain for Israel will send them into a tantrum of pure rage.
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