>And CC revamps the American model of classical education to resemble a European model, which de-emphasizes the study of creative literature and places students on “tracks” (college vs. vocational) at an early age.
Different kids come from different backgrounds and do not enter elementary school with the same readiness to read. However, instead of holding back the ready kids while the unready catch up, it would be better to put them in separate classes.
>>30267202 Fairness to these third wave liberals means destroying success so everyone is mediocre. You can see it in the posters that say 1 in a mil means 999,999 left behind no more success stories, in the definition of the word privilege.
>>30267270 Well I live in Europe and have studied in America (exchange programmes). They might say their influence is European, but it's really not. That is total bullshit. Heck, we even laughed at American education before common core.
Common core's retarded nature can be broken down into two different parts.
The math part - the one where they make the problems absolutely fucking ridiculous, tedious, and unnecessarily complex? That's aimed at improving the math scores of girls (or more likely, worsening the math scores of boys.) Of course, why this is STUPID is because the average boy is only slightly better at math than the average girl - there are just more boys who outright excel at math than there are girls who outright excel at math. They refuse to admit that hey, maybe boys just have a higher chance of being a math genius than girls because of biological differences, so they design a system that makes no fucking sense.
The second part is the reading/writing curriculum, which is basically "Normal reading/writing, but now we focus on our liberal teacher's pet political issues."
>>30267375 The American education system is broken because of the teacher's union. Primary school teachers get tenured. It so bad some states have building of teachers who got tenured. Basically decided to be a shit teacher after they got tenured and since the state can't fire them, instead of them teaching they just sit in a room a read the paper all day while they get someone better to teach
For decades, every time we've had "educational reform" it has conspicuously focused on making things easier for teachers.
The fact is the best way to learn is not to cream kids in a classroom and make them read from a book that was most likely written by someone with no knowledge or enthusiasm for the subject. The best way to learn is to say "Okay, kids, here are these fundamental laws. Now let's do something where they apply in reality, and you're going to do most of the work yourself, rather than following my instructions"
That, and we should let kids choose to pursue which subjects interest them, beyond a meaningful core of knowledge everyone should have. If there's a kid who is interested in chemistry, there's no reason he should have to take a shitty history class that he hates and that he'll forget half the stuff from anyway.
>force kids to do confusing needlessly long math >Black kids wont give two shits and just play their xbox >White kids will do needlessly long math thinking they're learning something end result >stupid blacks + stupid whites with good grades
This is why catholic and private schools are the way to go, its like they want people to shun socialism
>jewish educator creates a propaganda system that makes teaching/learning nigh-impossible and is 100% intended to oppress and destroy poor children's chances by making them ignorant and illiterate >doesn't use his Common Core bullshit at the school he teaches at, the Hebrew School for the Chosen Ones
I don't even have kids and this shit rustles my jimmies like nothing else.
That piece of shits answer is nothing but a smokescreen. Don't like common core? You're a racist that doesn't want minorities to succeed in school! Now sit down and shut up while we overwhelm your children with propaganda!
Originally I figured this white privilege shit just existed on the internet and was made up by retards on tumblr, but no, it actually comes from kikes in academia.
Dont talk bullshit, white privilege was NEVER a fucking thing anywhere in the EU. Even the antifa shits over them and they are so fucking small and fringe that they probably consist of a handfull of people.
Fact is, there are some subjects that are better learned by independent investigation. Many of the scientific subjects fall into this category. Most times, science "teachers", especially in high school, are people who have a limited knowledge of the subject anyway. The fact that there are objective, solid answers in scientific subjects means that the class lends itself to independent investigation rather than guided teaching. In fact, an unenthusiastic teacher can actively hinder even the brighter students.
The fuzziest thing about science is the fact that many physical processes are nicely described by metaphor. But you don't exactly need a smart teacher for that. What you need is, for every physical process you describe, several metaphors to explain it in different ways.
why not? Why hire a unionized guy for $50/hour when you can hire an attendant for min wage?
>there are some subjects that are better learned by independent investigation. Many of the scientific subjects fall into this category. Most times, science "teachers", especially in high school, are people who have a limited knowledge of the subject anyway. The fact that there are objective, solid answers in scientific subjects means that the class lends itself to independent investigation rather than guided teaching. In fact, an unenthusiastic teacher can actively hinder even the brighter students.
and all of that is irrelevant, because school is not for learning, it's for job training. And hands-on job training occurs in college.
Why do you think history needs to be core education? The fact is, some people just don't care for it, and what's more, they don't really need it. The kid who grows up to be a chemical engineer but hates history isn't going to remember his history lessons ten years down the line EVEN IF YOU TEACH IT TO HIM. You're wasting your money. Why bother?
der jude aside, Germany was a socialist country and would have collapsed even sooner. Wonder why the world is shit today? Because everyone is trying to be socialist. It's the same Progressive garbage we've been fed since the end of the first world war/
As for the other stuff, I meant that the teaching methods don't really make it easier to replace the teachers. Hell, if anything, it makes it harder. Look at the common core math program. Prior to common core, it would have actually been pretty simple to replace math teachers with a computer program that just tells you if you got the right answer. But now, since you need to see if the person got the right answer AND is doing each of the retarded steps, it's more difficult.
>>30267992 You need history. Or you will be setting yourself up for being deceived and won't be able to comprehend why everything works the way it does. I'm a telecom engineer, and I'd say history was the second most useful course after CS-related stuff.
What you have to realize is that our education system has been fucked up from the very start. From its inception, it was created not for learning and helping people find their passion, but for churning out good little obedient workers for their rich betters. Changing the educational system is not necessarily a bad thing. BAD change is a bad thing.
>>30268191 But what I am saying is that, instead of letting the Jews water down our education system, wouldn't it be better to put them in the gas chamber and let them present their arguments for doing so to the gas?
>>30268245 Once you move (I hope) into pre-sales/sales/architect position where you have to interact with customers more directly, you'd understand. The art of negotiation, understanding the buyer/seller dynamic, figuring needs and solution - it's all over the history books. Like just reading about Napoleon (not on wiki, but something like 800+ pages) will make you a better leader.
Really, because 95% of the people here think YOUR progressives are batshit insane, and your progressives are institutionalized into a ultra-national system with virtually no chance of ever kicking them out of power short of the destruction of that system.
>>30268137 >>30268245 I'm a chemical engineer, prior nuclear operator. History is best explored on an individual basis as curiosity blossoms. Some basic idea of the founding of the home country and the government are all that are necessary. Civics is more important than history.
And then, the people who want to learn about history AND their engineering passion can go into those positions. The others who don't want to, won't. It's not as if engineering professions are devoid of positions where there's little to no customer interaction.
>>30268460 Agreed, but having a solid core understanding of History really helps to guide my curiosity nowadays. If I'm interested in some period, I already kinda know the basic outline and main actors so I can get right into it.
What are you talking about?There are no batshit insane feminists here that cry about rapeculture every day. And also privilege checking never will become a thing, even the biggest leftists retards here do not approve of that. So if ever than this will take several decades.
So i dont know what your point is, i m just saying that "privilege checking" wont be a thing in the distant future. People are already boiling inside, and this would be the icing on the cake.
>>30266522 >born in 1991 >grow in PC bullshit >White >Rich dad but he never paid child support >Alcoholic mom that never worked >No free money from the state >have to live like the niggers even though we're worse off >still go on in life and do more than the niggers I'm so fucking sick of this shit. Not every white person is privileged and in fact due to the laws we have those of us in shitty families are treated as far below any race; the lowest of the lowest caste; yet still we statistically dominate other races. This is honestly disgusting to me, why was I subjected to severe racism and it's somehow okay? Fuck these people and what they are doing, our kids are only going to get more fucked. The only good part about the video was the people screaming out in outrage.
These "white privilege" theorists are really moving forward. I think we need to start demanding some evidence from them that the races are equal in the first place, if that is what we are expected to believe.
Well, simply that people who don't like history tend not to remember it down the line anyway, and that there are plenty of ways to do very well in life without much knowledge of history.
I'm a fan of history. It was my favorite subject in high school, and I read history books independently just for fun. However, can I really say that it was NECESSARY for me to learn it? No. Did I learn lessons, important ones, from it? Yes. Would it have been impossible to learn those lessons outside of a historical context, though? No.
I just don't see the point in spending money on making someone do something that
1. The person hates 2. The person isn't going to remember
>>30268645 Maybe I'm assuming then but I was hoping I heard people going "This retard is full of shit." We're raised in an environment that says "White males are terrible people who only get anything because they are white males," meanwhile we are subjected to the worst racial and sexist discrimination out there. It's disgusting that people can support this when at 19 I was making more than the city household median income solely on the fact I worked my ass off. I hate this shit, it's sick, it's racist, and for some reason some people think it's fine when even judge fucking Thomas said this shit would only hurt every single race.
Your feminists may be quieter, but your countries have some of the more insane rape laws, and have considered serious proposals to make criticism of feminism punishable by law. Meanwhile, as bad as the US is on the topic of immigration, Europe is immeasurably worse.
You're being pedantic. I could very well ask you for proof that you "see" the point in doing it.
I mean, if I DID see the point in doing it, why would I make the argument against it? And what proof could I possibly offer? You have no way of knowing that I'm not, say, an interstellar reptile, but you have to take it on faith. Similarly, you have to take it on faith that what I'm saying is actually the way things are as I see it. There'd be really no point to me in pretending to have opinions that I don't actually hold.
>>30269032 So for your claim that you don't see a reason to study history, you have no evidence you can give us, other than your claim itself. Then I will remain skeptical of your claim until you can provide some evidence to support it.
>>30268792 As far as I can tell it's a shortcut for certain people to get others to do what they want without having to argue the merits of their actions. Basically do what I say or I'll call you racist and let everyone know you only have your position because your dad was rich. Jews love it because it allows them to play both sides of the argument. Blacks love it because it's a great excuse, they'll take anything they can get and they've always hated those above them. Poor whites hate it but nobody gives a shit about people that don't own land or capital anyway. It's a way for the rich to act like they are doing something by letting a few "blacks" and "latinos" into their club.
>>30269157 You claimed you don't see why people should study history. I thought maybe you do see why and were just saying you don't. So I was wondering if you could give us some evidence that you actually don't see what you say you don't see. But it seems you can't. So why should we believe you?
Now you're misinterpreting or misrepresenting what I said.
I never said there's no reason to study history. There are plenty of reasons.
I said there's no reason to make someone who hates history study it, because the important lessons of history can be given in non-historical contexts and they'd forget it anyway.
The oddest part about all your misrepresentation and pedantry is the fact that it's not hard to think of a genuine argument against my position. Namely, sometimes when you make someone study something, they eventually acquire a love for it that they never would have had if they weren't forced to experience it. For this reason, I wouldn't be opposed to a system that let people pursue their interests but also forced them to take at least one class a semester in something they hated.
>>30269219 1. I'm not the guy you were talking to. 2. A demostration of a persons inner knowledge is not demonstrable you disingenuous fuck. There is no metric to determine truth in opinions or rendering observations. Go fuck yourself and go back to reddit, pleb.
>>30267375 >>30267375 The US government schooling is more European than Europe's own government schools. The epistemic basis of Western government schooling is Kantian subjectivism, which unseats a child's ability to reason properly and turns them into social cogs and mindless automatons. The US Leftists just went much further than Europeans, because they're much more insane.
*Everything* about Leftist education is designed to destroy a child's ability to reason, his sense of individuality, all concepts of morality, and therefore any hope of ever resisting a dictatorship.
The Soviets actively used this method to undermine enemy nations, and Yuri Bezmenov (former KGB agent) called it "Demoralization."
The problem is that the opposition has no idea how to combat this method of subversion. Muh nation, muh race, and muh religion ain't gonna cut it against these monsters. And they are moving *fast.*
>>30269374 OK, so you can't give any evidence that you really think there's no reason to study history. So perhaps you think there is a reason to, and your claim that there is no reason has some ulterior motive to it.
>>30269872 Well if there's no white privilege then the OPs ideas are a non-issue. Unless you could possibly prove this guy engineered a plan to actively reduce the education levels of whites compared to other races. But then it's no longer "ending privilege", it's oppression.
>>30269796 I don't think that's what they would say it is. There must be something about the basic technique used to teach kids to read that is supposed to help kids who have not had previous exposure to reading. I wonder what it is. Or if this guy was just making shit up and there's nothing about the new standards that in any way would give kids a leg up on learning to read.
If there was a country that was my enemy, and I wanted to permanently destroy them, I would try to infiltrate their education system and make their people less able to compete in the global information society. It would have long-lasting detrimental effects and would not be immediately detectable. There are few areas to attack more critical than education in this day and age.
>>30269454 Studying history is now a very selective way of indoctrinating people and ruining their critical thinking skills. Look at modern history books, they present one side of history and then make the conclusions for the students, forcing white students to admit being oppressors simply for the color of their skin or hair is objectively wrong.
>>30270125 I thought you meant there was no concept of white privilege at all. As in it's just a bunch of kooks on the internet mouthing off with no real repercussions.
But yes, it is quite real in the sense that many people believe in it even if the actual "privilege" is a dubious thing at best these days. The vast majority of whites experience major obstacles to success in life that compensate for (and most often overcome) any inherent advantages they were born with.
But it seems to me many of these measures are often thinly veiled attempts at oppression, rather than any attempt to equalize across the board.
>>30270118 The people in charge of "standardizing" our childrens' "education". Top down education from a federal level is objectively wrong, especially when that isn't how funding of schools is handled.
>>30270307 Just give them the same chance as anyone, and let the chips fall where they may. Of course, they'll bitch and moan and scream racism, but there's nothing stopping us as a society from simply telling them to STFU and deal.
It doesn't even matter that I have Census records of my family being poor farmers back into the 1790s. My family lineage was all poor farmers and soldiers. Most of the whites in the past never owned slaves.
Hell, my family farmers in the 1800's probably lived a life that was mostly the same as a slave.
Why do all whites get blamed for being "evil oppressors" when it was a very small percentage of people that could even own slaves.
My family has always been in the north anyway and never owned slaves.
I didn't do anything. The truth is that black people are not able to compete with white people. They never have been able to compete. They cannot compete. Their environment did not select for the type of organization and cohesiveness that is required by white society to prosper.
Japan is a perfect example of this. Japan was technologically stagnant for thousands of years. Their culture was insular and anything from abroad was mistrusted. However, their lifestyle selected for cooperation and social organization.
This is why Japan went from Samurai to sky scrapers in under 100 years.
Similarly, blacks have had much more time (in africa) and more opportunity. It is their nature and culture that is against developing social order and cohesion that ruins them.
It is not us who are oppressing the blacks, it is the fact that they are unable to compete in the new world. It isn't racist, it is simply reality
>>30270341 Common core is offered as a solution to certain problems in our education system. These problems in our education system are primarily located among the niggers. The Common Core solution to this problem is to change the way that all children are taught, rather than just the way niggers are taught.
>>30267347 ~14 million Jews on the entire planet, and yet they somehow ALWAYS manage to find themselves in a position where they are pushing an anti-white, anti-European, anti-Western message. And not just ANY position, but one with authority. Always. Every time.
At some point, you have to accept this for the conspiracy that it is. The number of "IM WHITE!" Tim Wise-style Jews is beyond coincidence.
>>30270582 The real problem is that they think if niggers are educated they will do well in the world, if we want to tackle the problem of poverty we don't need to force education on people that don't want to learn, we just need more jobs for stupid people.
>>30270873 As jews they are in a special position to garner sympathy from whites and make sure they are known authorities on racism and equality. Of course all of these positions of authority are high paying jobs at "non-profit" organizations that don't pay any taxes.
Our schools look to the common core so to remain integrated with other states education system, but has independent standards. My state also has a rather large black population surprisingly. The jews aren't strong enough yet, they just live in richmond and swindle road repair money.
Here's how the US compares to other countries on the international TIMMS test of math and science.
It doesn't look like the US is that far behind, especially when you factor out the niggers (other countries don't have niggers, so it's not a fair comparison to include them). Given such small differences, does it really make sense to have such a broad overhaul of our education system?
common core math scares me because it needlessly overcomplicates problem solving of basic arithmetic. itd be fine if the curriculum evolved to take advantage of a more theoretical base, but it doesn't. it doesn't start teaching algebra until the 9th grade, which means you've been boring the shit out of and slowing down an entire generation of STEM in their math classes for 10 years.
learning how to fancy break up addition doesn't make Timmy a budding engineer, but it does prepare him to be very a very competent cashier.
>>30271596 The Jews want to destroy Christianity and white Western Civilization, and they're doing that by polluting and devaluing our culture any way they can. The dumbing down of our youth is just another front in that war on the West, and the oligarchs who run this country are all-too happy to play along, since an uneducated populace is easily controlled.
America has been overdue for a revolution since JFK. That's when the fabled United States, in all its glory, died.
>>30267992 Genius chemical engineer invents a chemical weapon. Aforementioned engineer does not know world history, or tensions between possible buyer countries. The chemical engineer sells his idea, and is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people.
History is not important. Learning lessons from history is.
>>30273120 >Genius chemical engineer invents a chemical weapon. >Took him a few years, during which his natural genius curiosity drew him to learn some things about politics and history by self-study. No problems whatsoever. FTFY
>>30274389 Yes, I've read this entire thread. My point was that no real genius chemical engineer would hate history so much that (s)he'd neglect it for the entirety of his/her life. No one ascends to that level of education without some diversity in subject. Geniuses are notorius for lack of focus.
I know this isn't really related, but I've been working in the testing center at my county college and I have started to notice that probably about 20% of the kids who take tests get special accommodations. Normal fucking kids who are just dumber than the other kids get extra time, get to use calculators, and other nonsense just because they are stupid. It's a county college, so some kids have obvious disabilities that deserve some accommodations, but most of them are just dumb. It really doesn't seem fair
>>30275554 Notice that a lot of the shit in the 1960s was a reaction to the Vietnam War. Also the Frankfurt school were in reaction against the Enlightenment, which they saw as having led to World War I.
And now after the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we have a new resurgence of this shit.
>>30270169 Exactly. It doesn't have to be "ebul gubbermint", it can be spies getting in the right positions to help each other. What if all the confusion brought on by conspiracy theories and the mainstream media is actually to cloud the publics awareness regarding infiltration on nearly every level.
>>30268460 Don't we need to have those past examples, so we can understand what politicians are referencing, and the mistakes made by people in the past? Such as the often one of "A land war in Russia, without winter uniforms, is a really bad idea"
In general, what did you people expect? These liberals have been graduating from college for years, did you expect them to avoid taking power?
It is stupid, I was diagnosed ADHD in school and was always offered extra time in every class, even though I always finished on time or early on tests. I never saw any reason why ADHD required needing extra time. I just needed the adderall to study and focus.
>>30267679 Holocaust denial is illegal, because when the truth is inconvenient (such as to a massive bullshit sob story), you make the truth illegal. Racism is illegal, for the exact same reason. Races are not equal, and this truth is inconvenient to those who'd like to destroy national identity. Being Offensive to feminism is illegal for the exact same reason - the truth is offensive. Hate is not a bad thing. Hate is a reaction to bad things, that fights against the bad things. Why is Hate illegal? There are those who wish to do harm to your country. Hate would be inconvenient to them.
Who's pushing all this anti-truth harm on society? The Jews. Which is typical, because the truth is inconvenient to liars and scammers.
>In This Reality: libfags pretending life is fair for anyone, or ever could be
There is no such thing as equality and there is no such thing as fair. Get fucking used to it. The naive fucking children who believe otherwise only end up creating more inequality and making life more unfair for everyone.
Dumbing down our schools and retarding the progress of smarter kids does not help kids who struggle (for whatever reasons). It makes things worse for everyone.
>yfw niggers can learn when properly disciplined
Read Thomas Sowell sometime. The lazy ghetto black culture we see today can be traced straight to poor white culture of southern England before America was even formed. When the Civil War ended and Puritans setup schools to help former slaves in the south black children at those schools flourished.
>yfw the solution to black poverty and disadvantage is to impose one of the strictest versions of "cis white Christian culture" that ever existed
Discipline. Hard work. Ethical behavior. And not wasting your time whining about your fucking lot in life or how "privileged" other people are.
>teach blacks to think the system is against them >teach blacks that nothing they do matters >teach blacks that they should spend all day bitching about "privilege" >teach blacks that they are owed a living >expect success
We know what works in schools. We know how to teach kids, even dumb kids, how to read, how to perform basic arithmetic, and how to have a decent life. We also know that the fucking liberals stomp any school which tries to implement what works.
The leader of the KKK couldn't come up with a better plan to utterly destroy blacks then the plan put forth by ignorant fucking liberals in the name of helping them.
What the fuck. That is disproportionate. No wonder people are putting so much effort into fighting races, because the jews are so hard at work ensuring no one brings up "class", as they would be the ones to blame.
Explain? In my classes we more or less had to have calculators and not just the standard scientific calculator, the massive ass graphing calculator that could shred the first year math of college into pieces.
>>30274669 I didn't know there were enough people of genius level intellect to make such generalizations. I intern for three mathematicians, two of which thought Bush was still President of the United States. >never doubt ignorance
The US actually has the best education system in the world by far. Whites do better here than other white countries, Asians do better here than other Asian countries, Hispanics do better here than all other hispanic countries, and niggers do better here than all other nigger countries.
Even if you count the very marginal performance in countries like Finland compared to white Americans, we cannot say that Finland's education system would educate fins as well if they were flooded with niggers and other non whites.
All in all, we have the best education system in the world. Probably because we spend so much money, and our children's futures are pretty fucking hopeless unless they have stellar academic successes and high school kids know this with topping off on AP classes and college credits even before they go into college. Other countries students are going on "gap years" to party, travel, and find themselves while US students are freaking about being accepted into a "good school"
There's simply no denying that Jews are common in places of power in the US. It's engrained in their culture to be businessmen and manipulators in the same way Irish and German immigrants raised crops and livestock.
Whether or not there is a vast Jewish conspiracy to destroy the white man is up for debate, but the power and influence of this minority population is not.
>>30277559 Most liberals have never even heard the phrase "race is a social construct". They're barely aware of the whole privilege debacle. This board gives way too much credit to the popularity of fringe politics.
America becoming P.C. telling me to check my privlige, tranny wins Eurovision, shit skins invading Europe in mass, Obama...god damn it /pol/ why does Russia seem like the only country left where you can be proud to not be a minority?
We will try to direct the public mind towards every kind of fantastic theory which could appear progressive or liberal. It was we who, with complete success, turned the brainless heads of the Gentiles by our theories of progress towards socialism; there is not to be found a brain among the Gentiles which would perceive that in every instance, behind the word "progress" is hidden a deviation from the truth, except in such cases where this word refers to scientific discoveries. For there is but one true teaching, and in it there is no room for "progress." Progress, like a false idea, serves to conceal the truth in order that nobody should know truth besides ourselves, God's Chosen People, whom he has elected as its guardian.
Truly fucking disgusting. Design an educational program to 'end white privilege' instead of, you know, educating humans equally. If the whites have problems with this stupid curriculum you know the nig-nogs are going to be doubly disappoint. This right here is the definition of insanity
"I believe that a man should be judged not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his privilege, and by the number of slaves that a small fraction that members of his race did once own in antiquity. May they continue to pay for the transgressions of their bloodline, and also the holocaust, amen!" -MLK
>>30266743 Sometimes I try to think reasonable and say to myself, "Maybe I should get off /pol/, maybe the Jews aren't behind everything." This shit like this happens. Damnit /pol/ why are you always so right!
>>30268500 the thing is kids dont know what they want to do. when i was in middle school i loved math, now i fucking hate it and moved on to other pursuits. if i had skipped basic courses for a naive dream i'd be in trouble.
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