When did Libertarians come to be in favor of open borders? They

>>140557933
They are cucks, but who cares? The market is purely natural, we just need to use it in our favor

Besides, it's nice to hijack their name and take it back to the roots

>>140557933
When (((they))) subverted the movement. About 10 years ago

I first notice Californian libertarian candidates were open boarders around 2006.

>>140557933

Libertarians are NOT for open borders.

>Libertarian here

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>>140557933
Thats the only statue that needs to come down.

Return to France

>>140557933
Hoppe is the only libertarian figure who is against open borders. It has always been a libertarian position. You dicks don't know libertarianism.

>>140557933
everyone who wasnt a faggot moved further along the authoritarian spectrum

>>140559809
Yes, they are

>>140561799
Which makes them authoritarian and not a libertarain

>>140561247
No one cares what some cucks think. We hijacked it now.

>>140561247
I have a feeling Hoppe is the only libertarian figure you know of.

>>140564233

Hoppe is the only libertarian worth reading so far

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>>140564355
t. newfag

>>140564233
Hayek, Mises, Bohm-Bawerk, Friedman, Rand and even Rothbard supported open border. Even modern academic libertarians support open borders. It's only /pol/ tier teenage libertarians who are new to the ideology, against it.

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2016/03/the_freedom-lov.html

Read more pseudo Ancap

>>140564355

I got this from LP.org.

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.

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>>140557933
The American Libertarian party is a fucking sham. It's so frustrating to know that those fucking degenerates are the face of Libertarianism in this country. How in the fuck any American genuinely throw their lot in with these absolute dregs after watching their national convention is astounding.

>>140564731
Rothbard supported it later in life.

Rockwell supports closed borders.

Those are the top leaders of libertarianism...

>>140557933
What's the word for someone who is a libertarian except when it comes to foreign policy?

>>140564629
Ideally, Friedman's C&F and Buchanan's Calculus of Consent should also be in there. That's two Nobel prize winners right there

>>140564731
>It's only /pol/ tier teenage libertarians who are new to the ideology
The market is not an ideology. The market is a way of doing things. That's why it is so good: it happens regardless of your fancies.

>>140565063
All libertarians are open borders, not just LP. Read more newfag

>>140565197
A Republican?

>>140565382
libertarianism is an ideology, market is not. There are no borders in markets, they are artificial constructs by the state

>>140559809
Retard

>>140565197
A hardline Neocon

>>140557933
Centrist cucks who think the state is necessary. Gas em. Also, natsocs are better in every way.

no one can beat hayek and friedman

>>140564629
>>140564731

Maybe I did not express myself correctly. Hoppe has read almost every one of those books, and thus is capable of giving a general praxeological-moral-ethical-philosophical-etc description of a free society. So if I had to choose one author, I'd read Hoppe. If I wanted to read a more thorough description of a certain institution from a libertarian POV, I'd read the other authors.

Now, related to the thread, I think that the question of open borders is answered beautifully by Hoppe. How open or closed the borders are will depend on the private, covenant-based community (since this is the most logical social organization for a free society).

Now, if we don't live in a free society, but instead we live in a minarchic nation, then the question would be (should be?) most likely answered by the population through vote. Cast a referendum. Setting the inherent problems of democracy aside, if the inhabitants of a nation choose their representatives, I think it makes sense they also chose their foreign policies.

>>140565531
Libertarianism is just a code word for market-based thinking. You don't have to depend on third-party "philosophers" to hold market ways in high regard. Yes, there are some constructs to be had, that's why you need the government to protect you from inflows of questionable human material. Ancaps have their own vision of this too.

>>140557933
Ancap cancer did it

>>140565729
>natsoc

That gold and black flag is a disgrace on you. Are you a teenager or a troll?

>>140561247
Ron Paul is against open borders as well. He ran on bringing the military home to protect our own borders.

>>140565934
Ancaps don't believe in the government because it impedes free movement of goods and labor. I'm not an Ancap btw, I'm a neoliberal. You're just plain wrong.

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>>140557933
why are you Americans cucking for open borders? do you not care about the founding fathers views of who's allowed to enter and live in America?

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shit wrong pic

>>140566259
No, he is not. He only thinks private individuals have the right to protect their land from anyone. At state level he is for open borders. Aga

>>140557933
When Gary "BAKE THE FUCKING CAKE" Johnson turned them into a fucking meme.

His vice presidential pick was a gun grabber ffs.

>>140566109
My point is that natsocs are honest about their statism. Lolbertarians act like they value freedom, but consistently make nonarguments about how we need some kind of state to survive. Ive never met a libertarian that wasnt a fedora tipper or a "superior centrist" redditor. I have much more respect for the ones who can argue their points for their ideology.

>>140566080
No, libertarains and classical liberals (which preceded libertarians) were for open borders more or less. Libertarian closed borders is a /pol/ meme tacked on by teenagers who read just Hoppe

>>140557933
More importantly, blaaaarg im ded
wuts aleppo

wow way to tank an entire party for probably the next 10 years guess I'll vote constitution, maybe somebody will start a gun party nice one

>>140566804
>Hoppe
Indians don't deserve to speak English. Go shit somewhere else.

>>140566962
I'm not Indian. People get to travel across borders you know

>>140557933
>When did Libertarians come to be in favor of open borders?
Many libertarians such as myself don't share all the convictions the libertarian party has. I am against open borders, but I believe one should have the freedom to leave his country without the government's permission to do so.

>>140565850
>How open or closed the borders are will depend on the private, covenant-based community

This more or less

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/11/lew-rockwell/open-borders-assault-private-property/

Why doesn't the Family Research Council just sue the SPLC for defamation?

>>140567051
So does poo (belongs in the loo 2bh)

>>140566259
He ran on bringing the military home because libertarians are isolationists and don't want large military budgets

>>140557933
Ever since the Koch Bros and their puppet Nicholas Sarwark decided to adopt the "liberaltarian" platform
They decided it'd be more prudent to go soft-democrat and focus on bullshit like internet privacy and DUDE WEED and, yes, open borders.
They're crypto commies, they divert attention from real issues and typecast libertarians as some "best of both worlds" bullshit instead of an axiomatically independent ideology.
It makes me ANGRY!!!!!

>>140567468
Koch bros were always libertarians

>>140567468
Hoppe does not define libertarianism. Most modern libertarian theorists are against Hoppe. Read more. Start with Bryan Caplan

>>140557933
Because when most people think of fascism theyre confusing it with socialism
Fascism is closed borders ethnostate nationalism which is what america was founded upon.
>O'sullivans law

>>140567217

It's as if it were the logical conclusion of property rights or something

>>140557933
you are confusing libertarians, with the libertarian party, with anarcho-capitalists.

>>140564731
Rothbard eventually opposed it and no one else you mention (notwithstanding Friedman but he shouldn't be lumped in) was in a position to understand immigration as a tool of the state as it has become.
Hoppe has elucidated this subversive activity and now there is a significant faction at the Mises institute which opposes open borders *given the existence of a government* due to the political danger it poses to libertarian prospects.

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>>140567770
I don't see what this has to do with anything. The question was when libertarians became in favor of open borders and that's the answer.
That being said, Hoppe is against most libertarian theorists and I prefer to side with Hoppe.
Minarchists aren't nearly as intellectually consistent and Hoppe's paleo slant is extremely compelling. The Cato Institute and the LP can take their holier than thou derision and go fuck themselves.
They're sellouts compared the the Mises crowd and only ever-so-slightly more politically relevant

>>140568283
Mises crowd is also NOT against Open Borders

>>140569058
Okay now you're just lying.
There are those in Block's camp who support it but Rothbard, Rockwell, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Tom Woods, and Jeff Deist have all stated that open borders, as it stands today, is nothing but a tool of the state to gobble up more power and generate more crises.
Maybe you should do some more reading. Lay off the liberaltarians.

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>>140557933

Open borders are fine, as long as there is no welfare state. Without a magnet of unlimited gibs the spics will go home

>>140557933
When libertarian think tanks started taking Soros bucks. Google the name of any libertarian think tank in conjunction with "Open Society" and you'll see what I mean.

>>140570654
It's only fine if you don't place economic value on the maintenance of white American culture.