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Why Should I Support Capitalism?

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As someone who's going to be poor in the future why should I support capitalism? Even if socialism made everyone worse off I still would be better off realitive to others and therefor be higher in the social dominance hierarchy. However when I'm poor as a janitor even if regulations end up getting me enough to have a home, car, and food I will still be considered low in the dominance hierarchy.
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>>140541906
That's because our definition of poverty is extremely narrow. I'm not considered poor under statistics because am fed. Most of these people "lifted out of poverty" don't even make $20,000 USD/year.
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>>140541638
Maybe you should just have a shred of morality and critical thinking and understand that capitalism rewards those who are most deserving. And if you are such a sower piece of shit untermensch that you support socialism out of spite then you should kill yourself.
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>>140542800
>implying im going to be a cuck
I hope you have cancer.
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>>140543196
What is your IQ, I bet you scored in the 80s or low 90s and now you're a sower puss.
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>>140543196
sour puss, faggot
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>>140543844
87 on offical IQ tests

>>140543903
>replying twice
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>>140544095
Holy shit, that''s actually a little low. Do you have some sort of learning disability? Are you a nigger or what?
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>>140544522
I was born early so everything about me got fucked up a little. Have social autism, short, weak, and can't really think fast. I can think and stuff but it takes me a long time which you can't do on IQ tests.
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>>140541638

A poor person in a capitalist society is still 10x better off than 99% of the people in a communist society. In Venezuela they have bread lines while in America our problem is poor people being too fat.
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>>140544697
Well thankfully I was born a week late, so I don't have any of that shit going on with me. Are you skinny and feminine? Also, sometimes if you score higher in the other areas of the test, just not in the time limit they just detract a few points for slow processing.
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>>140545487
>are you skinny and feminine
Not really skinny but im ultra-feminine

>Also, sometimes if you score higher in the other areas of the test, just not in the time limit they just detract a few points for slow processing.
Without time i get about 95 but that's bullshit because everyone knows being able to think fast is an important factor. I can't do basic math or science im not disputing the IQ test.

>>140545409
I know I would be poorer under communism, but I still like it since everyone else would be even more poor compared to now
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>>140541638
The more capitalistic the nation, the smaller the gap between rich and poor.
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>>140546351
How? Under a socialist system there is little gap. And under communism almost no gap.
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>>140541638
jesus whats with all the commie shilling, this is the third thread in a row bitching about muh ebil capitalism

get a fucking job commie scum
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>>140546489
I have a job, how about you get a job. You scum
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>>140546573
"activism" or (((NGO))) work doesn't count as a real job communist parasite
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>>140541638
Because what if you win the lottery, THEN WHAT.
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>>140546451
In what communist state has the power elite not lived in ridiculous luxury compared to the average citizen?
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>>140545409
>A poor person in a capitalist society is still 10x better off than 99% of the people in a communist society.
No, we were much better off in a communist society actually.

You're thinking of a poor person in a capitalist society on your (colonial empire) side of things, not on everyone else's (colony) side of things. Of course Americans will be better off, but for that, countries like mine have to be ruined.
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>>140545820
So I haven't taken an IQ test I can really recall. I think I might have done CATs (Cognitive ability test) because sometimes the whole year will do it, and my teachers game me the impression that I did pretty well in them, what are the time limits on them?
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>>140546735
And you on welfare doesn't count as a job

>>140546927
It wasn't as extreme as the capitalist wealth gap

>>140547032
It's a strawman anyway, i don't want to be better off i just wished things were worse for the richer.
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>>140547032
>we were much better off in a communist society actually
We weren't in a communist society moron, Yugoslavia lived off of gibs from USA and USSR in exchange for not joining either of the two
Also, the only reason things were "better" than in the rest of the Eastern Bloc was because elements of free market were allowed here (personal property, small to mid range private business, competitive banking etc.) almost to the point of it being market socialism. The only things that were nationalized was big industry and big business and even then only to make sure all the parasites and useless people would have jobs forever and thus not rock the boat.

Yugoslavia was like the least communist of the communist countries (seeing as how it fell apart before China went full state capitalism)
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>>140547177
No limits, time just gets subtracted from your score.
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>>140547553
I see, selling all infrastructure to the Germans to repay imaginary debts and then still paying them for the privilege of using it, despite our own fathers building them with their own hands, and never repaying the debts because due to creative accounting we're only repaying the interest which gets bigger every year, is clearly superior to the ebil gommyz.

Remember when we had an actual heavy industry? Agriculture? Production and export of commercial goods?
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>>140548154
croatian cronyism =/= capitalism

blame HDZ not the free market
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>>140548323
>croatian cronyism =/= capitalism
Of course, *real* capitalism has never been tried...
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>>140547798
Yeah, the timing would get me, I CAN think fast enough, but I like to take my time and my strong suit is Verbal reasoning and Numerical skills, maybe working memory but I haven't taken that test before, the points detracted for time might bring my score down to high 110s low 120s from the low 130s (I recently took the CAT again but without being timed).
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>>140548424
its been tried and it works
or right its not capitalism its "imperialism" when it works right?
fuck off
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>>140547283
>capitalist wealth gap

What you speak of isn't capitalism, its corporatism and the protectionist ideology stemming from socialists and the wealthy elite looking for monopolies.
And these people thrive in socialist nations not so much in capitalistic ones.

US with high numbers socialist progressives huge wealth gaps.

Hong Kong or Switzerland low number of socialist progressives, low wealth gap.
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>>140542800
>morality
>capitalism

Hoo boy
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You do t have to support it, just like animals dont support natural selection and predation. Capitalism seperates the wheat from the chaff, unfortunately, you are chaff. At least the people who are better than you dont see you as a threat, or they would not want you around.
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>>140548640
That's correct, when it "works" it's basically just "crony capitalism" on an international level, since it works only for one end of the deal.

And that is only a large scale representation of the perfect capitalist transaction (which is basically getting everything for nothing, and convincing the other person they profited from it).

>>140548767
>>What you speak of isn't capitalism
See >>140548424
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>>140548424
Free market has literally been around since before Money...

>Its never been tried

Top KEK
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Hm never thought of it that way. You will be better off in terms of living standards in capitalism, but yes probably worse off in terms of mate selection
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>>140549081
until a way to end scarcity is discovered, capitalism will always be superior to socialism because capitalism allocates scarce resources in the most effective way for the entire society

socialism relies on people (who are notoriously retarded) to run something as huge and complex as an economy manually; millions of years of evolution have made people inherently selfish and thus the people who control the allocation of resources manually (as in socialism) will ensure that they get the best of everything

if the only way your ideology can work is to massacre countless millions of people, then its a shit ideology
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>>140549081
You're talking of globalism, where international companies set up factories in third world countries and they make about 60cents an hour and the poor people aren't seeing any benefit, is this what you're on about?
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>I am low status so I want everyone else dragged down to my level
Yep, that's a leftist attitude alright. I abhor your nigger-tier crabs-in-a-bucket nature with all my heart.
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>>140549542
>socialism relies on Communists (who are notoriously retarded)

FTFY
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>>140541638
>Even if socialism made everyone worse off I still would be better off realitive to others and therefor be higher in the social dominance hierarchy

How exactly?
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>>140548796
>voluntary relationship between people
>not moral
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>>140549542
>allocates scarce resources in the most effective way for the entire society
Except people are literally starving while massive amounts of processed food are being thrown away (much more than it would take to feed the entire world multiple times, look up the statistics), that's not even counting the unprocessed food.
>if the only way your ideology can work is to massacre countless millions of people, then its a shit ideology
So capitalism is a shit ideology, gotcha.
>>140549687
Yes, globalism is the endgame of capitalism, and now that it's undergoing its historical fusion with "communism" you guys still defend it.

It's especially funny when some idiot like >>140549542 who lives in a country that's on the ass end of capitalism thinks it's somehow going to better with MORE capitalism despite the entire system being designed so that his country always stays on the ass end on the "global market".

We still haven't privatized air I think, maybe that will finally make us competitive enough.
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>>140550079
I'm a janitor in a rich neighborhood and get no respect. I make 20K a year while my neighbors make 120K a year. I live on a shack beside the road connecting to a gated community. If I lived in communist russia where everyone including me made 18K a year I'd be seen as their equal.
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>>140550414
Go learn a skill then. Use your time to volunteer if you have to. No, you'll just waste your time on the internet never even trying while shouting "what am I supposed to do!" Your forefathers spit upon you.
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>>140550967
>learn a skill
Like what?
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>>140550967
My forefathers were criminals, thieves, bandits, and pirates. They wouldn't give a shit.
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>>140550414
You're overdoing the trolling a little bit, I think even Americans will catch on at this point.
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>>140551312
You do realize you're getting banned for trolling right? You're just lengthing your ban with each post.
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>>140550217
Yeah, except in every measurable metric these 'evil capitalist exploiters' raise the standard of living.
That 60cents an hour is usually more than DOUBLE what most of them would of been earning, usually most people are subsistence living before these factories come along, then as time goes on and more factories move in to exploit "the evil cheap labour" wages start to rise, standard of living gets higher still, more local businesses start to appear..

The amount of positive coming from these 'evil exploiter' far out weights any negatives. And compare that to the complete failures of communism.

How are those food stocks in North Korea and Venezuela?
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>>140551149
There it is. "What am I supposed to do". Are you an adult? Pick some trade at random if you can't decide. They're good pay. Whatever it is, the hardest part won't be the work itself, but making a goal and sticking to it. At this point, digging yourself out of the hole you're in will be the most dreadful feeling you've ever made yourself feel, and by the end of it you will have a future.
>pirates
Hey, you've got something cool in your blood at least.
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>>140550967
don't bother explaining these things to them anon
if they wanted to self-improve and make something of themselves, they wouldn't be communists to begin with
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>>140551629
>>The amount of positive coming from these 'evil exploiter' far out weights any negatives.
Why don't you do it in your own country to your own people then?
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>>140551818
Dude having a trade will get you no respect.
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>>140551629
now look how he'll move the goalposts in the next post

you can't argue with these people they're too brainwashed one can only pity them and make sure they never get even close to anything resembling political power
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>>140551857
There's a little bit of shit left on the boot, self-improve your tongue and lick it off, it tastes just like Coca Cola.
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Socialism, and its predecessor Communism are inherently flawed because thier ideologies hold 2 false premises:
1)That mankind can create a stareless society. This is impossible, since out of anarchy, or a collective, a functioning body responsible for the distribution of the means of production must be established. This body functionally becomes a state, while the division between the members who are operating within the body and the ones who are left out begin to seperate, they establish a heirarchy.
2) A state, or even an anarchy, cannot become classless, human beings are far variable in genetics, thought processes, and abilities which naturally establish a pecking order. Equality of oppurtunity is also impossible to achieve, on account of those same reasons. Humans also express a certain degree of selfishness, which jeopardizes a society without conflict between individuals, furthuring the inability to esablish a society without classes or heirarchies.
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>>140551881
Because, unlike in communism where you have no choice but to work for factory x for a set pay, in capitalist societies, individuals can in fact refuse to work for too little pay and find better jobs instead
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>>140552091
>t. i don't want to invest any energy into my life whatsoever, i want the state to give me things for free
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>>140542800
>capitalism rewards those who are most deserving
Like George Soros.
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>>140552142
Is capitalism inherently flawed because it believes in the ridiculous concept of the invisible hand?

Or is this actually by design, and the invisible hand is a concept only sold to those "not in the know" so that the system can self-perpetuate for the benefit of the people controlling the invisible hand?
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>>140549177
The defining trait of capitalism isn't free markets, it's - and this may surprise you - the predominance of capital.
Capitalism emerged in England.
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>>140552185
So... you just export the shit jobs that no one wants to do, brilliant! Why do people in other countries "deserve" to do them though? Surely you're not defending imperialism again?

>>140552317
What is the purpose of the state?
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>>140552055
Excuses for staying in your comfort zone. And it could be anything. We've got more information at our fingertips than any other people in history. But you knew that already.
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>>140551629
>Yes, globalism is the endgame of capitalism, and now that it's undergoing its historical fusion with "communism" you guys still defend it.

There is globalism as defined by capitalist, which is simply world wide free market.
Then there is 'globalism' as defined by the political elite, in a political Union.

Yes one is basically communism, the other is anything but.
And the political elite like to make sure that the definition are well and truly blurred.
They blame all the problems they cause on the very think that can fix it, so people call out for more communism.
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>>140552408
The delusion that an emergent system is somehow secretly designed is what leads to both Marxism and creationism.
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>>140551881
We did... It was called the industrial revolution.
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>>140552571
>Why do people in other countries "deserve" to do them though
nobody "deserves" anything, they get those jobs because they are willing to work for a lesser pay than their western counterparts, owing to the fact that before the ebul capitalist pigs factory being built, they were substenance farmers ekeing out a meager existence

from your perspective, it looks like ebul porky exploiting those poor poor chinks, from their perspective its a huge improvement
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>>140541638
>Being better off relative to others makes your situation better
No. Enough Food, Adequate Housing, and Consumer Goods>Respect. Destroying the Economy out of spite is not a legitimate position.
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There will be an elite class in socialism anyways and besides comparing yourself to others always invites envy. Worry about what is best for yourself.
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>>140545820
>I know I would be poorer under communism, but I still like it since everyone else would be even more poor compared to now
First of all, people like you are why I have no respect for communism. Secondly, you are nothing but a worthless thief.
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>>140553203
this
ultimately, communism isn't born out of misguided sympathy or even out of egalitarianism

its born out of envy
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>>140552551
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism

Definition of capitalism
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.

>Nope the defining trait is self determination.
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>>140552408
It doesnt believe in an invisible hand in a literal sense but a metaphorical one, very similar to the "hand" that guides natural and sexual selection in other animals. It also believes in the right of one to a certain degree of personal property, whether thst be the individuals own body, or their means of production thst they can choose to buy from another individual or create. Though the flaw of this system assumes that others will not use force to remove or take control of their property. To combat this, a voluntary agreement between parties is created, with varying terms, but most of them follow a NAP style set of rules to create a functional state. The terms on which this social contract is founded is usually beneficial for most of the parties involved and prevents parties of lesser or equal power from killing or violating the terms established by the state.
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>>140541638
Would you rather be poor and starve, or be poor and have food and an iphone?
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>>140553031
>from your perspective, it looks like ebul porky exploiting those poor poor chinks, from their perspective its a huge improvement
Yes, this is clearly a huge improvement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE37aaD281s
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>>140553557
>The terms on which this social contract is founded is usually beneficial for most of the parties involved
When only one party has a monopoly on media and the education system, how can you claim to even know that?

>>140552868
And they didn't really like it, did they. So why inflict this upon others?
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>>140553723
1. still better than communism
2. nobody is forcing the workers to stay working at that factory, they are free to quit at any time
3. that factory is breaking the law of the country its in, so its not even a failure of capitalism so much as its a failure of the rule of law
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>>140553561
He'd rather be poor and starve so long as everyone else around him was also starving.
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>>140554036
>1. still better than communism
In what way?
>2. nobody is forcing the workers to stay working at that factory, they are free to quit at any time
Unlike communism, in this system they starve to death and the system doesn't give a shit about them as "common workers".
>3. that factory is breaking the law of the country its in
But through breaking the law, it earns more than enough money to pay the fines and still profit, sounds like perfect capitalism to me.


You didn't answer this btw:
>>140552571
>What is the purpose of the state?
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>>140551629
good meme, maybe liberals can understand better if you use a cartoon.
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>>140553474
>private or corporate ownership of capital goods
hmmm...
almost as though, again, the defining trait is capital, as opposed to the market-element which can be found back to bartering negroes.
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>>140542120
Congratulations -- that puts you in the top half of earner globally.

Take the blinders off and get over your envy.
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>>140551228
>I'm descended from a family of filthy, worthless criminals
Hopefully one of your victims ends that tree.
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>>140554664
I still am poor compared to those around me and I get no respect
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>>140554352
the purpose of the state is to ensure everyone holds to the social contract and to punish those who break the social contract with overwhelming force

basically, to keep the peace and stop everyone from degenerating into war of everyone against everyone else

the purpose of the state is most definitely NOT to take my hard earned money and give it to your lazy incompetent ass because it is in fact NOT fair to penalize successful people who made the right choices in life while rewarding the degenerates who made the wrong choices in life

thus, refering to the video you posted, the purpose of the state should be to check if the factory is breaking law, and if it is, to make them pay damages to the workers, fines to the state and force them to change their operating procedures (or leave)
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>>140554884
If you were a low achiever in a system of equal wealth distribution you would still get no respect.
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>>140553923
>Usually
Like I said, it makes the false assumption that ethics are practiced by all in the system, a monopoly is the equivalent of an apex predator in nature, or a state in international politics. To combat this, people would either not consume the products made by this company, move location, or end up joining it. This is similar to what happens in nature, they prey either adapts so the predator chooses not to pursue it, moves environments, or gets eaten. As for states similar actions would be not allowing trade or immigration from another country, leave and establish another state somewhere else, or fall to a superior mikitary force. Capitalisms flaws are similar to communisms, both assume they arent systems run by animals. Though, the prey in capitalism are often far happier and live longer than communism.
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>>140554938
Oh you're a Molymeme cultist, lol.
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>>140544697
>127 IQ
>Chad Face
> 6'0" and not meme 6'0" but reality.
>Have 10/10s tell me when they get off work even though I'm fat and autistic.
>Ignore them.
It's ok manlets that roasty bitch would just break your heart anyways.
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>>140555085
If he was of that ilk he would say the state is 100% illegitimate. As for you, I'm detecting a distinct, dare I say, lack of an argument.
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>>140554884
You'd get more respect if you did things to earn it rather than being a self-entitled brat who thinks he can have anything he wants, and then wants to drag everybody else down to his level, when told "no".
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>>140553923
>And they didn't really like it, did they. So why inflict this upon others?

KEK!
So because short term, people didn't like the originally harsh conditions (and yes they were bad) we should of given up and cried into the fire at home in our "shacks", in serf to some landlord or bank.
Instead of increasing the wealth of the average person and the introduction of the middle classes?

You would seriously prefer people split between the have's and haven't any.

Anyway.. I'm out, places to be.. I can't sit around sulking like communist.
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>>140555197
Don't just mean your hearts I mean any mans. There is nothing you can do for a woman that will keep her in line in Western Civilizatoin.
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>>140544697
so by what logic do you believe you are entitled to having a higher standard of life than everyone around you if you are not only an economic failure but also a biological failure

i mean, other than the fact that the success of others hurts your feelings
>>140555085
I'm a believer that the state should be limited to police and rescue services, military and defense, judicial system and education system
everything else can be solved by the market better
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>>140555492
So what happens when a foreign company buys all the water sources in your perfect state, this is something that you'd allow?
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>>140541638

>i am completely worthless
>i want to force everyone to be as completely worthless as me

Commies in a nutshell.
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>>140555460
>Instead of increasing the wealth of the average person and the introduction of the middle classes?
The only way this was done is by *outsorcing* the lower class to other countries. They're still there, they're just not your people anymore.

If this really had such a great effect on your country, why do you still need to exploit other countries to fuel your own economy, why not just keep it all inside your borders, it's obviously a system that benefits everyone so... what's the problem?
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>>140545820
>I know I would be poorer under communism, but I still like it since everyone else would be even more poor compared to now
Put a bullet to your head you worthless retard
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>>140555830
yes I would allow it if they followed the law
if said company started charging outrageous sums of money for water however, that would constitute a physical threat to the people in the country, thus activating the "military defense" part of the state - or to be more specific, the company would get raided by soldiers, seized and reprivatized to a better company

also, monopolies aren't capitalist and the company wouldn't even get to a position of "owning every water source" because there would exist laws preventing such a thing from occuring (the judicial system part of the state)
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>>140542800
>capitalism is moral and helps those most deserving
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>>140546573
>completely worthless
>a total fucking failure
>wants to drag everybody down to his level
>not scum
Get a life you fucking moron
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>>140556619
i bet hes a manlet too
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>>140545409
In capitalist Haiti or El Salvador people are much more miserable than in Marxist-Leninist Cuba.
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>>140554660
>characterized by private or corporate ownership
>determined by private decision,
>determined mainly by competition
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>>140557161
>characterized by private or corporate ownership
of capital goods.

don't try to "as the bible says, 'there is no god' " me.
>determined by private decision,
>determined mainly by competition
These are ancillaries to the capital goods question. It's not called "Private Competitionism" for a reason.
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>>140556255
I hate to break it to you but your ideal state isn't capitalist then, and we're back at the "real capitalism has never been tried" thing again.

Since you're giving so many non-capitalist powers to the state, where is the problem in trying to organize it so that it minimizes class differences, protects the commons, and makes the life of an ordinary worker worth living?
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>>140548767
>US is socialist but Switzerland and Hong Kong aren't
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>>140541638
Because with capitalism you can actually work your way from poverty if you actually use your brain and not just get the new hip iphone 83 and the macpaper3000
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>>140557479
What about his society isnt capitalist?
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>>140548873
In that case what's wrong with workers shooting their bosses and taking over their workplaces? It's just natural selection right?
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>>140557479
please tell me what is non-capitalist about anti-trust legislation or protecting the lives of citizens from imminent physical threat

the United States, probably the most capitalist country on earth has anti-trust laws, and every state ever in history regardless of economic system has a military for defensive purposes
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>>140550153
>capitalism
>voluntary relationship between two people
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>>140542800
Lol capitalism rewards the retarded offspring of inbred elites.
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>>140557786
Ridiculous state regulations that hinder the free market?

>>140557963
Tell me what's not communist about taking people's money by force and redistributing it to fund a state that forbids free market actors from acting on said free market unless they satisfy the demands of the state. It's literally communism.
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>>140557847
Because if that became common behavior, your employer(s) would prepare for such situations, and I don't think you would like how that would end for you.
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>>140554884
And everyone is poor compared to billionaires, get over it. There's more to life than money. As long as you have food, shelter and money for something recreational, you're content.
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>>140541638
>Even if socialism made everyone worse off I still would be better off realitive to others and therefor be higher in the social dominance hierarchy.
No you wouldn't.
Socialism just makes people slaves to the state.
The political class in the Soviet Union weren't standing in a bread line.
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>>140557847

You're the reason mines bought M2 machine guns back in the day.
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>>140557847
What's wrong with nuking competing countries? It's just natural selection right?
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We need half a dozen helicopters sent to this thread, STAT
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>>140544697
>>140544095
>this is the average socialist
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>>140558108
market stops being free if there is only one provider - hence monopoly is not capitalist; only one thing should be monopolized and that is the legitimate use of physical force and its held by the state

in my scenario, the state essentially sells the services of police, enforcement of contracts and education to people in exchange for money, aka taxes; everyone pays the same amount for those services (flat tax rate) because everyone gets the same service

hell, I'd even throw in the allowance of not being forced to buy the services of the state but that means no firemen if your house is burning, no school for your kids, no police if you get robbed and no court if you get fucked by someone not following his contract with you - the only thing that would be directly protected no matter what would be your right to life (even if you don't pay taxes, no one gets to kill you and get away with it)
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>>140558181
>>140558253
Enjoy getting guillotined, shot, hanged, or GULAG'd when people get sick of that.
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>>140558253
Someone who knows about Ludlow! Very good.
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>>140558936
So socialism > capitalism because it ends in mass murder, is that right?
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>>140558936
>implying
I'm not going to go down quietly, if you try to steal from or kill me, I will react accordingly, and if I get outnumbered, I will take out as many of you thieving faggots down with me.
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>>140550414
People don't dislike you because you're poor.
People dislike you because you're obnoxious, whiny, and entitled.
Your waifu is not going to fuck you. Ever. Get over it.
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>Even if socialism made everyone worse off I still would be better off relative to others

You're choosing a worse standard of life so you can spite others. What the fuck is the matter with you? Maybe hurting other people is not the best thing in life?
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>>140558108
I see, any replies to>>140555079?
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>>140550414

Oh, so you're delusional/ignorant as well as petty.

Hint, janitors and party officials do NOT have the same standard of living, and you better believe you'd see the gulags if you didn't tip your hat appropriately.
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>>140556714
>Haiti
run by niggers, the rest is self explanatory
>El Salvador
kek
the whole reason el salvador sucks so much is because of a failed communist revolution and a 12 year civil war that followed afterwards
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>>140558819
>>market stops being free if there is only one provider - hence monopoly is not capitalist
What if it's not a monopoly, and the foreign water company are actually three companies that follow the exact same global agenda, that's so homogenous that there's not even the kind of collusion where their owner's secretaries met in a hotel in Kyoto once, the "invisible hand" just makes them all act like the same company?

>>140559479
It goes to the purpose of the state again, if it's just something to protect some nebulous concept of socioeconomic darwinism, then I don't know what to tell you, enjoy your robot overlords. You know that this is a shit way to do it.
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>>140541638
JUST KEK MY SHIT UP OP
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>>140558819
>everyone pays the same amount for those services (flat tax rate) because everyone gets the same service
This doesn't seem reasonable when you remember that certain people need the service more than others. The more property you have, the more valuable it is to rob you, and the more value you find in prosecuting robbers. The weaker you are, the more you need the state to defend you, and so on.
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>>140559961
Well you'd have to assume that most people would never need the service so people who need it would have it financed from their money, like health insurance, welfare, you know, evil communist stuff.
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>>140558936

Oh sweetie.

You're the ones that people are getting sick of.
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>>140559328
What's wrong with a "worse standard of life"? Why not concentrate on things that actually matter instead of consumerism?
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>>140560312
>insurance and welfare
One of these is not like the other...
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>>140559253
stop being whiny
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>>140563235
In what way? A person isn't very healthy for very long if they can't afford food and basic living conditions.
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>>140563518
People choose to purchase insurance, while the funding for welfare is taken by force.
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>>140561645
>sweetie
why do you talk like a roastie, faggot?
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>>140563620
Obviously I meant things funded from taxes in sane countries. Yours is one of the rare ones that will pay for hamburgers over a blood transfusion.
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Nobody gives a damn about social hierarchy during the total fucking chaos that ensues from a rebellion, especially when the state might turn communist on a dime just because the base "everyone gets the same" just needs the government cucks to say "everyone gets the same, EXCEPT....." and nobody will disagree, it's a better life for them.
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>>140559849
A shit way to do what? Just because it doesnt fit within the maxims set by a bunch of dead guys doesnt mean its any less of a theory on how the systems are doomed to fail at one point or another.
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>>140563869

I'm speaking to him in his own language in the hopes that he'll wake up or at least fuck off and die.
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>>140541638
Start your own business, climb the ladder on your own merit...
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>>140565226
Social hierarchy is ever present, regardless of rebellion, a revolution is the restructuring of a heirarchy, not its removal.
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>>140565226
>and nobody will disagree,
You are dreaming. People always disagree, ALWAYS.
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>>140565297
>>A shit way to do what?
Society in general. If you have the power of choice to decide how it's run of course, if not, then might as well convince yourself that this is the best of all possible worlds...
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>>140550414
>If I lived in communist russia where everyone including me made 18K a year I'd be seen as their equal.
That's not how communist Russia worked. They still had different salaries in different jobs, and furthermore, the real profit opportunities were in corruption and stealing from work.

Culture in the Soviet Union was intensely status-oriented. Ability still mattered a great deal: people who were actually good at their jobs were valued to keep things running or to show off as model workers or proof of communism's ability to nurture talent, while people with skills at networking were able to get positions with both better official salaries and more opportunities for sneaking money. The rewards were just poorer than in richer societies.

If you can't do any better than janitor in the USA, then in the Soviet Union you would probably be both despised and utterly impoverished.
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>>140566159
>That's not how communist Russia worked.
Why ruin such a nice bit of propaganda.

Americans really actually think that btw, they think that communism = everyone has the exact same salary, there is no money, and they can't own anything except a toothbrush.
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>>140566159
>If you can't do any better than janitor in the USA, then in the Soviet Union you would probably be both despised and utterly impoverished.

This is utterly false. If you're a janitor in the USSR you are guranteed a house, food, and healthcare. Unlike in the USA where being a janitor only barely covers your monthly rent and if you fuck up and get injured you could go bankrupt.
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>>140565912
Nobody said it was easy, fair, or even enjoyable. Granted, I may be going too far into the edgy nietzsche stuff, but the points havent really been disproven when looking at the ugly history of people.
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>>140568411
Perhaps enduring all those years of capitalism has broken your spirit and you are unable to imagine a better world!
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