Why is fascism seen as bad?

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>>140481882
Fascism is authoritarian corporatism, dumb shit. Of course it's bad. Fucking nazi larping moron.

>>140481882
Decades of propaganda dehumanizing the Axis powers and telling people they were pure evil. Making them easy targets and generic badguys in every form of media since the war ended to the point where they are perceived as being cartoonish super villains than people who actually lived less than a century ago and had actual motivations other than "Raaar kil lda jooz!"

Fascism of course was the political ideology of the Nazis. Why is it bad? Because it was used by the Nazis! They did bad stuff! Therefore fascism is bad! Never mind the US is still the only country to ever use nuclear weapons on enemy countries and they chose to wipe out two cities filled with civilians instead of military targets. Nazis had concentration camps! Bad!

Statism is never good.
Next question

>>140481882
Because it's anti-freedom. Taking away freedom is evil.

>>140481882
fascism venerates strength and potency, which is the opposite of whats needed to get the world to submit to globalism

>>140482340
Yet despite being "free" and democratic soceitys, nothing ever improves, the party's stay the same and rotate out trash/talking heads that promise but never deliever, all the while our nations are being robbed blind and our people replaced. Freedom is meme, as is we aren't free.

Because it would mean the citizens taking back power from the globalists. It would mean more competition for the banks and they won't be able to do business as usual. You also can't have people trying to enlighten or improve themselves you want them to be consumers and dependent on your globalist profiting machine

Because people ( Anglosphere ) is ignorant, they still confusing Fascism and Nazism.

Because it was organized, collective opposition to Jewish communism

That's literally the only reason

>>140483047
Anglos are well aware of fascism being opposition to communism

They just don't care,

>>140481980
>Authoritarian

Which is needed to fight communism

>>140482340
Enjoy getting raped by invading communists you retarded larper

>>140481980
>Fascism is authoritarian corporatism
LITERALLY nothing wrong with any of that.

>>140482916
Congrats mate, you described yet another form of statism.

>>140482703
Which is ironic since they were opposing communism they were unequivocally the pro freedom side

>>140483463
Collective state action is the only way to combat leftism

Comprehensively lost the war with the highest stakes for which any war has been fought and was the aggressor.

The victors decided it was an ideology that can never be allowed again and were successful

>>140483730
They lost because the US retardedly decided to support communism and the USSR

>>140481882
Because it's a marxist doctrine

>>140483478
>Communism is anti-freedom
>Nazis oppose communism
>Therefore Nazis are pro-freedom
Wrong, learn to logic, 'A implies B' is not logically equivalent to 'B implies A'

They were both freedom restricting regimes.

>>140483850
>If you fight communism you're a marxist

I hate libertarians so god damn much

>>140481980
>nazi
>fascist
Spot the leftypol shithead that knows nothing about opposition politics

>>140483728
Collectivism will always lead to leftism you ideological cuck.
Individualism and right wing (as in actual right wing, not left wing NEETsocs) will always go alongside each other

Well they did start the most catastrophic war in human history, along with the equally-derided communists.
It's the only thing the general public knows about fascism. They were the bad guys in WW2 so they must all be evil.

>>140483964
Nationalism only limited a few freedoms like "being a revolutionary communist"

Communism limits freedoms like "eating food". Death is the preferable alternative to communism. Anyone who whines about the people that fought communists is a faggot and a leftist

>>140481882
It represents what the left despises, order and control. At times it is what is necessary and proper and today is one of those times. While the left is busy deconstructing everything in an attempt to find meaning in their lowly material existence we will construct a new world with the old ideas. We are the counterculture, we are what is dark and sexy, and we are what is going to save the European tradition from itself.

>>140484160
You're retarded

Society is founded on collectivism which was mostly right wing monarchy and aristocracy for 99% of human history>>140484177

>>140484201
The problem isn't that much about nationalism but rather the left wing part when it comes to NEETsocs, and that cuts plenty of freedoms

>>140484177
>If you fight communists you are the bad guys

Such is the wisdom of the Anglo

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>>140481882
>Why is fascism seen as bad?
pic related

>>140481882
>Why is fascism seen as bad
because it promotes a homogenous scociety. of which you are not.

>>140481882
Because people want freedom and shit. You won't understand, it's a non cuck thing.

>>140483463
>S-stop telling facts!
Truth hurts doesn't it?

>>140484360
Far fewer freedoms are limited under nationalism than communism

Under communism you are a slave to the Jewish Bolshevik party officials and aren't even allowed to own property

Any policy adopted to fight them was justified

>>140484321
Except that most decent modern western societies were built on individualism.
Fun fact: when they shift to Collectivism they start going downhill.

Congrats on being a top tier state cuck tho

We want Mosley.

>>140481882
Because the only people that want it are the fucking gross and stunted people who inhabit boards like these.

Why is fascism "bad?"
Because:
You're a fucking loser.
Nobody likes to be around you and no one wants to have sex with you.
The only people who like fascism are people like you.
/thread

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>>140484385
>If you fight communists you are the bad guys
This stems from that pivotal point in history when the Marxists won the culture war. I am referring to the defeat of Joseph McCarthy and the vilification of "McCarthyism". He was exposing the communist infiltration of Hollywood and academia. When the media, led by Edward R. Murrow, turned on him and basically discredited the idea of resisting Marxists in our culture, they were free to act. Hollywood turned sharply to the left - compare the movies from the 50's to those of the 60's and 70's. Academia became almost completely leftist (if not altogether Marxist). The cultural takeover was complete, and no one lifted a finger.

Notice the Orwellian finesse in which the Marxists have used demonizing certain ideas - rational rejection of communism and its influence in culture became the hated "McCarthyism". Any rejection of Marxist beliefs becomes bigotry and racist.
Of course there were mistakes made by the anti-communists during the 50's - and some corrections were warranted. However, the victory the Marxists enjoyed was the demonization of the idea of anti-communism in America. This has led in turn to the idea that protecting any part of our culture is wrong, and must be resisted.

Donald Trump is America's immune system finally reacting to this infection. He has the courage to tell the truth about the Marxist lies that we have forced ourselves to believe. He is waking us up to the truth that we do not have to bend to the Marxist ideal.

And this is why the Alt-Left, the Marxists, and the Democrats are fighting him with such vile intensity - he is overturning their one linchpin victory that has undermined our culture since the 1950's. Without that, they have nothing.

There's a reason they don't teach us about the Venona Papers in school, McCarthy was right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Americans_in_the_Venona_papers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project

>>140484496
How that supposed to hurt when I'm against the modern definition of democracy myself?

>>140484201
The nazis restricted anything they deemed degenerate. You couldn't even paint a fucking painting unless it conformed to their standards. That is not freedom.

Communism is only marginally worse than Fascism. Anybody who defends national socialism because they opposed an equally repressive regime is a fucking moron. So if a rapist beat up another rapist it suddenly makes them a hero? This is really the argument you're going to go with?

Because no one should be hierarchically higher up than anyone else.

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Is Jeff Bezos a fascist?

He runs Amazon whose databases are used by the NSA.
>https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/the-details-about-the-cias-deal-with-amazon/374632/

He also owns (((Washington Times)))
>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/31/ceo-jeff-bezos-says-amazon-backs-suit-opposing-tru/

>>140484753
Let's archive
>http://theatlantic com/technology/archive/2014/07/the-details-about-the-cias-deal-with-amazon/374632
https://unvis.it/theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/the-details-about-the-cias-deal-with-amazon/374632

>>140484570
You need collective action to oppose communism and other hostile, foreign ideologies. Humans have always had collective action since before civilization even began.

If you can't defend yourself from outsiders you will die. Libertarianism is the HIV virus of politics.

>>140481882
nowadays fascism/fascist is nothing but an insult. People think fascism, authoritarianism and dictatorships are all synonymous, so when they call you fascist they're saying you are authoritarian. So both left and right are showing their dumbassery when they call each other fascists.

No one besides nerds know what it actually means, or recognize its symbol.

>>140484792
why would you archive that stupid bots

>>140484563
>Far fewer freedoms are limited under nationalism than communism

Dude, the problem I have with NEETsocs isn't the nationalist part, (hell, I even like NatCaps myself) the problem is the left wing part adherent to it

>>140484737
Tell that to the nomenklatura

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>>140481882
They lost the war. And all Fascism is equated with Nazism.

Shame really, Mussolini had a serious edge over Hitler in terms of his governing doctrine and openness to other ideas like that of Evola's.

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>>140484753
It's about (((their))) globalist agenda. They want to run a prison planet of race-less, culture-less, nation-less, identity-less subdued sheep. They make up less than 1% of the world's population, yet look at all they control from the world's finances to the media that brainwashes us.

In short, they use the entertainment and news media to encourage globalism and discourage nationalism and traditional western values. They distort and lie about the present and past in that effort.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice explained:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in decline - Cultural Marxism:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

The Jewish role in the refugee crisis:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfCOO7Z39j0

Leftist subversion explained by former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hWYgPDVX_8

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHa4db3hA0
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A94smJ9QJ5g

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvNNtBmA3SQ

The Jewish role in the porn industry:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwd_Iofr6ZQ

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)
>https://youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412

The Holocaust:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160

>>140484578
Basically if you don't want to be a slave to communism or neoliberal globalism you're a "loser"

t. Billionaires and communists

>>140484697
The right rejected collective defensive action in favor of autistic individualism and as a result lost all power since the left loves collective action and quickly dominated previously right wing social institutions

>>140484711
Lol

Once again libertarians shill for communism

Nationalists allowed ownership of property and political expression as long as it wasn't pro communist.

>>140484891
No, you're a loser because you're a social failure who will never go anywhere in life.

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>>140481980
>Researches as far as reading the name
Good job

>>140481882
Brainwashing: people is to intelligent for fascism nowadays

>>140481882
>So /pol/ howcome people see fascism as a bad thing and fascists as evil?

Because its a totalitarian ideology that heavily limits freedom and encourages corruption and upper class nepotism even more than captialism.
Neo-nazi larpers have absolutely no clue what fascist ideology actually is and latch onto it purely because of its racist and anti-homosexual aspects, while not realizing that in a fascist society, their sort would be up against the wall alongside communists and homos too.

As an answer to communism its better than nothing, but democracy is clearly superior.

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>>140484882
>The Jewish role in the porn industry:
God damnit jews! First you take part of my cock, now you teaching me about big black cocks.

>>140484870
You mean you oppose collective action even if Hough it's the only way to oppose communism, and even though collective action was still around even under the monarchy

I bet you call the crusaders "leftists" too

>>140481882
Because it's prioritises the state above all else, including the people.

It's communism except very nationalistic and not financially idealistic, so basically taxes are decide on what is effective, not because of some notion of profit being exploitive or a fundamental belief in wealth redistribution. In other words it's big nationalistic government.

>>140484875
They lost because America and Britain sided with communists

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We need to knock it off with the Nazi imagery and slogans. With the public so indoctrinated at this point it's just bad marketing -If a movement is to be started, it shouldn't be based on an already defeated movement.
It would also need to account for the target market - Americans on the right tend to be staunchly small-government, making them inherently against any type of facism. Focusing on an example such as the Pinochet regime would be good as the emphasis on *economic* freedom would probably fill this need, and as long as they agree with the more dictatorial social reforms the /pol/ government would put in place, they wouldn't mind as much.
Religion is also a useful tool to use here, despite /pol/'s misgivings about Christianity it's still the number 1 religion in the US and could be used by the new government to try and stop the spread of sexual immorality. Granted, Christianity is pretty toothless when it comes to demographics, but I think that that problem will start to fix itself once we get our values back - evangelical Christians tend to have significantly higher fertility rates compared to non-religious people.

>>140485070
>Only a social failure would dislike communism XD

This is the level of "discourse" on the left

>>140481882
Because a nation who loves its people and holds strong together without allowing others to intervene is a big threat to Jews. It's the only system that works for people and the only system not creating debt for (((them))), just check Nazi germany, GDP grew almost exponentially while France, USA, Russia and UK were being left behind, despite the sanctions on Germany. To not control a country and to not have Goyim making profit for them is the biggest fear of Satan's chosen people. Just imagine if they had no access to host countries to parasite from and had to actually work for a change. Unthinkable

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>>140482703

>he thinks he has freedom

you will swallow whatever Sholomo Bergstein wants to force down your throat

another 60 million niggers in Canda? No problem

aid for Israel? no problem

fight Israel's wars? no problem

no more Canada? no problem

and if you dare to speak out will be outcast from society and even persecuted with the law in some (((((((democratic)))))) countries

democracies are nothing but mob rule where politicians outdo each other in who can convince more people that he's not like the other politicians before him

meanwhile, none of them care about the country they are leading and cater to the interests of supra-national organizations

>>140484797
>If you can't defend yourself from outsiders you will die.

Individualism doesn't prevent you from caring about other people and your country, it simply won't force you to do so. The US is the beacon of individualism and yet no country can invade it and win.
Don't worry tho, I never expected ideolocal cucks to understand that.

>>140483047
>implying fascism is better then nazism

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>>140485225
They lost due to a grand series of strategic mistakes from 1941 onwards. They got smashed at Moscow in 1941 and by early 1942 the Wehrmacht was hugely undermanned and undersupplied.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNDhswF1GKk

>>140485149
Nationalism limited the freedom to be a revolutionary communist trying to overthrow the state and enslave the native populace

That's how you know it was bad. If you oppose communism you're the bad guy. Now what does that say about America during the Cold War?

>>140485353
I never said I lived in a totally free society, but it's a hell of a lot more free than anything from the past century.

>>140485454
Ancap/individualist larping prevents you from using collective action to oppose an invading foreign collective

Arguing that all collective action is leftist is retarded because the original right was monarchism which still used collective action to maintain order and social institutions like the aristocracy

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because putting absolute trust in a single adminstration is naive. we need smaller government, decentralized government. we don't need bigger government even more centralized.

>but if our fascist dictator betrays us we can just get rid of him
lol, yeah, cause dictators are never hard to kill or anything. get real. meanwhile your shit system is still in place to fuck you again with some new wanker

it's naive, and it's dangerous

>oh no you can trust our guy, he'll be great
fuck off

only edgy cringe retards want fascism, they usually want racewar as well. and post psychopathic little posts all day because they're emotionally stunted and often have some form of assburgers

>>140481882

>So /pol/ howcome people see fascism as a bad thing and fascists as evil?

Mostly because people don't want the state telling them how to live their lives. The state exists to serve the people by protecting and upholding their rights. Not the other way around.

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>>140481882

It became an epithet for anyone who supports the military and strong morals.

The work of demonizing Fascism as an ideology begins with the Frankfurt School when Adorno wrote the book 'The Authoritarian Personality', an intellectually dishonest attempt to psycho-pathologise those sympathetic to the Fascist world view.

>>140485454
>US
Lol you want to follow a good example, what a clown.

>>140485506
They lost due to Americans arming and supplying communists with hundreds of billions of dollars in weapons and supplies

The Americans were rewarded for this retardation with a 45 year long cold war against the communists they just armed

>>140483047
dude, every fucking dictator in history has been an asshole, it's not just the nazis

Fucking Hitler ruined it for everyone

>>140485716
You need organized centralized action to oppose communists

Larping ancaps will never defeat communism

>>140485885
>They lost due to Americans arming and supplying communists with hundreds of billions of dollars in weapons and supplies

Not the case in 1941, lend-lease was only a trickle at Moscow, the krauts got smashed by a Red Army operating without significant outside assistance.

>The Americans were rewarded for this retardation with a 45 year long cold war against the communists they just armed

Yes, we know. We're all paying for winning that war now. But it doesn't change the fact that the price of Nazi Germany having Hitler as a leader was them losing WW2.

>>140485182
>You mean you oppose collective action even if Hough it's the only way to oppose communism
Wrong

>even though collective action was still around even under the monarchy
Monarchies are kinda shitty anyways

>>140481882
Is not, the USSR basically turned fascist around the 60s up until 91, and around 2001 they (Russians) started to value fascist ideas mroe and more again.

They are calling it different names tho. They are too much of a pussy to embrace it. Faggots.

>>140481882

because the fascists lost the war

>>140485454
>The US is the beacon of individualism and yet no country can invade it and win.
This has nothing to do with its geographical location. Also federation = individualism? I think you should visit your local GP because you might have a case of being retarded.

>>140485746
Except people in the modern world love the state enforcing Marxist principles on the populace

As someone whose read several books on the subject and an expansive Mussolini biography I can tell you this.

Fascism in its purest form was tried in Italy and italy only. The ONLY tennant of fascism is that the individual sacrifices his own well being for the well being of the state.

Leftist propaganda makes you think that fascism by nature is top down and authoritarian but that is not necessarily the case. Fascism HAD to be top down in the case of italy because the italian people were lazy and family oriented. But in the right nation under the right circumstances fascism can be bottom up. If the people find a cause and a nation that is worth giving their all fascism can be bottom up.

There is a transcendent aspect to fascism where its citizens have an epifany that their lives are meaningless next to the legacy of the nation and its only if they can realize that then fascism can be tried in its intended form

>>140486133
>US individualism can't be hurt by communism

your posting in the wrong timeline anon.

>>140486105
It was hundreds of billions of dollars. Even the Soviet generals admitted without the billions in aid they would have easily lost.

The price of America and Britain supporting communism in WW2 was Marxism taking over the west.

Thats academic historian bs Lend Lease was huge beginning in that time, in fact it was the US entering the war which freed up the USSR ro remove its Far East Army to bolster the West...along with the rolling out of the T-34 tech and (((Big companies))) built the factories in the 20's-30's in the Ural including Thyssen Krupp. Fact is the Germans could have taken Moscow and the subversion factor cannot be missed there is a reason there were so many jews in the Nazi party and Soviet spy rings.

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>>140485979
DUDE
the communists were created to give you this argument. the nazis were created to give the communists this argument. whoever wins, the establishment has already chosen their fascist leader puppet to lead the commies or the nazis, whoever emerges as the victor. it doesn't matter.

problem, reaction, solution. you are being played. they are the problem, they control the reaction (this thread is them doing that right now) and then they provide the solution: more centralized government.

amazing how the answer to too much government, is more government. pretty fucking convenient for the people that always end up controlling governments.

BUT IT'S OK
because the plan will fail, they arrogantly thought they could sell us a shit sandwhich, but only retards want a taste. you're done, it's over. the commies aren't a threat because they're retarded, and so are you. nobody wants communism except for trendy useless fluoride zombie college kids and nobody wants fascism except for edgy useless fluoride zombie shitposters.

now go on shills, run away. stop posting in your own thread now that i've totally fucked you

>>140485715
>Ancap/individualist larping prevents you from using collective action to oppose an invading foreign collective

Wrong. Many ancient Greek city states and countries like the US or the UK until they became collectivist cucks again are based on individualism and yet they defended themselves when invaded.

>>140484496

Your leaders are literally replacing white Australia
and you can't do anything about it

>>140486254
Thinking GP means anything in other languages except fucking Bulgarian, also the guy is right.
The location is crucial but, not the only reason.
Also, federation > same big fucking country all around. Every state can, and has its own laws, yet they all obey some very basic (and well structured) Fed laws.

They (USA) are the birthplace of modern democracy and the Constitution. The one you and every other 1st world (not telling you that Bulgaria is 1st world) country uses.

Little faggot licking Putkin's ass...

>>140486133
>Wrong

Lol go ahead and try to defend your ancap larptopia from a collective force run by a state then

Oh wait you don't have one because establishing an ancap state is impossible

>>140486679

>US


Literally choosing between 2 jewish puppets every 4 years

>>140486595
>greek City states didn't have governments based on collective action

How high are you right now?

>>140486483
>It was hundreds of billions of dollars.

Not in 1941, when the Wehrmacht was decisively defeated and failed in literally all of their major outlined goals for Operation Barbarossa.

>Even the Soviet generals admitted without the billions in aid they would have easily lost.

No. Firstly, they did not "easily" lose at all when they did not have that aid, they devasted the Wehrmacht at Moscow by themselves. Secondly, Germany did not have the capacity to win on the Eastern Front regardless of US aid to the USSR. Fundamentally the aid question is one of whether the war lasts from 1939-1945 or from 1939 to somewhere in the late 1940s.

By early 1942 the Wehrmacht had sustained so many casualties that they had a replacement deficit numbering in the hundreds of thousands.

>>140483047
>people ( Anglosphere )

This was unnecessary, /pol/ knows by now that when you say 'people' or 'humans' you are of course only referring to Anglos.

USSR "fascist" LOLOLOL. it was run by jews to the end.

>>140483047
>Because people ( Anglosphere ) is ignorant, they still confusing Fascism and Nazism.
At least fascism and nazism appear similar on the surface. What I can't really stand is the retardation of ancaps, parading the helicopter meme and Pinochet as if fascism was an economically libertarian ideology.

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>>140486979

the Wehrmacht failed because a painter who thought he was a military genius interfered in military matters

should have stuck to politics

It's not kosher

>>140486800
>if he doesn't shove the dick of an all mighty big government he must be an ancap

>>140486954
Many of them at certain points were. Mainly Athens in their golden Era.

>>140486820
yes, this needs to change
fascism is not the answer
the solution to centralized power, is decentralized power. a return to the original vision of the founding fathers that has since been corrupted.

not some fascist dictator that the establishment has set up to lead you. fuckign idiots walking into a trap. even if he is really /your guy/ it doesn't matter, the establishment will let him create his centralized system, and then they'll take that over.

see, people are catching on to the establishment, they need a way to pretend they've been defeated while still maintaining control.

>>140486558
>the communists were created

Or maybe they just wanted to take over society and only a few nationalists had the balls to fight them

As a libertarian you'd just roll over and let communists take over because "hurr if you fight communism it wins"

>>140487238
sure, it's not like major commie organizations like blm and antifa were funded by the establishment, nothing like that right. they're just an organic movement of people totally not linked to george soros.

and now here's some strawman about libertarians using a reworded quote from justin treedough for some reason. ok

>>140486979
>Not in 1941

Yes in 1941

The only thing that kept the USSR from starving to death much less kept it fighting was American donations

>>140481882

Because Socialism is cancer

>>140487179
>Getting raped by marxism is better than using collective action to defend yourself

Libertarians are the reason the west is dead

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>>140487632
You're denying facts at this point.

People who only have The Greatest Story Never Told for reference always fall apart when dealing with any depth of discussion on WW2.

>>140483728

Isn't the left taking over with the collective state right now?

>>140487574
Communism didn't begin with antifa or blm, genius. The modern communist movement began with Marx.

>>140487632
Oh, and, "hundreds of billions" is incorrect, it was $11 billion total for the entire war.

>>140487933
>On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR’s emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany’s might as an occupier of Europe and its resources

Oh look Anglos supporting communism again what a surprise

>>140488015
>the modern communist mvoement began with marx
the communist movement period began with marx

the modern, modern as in the last decade, increasing popularity of communism, has been manipulated and encouraged by the establishment colleges and universities. and their current organizations funded by george soros who is of course of the the establishment.

the point is, whether we get a communist dictator or a fascist dictator doesn't matter to the establishment. they merely wish to pretend they've been destroyed while controlling the system they intend to replace themselves with. they want one side or another to set up a more centralized government, it will be a nice upgrade for them.

>>140488188
>He doesn't understand the concept of inflation

Jesus Christ this is embarrassing

>>140487991
Because the right is busy larping about muh induhvidulism

>>140488369
Communism was already totally dominating academia post WW2 and never stopped

>>140484578
>argueing with holes

>>140481882
>literally same thing as what liberals want to use to prop up their ideology
>they hate it

>>140488583
and who controls academia? the establishment. it's almost like the establishment set up and supports communism? no of course not

Fascism is an ideology for betas who need to be told what to do and need group validation.

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>>140488246
>>140488392

You're denying statistical facts without presenting any of your own. I can lead a dumb burger to the river but I can't make him drink.

>>140486105
>lend lease was a trickle

We gave you a fleet motherfucka. The BRITISH needed BOATS from OTHER COUNTRIES. Think about that for a second.

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>>140481882
Soviet and Anglosphere propaganda

>>140485119
NO DUDE CORPORATISM IS TOTALLY JUST CORPORATIONS RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT TRUST ME I KNOW LATIN

>>140481882
People hate fascism because it breeds weakness as strength. You need a majority and an Army to enforce your ideas. You can't survive on your own.

>>140489292
>You need a majority and an Army to enforce your ideas
That's sort of the basic principle of politics.

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>>140483964
>>140482703
Democracies, especially at that time, were just opportunities for communism to take over.

For example, during the Spanish Civil War, the Spanish Republic tried to be "free' and "democratic", but the commies just took control, while being funded and armed by Stalin. Meanwhile, General Franco got support from Hitler and Mussolini to crush the communists, and saved Spain's independence and culture.

Extreme nationalism was a reaction to communist subversion attempts in early-1900s Europe.

>>140489639

No it isn't.

The government serves the people, the people don't serve the government. Policing is undertaken by consent of the people and by social contract, as is governmental rule.

>>140489832
democracy, communism, fascism
it doesn't matter
it's all centralized control, that's all the establishment needs. they don't care what system "wins" as long as they control the new system.

people get tired of the old system, demand change, throw out the establishment. and the establishment loves it, because now people think they're defeated, and now they control the new government.

the only thing that gets in their way, and makes the job of corrupting government mroe difficult, is decentralized government.

>>140487694
Says the fucking dipshit living in a socialist country.

>>140490033
That's a nice dream but in reality you just need to get a concentration of power. You with your first-past-the-post voting system, neoliberal/demsoc alternating, always anti-British government and American hegemony should know that just having a goverment that pays lip service to Enlightenment principles doesn't guarantee anything good.

>>140490359

All true, but I don't see why replacing flawed social democracy with fascism is in any way an improvement.

>>140489078
>one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war

-Soviet Marshal G.K. Zhukov

The fact that the American lend lease program was the only thing that kept Soviet communism alive is a cut and dry fact of the war.

>>140481882

It was created by the Marxist Mussolini and through some jewish slight of hand was eventually deemed to be a far right ideology, when technically it is a far left ideology.

Libcucks get super fucking triggered from this fact.

>>140485506
Looks like a boss from Metal Slug.

>>140490602
To be precise they try to shunt it back on lolbergs and cucks in a completely pointless game based around the idea that having an ideology that your opponent doesn't like in vague proximity to your own makes your own ideology worse for the association. It's fucking retarded.

>>140490033
>government serves the people

lol, for the vast majority of human history most people had little to no say in any government policy they were just slaves or serfs with little to no rights.

Communism is just the purest form of state slavery which libertarians, for whatever reason, seem to support.

>>140490602
>fascists are le communists

every time

>>140490513
it's an improvement for the establishment. they get to pretend they've been defeated, throwing people off their scent. while controlling a new even more powerful system then they had before. it's just an upgrade/smokescreen for the people already in power.

it's all been planned. fascists are just useful idiots

>>140490513
So far social democracy has allowed Marxism and leftism to take over every aspect of society.

>>140490818
libertarians don't support communism. maybe establishment libertarians but they don't count.

communism is centralized government, big government, big state in all aspects of private life. it is the polar opposite of libertarianism which is all about smaller decentralized (hard to corrupt and control) government

fuck off with your wildly innaccurate strawmanning

>>140490513
It immediately kills anti-British part, for one. Democratic socialists and neolibs are out the door too- I know some people have problems with corporatism because it's too ree collectivist, but certainly Marxists like that are fucking gone. Red-Jew/blue-Jew in the election system is gone too since you vote through your corporation.

If you've got a hardon for the Enlightenment then it's not an optimal solution by any means but you're certainly getting rid of the problems of social democracy.

>>140490818

>libertarians support communism

Time to step away from the keyboard

>>140490957

>Funny you say that, because I don't feel the effects of a socialist agenda in my day to day life at all. The worst I've noticed is my NI payments going up by about £2 a month.

Fascism is bad because it began as an off-shoot of Marxism.

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Shouldn't you be more worried about your country literally being wiped out?

>>140491796
>I don't believe in the NAP or the free market anymore but I'm still a libertarian because I used to be

>>140491455

I understand why fascism is attractive and the advantages of it, but I personally believe that any society's goal should be to eliminate government and the state as far as is workably possible, devolving power as close to the individual as is possible. Fascism sacrifices liberty for security in the collective.

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>>140481882
>fascism bad, democracy good
Is a Jewish meme. It's because (((they))) can't control dictators.
Most dictators are doing the best for their people because if they don't then the people rise up and over throw / murder him.
In a democracy on the other hand people think they have control so they just vote different 4 years later while (((they))) control both sides.

Essentially the Jews can hold control and we the slaves never rise up because we have an illusion of changing the system every voting cycle. If we felt trapped (like we would with fascism) then we would rise up and change the government by force if the Jews took over anywhere near as much as they have under current democracies.

>>140492024
the establishment hates that idea, because it makes it harder for them to control us. they need a centralized system for maximum corruption. they don't care if that system is communist or right leaning fascism as long as the government is centralized enough for them to control it from the top.

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>>140481882
Geeee, imagine that. See congress. Pic very related.

>>140492024
Thing is atomization is a losing game, it's like ancoms and that one guy who wants to keep his property.
What happens when a bunch of people decide as a collective to team up and ply their common interest? The people who believe in being a good rational individual get shafted and the collective they allowed in do the shafting. Fascism provides a counterbalance against that while not wiping out the individual entirely.

>>140492551
of course they can control dictators
it's literally just one guy you need to control
hell, they'll probably provide the dictator

you think hitler wasn't their guy the whole time? get real. ww2 accomplished many of the establishments goals, it was a manipulated situation

>>140481882

Because humans, while social animals, are not EUSOCIAL. We're individuals. Fascism attempts to take Humanity and turn it into an ant pile, a eusocial organism, same thing with monarchy and soviet style socialism.

>>140492788
>trust us, this one guy is totally cool, you can trust him with asbolute power it'll be fine
no

>>140492788

Fascism hinges on the elimination of the individual, that's how it works. It requires ethnic nationalism as glue to keep everyone invested in the prosperity of the state, where the state is an expression of ethnic identity.

>>140492551
democracy leads to fascism which leads to democracy again, it's the larger march of tyranny like in that political cartoon.

democracy lasts a while, for the reasons you mentioned, you weren't wrong. but then eventually people do get fed up, see the power controlling their democracy, and the rise up, and replace the democracy with... another centralized government.

so the establishment gets to control the fascist dictator while people in general think the establishment dead. eventually people get tired of their dictator and replace him, with another dictator owned by the establishment. and eventually the people demand a democracy. and the cycle begins again.

top down government is top down corruption. centralized and packeged for easy domination of the establishment. only decentralized government is harder to control, a bottom up approach.

MEANWHILE even if your dictator was honestly a great guy, with todays level of technology they could just kill him and replace him with a clone or something and you'd never know. and of course there are less dramatic methods of control, blackmail for example (predicated upon fabricated evidence if need be), family death threats, etc

one man can be controlled. any one man

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>>140481882

USA is fascist country

don you see these fascist pillar US gongress

>>140490818

Aside from the nationalism bit, how are they different?

Pro tip, after WW1 and the communist revolution
DIDN'T take place, Mussolini created fascism because it was thought the the communist revolution failed because of patriotism so bolted Marxism with nationalism...

Really jingles my bell

>>140492763
>>140493499
Thanks for the repost.

>>140493004
>here, just cycle through random bugmen and never force anyone to take responsibility for their rule
>also fascism is totally just one guy running the show, I know nothing about corporatism
Nah.

>>140493154
>Fascism hinges on the elimination of the individual, that's how it works.
Not quite, but like I said it's definitely more collectivist than any libertarian would care for.
>It requires ethnic nationalism as glue to keep everyone invested in the prosperity of the state, where the state is an expression of ethnic identity.
This much is true, though. It's not directly working for the state, but everything is expected to be aligned with the national interest.

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True Fascism has never been tried.

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Don't understand how you can belive you have true "freedom" under libertarianism or democracy.
You must be deluded if you think so

>>140493702
it's top down centralized government and that is ALWAYS corrupted and controlled by the establishment, it's what they've been doing for centuries.

they can try to control a decentralized government, where local and state goverments hold the power, but it's harder. and they can never have that absolute control they desperatly crave. which is why they're always shilling for centralized governments like our failed attempts at democracy and communism and fascism, they love those systems.

>>140481882

Fascism is the reaction to communism. The true solution is to return to monarchy.

>>140495345
yes, because surely the elites have no control of monarchs, never have.

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>>140481882
>Why is fascism seen as bad
jews

>>140484105
Smart m8, it's NatSoc, not Fascism

>>140490521
>Americans are literally the dumbest fucking niggers on the planet.

-German fuhrer Adolf Hitler

The fact that you cant present any source in argument with a dude that is willing to present you with facts show that you are either 11 or absolutely fucking retarded.

>>140496304
This

because fascism has literally never worked out for any country in the history of mankind

freedom, however, has

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>>140495675
Right, because the elites take care of the land for the king.

>>140496635
What is Rome? And don't give me bullshit about how it WAS a republic. It still became the empire it was.

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>>140481882
Well the US is currently operating under economic fascism, and look at how we're doing: monopolies, Wall St., the Federal Reserve...
If an ideology, when applied to a single facet of a nation, fails, it's not worth further application.

>>140496651
lol. those aren't the elites i'm talking about and you know that. the elites run shit, they won't take orders from your king. and your king will be controlled by them or he wont live

>>140494240

>Warning signs

>How can we make a list of bad things, pin as fascist, that makes people, without thinking, move towards communism/ cultural marxism

As written by a fucking commie

Original Fascism as created by Mussolini the marxist was super left wing but this one that you posted looks really comfy.

>>140493935
But things satisfactorily close enough have been, and it was wonderful

fascism is when social order doesnt work then we call in the government.

>>140483377
So how has America been fighting communism since the 19th century without fascism? You fucking larping faggot. Kill yourself

>>140499928
America has only been directly engaged with Communism since the 1920's, EARLIEST, and even then, it only lasted around 10 years in earnest, from post WWII to McCarthy, at which point the infiltration was complete. You know nothing.

>>140494398
I don't necessarily disagree with you. People lust for power, and people that advocate a system often want a piece of the power that system would provide. But I deny that power is inherently bad, and since as you say you'd be replacing one elite with another, you're not really losing out by replacing republican democracy with fascism. If you'd rather ideally go full ancap, that's a point of view I can respect, but swapping out statist regimes then falls to whether one regime or the other works better for what you want.

>>140497983
>fascists = commies

Maximum cognitive dissonance, Nigel. Is this the same thing as "ABE LINCOLN WAS A REPUBLICAN AND HE FREED THE SLAVES"?

>>140501042
The idea that fascism is the only solution to communism is autistic and so are you faggot

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>>140481980
National Socialism took care of all German citizens, had widespread popular support (unlike Bolschevism), and was created for and by the German people (whereas Bolschevism was imposed by a hostile, primarily Jewish ruling elite).

Video related: https://youtu.be/jLmcJIAxSNA

See also:
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/slezkinerev.pdf

>>140501346
I'm not even advocating for fascism directly here, I'm saying that your statement is fucking idiotic. You're suggesting that things have been going just fine in the fight against Communism, which they have not. Our current approach is not effective, and our current means are not enough.

>>140501596
No you moron, read who I was responding to and you'll understand the context of my statement. Thank u kys

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>>140501400
"the Bolsheviks completely failed to win the level of mass public support in free elections which provided the essential basis for the Nazis’ coming to power"
-Richard Evans, "The Coming of the Third Reich"

"The Gulag was headed by ethnic Jews from its beginning in 1930 until the end of 1938, a period that encompasses the worst excesses of the Great Terror. They were, in Slezkine’s words, “Stalin’s willing executioners”
The Bolsheviks continued to apologize for Jewish overrepresentation until the topic became taboo in the 1930s. And it was not until the late 1930s that there was a rise in visibility and assertiveness of “anti-Semites, ethnic nationalists, and advocates of proportional representation”. By this time the worst of the slaughters in the Gulag, the purges, and the contrived famines had been completed.
-Kevin MacDonald, Stalin's Willing Executioners

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>>140481882
because they unfortunatley lost WWII

>>140484578
Oh noes the sheeple dont like fascism.

>>140486134
Its not about being a pussy its about being smart in how to market it to normies. Joe the carpenter with 2 kids and a mortgage doesnt wasnt to fight in a race war but he'll likely vote for a candidate who sticks up for his job, restors law and order and puts more money in his pocket even if that guy is labeled bad by the media. Donald Trump should be a wake up call for fascists. 60 million americans are down for a guy who is semi fascist and a guy who said he might not respect the results of an election. This is huge for us. Sprinkle in some religion and more blm riots and I 100% think we will have our dictator in the next 20-30 years.

>>140490916
Fucking dumbass leaf. If the powers at be wanted fascism they would have already had it by now.

>>140481882
>So /pol/ howcome people see fascism as a bad thing and fascists as evil?
Because people like having a say in their government. Fascists aren't mainstream for the same reason absolute monarchists aren't mainstream.

>>140483827
The hipocrasy of the West is what baffles me the most. They claim to support freedom, but actively support a mass murdering ideology, socialism/communism whatever you want to call it.

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>>140481882
tfw United States will cease to exist within 50 years?

>>140481980
Herr Durr... I want to be ruled and governed over every inch of my life... Problem? I want corporations and govt to comfortably merge and run my life. That's what you sound like, you fuckin imbecile. After communists, fascists are next in line to see the rope.

>>140481882
leftists hate it, jews hate it, normies think its bad because my 6 gorllian. the base of people actually willing to research it is small, some of that group willing to research it disagree with its economic polocey but support the nationalist aspects of it but go anfash traditionalist instead those that dont are the smallest number. it just has to mmuch baggage and disinfo surrounding it.

Because it attacks financiers and its main goals outside of material forces.

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>>140507279
Once you research it in depth, it becomes an incredible red pill.

Jewish communism was unironically much more destructive than Nazism.

>>140506990
Nope. Patriots are so darn cute when they try to act important

>>140485454

>Individualism doesn't prevent you from caring about other people and your country

Not caring about others is the very essence of individualism.

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>>140507620
The German people were right to embrace National Socialism. Had they not, their culture and economy would have been destroyed and run by Jewish elites.

Even though they lost, they managed to hold on to their culture to a much larger extent than if they had submitted to Jewish power.

>>140481882
because adolf fucking kykeler ruined it for everyone

NEVER FORGET HE WAS A JEW HIMSELF

Because it's based in Natural Law. If you look into natural law, you'll find a lot of unpleasant and not so PC truths. Still better than Judeo-liberalism which is based not in natural law, but utilitarian ethics.

>>140507279
>polocey

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>>140481882
Because what everybody relates fascism with is nazism, so yeah, the Nazis fucked fascism for everybody. Look at the Italian fascism, it was alright, I wouldn't say great but nobody could say it was inferior to any other system, and then, bam, the Iron pact, and they started imposing retarded racial laws because of the Nazis, the Italian people didn't understand said laws, they ban Faccetta Nera and other fascist symbols because of the message they communicate, etc.

The Nazis fucked a lot of things, not only fascism.

>eugenics
>national pride
>the fucking swastika, even buddhists get shit for using it

Im surprised retards don't say animal rights are wrong because the Nazis implemented them

Because you can fight communism and other leftist trash ideologies with something else other than "Papa Adolfs loney whites club band" Though Rockwell has som e good speeches on the Natural Laws and why some freedom is given away to invest in a society that increases the quality of its members lives. In short, stop using fascism, try to aggregate angry, more freedom-centric collectives to fight marxist fools with.

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>>140508625
NOPE

https://justice4germans.wordpress.com/2012/10/13/hitler-was-a-jew-a-rothschild-really/

Despite the frivilous claims of foolhardy patriotards and assorted Jew defenders who often masquerade as “anti-Zionists,” the Nazis were not — in any way — covertly funded by, or in cahoots with, Rothschild bankers. On the contrary, the German, French and Austrian branches of the House of Rothschild were effectively dissolved and extirpated by Hitler. Quite a bizarre and counterproductive action of a “Rothschild agent” wouldn’t you say?

FULL ARTICLE: http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/04/05/the-nazis-gave-rothschild-bankers-the-boot/
Nazis free Rotschild seize bank - The Daily News, Perth, Friday 8 April 1938, page 2

NAZIS FREE ROTHSCHILD SEIZE HIS BANK

The Daily News, Perth, Friday, 8 April, 1938, page-2

VIENNA, Thursday.

Whether ex-King Ed ward of England, the Duke of Windsor, had anything to do with it is not announced, but his Jewish friend, Austrian banker, Baron Louis Rothschild, was released today by the Nazis.

But the Rothschild Bank is confiscated.

The Duke made a personal plea to Hitler for the release of Rothschild and others three weeks ago.

But he was given a rebuff.

Hitler replied, ‘regretting his inability to com ply with the request.’
NOTE: Baron Louis Rothschild was held in prison for 14 months in connection with the affairs of the Bank of Vienna, of which the Baron was president at the time of it’s collapse in 1931.

Nazis Seize Rothschild Fortune - Sydney Morning Herald, NSW, Saturday 23 September 1939, page 15NAZIS SEIZE BANKER’S FORTUNE

Sydney Morning Herald, NSW, Saturday 23 September 1939

LONDON, Sept. 22. (A.A.P.)

The fortune of Mr. Julius Rothschild, a member of the well-known ‘ Jewish banking house, has been confiscated by the German Government, states a message from Berlin.

>>140511291
>dude he took the rothschilds money that means he totally wasn't a fucking kike!
god you're fucking dumb

>>140511429
Carolyn Yeager discusses the real genealogy of Adolf Hitler, and the real relationship between Prescott Bush, Fritz Thyssen and National Socialism. Topics include:

“Hitler’s grandfather was a Rothschild” story was invented by an OSS employee during WWII;
“Hitler’s grandfather was a Jew named Frankenberger” story was invented by a condemned man;
Records show that Hitler’s grandmother was not in Vienna or Graz at the time she conceived her son;
There was a relationship between Prescott Bush and Fritz Thyssen and a relationship between Thyssen and the National Socialist Party. But there was no relationship between Bush and the NS Party;
There is no link between Bush-Harriman and Auschwitz labor.

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>>140511429
The rumor that Adolf Hitler was the grandson of a Rothschild seems to have been hatched in the mind of a crypto-Jewish propagandist working in the United States’ first unified intelligence agency, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Not long after, a former high Nazi official, waiting for his execution, “confessed” to discovering a “Jewish grandfather” in Hitler’s background. These fabrications have been thoroughly debunked, and the true story of Hitler’s family background is told below.

Full text article: http://www.carolynyeager.net/fake-legends-adolf-hitler%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cjewish-grandfather%E2%80%9D

shut up japfag

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>>140511429
Shouldn't have stopped at Nagasaki

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>>140508625
Triumvirate: Leadership, development and unity
Adolf Hitler, contrary to his own self-myths and the myths of others, was not poor—at least not until he had drained his savings and entitlements gallivanting in Vienna. Many historians have written that Hitler simply lived day-to-day wasting both his money and time, but in so doing they overlook Hitler’s experiences and ‘life education’ that later played such an important role in the development and direction of National Socialism as well as the Second World War. The development and direction of both can be traced to Hitler’s experiences during those “lost” years.

Hitler, like so many other young German men and women of his day, fell from middle-class status into that of the “wretched proletariat.” This was something that young Hitler refused to accept. He was deeply embittered by his Vienna experiences, which offered false promises of prosperity and hope for young people with enough willpower and talent. The prevailing dissonance of the time and place in which he grew up inculcated in him a burning desire to change these circumstances, which is precisely what he did after 1933. Hitler was so resentful of the class-ridden society that was Vienna, and Austria and Europe generally, that one of his key aims throughout both the peace and war years was cultivating a system of merit. One’s birth station was not what mattered. What mattered were one’s talent, loyalty, dependability and fortitude, notably in the face of adversity and uncertainty. Hitler was able to overcome most imbedded class barriers in two distinct ways:

He recruited both men and women from all social classes and accordingly tailored his speech and disposition to each, depending on his/her social standing.
He supplanted economic valuation with racial valuation.

http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/3/3/3157

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>>140512060
BINGO. SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT TO THE LAST STREET OF TOKYO

>>140512411
It's probably a zainichi or an American 2bf

>>140512537
who cares?

>>140512949
Muh honoraburu grorious nippon still likes Hitler.

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God I hate this website lol.