>Not using an axe to chop wood
>>17134
Hola Dumbo
>>17134
Maybe it's because I was born in the 60s but I never did understand this meme. Do people really try to chop wood with knives? I guess if you can believe Bruce Jenner is a woman then nothing is too dumb
Tästä on jo lanka vitun pelle :D
>>17136
no one on this board batons or argues for batonning, no one.
yet these turbo spergs feel the need to force memes so they can stroke their epeen about how fucking funny they are
>>17138
I baton
>>17139
quit posting bait stallone
>>17134
>opinel in the picture
It's not even broken, i guess whoever took this pic thought he was funny and also a massive faggot for trying to baton with a folded knife.
I always got the feeling the reason that people keep mentionning batoning is because it's the easiest shit you can do outdoor instead of making a campfire or a shelter with natural ressources,
like that one guy that say he play video games and all he do is playing mobile games during transit or "i read books" but only look at the cover and the summary page.
>>17141
look at every baton vid posted
nothing but mid life crisis manchildren trying to immerse themselves in their hobbies through other midlife crisis manchildren on jewtube.
they just want to feel special, end up doing retarded things due to lack of knowledge and horribly sourced information
people here mention it here because they want to be super epic memesters, that's it.
>>17136
It's not a meme, it's a technique just like making a mooring hitch. Useful for many although maybe not exactly you if you don't sail.
Batoning is the same. If you don't have your axe but need to cut wood for example for fire or whatever, then you have two options: baton it with knife or live without the fire. Sometimes without fire is not an option.
If it's a survival situation you want to be extra careful about your knife. You need to know the batoning technique and find proper sized wood and be sensible about it. Also it helps if your knife is of good quality to begin with.
You can of course destroy any knife if you really want to, they are not indestructible. Shit-tier knifes take basically no effort at all to destroy.
Claiming "batonny[sic]ing is a meme" just illustrates how clueless and inexperienced that person is.
>>17143
dude you're a god damn moron, kys
no shit sometimes you need to break down wood, anyone with any common sense can do this without breaking the knife. no one needs to fucking train you in the proper technique you god damned faggot. fuck you, quit propagating this bullshit so we don't have multiple batoning threads shitting up the board more than necessary
i hate you
>>17137
ei toi patonkifägäri tajua sitä, kunhan vain paskapostaa jotain paskaveitsien hautuumaakuvia koko ajan...
>>17144
I hit a spot didn't I Sir Mr. Batonny[sic] von Spellingbee!
>>17146
hit a spot? oh im sorry, did i use big mean words at you? fucking shitbird, kys my man
>>17134
I'll just leave this here.
>>17147
Someone got triggered.
kys familam
>>17149
>Someone got triggered
yes, you did
>kys familam
no u
>>17148
But...he had a hatchet?
I still don't get the batoning meme. I get not wanting to carry a hatchet in your pack (even though they are often lightweight and made for this exact purpose), but why not just gather small sticks? There is no valid reason to slice small logs apart with a knife, just break-off/pick-up smaller wood to start with.
>>17152
>muh survival situation
>>17151
That's the joke. Are you German?
>>17153
You can't gather small wood in a survival situation? You need to dull and risk the integrity of your knife, something you definitely want in top shape for a survival situation? Do you also pound in tent stakes with your head and snare rabbits with your tampon string?
>>17145
Tän langan tekemisestä saa muuten bannit jormassa koska peppukipuinen patonkimode.
>>17155
the joke
your head
>not carrying a sledgehammer and a 5lb splitting wedge in your $900 hand crafted leather rucksack
*tips overpriced flannel shirt*
>>17155
You'd be fucked if you didn't have an axe, while driving a load of logs through a barren desert on a winters night and break down in the middle of no where. You'd freeze because you wouldn't know how to batonny chop chop.
>>17158
>>17159
I hadn't considered this. I'm going to start practising my batoning. You may have just saved a life anon
>>17143
>Batoning is the same.
'no'
Batoning is completely useless.
Fire, even in very wet conditions, is trivially easy to make with found material, and even in the absurd hypothetical in which the only source of dry combustibles in the center of a 3" branch, batoning is STILL useless as to baton such a branch requires a fucking saw, and with a saw you could quarter the branch in a fraction of the time it would take to batony choppy choppy it.
>carrying more than one tool who can do every job
>>17162
Batoning requires a fucking saw now? Christ you're stupid.
>>17164
>foot-long rounds of wood naturally fall off trees
yes it requires a fucking saw you faggot, or were you planning to buck that 10' branch by bantony choppy choppy?
>>17136
I'm with ya there, Gramps.
>>17148
>Breaking blade while battonny with a
Wait
For
It
>with a hatchet.
This irony is delicious.
>>17165
snap off pieces using the crotch of a tree
have you ever made a fire in your life?
>>17168
If the pieces are so small that you can do that, you don't need to baton them further. they are already small enough.
>>17168
>snap 3" diameter branches by hand
if you can break them apart by hand, you don't need to bantony choppy choppy, now do you?
>>17148
>I'm literally shaking now.
Lost my shit.
Scared my dog.
Spit soda on the keyboard.
>>17162
Why do you assume it is summer or at most some kind of rainy day and you can just find burnable sticks anywhere?
When it's winter for example in Northern Europe or Alaska or Canada, the trees can be frozen and they don't burn. You have to split them to get to drier material. If you got a hatchet/axe, use it, if not, you can use your knife.
Anyway. Since you brought up Paul Kirtney in one of your pictures, let's see what does Paul Kirtney say?
http://paulkirtley.co.uk/2015/northern-forest-fire-lighting-fundamentals/
And
http://paulkirtley.co.uk/2014/lighting-a-fire-with-feathersticks/
"Furthermore, as well as the fire platform and feathersticks, by applying the batoning technique with your knife, you can produce a range of fuel sizes, from small splints to finger-thickness and thumb-thickness fuel, right up to larger fuel – all from the same dead-standing timber."
> "batoning technique with your knife"
So try going out sometime you batonny[sic] spelling bee.
>>17148
>-This shouldn't have happened!
>-It'll be okay, hun.
>>17172
>>17162
I can start a fire with wet frozen wood without tools. I've done it on a number of occasions. All this "its for survival situations" it a load of numale bunkum.
>>17175
>emergency situations
Explain one of those situations please.
>>17143
ooooooorrr, leave the commercial firewood behind, collect small wood with your hands and cut medium branches with your feet.
>>17134
After years of knife enthusiasm and collecting, and using knives outdoors in the wild, I've had to by a meme ESEE knife to understand the batonny trend.
It's not because of what you may imagine.
It's to show wear and use on the knives.
Fudds like coated chisel-like knives for batonny because normal knife use does not wear out a knife, much less if it isnt coated.
They have to feel their tool has been used so they can imagine they have lived tons of adventures and been through a lot. That's literally it. That's why everyone demands 1/4 '' thick knives and that's why the market is filled with sharpened prybars marketed as survival and outdoors knives.
>>17178
all purpose knives were born in military
>>17179
Yes but the military knife branch is mainly a civilian market fueled by YT
Most soldiers dont care what they're given or make do, and most special squirrel soldiers always try to adapt as best as they can and use specialised gear when possible
>>17148
>hitting steel with steel instead of using a small log
>the club being used is literally a tool designed for chopping wood
>>17176
You fall in through the ice and lose your backpack when getting out. You have your knife and BIC. You need fire, fast.
>>17148
I'm glad it broke, BG knives are crap, I'm surprised it did not break when he set it on the long before hitting it.
>>17148
anyone have link to the sauce?
>>17182
BZZZZZZZZZZ WRONG
Error 1: walking on bad ice because you don't know how to read ice
No other errors need to be addressed, the first error is bad enough. Ergo, you put yourself into a retarded situation because your lack of knowledge.
http://www.wikihow.com/Know-When-Ice-is-Safe
>>17183
>BG knives are crap
Very true, but it really isn't just the metal. It is how they are designed that makes them really bad. Take this one. See the rivet near the top of the handle? That is where the blade snaps. That's the area of the largest amount of stress and it happens to be the area that has the least amount of metal. When they break it will break on either side of the rivet. Why? Because this type of knife is intended to be used like a machete.
>>17186
it's a parang dude, you are using it wrong if you put strain on the handle. just let the blades momentum do the work and hold it lightly on impact.
>>17186
Those were recalled for that very reason, fyi.
>>17187
Of course, but that is still the area of maximum stress on the blade. They were recalled for a reason.
>>17188
yeah a lot of them failed. i have a gerber machete same design mostly minimal amount of steel inside the handle. have it for like 3 years now occasionally use it. it's still in one piece. my only complaint about the gerber machete aside from the horrendous steel quality and bad construction is the "gator" handle it's fucking shit the machete is not supposed to stick to your skin whoever decided it was a good idea was a fucking moron who never worked in his life.
>>17185
From the link: "Recognize that ice will never be completely safe" (even if you "read it").
So, your argument is that one should never go over ice?
Also, you can't "read ice" when there's a layer of snow over it, you don't see the ice. Unless you bring a broom and remove the snow.
Even when the ice looks just fine, you've ice fished there, everything is good, and then you start moving about to another place and the ice can cave in. It just is like that.
Falling in is a possibility always.
Look, this discussion is pointless. You obviously don't live in northern latitudes 60+ N (I do) and have never probably even been out in a winter when conditions are comparable to a rough winter in the northern latitudes.
>>17188
Is the blade just connected to the plastic handle at the grip? Or is it a full tang but the rivet hole creates a weak spot?
>>17152
Small sticks don't burn when they are frozen.
>>17193
gerber machetes generally have about an inch of a tang and even that is just two prongs.
>>17195
>>17174
I'm willing to bet real money that you have never ever started a fire in your life, let alone wet and frozen wood, without tools.
>>17198
i can light any wood on fire in a minute with my lighter. dripping wet or frozen doesn't matter. jet lighters don't give two fucks.
>>17197
>>17195
>>17193
I have batoned wood hundreds of times, because
1) it's easy
2) tools required for it fit in my pocket
At home I even baton with an axe when I can't be bothered to aim. Anon who is butthurt because of people having fun on youtube needs to chill out
>>17201
>admits to tool abuse
>admits he can't use an axe properly (because lazy)
So, you are so lazy that you can't use an axe but you batonny chop chop?
Uhhhh....
>>17201
>At home I even baton with an axe when I can't be bothered to aim.
How do you hit the axe, with the baton, if you can't be bothered to aim?
>>17196
> Tell that to my rocket stove.
Yeah, no. How do you start the fire in the rocket stove using frozen small sticks? Of course they will burn in a bigger fire or a working stove, but we were discussing starting the fire with frozen small sticks.
Dakota fire pit is not a great idea with permafrost. Digging the hole will be lot of work.
When I was armyfag we used small charges of TNT to make a starter hole for potholes. Once you got through the frozen layer it was OK.
OK, I'm done.
>>17205
No man, I hit the back of the axe with another piece of wood.
When I swing the axe the usual way sometimes I don't hit the piece down the middle so I get a small part and a big part. When I place an axehead where I want it to hit and smack it with another piece of wood I get nice equal parts.
You guys seriously never done this?
>>17206
>How do you start the fire in the rocket stove using frozen small sticks?
Tinder.
>>17207
No. I do this instead.
>>17209
wow that's cool thanks bro
>>17210
Full vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5W6r5U7yBE
>>17179
Point proven
>>17182
>Carrying heavy steel battonny choppy across ice.
>Breaking through ice
Darwin tries so hard...
>>17194
>the inside of wood is warmer than the outside
jesus christ you're an idiot
>>17213
This reminds me.
All these knife testing vids end up with the "best survival knife" being some massive hunk of metal. Which is getting to the range of a camp axe or hatchet anyway (14oz-24oz). Which defeats the purpose of all those "axes are heavy". Why not carry the axe plus a small knife? The combined weight would be less than the winners of all those baton tests. then you'd never need to baton.
Stop being so autistic and trying to force your shitty meme, shit you're almost making batoning look good compared to you now.
>>17214
Go out sometime and try it for yourself Mr. Butthurt
>>17213
Where would you have the blade then, if not carrying it - should it be hovering over you like some sort of sword of Damocles?
Is that your new meme? No knives along when going out? Can I take my skates when rolli g over lake ice or is it forbidden too by Mr. Spastowank von Spellingbee?
>>17216
Seems we've angered a batonny chop chop babby bushkekker here, guise.
I can't help myself.
Baton thread = Shitposting time
>>17218
>Where would you have the blade
On the shore, with me and my backpack while watching you almost drown in the lake.
>>17220
Welcome to /out/, bushkekker.
>>17221
You do realize that to get to all the small islands in this lake in the winter you have to cross the ice. Or take a helicopter. Since this is /out I prefer the former.
Maybe your idea of a good /out time is to stand on the shore. To each their own. No go back to Sobibor and batonnize yourself to sleep.
>>17200
Wow that looks like garbage, why such a flimsy tang on a striking tool?
I got bad vibes when I looked at the knife from this lineup, My shitty senses still work
>>17223
>meanwhile
>>17218
My knife in pocket or belt clip. What about your choppy chop iron? Is it on a lanyard around your neck, bruising your kneecaps with every step, or do you have a sherpa?
>>17223
>Delusionary island filled lake
>Delusionary bushkek skillz
>>17226
There exists axe belt clips in a plethora of stylish designs.
>>17226
It's not an either or deal. Right tool for the job deal. Look at the brightside. Kitchen knives alone outnumber all axes, and even cleavers. You're a winner, Beaver!
OKOKOKOK. Enough with the shitposts. Serious question here. Let's say i'm out in the bush and i got some logs aboot 3-4" in diameter. Then let's say i've managed to chop em into quarters. Now that they're not as thick, what's wrong with taking a knife with a 2-3mm thick spine and a much sharper edge than my axe and batoning the now much thinner pieces of wood to even thinner pieces. All these webms i see posted are assholes chopping through a 4" log with a shitty stick tang blade and no wonder they break.
>>17148
>but mom
i know its fake, but my god if i didn't lose my shit at that
>>17230
Nice quads. There's nothing wrong with it. It's not a moral dilemma. It's common sense.
>>17230
>much sharper edge than my axe
There's part of the clue.
>>17229
>Right tool for the job
Knife=cutting
Hatchet=Splitting wood
Your hypocrisy is bothersome, but I cannot stop. You make it so easy.
>>17234
I find your lack of reading comprehension disturbing.
>>17227
Butthurt again! Did I clip your wings Mr. Spellingbee?
Guess what, geography and nature are different in different parts of the world. This is a hard concept to grasp if you never go out or never travel.
Your absolute insistence on single tool single job makes it clear that you have no clue because you have no experience.
>>17230
That is the thing, there is nothing wrong with that.
You are completely right.
The idiot who thinks he can axe really thin sticks has never tried it. He is just being anal retentive and cannot think outside of the box. Both qualities contributing to a sad end of the story, were he to ever actually seriously go out.
>>17219
>we
No it's just you being autistic.
>>17199
Which model do you have? I'm interested in one that works well in subzero C temperatures. Do you use it upside down when it is very cold?
How long time does it take to light up frozen sticks with the jet lighter? How will the fire keep on burning, when the tree piece, being a tiny stick with a small radius, is impregnated with ice crystals?
>>17199
Tinder doesn't give two fucks either.
>>17215
what the fuck am i looking at
>>17241
An Elite Survivalist
>>17239
>How long time does it take to light up frozen sticks with the jet lighter?
when i tried it with literally dripping wet the wood dried out in seconds and began to char and lit up. it being frozen probably adds a second or two.
>>17134
chopping wood
>>17211
wtf, i love axes now
>>17243
well that's great until you don't have it
>>17177
I was thinking of this stupid picture the other night. I just realized it's fucking stupid and it's the usual ""infographic"" that spergs in 4chan use to push their idiotic memes.
I'm not syaing that a rocket stove is a meme, I've never used it but for what some anons are saying, it seems useful.
However, it still seems like an unessential applicance, and taking with you extra stuff for every aspect, eventually it all adds up and you end up with a huge backpack, and that rocket stove thing looks unwieldy as well; it's fucking huge.
Then there is the alternative: the Dakota hole. However, I know from experience that digging a hole in the ground is not an easy task, it takes a while and to have such a nice whole it'll take a spade, and then what happens to the tunnel between the two holes? If you're not careful it might just collapse on you. The Dakota hole seems inconvenient unless you have a lot of free time you want to spend digging holes.
It's hilarious, they make a campfire look like this thing where you need industrial technology and even chopping down trees. Anyone who has been out knows how easy it is to make a campfire and you end up with the added benefit of keeping yourself warm in the evening.
tl;dr that pic is stupid and it's just a way to make a meme out of the rocket stove
>>17249
It is a troll image. You got trolled pretty hard. Rocket stoves are for LNT and places you can't have a normal campfire. Like all tools, there's a proper place to use them and proper methods of use. You may as well complain about dutch ovens for all it matters.
>>17249
>added benefit of keeping yourself warm in the evening.
You need to prepare for proper weather. Never rely solely on a fire to keep you warm. Always warm yourself before you warm your environment. Eat right and wear warm layered clothing. Anyone who has been winter camping knows this from experience, if they didn't have their father teach them.
Stop using shit knives
>>17252
All knives will eventually be destroyed by batonny chop chop. It is tool abuse, kid.
>>17134
What knives to baton:
Knives made out of spring steel and cheap steel.
Put my Skrama and AISI 420 chopping knife through hell without a problem.
You can baton (or break open a door) with a kukri for eternity but it will dull half the way through a piece of paper.
If you have a knife with a steel, grind (hollow) or a grade of hardening that optimizes it for cutting and slicing use it for that.
Axes normally also are softer with ~56HRC this doesn't apply to Gransförs memes of cause.
>>17170
>>17169
>not tearing whole oaks apart by hand before reducing them to 1000 perfect chopsticks by hammering the back of your knife
>>17215
yeah I arrived at that conclusion after looking to Scandi + Finno Urgic people who live in fat forests and seeing that they often use a hatchet and a puukko. The one tool option is similar to why multi tools often suck from my experience- best to get dedicated ones that do their job well.
>>17254
but why bang on ur knife if you dont have to?
>>17253
that's not how steel fatigue works
>>17258
That's exactly how it works due to cyclic stresses. I told you before you don't know shit about metallurgy, bushkekker.
>>17259
>what is the fatigue limit
>>17260
Something you can't control while a batoning. you may hit the knife 1,000s of time then one day the wood is a bit harder or the grain is twisted or you are tired and it goes over the limit.
>>17261
So you go over once, and put a single loading cycle worth of fatigue on the knife. At that rate, it will be decades before a fatigue fracture happens. I don't know if you've noticed, but chisels and gouges do not regularly disintegrate on the job from fatigue. If you try to do something stupid, sure, they'll break, but that's not fatigue, that's strength.
>>17262
A knife isn't a chisel or a gouge.
Did you not read the posts you are replying to?
>If you try to do something stupid, sure, they'll break, but that's not fatigue, that's strength.
What do you think batoning with a knife is, kid?
>>17259
Now that you've learnt to google, look up the Wöhler curves for various steels, see how much kPa you can excert how many hundreds of thousands of times before a fatigue failure.
>>17243
Why don't you try it on some pencil-thick sticks which have been at -5C or colder continuously for a few months.
Report back with your findings pls.
>>17174
I can do that too, I just make feathersticks with my knife by batoning a bit thicker piece of wood to reach the dry unfrozen insides, then make feathersticks and so on.
>>17264
I think the videos of bushkekkers breaking their "bad steel" knives while batonny chop chop is more than enough evidence.
>>17265
Why would he do that? You need to light the tinder first. It will dry out and light the kindling. Even if you sourced wet tinder from outside that lighter would dry it and light it.
>>17266
Don't you have tinder on you when you go into the outdoors when you intend to make a fire? Also, you can feather wet frozen sticks and light them up when you are using tinder like a normal person.
Wait, don't any of you know what "tinder" is and how to use it? Do you people even know how to start a fire?
>>17267
Yes, you can and should take tinder with you. Egg cartons with candle wax and egg carton mix, or the petroleum jelly cotton pads, you can even use litchen or birch bark or pine/spruce resin, acorns, mushrooms, whatever.
Frozen wet leaves, frozen tiny twigs or feathersticks of frozen wood won't work so well in my experience.
Feathersticks of dry unfrozen wood work fine, to get this you split the wood one way or the other. The center is usually dry for a wrist-thick piece and burns nice.
Generally thoroughly frozen wood sticks of kindling size won't burn without a bigger fire. Using them at the start of the fire just makes a lot of smoke but maybe my skills are shit and I did not say the magic word.
I'd use an axe for the rough work and knife to baton tinier sticks since it's more accurate with a knife. If the only thing I took was a knife, I'd use that and not attempt to baton thicker than wrist size.
Conversely, if the only thing I brought was an axe or I lose my knife, I could do feathersticks with an axe if it were small enough and sharp enough. I don't recommend this though since a knife is easier.
In my experience attempting to "dry" frozen wood while starting a fire is just theory speaking and not going to really dry the wood at all, but then again I'm a bushkekker with a good steel knife.
well i learned this old damp moldy stuff won't burn no matter what you do. And you need a lot of tiny very dry stuff to start.
>>17269
I couldn't imagine the horror of starting a fire in wet/snow forest.
>>17268
Leave wet or dry are never a very good tinder. Most everything else is better than leaves. Feathersticks are the second worst option for tinder. I'm of course talking about sparking and lighting it directly. It is better to have the fine tinder in the center that takes the spark/flame with leaves or feather stick under./around it. I suppose you can call leaves and feathersticks a secondary tinder while tinder fungus, cotton, etc are the primary tinder. Which is how the wet secondary featherstick can be dried.
I've never once batoned with a knife in over 40 years of being an outdoorsmen and making 1,000s of fires in rain, snow, etc.
>>17269
>using wet rotted wood to start a fire
lol wut? Why is that even an option?
>>17272
I thought it might burn, it won't burn at all. I guess I learned something. I swear fires were easy as a kid.
>>17273
only super dry shit from now on. tehe
>>17258
>but why bang on ur knife if you dont have to?
>>17265
>auto-ignition temp of wood is ~500K
>thinks wood at 260K instead of 280K is going to matter
>>17276
Lay off the google, you are too stupid to be good at this. You forgot to factor in the energy requirements of heating all that ice away. Ice is frozen water. It isn't just the temperature.
You can try to burn a paper bag filled with water and it will not burn until the water is gone.
>>17271
You're all right anon. Sorry if I called you names.
Anyway, IMO way easier to start with dry non-frozen wood from inside a piece of wood and grow the fire. Once the fire is big enough it will eat "anything"
>>17277
What ice, candyass? You claimed you can't burn wood that's cold, not that you can't burn wood that's wet.
Not to mention that it's far easier to find dry wood in the snow than the wet, anyway, as snow doesn't permeate.
>>17279
What the fuck... All that moisture and water inside fresh wood will freeze at prolonged subzero temperatures. Finally the wood will be icy and cold and, when burning it, wet.
Except the very inside won't be frozen solid if the wood is thick enough.
What the fuck, did you think the wood will just be -5 C and stay absolutely dry, that's it, nothing else happens to it??
Have you seen forest fires in a Canadian/North European winter a lot?
>>17134
>Not using your knife to carve a wedge to split wood.
Even mountain gorillas can make tools.
>>17280
makes no difference trust me. anything that can dry out dripping wet wood and burn it will deal with ice just as fast. it's about 2600F
>>17282
to put it in a different perspective it can melt most common metals.
>muh icy sticks!!!
Just use green fresh twigs off a tree. They will have less water in them than deadfall that has been rained on for days and frozen. Fresh live green wood is water proof from rain. It is the dead stuff that soaks up all the water. Otherwise, all the living trees would rot inside of a month. In winter they have less moisture since their sap has gone to the roots for protection.
>>17280
>Have you seen forest fires in a Canadian/North European winter a lot?
Pic.
There's more in non-winter months, but some still happen in winter.
>>17284
everyone knows you collect dead branches from standing trees for easy fire. on the ground it can be more wet, and living branches burn with a lot of smoke and hard to ignite (also an asshole thing to cut/break them down).
>>17285
We are talking about sticks that are already wet from rain then frozen. Like 100% soggy dead sticks, regardless of their location. Please, try to keep up.
>>17286
yeah that can happen sometimes but dead branches on trees are usually dry even when everything else is damp.
>>17287
That's true, but the batonny chop chop advocate is making up the scenario here.
>>17228
I offer no objections to the proper use of an axe or hatchet. The point of debate is the mindless justification of obsessive hammering of knives through logs in the name of choppy choppy.
>>17280
holy shit you're a retard
the moisture content doesn't change when it gets cold, you stupid fucking candyass
>bought expensive "army" knife
>tried chopping wood by batting it
>actually works
Just buy something that isn't made of stainless steel and you will be able to cut wood alright.
>>17291
Or, use a proper axe. Is your knife full tang?
>>17219
Hey, that's Giddy from /arg/!
>>17219
Indeed we have. LOL! XD XD XD
>>17196
"kek why you so angry?"
didn't seem angry to me, it just seemed like he was telling someone who doesn't know anything about the topic their pretending to know about to stfu
>>17290
The sap drops in the winter. Anybody who's cut firewood with a chainsaw knows this.
People get way too concerned about others fucking their knives. In normal boreal forest, axe is technically ideal for most purposes you need it for, but if someone wants to be tacticool wood ninja, just let them be. At least people go out and fuck around with some rotten twigs with their pseudo swords, so it's all for good health.
>>17297
1: If you allow people to do things incorrectly and simply look the other way, you and your loved ones can be seriously harmed by their actions.
Example: your child loses an eye from a chip shooting out of a knife blade when it was struck by a baton; because he was with a friend who watched too many youtube vids on elite survivalists
2: If something degenerate gains public praise, you yourself may be forced to go along with it when you are outnumbered.
Example: your child loses an eye from a chip shooting out of a knife blade when it was struck by a baton; because he's in the Boy Scouts and they now teach batoning as the correct method for chopping wood.
>but he has another spare eye
Only until the next camping trip.
>>17297
Also to elaborate. It's funny to think that in "survival situation" you might "have to" do baton chop chop meme maneuvers, nobody stopped to think for a moment and realize that it's absolutely ludicrous to hazard your primary tool to survive by using it a way it was never designed to be used as? You can have the sturdiest baton 2000 knife on you and if it's still on some level a knife in a form it's supposed to be.... It's not gonna last long if you beat it with a log especially when it's stuck in another log.
it's weird to think someone is surprised their tools break when used incorrectly. It's not physically possible to make a proper functional knife that can take power strikes from a hammer.
>>17298
I think it's more like someone is fucking their car exhaustion pipe or ball fondling a hatchet handle. it doesn't harm anyone really, it's only idiots losing money and you have to go into really specific super unlikely situation to matter in any way and you know it faggot.
I'm already outnumbered by manic depressive trans gender tolerating special snowflakes, few more in outdoors community doesn't phase me anymore. It doesn't help beating sense into people if they can't figure out basic things themselves (flawed argument, spare me).
But if hitting your knife with a log makes someones dick hard, who are you or me to judge them for doing it? It's not like outdoor as a hobby is productive to anyone in any way.
>>17300
You sounds a lot like the crew boss who told everyone that we didn't need the bucking spikes on our chainsaws and that we should take them off. He said, "I've never had a saw buck on me so there shouldn't be any problems."
>>17301
Uh, ok? Now that you mention it, I haven't really seen any bucking spikes in any chainsaws in use here. I suppose they are for safety, but yeah. Being a crew boss on people who are supposed to take safety precautions is completely different thing. I consider axe as a must outdoor item for splitting wood, but it's in no way safer than fuck around with hand knife. Like powertools are a lot more dangerous than traditional tools because they can chop your arm off in nanosecond comparing to sticking your knife blade into artery.
>>17215
Got this kit shipping to me right now, if the mesh is a pocket i plan to put my tinderkit in it and make it a general campkit
>tfw you own a stove.
>>17302
>I haven't really seen any bucking spikes in any chainsaws in use here. I suppose they are for safety
You suppose? They keep the chainsaw from eating your face or shoulder if it bucks really bad. Though, your face guard might help you a little.
Use a bread knife. They're surprisingly versatile. Me and a few mates survived a whole camping trip with one as our only knife.
>>17307
I don't even take a knife camping with me. There's literally no need for one. You don't even need to make a fire.
>>17308
This
You literally don't need to do anything, just lie down and let the elements take care of you
>>17309
1: Bring food you don't need to cook.
2: Wear clothing that is appropriate for your climate for extended outings.
People tend to completely fail that latter one which is why they build a fire, they are cold and/or wet. The only time you should need a fire is if you are hunting and plan to eat what you hunt and you don't have a easily portable solar cooker and/or no sun to use.
>>17310
>1: Bring food you don't need to cook.
Easier said than done for extended trips, ready made meals take more space and spoils real quick. I also need to be able to cook the fish I forage
>2: Wear clothing that is appropriate for your climate for extended outings.
D'uh
>>17237
>The idiot who thinks he can axe really thin sticks has never tried it.
>>17311
>ready made meals take more space and spoils real quick
Dried food lasts for years and only need a container/bag of some sort to hold them.
>>17312
>using a tool incorrectly results in personal injury
That's what this entire thread is about. View: >>17209 for a proper axe kindling technique.
>>17230
What is feathering
What is tinder, kindling, firewood
>>17313
I bring pemmican. Still need to cook my catch though
>>17316
Where did I imply that? Retard
>>17317
see
>>17310
>doesn't know about ready to eat, shelf stable foods
>doesn't read all of a post which completely negates the need to post what he posted
>>17136
Why do you fuckers always have to make everything political? We get it, you're retarded. Keep your retardation to yourself.
>>17174
Nah, you've never done that, son. Go back under your bridge where you belong.
>>17320
That's pretty easy actually.
>>17319
Fuck off reddit this board is pro trump
Been processing logs with a buck knife for 10 years.
It's still sharp.
Perhaps this isn't a tool issue, but more of an issue regarding middle school physics.
>>17322
However you feel about the guy personally, he's patently anti-/out/.
>>17324
>he thinks /out/ is for enviromental extremists
Laughinggirls.jpeg
>>17323
>pretending ten years of use and the knife is still sharp without needing to sharpen it
Fucking liar. You'd have to use it 1 time a year to keep it from dulling in that amount of time.
>>17138
I baton and I don't care about breaking my knives because I'm not a poorfag. These faggots should burn
>>17326
If you chop wood at the correct angle it sharpens your knife for you, you dirty city person.