homegrowmen

US Farm Income and Taxes,
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx

US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml

Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,
http://agr.wa.gov/Marketing/SmallFarm/managerisk.aspx

Chicken info and forum,
http://www.backyardchickens.com

Rabbit guide
http://www.agriculture.gov.tt/publications/manuals/rabbit-production-a-producer-s-manual.html

A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm

Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/

Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/

Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php

Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org

Insect Habitats for attracting polinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs, butterflies, etc.
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html

Toad and Hedgehog Habitats,
[YouTube] Toad Houses (embed) [Embed]
http://familycrafts.about.com/od/frogcrafts/a/How_To_Make_A_Toad_Village.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/hedgehog_home/
http://www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/leaflets/L5-Hedgehog-Homes.pdf

Chili Peppers
http://www.fatalii.net/

More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture,
[YouTube] Aquaponics (embed) [Embed]
[YouTube] Aquaculture: Cage Culture (embed) [Embed]
http://www.appropedia.org/Aquaponics

Sourcing plants from the grocery,
http://www.diyncrafts.com/4732/repurpose/25-foods-can-re-grow-kitchen-scraps

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Anybody here ever made hot sauce?

>>618823

yes

>>618826
Worth it? Labor intensive? What kinda peppers did you use?

>>618823

Yes, easy to do. Just make sure your kitchen is ventilated! And wear latex or nitrile gloves if you plan on jerking off later.

I used jalapenos and a couple habaneros I believe. It turned out ok, thicker than I wanted.

Are there good sources on NFT hydroponics? I don't have the space for big tubs for fish like with aquaponics

I'm short on money, a cold frame is too expensive in my country an my plants are not doing well on the hot sun. I was about to trash a lot of old clothes and pieces of cotton/polyester fabrics then I had an idea. If I sew them together and poke some holes, will it works as a cold frame? These clothes cant go to donation because they are past the point of usable.
Also I don't know how you call it but you don't see these plastic cold frames on my country, here they use a kind of mesh that creates partial shadow.

Hey! New grower here. One of my three tomato plants is super droopy. It's exploding out of the ground and hadn't put out any tomato's until recently but now that it is fruiting some parts of the plant feel like tissue paper. Especially the growing tips. What gives?

It was turning purply about a week ago so i stopped watering it and havent watered since but it is still putting out TONS of suckers and is super bushy and droopy. Any helpful hints?

I just dropped in here, no idea what I'm doing

I live in an apartment with 5 other people and a 50 sq ft patio that doesn't get much sun most of the day, what would be the best I could do for growing my own food?

>>620616

How many hours of sunlight?

You need minimum 6 during summer for most vegetable gardens.

>>620620
the patio is against the wall of our building facing west then about 30 feet across the way is a line of 2 story buildings that obscure the last hour of sunset on average I'd say, ballparking here.

long nights during summer I'd say 6 hours is attainable. my girlfriend grew some tomatoes for shits this past summer and the biggest of them turned out maybe slightly smaller than a half-dollar, I'm just looking to possibly try something more significant whenever it would be ideal, high yield and compact.

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Planted this lemon tree about 4 and a half years ago from seed. It flowered back in April for the first time, and I've been waiting for them to ripen. They're finally close, but I had to bring them in for the winter before I get to eat one.

>>620616
>sq ft
Murrica, right? Even here in the overcrowded Rhine area of Germany, you can lease a square metre (~10.8 sqft) of farm land relatively close to settlements for about €0.50 per year (buying it is around €4-10 depending on microclimate, south-facing designated wine-growing areas are more expensive than north slopes) and the soil is pretty good quality for growing anything (that's one of the reasons it became so densely populated in the first place I guess)
So for the other side of the pond I'd probably guess 1/100 to 1/10 of our price (probably even much less in bumfuck nowhere like Montana), so if you have the time for it then I'd really recommend you to rent a 1000 m^2 or so spot somewhere near you, should be more than enough to self-sustain for at least potatoes, maize, tomatoes, veggies, spices etc.
We only farm potatoes on about 120 m^2 (directly in part of the back yard) but it lasts 5 people almost through a year while eating potatoes every 2nd-3rd day (still buying pasta, meat and so on from store though, we do it just for fun because the space is there so why not)

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>>620654
Forgot pic, view of the potato field in May

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>>620647
That's nice, I'm usually reading about them needing up to 15 years to flower if pulled from seed (but that's probably considering our rather cool and dark climate).
Planted one just for fun back in May, took until July to sprout, now it's about 9cm "tall" (stem height), had to bring it indoors too about 2 weeks ago (no frost yet but got dangerously close)
It's on the south window, but despite the lack of sun this time of the year (50°N latitude) it's still been growing remarkably since then
Not hoping to get any remarkable fruit growth (don't wanna mess with grafting) anytime soon, just wanted it as ornamental plant and because it smells nice.
Some weed or wild flower is growing in the pot too (right side), didn't remove it yet because I'm curious to what it'll turn out to be

>>620654
>>620661
Looks great. My uncle lives along the Rhine as well (Wiesbaden) and when I went to visit he showed me his farm lease as well, along with some fish in a barrel he was feeding.

There are a couple of places near me that do a similar thing but I work an office job most of the day and couldn't manage something of that size, I was hoping I could just get some kind of potted plant patio farm going, maybe I should just focus on an herb garden or something else small.

How many man hours a week go into your farm would you say?

>>620668
I read that too, but here were we are. I didn't water much last winter, wondering if I stressed it into flowering.

Mine don't really like it inside. If i bring them in too fast they drop lots of leaves, but they grow back eventually. I live near Chicago, so they spend almost half the year inside.

>>620673
>Wiesbaden
Kek, I'm in (and from) a village just a few km away from Mainz on the other side
Eh, stuff like potatoes isn't too work intensive, takes a couple hours to put them into the soil in March/April, then some weeds have to be occasionally removed every 2 weeks or so (we hack 'em out but you could also use herbicides if you're lazy - won't work against the way too common black nightshade though because it's too closely related to potato) and by the end of June, early potato cultivars can be harvested, stretching to late cultivars ready for harvest by late September, it's always good to diversify a little there to get a long season of freshly available ones

An area our size can be easily maintained by just caring for it on weekends (with everything from planting to harvest being done by hand, without motorized machines but just the right tools), of course if you want to go bigger or even commercial things will take you longer

This year we had a drought though and didn't water anything (besides the tomatoes) so the harvest was significantly smaller compared to previous years - but such an extreme lack of rain is a very rare once per decade thing (usually summers are wet), so in such cases you either have to spend money on irrigation (tap water is expensive as fuck here with €3-4 per cubic metre) or be content with smaller harvest

(cont)

>>620683
(cont)
Also you don't have to start that big, maybe just a 100 m^2 or so patch in the first year to supplement your diet and get an idea is enough, just so you get a taste of it, which you won't regret because things just taste better, period (this is especially true for strawberries - even the ones you can buy at farmers' roadside stands are way too watery, tasteless and selectively bred for mass, compared to the ones of your own garden - let's not even talk about the supermarket ones which taste like absolutely nothing)
>>620682
You should read up on "Winter leaf drop" in citrus plants (google it) - tl;dr, if citrus plants are placed cold but sunny in winter, they will shed leaves from what I understand. So you either place them cool and dark (in that case they'll drop some leaves) or light and warm (minimal leaf drop), I'm trying to go with the latter - during nights and on cloudy days the soil in the pot will be around 15°C, but on the rare sunny days might go up to 20 or above - just make sure that the soil temps won't stay below 12 for extended periods while the plant simultaneously receives lots of light

>>620691
I might try that, rent a small plot with potatoes and squash, work it on the weekends, I could probably do herbs at home as well. Thanks for the tips, I'll check out the OP guides and read up.

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Carved the big guy, too bad it's raining.

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Not much going on with my flowers, but I did drag some rocks home from work today.

Could anyone recommend a way to improve grafting on a plant? I accidentally knocked my Black Current bush when I first got it, and almost decapitated the damned thing (around 90% detached at break point). I secured it with tape, and it has started to reattach somewhat in the last 3 weeks (80% detached now). The foliage above the break-point is still healthy. I'm just wondering if there is a way to speed up reattachment or reduce the risk of infection, or if I should just remove the cane.

>>621811
that is fucking beautiful anon. perfect use of its shape!

you use the seeds from that bad boy or what?

also, what did the trick or treaters think??

>>621993
what worked for me was cutting a plastic straw short and then lengthwise on one side and wrapping that around the graft with tape

the straws cylinder shape holds it rigid and lets a little air in if you dont tie it too tigh

>>622029
Thank you, I will try that tomorrow!

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>>621997
Thanks, I just grabbed my saw and let the muses take me...going to plan better next time. Everybody loved it, they were even taking pictures with it. I gave a couple kids some of the seeds and I'm saving the rest to plant a giant pumpkin patch. Going to make some snowmen style guys next year.

>>622631
can you just plant punkin seeds like that and grow fruit-bearing vines? i thought there was more to it than that. i should have bought a pumkpin this year, baked half the seeds, dried half for spring planting

I mulched my garden bed with about 6 inches of pine straw. Gonna let it lay over winter. Good idea or bad. Also used pine straw to mulch a couple fruit trees.

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>>622670
doesn't that make the soil acidic? hence why nothing grows under them...

>>622677
Not him, but I've heard that, but I've also heard that it's a great general purpose mulch for everything.

Not sure what to believe.

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>>622659
You want to stick the seed in a nice hole full of compost, but yeah...that's all there is to it.

>>622677
Idk man. I really don't want anything to grow over the winter though. It's more to keep the soil covered and all that. I guess I will report back with my findings in a few months.

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>>622659
>>622691
Oh and depending where you live, squash borers are a bummer. I haven't really figured out a solution for those yet. No desire for pesticides and row covers would keep the bees out. Going to try some decoy plants and attracting some wasps next year. Powdery mildew was a problem for a few of my plants as well.

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Picked the kiwiberries this weekend, hoping to make some jelly when I pick the rest of them

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I got lazy and didn't plant any fall crops, but there are still things to find. I didn't even get all of that carrot.

Fungus gnats are kicking my ass, how do I wipe them from the face of the earth?

>>622677

Slightly. Unless you have plants that are extremely sensitive to soil ph you will be just fine.

>>625107
What's that small red one right above the pepper?

>>625232
I had a horrible infestation in the summer with the houseplants, so I just used fly tape to drastically reduce their numbers.

Where to get a cactus and grow it successfully? I want it to last years and grow.

>>625550
looks like a radish

>>625232
eliminate the cause that is all you can do or they will always come back, maybe something in your soil or they just find the plant tasty?

>>625719
they grow wild pretty much everywhere here in florida, plant them in sand they really dont need much to grow just give the roots space. try prickly pear cactus if you dont live in super warm areas, i hear it does alright farther north

>>625719
dont flood the cactus with water, they store a lot in the pads. i never water mine but theyre outside, water sparingly if inside. being that they store water in the pads you will see them slowly dry out before dying with a lack of water because the plant will use up all its stored water if it doesnt have any

Has anyone here tried straw bale gardening? I bought and fertilized 3 bales after the recommendation from a gardening aunt.

They are holding WAY too much water in the bottom! I have sandy soil, but the bottom 3rd is like wet mush! Every seedling I planted died of root rot by week's end.

My problem is getting better since I gutted it every few inches along the bottom, pulling out the wettest stuff and fluffing the rest up, but it seems so counter-productive... maybe it's for those who want to transplant bigger plants and never water?

>>625232
Get a medium sized cup where the inner surface of the bottom is completely flat, not concave. Fill it with vinegar until it is a centimeter deep. Add a SINGLE drop of dawn dishsoap in the center.

Put as many of these around as you want.

>>625719
Aloe vera, make sure the it's a strain of aloe vera that grows huge.

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First haul of the 2015 pecan season.

>>625729
Definitely an onion >>625550

I do a bit of mushroom farming. I usually use already inoculated substrate, but I'm currently isolating some mycelium in petri dishes so I can inoculate my own substrate.

Pretty excited!

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>tfw spider mites wrecking my shit
I left it too long. Should've been paying attention. I don't know whether to throw the plants in the trash (since they're obviously weak) or to move them away from my other plants and soak them in pesticide. At the moment the most vulnerable plants are acting as breeding grounds for the mites, and then those mites try to spread to the more resistant plants.. Which also means that even if I cure the most vulnerable plants, I guess they'll get re-infected so that makes me want to just throw them away.
If I caught it months ago it wouldn't be so bad. This is in a container garden. I lost another plant to mites a couple years back too. I'd rather not throw them out being that I have four different kinds of plants infected and they're quite pretty. Two of them I haven't seen flower yet either, I grew them all from seed.

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Jalapeños from the grocery store suck

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>>618806
anybody know their /plants/ ? we have these reallly hot peppers, but i don't have a clue which kind they are. orange/yellow-ish in color, not wrinkled but smooth skin (when they were fresh) and they are hot AF.
but yeah, it's about 20-30 of them and we harvested a few.

>>626875
Looks like habanero peppers to me

>>626875
Tiger Paw Habanero or Habanero Orange

Burkina Yellow is also a possibility, but as the name says, they are yellow

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Any of yall ever tried grafting? Any tips? This is my first time trying, a piece of my bell pepper got knocked of in a storm so I'm trying to get it to grow w/ my jalapeños

>>627812
Godspeed, anon.

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>>627812

Try to line up the plant tissue correctly. Try to prevent pathogens from getting into the graft.

If that picture is the graft, you may want to try an additional graft with a smaller scion that has less leaves.

>>627908
Yeah I realized I had the shit all fucked up I cut about half of the scion off. It was way too thick. How long you reckon before I should peel off the plastic wrapping?

>>625733
>>625952
I have no idea where they came from, I think the potting soil was infected with them or they must've got in when I had my window open. I had to bring the plant back home, dig up the plants, completely wash the roots off, spray the hell out of it with pyola then washed it and soaked them in a bucket of water for two days, and reported them in fresh soil, things look fine, but I couldn't take those gnats anymore, i treated it three times with BT and there was no signs of stopping the infection. The plant is now in a sunroom alone, I think I may be safe. Thanks for your advice anons

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>>627908
Here's a pic of the cleaned up scion. I'm not thinking it'll take but I'm not sure

I'm very new to gardening. As in I literally just decided I want to get into it. What are some good beginning resources?

>>628991
Depends on what you want to grow.

>>625735
>prickly pear cactus if you dont live in super warm areas, i hear it does alright farther north
Hoosierfag here, can confirm; prickly pear cacti grow here just fine, even if left outside over winter.

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Nobunny is safe from the Yorkie-Poo.

>>628991
Just grab some seeds and go for it.

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R8 my parsnip pls.

>>629527
Fat ass fuck desu

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My aquaponics 1/5

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not in my house but really close.
some friends and i rented some cheap land (i'm from argentina) and we are trying to get some permaculture/organic/biodynamic stuff, and it´s going pretty well.
we have a nice veggie garden, that grows mixed with the indigenous woods (we call them "monte"), 7 has of biodynamic corn and wheat, and we are experimenting with an ancient mexican way of sowing called "milpa".
i know, sounds kind of hippie, but we aren't. in fact, a couple of us are agronomists (is that a word?).

this is the wheat right yesterday, you can see the monte behind. 1/4

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>>629696
the veggie garden.
right now we have cauliflowers, broccoli, a wide range of tomatoes, onions, green onions, ruibarb, carrots, peas, broad beans, garlic, a lot of herbs...

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>>629698
more garden, with some monte behind.

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>>629699
some nice cauliflowers.
the trees you see are a patch of monte, they are not very high, but spiky as hell. behind the trees is the garden.

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>>629701
mulching the milpa designated area.

>>629696
That's really cool, how many acres? Is the land expensive to rent?

We are getting ready for fall and next year. All that's growing in our garden is the tomatoes, they have some green tomatoes that we will pick before first frost this month.
Rebuilt the compost heat/bin; cleaned the ornamental garden and will plant daffodils & daylillies (gifted) asap, plus some 1/2 off tulip bulbs. In my veg garden, just reshaped the mounds that the chickens had flattened, and made a fence so they can't do it again. They didn't do this last year, new favorite hobby, assholes. Gonna get some winter wheat in for cover crop, a little spinach etc, though our days are so short now it may not be any use, and try to find some pine needles or whatever to use for mulching the beds without paying for it.

I finished my tumbling compost bin today-- y'all wanna see?

55 gal barrel with a door on a spit roast and stand. Being an idiot when it comes to anything hands-on, it was an exciting learning experience.

>>629806
yesh

>>626709
Get a shit ton of oranges, peel the oranges, make orange juice, eat them, preserve them, whatever.

Now take the peels, boil them in water until you have orange peel tea.

Take the tea and put it into a spritzer bottle. Go out and spritz the spider mites until they die.

Pleasure yourself each night to the widows and orphans wailing in grief. Knowing that tomorrow they will join their spouses and parents.

>>628991
Basically, google what kind of plants do best in your specific area. And remember, there are a LOT of beneficial plants to have that aren't necessarily edible. We love having hollyhocks because they attract a lot of pollinating birds/insects. And the more pollinators you have, the more fruit/vegetables.

Other plants will keep away pests from your gardens.

Once you have found the plants that do best in your area, do some more googling to find the best way to raise them. Some need to be planted early on in spring, some need to be planted later. And for the ones you want regardless of whether or not they do well, google ways to help protect them from your local environment. Such as starting the sprouts indoors mid winter, then transplanting them mid/late spring outside.

I want to use my pee as a leaf fertilizer. Does anybody know the correct proportion of water to dillute it?

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[spoiler]Ornamental plants[/spoiler]

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Have you guys ever heard of Yuzu?
It's a hybrid citrus fruit from Japan, that looks similar to a lemon but has some distinct differences.

I managed to buy a fresh one recently, and since it's a seedy fruit I got a few dozen large seeds from the tiny thing. I don't know much about growing them, only that it's supposedly a huge pain taking at least 18 years. Anyone here tried to grow some?

>>630069
https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=94

Keep it in a pot in a humid place

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>>630069
I'm >>620668
Got just a regular lemon though, but in general when it comes to germination most citrus plants should be similar.
For planting the seeds, I first carefully removed the outer shell, then soaked them in water for a day, then put them on a moist paper tissue and placed that into a sealed plastic bag, which then was placed on an outside window sill on the south west side, but only 1 of the 5 seeds eventually sprouted into a twin (I suppose excessive heat may have killed most of them - meteorological air temp peaked at 40°C in early July so local temps on the window - black framing and sill is mostly dark stone) might have gone up to 60°C), still growing steadily, but have to rotate them every 2 weeks or so because all the leaves are facing the window after a while

Also if it's a non-stabilised hybrid, plants from seeds will likely not have the properties of the mother plant and sub-par fruit instead

>>629990
There is too much ammonia in urine, it will kill plants, no matter how diluted it is.

>>630220
Thank you for the advice! Canadian grower here, so I doubt I'll have much luck.
If I don't have a good spot for sunlight, will a UV lamp do?

>>630323
Oh I'm at 50°N too, so yeah if you want to start now you may need some extra artificial light in the evening hours (or wait till around February).
Of course you can get a special plant light with red and blue peaks for optimum results, but if you're too cheap like me, a regular 10W warm white LED placed a couple cm above will do too

>>630500
Hey alright, this is starting to sound more appealing.
I think I have a few UV Lamps lying around from when I had reptiles, I suppose those would work as well.

Currently soaking the shelled seeds in water, does it matter what temperature? Since it's pretty chilly up here the water is not exactly room temperature, dropped to somewhere around 62 F overnight.

>>630546
Well, I'm mostly a beginner myself so don't take my word for it, but I don't think UV is that great and I'd rather use a normal lamp if I had to choose between the two
Oh and as long as it's not like freezing, it shouldn't matter, I'd say anywhere between 15-25°C should be OK for germination (just takes slightly longer the cooler it is) but be patient anyway, can easily take 2 months before anything happens
The challenge is to keep things moist enough for the seed but not too moist to avoid mold and shit, so if you have access to chinosol you might consider applying some

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Hey guys, am I germinating my tomatoes right?

They grew roots in the Baggie method and I put them in this mini greenhouse hoping they'll sprout in there.

Thoughts?

Just moved to FL and looking to start up a garden, what's good to grow here? I was hoping for raspberries, but I hear they're really hard to grow in Florida, has anyone here had success with them? Tips?

>>629990
1:10 is what I always heard, and what I've been doing. Haven't seen any problems.

>>630586
Don't leave that contraption in the sunlight covered like that; you'll bake the germinating sprouts and they'll die. If you want cover it like that at night to retain heat, but open it during the day or hide it in a shaded place, but don't leave it covered like that in direct sunlight.

>>630299
Healthy fresh urine shouldn't have any free ammonia, it is bound as urea which is actually used as fertiliser

Have any of you /diy/ anons in colder climates tried building your own greenhouse?
Was it tricky to get working, and can they be made to be somewhat mobile?

What are the best plants to grow indoors during winter? Something I can eat, not for decorative purposes. It also stays pretty dark here during winter, but I do have tons of windows in my room.

>>631382
Generally you're pretty much limited to herbs like oregano, thyme, rosemary, laurel (unless you want to use huge ass pots for growing stuff like potatoes out of season - not worth the effort desu, you won't harvest much and will have to deal with parasites a lot), but even some herbs will barely work without artificial lighting when it's too dark, at least here (50°N + oceanic cloudy climate) you can forget about basil even on south facing windows

>>631436
Alright thanks,
what about something like chamomile or green tea?

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>>631446
Haven't got personal experience with those, but at least tea can become quite a shrub, so if you have the space (huge pot) maybe try it. It grows in somewhat shady conditions but high humidity areas, the latter could be a problem indoors in winter, so maybe if your winters aren't too cold, try planting it in the graden?
It's also only harvested after a couple years though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea#Cultivation_and_harvesting
Chamomile is a small enough plant for the window sill but grows best in full sun

I do have some lemon balm growing in a ca. 20x10cm rectangular pot on my window sill additionally to the ones in the garden (the outside ones will die soon above ground but will re-shoot from root in March), but at this stage they're not really producing more than about a cup's worth of tea per week yet, sown in mid September, maybe will grow faster once established, we'll see

odd question. but lets say i wanted to travel with a plant. what would the best way of doing this be? i was thinking of getting one of army pouch things and setting the pot in that to carry it on my backpack. the plant is a ginger plant btw

any help apreciated

>>631476
Thanks, I'll look into it

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Ok, the mistery plants keep growing and growing, I still don't know what they are, but one of them is gaining a lot of territory, is there a way to separate them into different pots? if so, how?

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>>629806
>>629836
Here it is. I am not mechanically inclined, and this was the first time ever building anything. It was a fun learning experience-- now to wait and see if it was worth the effort.

It gets hot during the day, at least 90-100F. I turned it sideways today to let it get more sun, maybe it'll get even warmer.

>>632270
That's pretty cool man. How do you load it?

I planted all of my garlic bulbils and cloves on Sunday. They were from a bunch I tried to propagate, but didn't get any sizeable bulbs, but I let them bolt so hopefully I'll be able to propagate them further this year.

>>628991
What kind of gardening? Do you want to do flowers? Veggies? Grass?

Gardening is the most popular hobby, so there are tons of resources online. If you want to do flowers start with very hardy plants like daffodils and other perennials that are hard to kill. Lariapi is an ornamental grass that is perennial, makes for nice borders and is very difficult to kill. You can dig it up, leave it in a wheel barrow for a week before transplanting and it will still survive for the most part. Daffodils are pretty, hard to kill, and can practically be transplanted at any time without worrying about them dying.

If you want to do vegetables you'll need to pay more attention to your climatic zone, what you can grow and when you can grow it. I'm in Virginia right now and pretty much the only thing that is being planted are onions/garlic/etc. Of course there are also winter row crops like wheat, but for the backyard garden options are limited.

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does the arborday foundation really give you 10 free trees for just $10 subscription? pic related.
arborday.org

I just planted my peonies for the winter. Need to get my windbreak started as well.

>>631916
Take the earth ball out of the pot then put it into a container with water, it should be easy to separate them gently with your hands. Prepare a new pot with earth to plant them in beforehand. You can reuse the earth-mixed water to water your plants.

Alternatively you can spray the earth off with a hose.

>>632306
But they'll also send you 10 trees worth of junk mail. Really, I have no idea.

>>622631
Saved. Beautiful.

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>>632288
A small foot wide hatch I cut out the side. It's not perfect, but it works.

Screwing the handles in was legitimately the hardest part of this whole project.

>>626273
What kind of pecans are those?
We're getting ours up too. So far they've been pretty fat.

>>630549
Status report: Two days in and most of the seeds seem to be splitting.

I suppose yuzu seeds are a little different than lemon seed, but the roots seem to be starting. I've just kept them by the window in a plastic bag with the damp paper towel like you said, seems to be growing well!
How long should I keep them like this?

>>632624
Well yeah, I've also heard lots of reports of citrus germinating within days, maybe I was just very unlucky with that myself (or I baked them in the summer heat as I said above)
I'd say as soon as the seed leaf unfolds and the root is about 2cm long, take them out of the bag and gently replant them into a pot. If there's only a single, very long root, you might prune it to half its length before replanting, this way the root will grow more three-dimensionally

Also don't but them cold and sunny over winter, for a fresh seedling I'd recommend warm and sunny (south-facing window), in later years you can also put them cold and dark
The reason why sunny+cold doesn't work is winter leaf drop, root ball should at least be 15-18°C if the leaves get sun (else the leaves have activity but the root doesn't - water cannot be delivered to the leaves so they are dropped)
Warm, + dark shouldn't be done either, or else you'll get very weak, fragile growth due to etiolation (the plant does that to "search" for a light source if i's warm but dark)

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Ok, separated the plague plant from the others, I was gonna put the mistery plants into separate pots but their roots are just too damn entwined, but the other plant didn't even bother getting close to the others' roots, crazy how nature do dat.

>>632733
Those look like some type of pepper to me.

Anyone have tips on growing papaya from seed indoors? I tried it a long time ago and pretty much all the seeds sprouted but they all only got two true leaves max before they fell over and died. Want to try again and get a bunch of big guys this time, but I want to know if I did anything wrong or if it's just difficult to grow them from seed from store bought papayas.

>>633033
Agreed, pretty sure they're peppers.

>>632733
>>633033
>>633066
yep its grass

nice digets tho

>>632733
If it "magically" grew in your pot, chances are it's black nightshade or something related, around here it's a common as fuck weed.
Some even grows inside a crack of the balcony floor, fuck who knows how the seed got there
The ripe fruits are actually edible and non-toxic - quite an acquired taste though, hard to describe, but only if you're absolutely sure it's that very species and not for example the highly toxic belladonna which superficially looks somewhat similar (and which caused nightshade to wrongly get the "toxic" attribute due to confusions and misnamings)

>>632577
Not entirely sure, but I suspect they're Stuarts simply because of how widely cultivated the variety was 50-60 years ago. These came off of a planted tree at my Mom's house. I never really cared about pecans until I tried these ones. They're much sweeter than any store bought pecan I've ever had.

>>633092
No, I just took some unmarked seed that were laying around my father's shed, and decided to plant them, neither of us knew what it was, I hope it's pepper as some say, even though I really wanted a flowering plant

>>633227
Yeah, pepper is of course also a possibility from how it looks, it too belongs to the nightshade family (but so does tomato and potato, maybe it was a seed of those)

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I've got 4 avocado seeds. How do I get these babies to sprout?

I will wait a dozen years for an avocado baring tree if I have to, I love these bad boys that much.

>>633926
Put three toothpicks in them to suspend them mid air in a glass, fill the glass with water until the seed is halfway under, put it somewhere warm, wait until there's a big root coming down, put it in a big pot and off you go.

>>634007
Does that really work? Everytime I've tried that before nothing happened.

Now I'm wondering what happens in nature that avocado seeds need such a finicky environment to sprout.

>>634008
I think it probably works just as well if you just put them in the ground, but by suspending the seed over the water you can easily see if anything's going on already.

You do have to get a bit lucky with the seeds because some of them will just rot, but that's the case with every plant and you only really notice it here because it's only one big seed instead of 10000 tiny ones.

>>634009
Yeah that's true. I plant half a dozen lettuce seeds for every head of lettuce that actually grows.

>>622659
I lived in northeastern Ohio before I joined the military, we used to use pumpkins, cantaloupes, and water melons for target practice as kids all summer and fall. They just regret wild year after year, the pulp acts as a natural fertilizer for the seeds. We had fresh melon all summer and pumpkins all fall.

>>631284
I used pvc pipe and industrial rolls of plastic wrap. It worked well until we got a bad snowstorm and it collapsed.

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>>631284
>>634039
I use polytunnels. Mine are made from black plastic natural gas piping, cheap, clear "6 mil" plastic sheeting, and whatever string I have on hand. Both plastics are polyethylene. The clear plastic only lasts about 3 seasons max before breaking up. Get UV-protected and it'll last many many years. The black plastic pipes last decades in full sun, but don't support very well as a hoop past a certain radius. They are great for moderate sized polytunnels without additional support or fasteners The kind you left up a flap to work with the plants instead of walking into

I also use 2-liter soda bottles, sanded, and painted black for thermal mass. It makes a world of difference. Just cover every inch of unused ground and space inside the polytunnel You can also add an extension that houses far more thermal mass to further increase heat efficiency. It can get to -42F/-42C here in the winter on some nights or never dip down to below -10F/-23C When it starts to get cold, I add a second layer of plastic over the polytunnel with a 1-2 inch gap of air between them. To do that I sandwich the 1st layer of plastic between a second set of black plastic piping. When it gets seriously cold then I add a small electric space heater with a fan and a thermostat. The second layer and heater are really only needed for warm-crops. Cold weather crops normally only need to be kept above freezing temps. Warm weather crops need above 55F/12C. I'd had fresh tomatoes in January when it is constantly -5F/-20C during the day and there's 6 inches of snow on the ground

Snow weight can be a big problem if there's not enough heat loss through the plastic to melt the falling snow. Wind isn't an issue if the plastic is well supported and tightly clamped down. Having wind breaks and aligning the tunnels parallel to prevailing winds will also greatly help

You can grow amazing crops with very little cost, year-round regardless of where you live, if you know the proper techniques

>old pics

>>634319
Does that plastic give the plants enough sunlight, especially with the two layers during winter?
I'm trying to grow Yuzu, it's apparently fairly cold resistant as far as citrus goes, and needs at least 6-10 hours sunlight daily.

As long as the temps don't go too far below freezing the plants are said to be fine, but moisture seems to be the biggest issue. At the moment I have a few moderately sized soil beds in the back, do you think I could simply add some pvc piping over top of them come winter time along with plastic? Toronto area here.

It's pretty impressive that you got a tomato crop in January, imagine strawberries during that time. You'd save a ton!

>>634334
You're at 43°N, so you should get enough winter sunlight for tomato indoors (I'm at 50°N, plus it's mostly overcast, and it's extremely challenging but not imposible to get tomatoes over winter without artificial lighting)

>>634334
>Does that plastic give the plants enough sunlight, especially with the two layers during winter?

Seems so, mine were fine. I'm in temp Zone 5 in the USA. The local professional tomato greenhouse had two layers of plastic with forced air between them and did fine. In the summer they put a shade cloth over it and in the winter they removed it. You can also reflect extra light using a white-painted panel outside the polytunnel. It'll reflect a ton of light for the plants. It will all come down to how long your days are in the winter.

The only hard part is regulating the humidity without shocking the plants with fresh cold air. That will depend on how many plants there are for the air volume and how much soil is exposed to the air.

I had to hand pollinate the tomato flower by vibrating the plants. I'm not sure what technique you'd need to use for strawberries or even yuzu if they were flowering at those times.. You'd probably need to get a small box hive of bumble bees online for that.

I planted a small shrub of Laurus nobilis into a protected area of the garden back in July when I didn't know yet it's that extremely frost-sensitive, more so than olive apparently, don't know if it will survive the German Rhineland winter (pic and plant related, in the slight snow we got this night while still above zero temps), can I somehow make it survive?
Even if not, it was worth it, shrub cost just €12, plucked a lot of leaves throughout the summer for cooking sauces, it's just so much better and more intense than the dried supermarket leaves

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>>634395
Of course I forgot pic

>>634319
Thankyou anon.

Keep up the good work

>>632306
Yes. I did that and got the trees. Don't expect anything amazing, they'll be 8-16 inch seedlings that are mostly too young to go straight into the ground unprotected. If you do it, invest in ten 2-3 gallon pots and some well draining coarse soil to fill it with. Pot the trees and keep them in a sheltered location until they're large enough to be planted in a permanent location or continue to put them into larger and larger pots if you want the trees to be bigger when they go to their final location. The potting just allows you to baby them a bit more and ensure the best conditions for growth for the first year or two and allows them to be easily moved.

I'm starting some sugar cane in water, roots are growing, but the water has turned pretty cloudy.

Should I change the water out, or keep it?

>>629696
>>629698
Are you looking for a wife by any chance?

>>631070
Huckleberries, blueberries, blackberries, strawberries.

>>631382
Peppers, sweet peppers, hot peppers, bell peppers. Those all grow great in pots.

>>634481
>Huckleberries, blueberries, blackberries, strawberries
thanks, anon

>>634486
De nada.

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I had a bumper crop of tomatillos this year. Unfortunately, my old crappy Nesco brand food dehydrator died (again) for the final time (can't replace the blown thermal fuse and can't reattach the fan because everything is effing integrated into the mica.) So, while I ordered a brand new dehydrator that is much more professional and easy to clean and fix. Unfortunately, there was a random hard frost and I lost about 6 bushels of tomatillos.

Anyway, now I have an awesome food dehydrator, even if I paid too much for it. Stainless Steel Dehydrator (model 26DHD001-1200SS-10T), all stainless, 1200 watts, 10 trays (14" x 16" trays; 186.66 square feet of tray space). I'm amazed by how much that thing will hold in 1 load. It can do enough apples for over 1 gallon of dried apples. I did 15lbs of carrots. Which can now fit into 3 quart jars.

>>634484
Seconding peppers. But, you have to hand pollinate them if you want winter fruit. Just gently tap the stem the flower is on a few times.

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>>634583
I also bought both regular and wide mouth Food Saver brand vacuum jar attachments and a cheap Harbor Freight break bleeder to vacuum seal the jars. I have a vacuum bag sealer with the hose attachment port, but it does not pull as hard a partial vacuum as the break bleeder does. Now my dehydrated garden vegetables are staying fresh WAY longer.

Pics related for the curious. I think I'll make a wooden wheel and crank for this so I can turn the crank and pull the vacuum. That'll be much easier than using it bicycle pump style like it is now.

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It's sub zero in my area, the garden is torn out. These leafy green plants sprung up like crazy, any idea what it is?

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>>634647
One more pic.

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>>634649
Kale is hanging in there too

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>>634647
>>634649
Those look like mustard greens or related mustard family plant.

When the weather cools and dips into freezing temps I have tons of chickweed that springs up like crazy. It is delicious too. Early winter and later winter-early spring are best for them it seems. My chard is still doing well too. I'll be cleaning it up later on and putting a cover over it. I just put in a bunch of black-painted plastic soda bottles filled with water around the plants to help them cope with cold nights and frosty mornings.

I planted my stuff traditionally but I want to make it aquaponics. Is it possible to do it or I dun goofed about it?
Still waiting for the winter to move the plants though.

What's the best plant to grow in a cold room with a few hours of sun a day? I just want some oxygen in here and a friend.

>>634747
The most common room tree I can think of is Ficus benjamina, seems to do well even in relatively dark office rooms
Shouldn't be too cold though
Also quite widespread is Ficus elastica

>>633205
Yeah we have a bunch of pecans. Ours are Stuarts as well.
I'll try to post some pics when I get some.

I added about an inch of compost that wasn't really broken down all the way, mostly it was too wet.
Am I gonna be okay?

>>634916
added it to my flower beds, that is

>>634917
>>634916
Meh in the worst case you'll probably have some weed seeds that survived, so you gotta remove that shit once it sprouts

>>634747
Pothos, if you get one, and the vines grow long enough, you can cut the extra length off, put the cut stem into a vase full of water, and it will grow it's own roots. Plus, they are super easy to care for, and the ones we have don't give a shit that we keep the blinds on all of our windows closed during the summer to keep the heat down, as well as to keep the heat in during winter.

>>634319
Thank you that was incredibly well thought out, thorough, and helpful. And I look foward to attempting it. The black bottles is a good idea

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>>635155
>>634319
Forgot to say that the black bottles are full of water. Any container that can hold water will work, regardless of color. Black happens to be the best color.. Alternatively, you can use bricks/blocks.

my cilantro plants sprout but then collapse over their own weight without getting much leaves, how do i stop this?

>>635611
More sunlight is what I read. They say they try to reach for the sun too fast and then fall over. Of course I put mine in full sun and they still fell over. I think it's fine desu.

>>635623
is it really fine?
when do they get to the point where i can eat them?

>>635611
More light and some breezy wind.

>>635645
Usually when they are nearly 2 months old they'll produce seed (coriander.) You can harvest the leaves anytime you like. However, if you want the plant to survive, you should wait until taking a left or two form here or there won't affect the plant. Having multiple plants helps spread out damage when you take a leaf from each. Harvest when a few inches high and have filled out with lots of leaves.

I'm thinking about trying hugelkultur next year, have any anons here given it aa go? Any thoughts or advice?

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>>635858
I did it with one of my beds and I suppose the straw and yard waste beds are also the same thing, only finer medium. I've had no problems and even had some pretty impressive mushroom flushes come out of the ground as a result. The carrots seemed to love it.

As far as advice, I wouldn't dig a trench for it, just pile it up in a row and put soil over it.

I don't think this is meant to be on the last page.

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>>635898
Do you know what kind of mushrooms those are?


Also, pardon the terrible image, but I have had a terrible dilemma with my root vegetables.

They start off fine, then as they grow they get "leggier" with more and more stem. Sometimes this causes them to whip about and damage the roots.

I'm wondering if this is really "all stem" or if my soil is just compacting and exposing the roots. If so, how fix? I mulch with straw, but it only seems to hide a deeper problem.

Advice?

>>637407
I never figured out 100% what the mushrooms were even with a spore print. I went through a lot of online keys too.

What type of root vegetables? Normally, that is a light issue. They need more light. It can also be a lack of stimulus, like wind. Which is one reason why greenhouses have fans. You can try setting them an inch deeper and making sure they have good light all day. There may be too much nitrogen in your soil too causing them to grow too fast before thickening up. If they are spaced too closely that can also cause it.

Hello, I'm currently trying to do a tree nursery design and i have no idea about planting patterns (angle, position in relation to the other plants, distance, etc). Any advice or resource would be huge help.
Also, if anyone cares, the nursery's climate would be subtropical (meditteranean) and would be mainly planting olive and palm trees.

>>637542
>nursery

Just for starting the plants so they can be moved to another location or sold to people? Design and spacing really depends on how old the plants will be prior to being sold or moved. How large will it be/how many plants? Will you be using vehicles in and around it?

If you are growing them in one spot to maturity it is a "plantation" not a "nursery" and you'll need to plant them in the ground. The patterning will be different.

>>637542
Those are some extremely slow growing plants though. Olives at least can be grown out of prunings, but palms can only be propagated by seed which take several months to sprout and several years to make a mini tree of 1m height (extreme example is Jubaea which needs well over 50 years to first flower)

>>637599
Most people doing palms are doing Elaeis guineensis for the oil. They usually are 6-8 years old when they get their first full-sized leaves. They produce fruit 3-4 years after planting in the ground.

>>637407
>>637418
Not sure, but looking through my National Audubon Society guide, I think they're Sweetbread Mushrooms.

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Yuzu guy here.
About a week and a half later, and only two of the seeds have really started to break through. The one in the center seems to be doing the best.
For an Ontario November, it's been surprisingly sunny and mild lately. Maybe that's why I'm getting some success with them. Does the progress look okay?

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Anyone know what plant this is?

I'm in southern california

>>637731
Yes, get them back in something moist before they dry out and die. Those roots are super delicate to dry air.

>>637749
Ornamental flower?

>>637810
I've just been taking them out of the ziplock a few times a week to check, hope that hasn't done any damage.
Now to wait for them to break free of that shell.

>>637716
Possibly, I'll note it and check thoroughly if they pop up again. Hopefully, they are not Clitocybe rivulosa.

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Anyone know how to successfully get olive tree cuttings to grow roots?
I took ca. 15cm long prunings in late September, removed all leaves but a few on the top and put them in a glass of water, but until now, 9 weeks later nothing has happened yet (I successfully got tomato, laurel cherry, cherry plum, ligustrum and fig cuttings to grow roots in water glass, took between 10 days and 6 weeks - the other ones that don't want to grow roots either are true laurel and Lantana camara).
First I had them stand warm on my PC water cooling exhaust fan (22-24°C) for a few weeks, then I put them cooler (13°C now, sleeping room) to hope to induce growth this way, and in both cases rather shady, but nothing happening yet.
Do I just need some more patience or do I have to put them even warmer maybe? Or sunnier? (At least tough luck for the latter now in that season)

>>637827
Root hormone. Alternatively, put in some willow cuttings too. They will exude root hormone. "Willow Water" is water willow cuttings have started to grow roots in. Google "Willow Water".

>>637418
That's what I was thinking, but these guys get a fair bit of both. They're in the dead middle of the yard.


Beets especially, with my carrots and even my cabbage recently doing the same..

I haven't had any beets live past seedling stage this season. My carrots are all looking rather small, though the few I re-planted deeper/hilled soil around seem to be doing better.

I went out today and re-allocated soil to these exposed plant parts and mulched my garden with even more straw. Hopefully it helps.

Does anyone have any advice on growing asparagas... just bought some sprouts, I live in Cairns, Aus so rather hot and humid

>>637926
Plant, water, let alone for 2+ years if root stock and 4+ years if from seed. It takes a while for them to get properly established. I hope yours are viable seed producers (open-pollinated seems to be the best). I just planted an entire bed of seed from one of my mature plants (Martha Washington). In 4 years, I'll have more than I can eat.

http://www.backyardgardener.com/plantname/pda_1776.html

I did the same thing with elephant garlic bulbils. But those will take about 3 years I think.

>>620056
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=diy+cold+frame

>>635858

I would recommend against hugelkultur. After building three hugelbeds, and getting awful results from each, I've abandoned the technique.

Each of the three beds were made using guides written by well-known hugelkultur experts.

The first bed drained way too quickly and was prone to being very dry - when the drought season came around I lost the crop in it.

The second bed was prone to collapse. Plants would vanish into the abyss overnight.

The third bed had awful erosion problems, and no amount of mulch could keep the heavy rains in my region from washing it away.

I would have gotten better results if I had just planted directly into flat ground. Perhaps hugelkultur works in someones climate and soil, somewhere.

If you really want to try it, I advise building one as small as possible to see how it goes for you.

>>637835
OK, before I order something, gonna try. Will Salix integra do (only one in the garden), or does it have to be specific species? Could also get alba or fragilis from the area

>>638620
>>635898
Thanks for sharing, think I might try a mid size one but dig out a little so half is underground and therefore the mound won't be as steep

>>638620
>>638728
I made mine inside of my raised beds. The slope wasn't much at all. Years later, they are flat, but there's about 6-8 inches of amazing soil in the beds.

I think the main thing, for all gardening methods, is to properly pair the method to your location. A dry area needs low bowl-like beds and a rainy wet place like mine needs hills or raised beds to keep things from rotting.

For anyone wanting to prevent erosion on such a steep garden bed, I'd recommend companion planting stuff that will hold the soil and/or protect it.

Edible/herb groundcovers like:
Chickweed (Stellaria media)
Creeping Thyme (Thymus serpyllum)
Strawberry (Fragaria)
Creeping Rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis 'Prostratus')
Wintergreen (Gaultheria)
Mints (Mentha)
Oregano (Origanum vulgare)

Start the vegetable seedlings and transplant then into the groundcover crop. That way they don't get choked out right away after germinating. You'll have less weeds, less erosion, better pest control, among other things. Your vegetable crops may overshadow some and kill off some of the ground cover so leave enough spaces for the sun so that it can replenish itself later.

For preventing collapse, try to stack the hill debris, so that there are no spaces and no voids. Align everything as parallel as you can. Do not criss-cross the logs and branches. Fill in all voids with soil/mulch as you build up the hill. Give it a bit of water as you are stacking things up. That will help fill voids and pack soil/mulch as you go, instead of having it happen later. Don't use large diameter logs. Try not to use branches longer than 18inchs/46cm. The shorter the better for preventing voids and collapse. Make sure the soil you are using isn't too sandy. Too much sand in the soil can cause wicked erosion.

Can I get a list of the books included in the OP? Is bill mollison's permaculture one in there?

>>639239
The links in the OP need changed,

https://kat.cr/400-pdf-books-on-gardening-t3324399.html

>bill mollison's permaculture one in there

Yes, "INTRODUCTION TO PERMACULTURE
BY BILL MOLLISON", "an Introduction to Permaculture.pdf". 1981

What knives do you guys use/carry daily?

More interested in what you guys have to say than the /knife/ people; working/schooling in horticulture atm.

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>>639797
Pic related is my EDC. SAK Climber. Works for me, some Swiss Army knives have a special pruning blade

>>639870
What tools on it do you use the most?
I've looked into those swiss army ones with the pruning blade, but none are on their official site that I can see. Anything similar?

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>>639880
I use the cap-lifter, main blade, and scissors mostly. I'm used to the scissors on the tiny ass SAKs so these ones are real comfy. Mostly use the cap lifter though. How do you like Hort as a major? Thinking about majoring at TAMU when I get my community college shit done

>>639891
Ah, hmm, What do you do with it? I've used them fucking around when I was a kid, but I guess I just had them for the
>haha im a scout
type of shit.
The scissors are comfy but I'm looking for more of an actual tool/knife wise deal, not to be insulting.

I love it; but I'm scared shitless of my future. Hort is a very broad field and it's kinda hard to nail down what you want to do for certain. I'm still kind of feeling it out. I'm a prof. applicator atm and I absolutely hate it so I'm going to try to get some exp in other fields within hort. before I get my ASS

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>>639907
Well idk man in the garden I use the scissors for cutting off fruits and other shit if I don't have my Felco® brand pruning shears on hand. For daily use, using the blade to open packages, cut fruit, strings, and anything you'd really used a knife for. The flathead screwdriver bits are pretty useful as well. The toothpick is good for when I get big chunks of food stuck between my teeth. The bottle opener and corkscrew and really nice to have at parties too. I'm a pretty big Swiss army fan, they pack a huge amount of utility in a package that disappears in my pocket. I've tried carrying the big single use folders, but found them bulky and most people, especially girls, got kinda freaked out by the tactical type knives imo. Having a locking blade is nice though I gotta admit. I just ordered a Case® brand stockman knife too. The traditional pocketknives are fukkin sexy. (Pic related) Not really sure what you're looking for but Victorinox also make the Spirit and Swisstool which are more like a leatherman type deal

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>>639973
And I actually thought different of /out/

>>639797
This is a derailment question. Stop answering it.

>>640084
Who cares bro thread is hella slow

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Guys
I live in Canada, it's -5C outside, we get like 8 hours of daylight
My Serrano pepper plant just flowered. I have no bees in my house
Is there a proper technique to manually pollinate them?

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>>641208

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>>641208
Just lightly tap the stem when the flower is fully open. That should be enough. If you have an electric shaver (or vibrator), you can tap a stick to it, turn on the shaver, and tough the stick to the stem near the flower. The instant you vibrate it, there should be a falling dash of pollen from the flower. Be careful about touching the flower itself as it can easily fall off. A constant breeze from a low fan will help prevent leave and flowers from falling off when they get bumped lightly.

I used that method with my peppers for last winter. This is what they looked like. You can see snow in the background. I'm not keeping anything indoors this winter.

>>641224
Are green and red serranos the same plant? Mine are green but I was told they they might turn red?

I'll try your method, I have an electric toothbrush

Thanks for the info

>>641280
Green are immature and red are ripe. Green bell peppers will turn read when mature, but it is difficult to get them to do that without rotting.

>>641320
I left the green peppers on the plants for weeks and they didn't change
They were still spicy af tho

>>634725
that chickweed looks delicious, would eat

>>642109
Chickweed is amazing. It does best in cold temps. It gets down to -5F here at nights right now with heavy killing frosts and it just grows and flowers through it all. It does well for indoor winter gardening too.

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>>641382
It takes WEEKS
Like, up to a month from my experience.

>MFW a serrano chili I left on the plant eventually turned red.
>I didn't know they could do that.

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My garden/yard has become vole city. I don't know how to get rid of them. The plus side is my yard has also become owl city. Finally managed to get a picture of one. I really wonder if I could get some snakes to hang around too.

>>642954
Google up some mole/vole traps that you install in the tunnels.

>>642954
>I don't know how to get rid of them.
bruh you know how, ur just not man enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDEira01c0Q

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Is there anything stronger, quicker or easier than glyphosate for killing off the blackberries in my garden?

I'm busy as fuck and got a bunch of reports to right and then it's xmas and I won't be here after Thursday next week but the council is going to fine me unless I get rid of these bitches within the next fortnight.

I can't afford to spend the 4+ hours spraying glyphosate over them only to have to do it again a couple days later so that it actually takes. Monetarily I can't afford to hire someone either.

>>643042
POISON THE FUCK OUT OF THEM SALT THE EARTH ANON

>>643042
Glyphosate and Metsulphuron methyl mixed is your best bet. Blackberries area a bugger to knock down, will be a couple of weeks before you see it taking effect, but within 5 days anything else in the spray path will be turning up its toes.
Any grass in amongst it will be going glow in the dark orange in a week, which should keep the council off your back.
>source: I spray blackberry, gorse, ragwort etc for a living.

>>643079
Yeah I already sprayed it a couple months ago so the grass around it is still mostly dead stuff. Since spring recently hit fairly hard here everything suddenly popped up again and started growing though so now there's a bunch of lively looking blackberries surrounded by dead grass and a couple other lively grass-weeds.

>>643079
>Also, Metasulphuron methyl will mean nothing else will grow there for at least 6 months either.

>>643080
Spring? So you're southern hemisphere as well? Whereabouts? That makes a difference.

>>643083
Blue Mountains, Australia, NSW

>>643086
Yeah, glyphosate and mersulphuron should be good. Best time to hit it as during the growth stage, so fresh green/red shoots on it. Spring is ideal, late autumn pretty much a waste of time, you're killing what's already dead.
Fresh growth sucks it straight down to the roots=, which is where you want it.
Glysophate (Roundup) will knock stuff down and you can pretty much plant round it in a couple of days. With the MSM in it, pretty well poisons the soil and stops any seeds coming away.
For a 50 litre pack I use 500ml glyphosate and 30mg of MSM granules. Wind that down to what ever size sprayer you're using.
Kiwi here, btw.
Hope that helps.

Blackberries and bougainvillea are the worst to get rid of, but cutting them down almost to the ground and painting the stumps with neat roundup has always worked well for me.

>>643042
Pour boiling water over what is left after cutting them down. Pour it right where the roots are. Then just cut any runners that pop up later. Normal lawn maintenance will work. I mean gardening is gardening. Don't spray poisons in your garden. That's retarded.

>>643042
I would've thought about steam sterilisation for a clean method, probably expensive though and don't know if you can hire someone around your area, also quite hard to DIY

>>637731
>>637810
Since then the seeds haven't really grown at all.
In fact some have started going moldy.
What do?

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>>643430

Be careful not to confuse root hairs for mold (sorry if you already know that.)

I personally like transplanting from paper towel pretty fast before the roots grow into the paper towel too much or get knotted up with each other, but I don't do paper towels much and someone else may have more informed advice.

>>643430
The instant they sprout anything like a root you plant them. That's it. You just need to know that it is viable and when it cracks open you know so you plant. Don't wait around.

>>643438
>>643468
It's hard to tell honestly, there seemed to be two different shells to the seed. I left the thinner inner one on, and it seemed to already have some sort of "root" attached before I even started.
Only one has cracked open however, though I might plant all of them to see how it goes. Sorry, been asking a lot up until this point.

Anyone know of any good LED grow light brands?

They all seem so sketchy on amazon...

>>643127
I don't have the time or manpower to go around cutting every single stem and individually brushing them with poison. That's what I did a couple months ago and it worked for the front but the ones in the back garden were too beefy to give a fuck and grew back with vengeance.

>>643593
If you don't have time to do work then you don't have time to work the land those are on. Let them grow and enjoy their fruit. Work on and keep clear only what you have time for.

>>643593
Can't you mulch them or have someone do it for you?

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Babby san pedro.

(:

>>643763

cute

Why don't you call this vegetables, fruit and cacti general? Because it's all you tossers grow.

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>>643770
Feel free to contribute you motherfuck. Gregg's Mistflower for the Monarchs

>>643770
Some people post their ferns, house plants, and flowers too. There is the random mushroom grower. Rarely a weed grower who gets run off to /b/ and 420chan will post. People who raise farm animals are welcome and post from time to time, usually in-conjunction with their crops.

Some of these things are seasonal. As the internet grows, more and more people from all around the world have been posting. So, we get more consistent gardening threads than ever before. Normally, when winter hit the northern hemisphere the gardening stuff nearly stopped. Now, we have southern hemisphere gardeners, indoor gardeners, and greenhouse owners posting more frequently.

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>>643515

I know several plant tissue culture labs that use philips horticultural LEDs.

Sourced from Amazon, I have an LED panel branded "GlobalStar" with separate switches for red and blue LEDs and I've been very happy with it. Model # might be- GS-50LEDs.
I had a GalaxyHydro panel before that and the fans went to shit very fast (but it was extremely bright compared to the GlobalStar.)

I also have a bunch of TaoTronics E27 12w LED lights from Amazon, and they're OK so far. Though they're spotlights and cover a very narrow space under the light.

>>622659
I had a surplus of compost two years back and I just piled it up on a gently sloping hill in my backyard, well away from my vegetables.

I threw the pumpkins from that October onto it and the next year had a ton of volunteers that grew into that years pumpkins.

So essentially I created a no dig pumpkin patch. The only issue I had was part of the skin on some of the pumpkins ripped off because I didn't put any straw down and it sat in wet grass for a few weeks.

>>622670
Bad idea. Pine straw raises the acidity of soil

>>643802
Common myth.

>>643042
>Fruit growing rampantly in your backyard

Please explain why this is a problem. I understand some plants can grow like crazy, but why the is your local government mad enough to bitch at you for it? I mean, is this an acre of blackberry bushes over your property line or something?

>>643945
Was wondering this as well, Central Texas here and direly want a blackberry bush

>>643945
It is a seriously invasive species and is outlawed in many places.

>>643042
>bunch of reports to right
>reports to right
>to right
>right
Looks like you're fucked m8

>>644029

Houston here. You need to find someone with a strain of Texas A&M or Uni. of AK. I have a couple of vines going of what I think is Rosborough or Shawnee. If you have good sun, they will go crazy and produce huge fruit. If you can find anyone growing them, they will happily give you some vines early spring as they start popping up all over the yard (at least here in Houston...may be a little later in central Tx).

I also pick a lot of the common wild blackberries which are much different than the A&M and UARK varieties. For one, the wild seem to attract a ton of larvae (of something) and you have to rinse many times...plus they are a little on the sour side (remedied when you "sugar" them up for pie, cobbler, or jelly).

In any case, I think the variety in the pic are Pennsylvania blackberries. Those are found up North and quite sweet with very little of the tart we have in our varieties.

>>643945
Blackberries are really annoying though and quickly form dense bushes plus they easily shoot from small root remains. As a "bonus", non-cultivated ones are also thorny as fuck, so if they weren't native to Europe and N America, they'd probably be seen like Japanese knotweed

>>644034
Thanks man, I actually live in college station so shouldn't be too hard to find the A&M variety

Speaking of fruit trees/bushes, how does everyone keep birds out of them? I tried using some bird netting this past year and they still ate almost all of my strawberries, its very frustrating.

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>>644419

The netting needs to be held up and away from the fruit,to where they can't peck at the fruit,and make sure they can't get underneath it.

You could always put a few 1x1s in the ground or something to hold them up and away,and use some anchors to hold them in place around the edges.

Beyond that,reflective tapes,cd/dvds strung up from trees,buy a cat or dog.

Also,know you can't keep them away from everything. They are persistent little shits

>>644034

This. The difference in size and taste can be crazy between different types of blackberries.

>>629696

Hey bro are you still around?

I'm from Argentina too, where did you get it? How are you renting it?

I live in Texas, how many acres would be good to grow enough for one person to eat without needing to buy food?

>>645059
Depends too much on soil, local climate, type of crop etc. and if you irrigate (you probably have to in your steppe)

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>>642291
Yay it worked!

>>645154
nice!

>>645059
It depends on your diet really. You can micro climate anyplace on Earth and grow enough to eat in the same amount of square area. But, if you are a "big eater" then you'll need more space. It also depends on the type of foods you want to eat. Some crops are space hogs that need a huge square area. If you are lucky you can companion plant with them and gain back some of the space they hog.

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I dont have a green thumb, but wanna learn.
i just want to start with an herb garden.

What would be some good herbs to grow??
>inb4 weed

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>>645226

Fennel and parsley tolerate poor conditions very well, though parsley is short-lived and fennel is said to be allelopathic. I also have a lot of luck with rosemary... it's a slow grower, but I pretty much ignore mine and it does fine.

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>>645229
Some must-have spices (for me) include rosemary, thyme, oregano, basil, laurel and parsley, but there's many more
First three are pretty drought-tolerant, so once established in the beet they won't instantly punish you if you forget watering once.
Rosemary is also very easy to propagate, just put 5-10cm long prunings in water glass or soil, remove lower 2/3 of leaves and in sometimes less than 10 days you'll have roots
Basil is annual though unless you live in the (sub-)tropics, won't do well once daily means drop below +10°C/50°F, for me that means April through October. Also grows like crazy and needs lots of water and fertiliser. To preserve good aroma and growth, remove any blossoms once they show (unless you want to harvest seed)
Laurel can be placed somewhat semi-shady compared to the former ones which need full sun, if winters get very cold in your place they need protection though or should be grown in a pot
Parsley can also be grown in winter on the window sill, but though I put it on a SW facing window, it shows some etoliation (pic related, thanks to the only 8 hours of daylight currently and the almost always overcast oceanic climate), but doesn't matter, I always cut away the longest shoot of each plant as needed for use

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>>638665
Update: I put in Salix integra cuttings (about 1cm in diameter, 25cm long, no more leaves, they were laying around in the garden for a couple weeks previously from when I pruned the tree)
After barely 2 weeks, against all expectations, the willow cuttings are already growing roots and seemingly are about to sprout too! Still nothing happening yet with the olive and laurel cuttings

>>645274
lol Willow is so bad ass like that. I've had the same trouble with some things and trying to get them to root. The willow will root but the other stuff won't. It normally has to do with how the cuttings were made and stored.

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Does anyone here have any experience with raising livestock for meat? I'm specifically looking at goats and it seems any resources on the subject seem to only be concerned about doing it commercially, not for personal consumption.
Where do I start learning about this sort of stuff?

>>645449
I figure it's about 10 times as intensive as having plants only, needing grazing land, extra stables, veterinary standards to uphold, slaughtering equipment etc etc

>>645271
Whoops, realising only now I meant to quote >>645226

>>645449
It is the same as deer when it comes to butchering. Also, toss in the word "homestead" in your searches,

https://www.google.com/search?q=homestead+goats+meat

https://www.google.com/search?q=homestead+goats+raising

https://www.google.com/search?q=homestead+goat+milking

https://www.google.com/search?q=growing+goat+feed

Remember to do similar searches on youtube and amazon.

Raising farm animals is pretty easy. If you've ever raised pets you should do well raising livestock. You will have complete control over their diet and health. That also means you get to choose their living conditions and medical care. If raised properly, the animals shouldn't have any troubles at all. If you start raising them by industrial standards and/or CAFO methods then their health will radically decline and medical drugs will be required to keep their health up.

Pampered, well-treated, well-fed, livestock will have better tasting meat, eggs, and milk. Stressed, malnourished, and/or sick animals will have unhealthy, less-good-tasting meat, eggs, and milk.

Animal feed is often the breakdown point for most small farmers. You have the option of buying all the feed, growing all the feed yourself, or a combination of both. Free range animals will have a more complete diet if they are allowed to range as far and wide as possible. Their health = your health. Feed them the best you can and keep them as healthy as possible. If you are anti-gmo food in your grocery store then you should be anti-gmo for your animal feed. The same goes with whatever your diet it.

Remember, goats don't like eating the grass you find in your normal yard. If they are eating that it means there's no choice plants left or the feed you are giving them is either gone or of poor quality. Rotate their pasture and change up their food.

Research the various goat types and see what ones would be best for your area as well as being best for what you want out of them.

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I started some tomatoes in a mini greenhouse I made a while back as >>630586.

I also added some other miscellaneous seeds from different fruits just for fun. From what I can tell, the tomatoes are doing great, but there's some other strange plants growing here that I'm pretty sure aren't tomatoes. Does anyone know what they might be?

>>645611
4 tomato plants
1 pepper plant
1 Oxalis family plant. Can't tell until it blooms but probably Oxalis stricta (Common Yellow Woodsorrel/Sourgrass) edible and tart.

You'll find lots of stuff popping up sometimes. I do simply because the soil I use isn't store bought. It is fun and most of the time everything that pops up is edible in some fashion.

>>645646
Are you sure about the pepper plant? I don't recall planting those.

I planted some starfruit and orange seeds, though.

>>645693
>starfruit and orange seeds out of left field

Then it could be anything of the above.

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Guys, what can I grow in my house this winter? Or at least start growing so by next spring I can plant it outside and it have a good head start?
I've been growing this pineapple inside for like 3 years
Canada here

>>646471
How far North? I'm 50°N in Europe, so now during the darkest days growth is kinda slow and etoliation may happen, but I'll start with tomatoes probably by mid to late January indoors, to plant them out when there's no more frost to expect (mid April)
If you're in Toronto (North Italy latitude and sunshine), you might even start now

>>646487
49°N

days are pretty short here

>>646471
Anything depends on how much light you have or how much you are willing to spend on lighting.

Peppers are a great indoor vegetable plant.

>dat feel when I no longer have my pineapple plants

Has anyone here ever grown wonderberry (Solanum retroflexum), and if so, how did they taste? I've read a lot of mixed reviews, with some claiming that the fruits are delicious, others say they're nasty, others say they're bland, etc.

Don't want to waste my time growing something that tastes like nothing.

I guess my basement got too warm and my potatoes started sprouting, can I slow them down by putting them in my unheated garage for the winter and plant them in the spring or will they just get all nasty by then

>>646570
>Peppers are a great indoor vegetable plant.
These are my plants too
>>645154
>>641208

>>646597

There really aren't any certain types,so it's like growing any fruit plant from seed,you don't know what you are going to get.

It might be sweet,it might be bland and gritty.

All luck of the draw,really.

>>646610
It depends on how long the eyes are. You can normally rub them off and put them in a cold place and they will do fine. But, if they are really long them it may be too late. Many people plant them outside and cover them with hay so they don't freeze. Then they pop up when it is warm again. If the garage stay just above freezing then it should work.

>>646685
They're like a quarter inch long at this point, I had been gone for a month and when I came back I was pretty bummed as I wanted to make some tasty mashed Yukon golds, but yeah garage never freezes but gets pretty cold, I'll toss them in a paper bag and hope for the best, thanks

>>646760
If they are that short you can get away with not breaking the eyes off. So long as they remain cold.

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Does anyone have any idea what the fresh hell this is? It looks like a fungus or a tuber, but it's HUGE.

I was deweeding my tiny, unkempt garden and this thing appeared down below. It took me several minutes to dig it out with a tiny spade, and I'm not sure if it's the root system from a weed I pulled out or some kind of nasty underground fungus.

>>646983
It doesn't look like one, but Bryonia dioica is a very noxious weed here which also makes very thick and large turnip-like roots (easily >1kg if left unattended over the summer), so it's well within possibility to be some other weed

>>646991

Thanks, I'll take it to my local garden shop to see if they can help me identify it. I'm puzzled.

I think I can connect it to a particular weed I pulled out from which I couldn't identify a root system when I did (I pulled hard but it only broke away) but it's kinda depressing if so, because I saw another one I'd have to pull out then. Bleh.

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>>646993
Out of curiosity, was it the plant I meant? Looks like pic related, a vine quickly growing up fences, trees, even above other vines such as ivy.
Leaves also kinda resemble ivy but are much lighter green and softer
I had to remove fresh seedlings almost daily from August up until November (already sprouted from the fruits of that bitch which were ripe by July and seeded out quickly afterwards), and probably will have to continue next spring

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>>646991

This is the weed I'm thinking is the culprit, by the way.

>>646998
OK, so a different one. Someone here will be able to identify for you, I'm not that good at it yet

What edible plants can you grow small scale indoors?

I wanna try making a hanging garden.

>>647014

Sprouts and microgreens

>>647016
I hear that sprouts are dangerous to grow and consume safely. True or was I fed bullshit?

>>647018
Only if you do it wrong. Keep things sanitary and the sprouts washed properly. Follow instructions. Big places like restaurants are fucking terrible and dirty and the staff don't give a shit about anything. So, they end up with bad sprouts nearly all the time.

People who make them for themselves to eat normally take better care of the sprouts and are more knowledgeable. Thus, no problems. A restaurant is more likely to serve you slimy sprouts than you will ever serve to yourself.

>>646983
Location and climate are need to know.

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>>647018

It depends on how you grow them, and "sprouts" and "microgreens" can be the name representing a wide variety of plants, of which individual types may have some reported health concerns while others have no such issues.

>>647028

Buenos Aires, currently summer (almost)

>>647181
Most people here are US and UK with a few AUS tossed in. But, you may get lucky. Kinda reminds me of something in the nightshade family (Solanaceae).

Has /out/ ever tried growing mushrooms?
I always like to try interesting things that aren't usually done at home.
With a little research I've found out that most mushrooms are grown from wood chips and sawdust, but the best come from logs. Still don't know the temperament needed to grow shiitake mushrooms, maybe you guys have tried?

>>647279
It is pretty easy. Just put it in a place where you can actually see and remember it when it flushes. Getting a fresh log and drilling all the holes before it dries out too much is a bit of a pain. But, you can have up to 2 flushes a year for a few years. I grow shiitake from logs. They paid for themselves with the very first flush.

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Guys
Do you think it would be possible if I grew pumpkins out of a pot in my basement with very little light over the winter?
Would this be epic?

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>>647304
That's a big pumpkin

>>647304

Not even a little bit. They love heat, direct sun, and air flow.

>>647461
How does airflow affect plants?

>>647467
something to do with settling gases

>>647468
What if I used a fan and a lamp?
Even if i get leaves off the plant ill be satisfied

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>>647304

Squash, pumpkins, cucumbers, etc are not very good indoors unless you've got a lot of soil,space and light.

>>647304
You can give them about 1-2 month head start on planting outside by starting them indoors. You'll need a large pot, preferably one with wheels, and TONS of light.

>>647474
That will work. Shoplights are good enough and a simple small fan will work. Be warned, you need tons of space. When they start growing and vine out they will be EVERYWHERE. One well growing plant can cover most peoples' living room.

>>647300
Can they be cultivated indoors, or is the concept of growing mushrooms from logs supposed to be outdoors? Where do you get the spawn for these mushrooms?

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>>647491
>When they start growing and vine out they will be EVERYWHERE
Yeah man, these were my pumpkins this summer
They never made it to Halloween unfortunately

>>647506
I cut them back a lot, everywhere the grass is brown was covered in vines

>>647506
You can still eat them even if they are not fully ripe. You just can't be using them in pumpkin pie recipes. They are better suited for chunking up, drying, and using later in soups. As for Halloween, anything you can carve will work regardless of color or composition.

>>647279
Absolutely you can grow mushrooms inside

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>>647572
Forgot pic

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At my office our landlord gave us these cards which are full of seeds. Apparently you put it in a pot and water it and flowers will grow

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Recently I noticed this nice evergreen oak tree not far from me, and after snapping a leaf (pic) and doing some research I'm pretty sure that it's a Quercus x turneri (hybrid of Q. robur and Q. ilex), so how to get it for your own garden? Apparently oaks in general are near impossible to propagate by cuttings, but then again, if it's a hybrid, will seedlings turn out both fertile and true to the mother plant? Not that much of a biologist to know, so is it even worth checking for sprouted seedlings in the vicinity of the tree by next spring? Also don't know how old that tree is, because many oaks apparently only produce fertile seeds by age 50+
Very few nurseries seem to sell those trees and those that do charge ridiculous prices (€150 upwards).
Now I could also get myself a regular Q. ilex, I'm sure they'll survive our winters, but that hybrid looks better desu

>>647648
Get an ac

>>647659
>ac
?
Air conditioning?

>>647665
Acorn

>>647632

neat

>>647667
That's one of the options I was thinking of, but not harvesting them and growing at home from seed, but just let nature do it in place (near the tree where it fell) and then snatch a surviving seedling in spring, but again there remains my hybrid question

hey guys, pretty new to gardening. I have some seeds from a while ago, some radishes, onions, and squash. What other seeds should i acquire as a beginner? Also is it too late to plant the squash this year? Lastly, is it possible to grow the radishes in pots inside year-round? Any tips to help me out would be much obliged. Thanks

>>647690
You should try growing pumpkins inside

>>647696
Are they pretty easy ? Also what time of Year should I try them?

>>647703
Whenever man, pumpkins can grow all over your house

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>>645154
More flowers !

>>647838
lol Looks like it is sneezing.

>>647840
it's actually masturbating, and then impregnating itself.

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>>643042
>>643042
Borrow some goats. Goats fucken clean that shit up.

Source: Little river cottage Australia