Would it be possible to survive in middle Europe out of civilization? Lets say SHTF happens and supermarkets, etc. are empty. Is there still enough food and water in this kind of "nature"? We rarely have wild animals and I can't think of many edible wild-plants (I'm still a beginner to /out/ so I might be wrong).
if people were starving then millions of people would roam through the woods and shoot any animal they saw, it would not be sustainable hunting
>>801283
This. And most would not know how to dress and butcher the animals. Your best bet would be to make your way to farms that rely on tractors to do most of the work, and offer your services and protection in exchange for a promise of food.
there are still millions of doe, boars and rabbits
not enough for everyone though
one could also live off the annual herring migration at the coasts
people will also be able to do agriculture, eat apples and stuff
How big a backpack do you really need? I was looking at a British army Bergen for trips of three days to a week, but is a 100l excessive? How big a pack do you carry and for how many days /out/?
Depends on what you pack but 100l, for me is far too much. I have done 10 hike with a 40l backpack in the past.
I would say 60/75l is the sweet spot for a week trip.
100L for three days in the UK is kind of excessive. You don't have any major weather extremes to pack for, nor do you have to haul something like a bear can around.
I'd say you could be well served with a 65L pack for three days.
I've heard good things and bad things about the Bergen. I suspect that you'd be happier with a modern civilian pack though, as military gear tends to be designed with mission requirements in mind that won't really fit your needs, and they also tend to be designed for extreme durability more than comfort. They'll also tend to be heavier than civilian kit, as a grunt carrying 150lbs of gear isn't going to moan because his empty pack is 8lbs instead of 5lbs.
>is a 100l excessive?
yes. i just upgraded my 45 for a 75, but i only went that big because i haul climbing gear to the backcountry and wanted the heavier suspension, and in the next few years i'm going to need extra room to pack stuff for my kids.
I like to wear sandals so I don't have to carry a bajillion socks. I've been wearing pic related for years because they're super comfy--innacity, innawoods, parkour, trail running, whatever. However, if they get too wet, they get completely waterlogged and smell like rancid cat piss.
What're some good, compact (easy to stow) makes and models of sock-free innawoods footwear suitable for running, etc. that can get wet?
>>800040
Kek
But the answer to your question is tevas
>>800040
http://lunasandals.com/
http://xeroshoes.com/
Or you can make your own hurachas with an old tire and some cloth strips
>>800040
I've had a pair of chacos for years and I love them. Keen also makes high quality sandals and water shoes. Five fingers are also pretty nice and a lot better for running than any other water shoe or sandal.
Ok /out/ so i just got back from an /out/ing trip, and roughly two days ago i fell in a river while i was trying to net a fish. Long story short, theres a fuckton of lesions of fuck knows what all over my legs, sides, and balls, and it itches like hell. Does anyone know what this is and how to treat it?
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>>799679
they look like mosquito bites
That's swimmers itch most likely. It should go away in a couple of days.
a close up of the biggest one
Anyone have any good BoB/Innawoods pack configurations and bags?
I'm looking at stuff from Hill People gear and Mystery ranch. Looking for something 3 Day Assault Pack sized, more or less, lightweight optional hip belt, external webbing/straps preferably.
>>799335
Those are expensive packs.
Have you tried surplus store?
Shooting for a relatively lightweight overall load out that's still very capable for camping, sustainment, and just chilling in the woods. List so far.
It's a lot, but I want a lot of capability. Tell me where I can pair down.
-Pack
-Pack cover
-Hiking poles (depending on load, terrain)
-Hammock with tarp for shelter
-Sleeping bag
-Space blanket(?)
-Rain gear
-Sleep clothes
-Camp shoes
-Watch cap
-Sun hat
-Two bandanas
-Clothes (wholly seasonal and geographically dependent, still figuring out layering, how many pairs etc)
-Extra socks
-Light to medium work gloves
-Water bladders
-Micropur tabs
-Jetboil
-Pressurized fuel canister
-3 days worth of non-perishable food
-Powered Gatorade (electrolytes)
-Powdered coffee (caffeine, moral)
-Flask (full)
-Spork
-Cup/mug/small nalgene for camp
-Bear bag or bear can (necessarily interchangeable? bear can heavy as fuck)
-Lifeboat matches/Ferro rod
-Local map
-Compass
-UTM Protractor
-Land nav cheat sheet
-Suunto or Garmin with altimeter
-Pencil
-Notepad
-Hunnid deet
-Headlamp
-Long run time flashlight
-Boo boo kit
-Trauma kit
-Folding knife
-Large fixed blade
-Repair kit: small duct tape roll, small zip ties, needle/thread
-550 cord
-Dental floss (not just for hygiene)
-Toothbrush/tooth paste
-Important papers/trowel
-Baby powder
-Liquid soap/soap leaves
-Towel
-Wire for snares
-Fishing kit
-Rimfire rifle (.22 LR, .22 Mag, 10/22 takedown, Ruger American, Savage A22)
-10mm or .357 Mag pistol, depending on presence of large game, moose, big cats, bear (Glock 20, 29, S&W 327 PC)
-Spare mag/speed strip
-Holster and spare mag pouch
-Signal reflector
-Morse code cheat sheet
-Whistle
-Camera
-Monocular/rangefinder
-Climbing/rappelling hardware (location dependent)
>>799351
In my book it's worth it. The less you have to fuck around with your gear the more you can worry about everything else that requires brainpower.
I've done treks with 40lb+ loads with everything from $30 bags to $300 bags. Plunking down for the gear that does the better job is worth every penny.
What trails does /out/ recommend in the midwest, preferably MI and OH mainly. Just got back from Zaleski, planning on Manistee river trail next month.
Check out the Wildcat Hollow trail in Wayne National Forest.
I've done it twice now and it was prettier in spring but early summer was nice too. Easy one night trip but has a day loop too.
What did you think of Zaleski?
>>797831
Will do, thanks.
Zaleski was pretty fun but it was relatively hard work, about 75% of the trail you're either in a steep climb or a rapid descent. Great exercise tho. Also wasn't terribly scenic but the campsites were comfy.
>>797827
What is the tent?
Hey /out/, so my friends and I want to do some camping on an island but we're really not sure where to go. We live in New Hampshire, so anything in Vermont, Maine or Massachusetts works best. Ideally it would be an island that we can Kayak to and isn't owned by some campground or an actual person, but that's not a total deal breaker.
TL;DR
Anyone on /out/ know some decent islands to camp on for a weekend in New England?
So far I've considered Hupper Island, which is pic related and Jewell Island.
Broskie come to Dark Brook Reservoir in Aubrun MA!
There are two islands in the middle (one large and one small) that are both good for camping. Yes, it's not the middle of nowhere but it's lovely out there. There's a beautiful view of the glowing I-90 and the train tracks with the occasional freight train. You can kayak through the culvert that goes under the highway which is quite a trip. The large island has a nice beach and is forested enough for some privacy.
http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dfg/dfw/habitat/maps-ponds/dfwdark.pdf
>>790738
Is it allowed?
>>790738
Solid suggestion, I'll add it to my list. I'm also looking at The Goslings in Maine which are probably my top pick at the moment.
Does anyone know what kind of rock this is?
>>803849
Geologist here. That's definitely a rock. Borderline pebble but I would probably classify it as a stone.
>>803849
Looks like zebra rock, it gets used in landscaping.
do the white veins fizz when you put HCL on it?
Hey /out/ists. I've been a long time camper, but now that I am learning2adult, it has fallen on my shoulders to start assembling my own camping trips. I know the basics of car camping, but what are some things that are absolutely crucial to the success of a camping trip? Lets assume that I am bringing supplies for 2 people, for a 3 to 4 day weekend. I'm not talking consumables like wood, or food. I have a tent and a sleeping bag, but not much else. Also, my car is a mid-sized sedan so, it doesn't hold a whole lot.
>>803787
If you are going car camping, sleep in the car. It's much less enjoyable than camping out in a site next to your car, unless that's important to you. In my experience with car camping, it's better to go on trails and explore rather than spend time on an actual campsite, due to the fact you can pack in food you don't need to heat up and keep it in your car, and you don't need to put much work into a fire because you can bring in truck stop wood. Honestly though, if you're going to put thought into a camping trip, why not do it right? Most camping places you don't hike to have families screaming all around, car sounds near your tent, and maintain a mostly synthetic camping experience.
>>803832
Not much less enjoyable****
You need food water and shelter to start.
The next thing you need is stuff for fun. We can discuss that later.
You have a tent so there is your shelter. You also have sleeping bags which you will want. Now you need beds. Sleeping on the ground socks. Cheapest route is Walmart air mattresses for about $8 each. They will take forever to blow up without a small pump. They are comfy too surprisingly.
Now you need food. I know you said no consumables but this is important. You need a way to prepare food. If you can bring a small folding grill you're good to go. You'll also need coolers to store food. A good trick is to freeze bottles of water. They will keep stuff cold and as they melt, you have water. Can do the same with gatorade.
Water is a pain if the campground doesn't have it. A container to hold water is nice if water is a ways away. Allows you to wash your hands, clean up, ect.
2 basins to wash dishes is nice. One for soapy water, one for rinsing.
Plan your meals so you know what you need to cook with. Plan meals to use the least amount of pots and pans if possible. Less to clean.
Bring bug spray and sun screen.
What's crackin' /out/? Had a couple of questions about rattlesnakes... I just moved to Boise, Idaho and have been doing a lot of hiking and am a tad worried about rattlesnakes. I'm from the south, so I've dealt with copperheads and cottonmouths, but is there anything in particular I should know about rattlers? Would be curious to hear about personal accounts of their aggressiveness, if you've run into any that don't rattle, their peak hours, etc. I have talked to a few people and they said so far, this year they've seen and/or heard about lots of rattlesnakes around here and I bumped into one qt on trail that said her dog got tagged by one, but fortunately it was a dry bite.
Any tips, hints, suggestions, or stories would be very welcome. I've read quite a bit online, but always prefer as much info as possible, including anecdotes. Also, any experience with snake gaiters? I haven't seen anyone wearing them yet, but they seem like a decent thing to have if you end up going through some bush or a not well-traveled trail.
Cheers and thanks in advance!
>>803775
Rattlers are mostly harmless. They almost never bite without being provoked and, excepting the very young ones, usually give plenty of warning. If you hear rattling just move away and leave it alone. If you're unlucky and/or stupid enough to get bit then get to a doctor asap and you should be fine.
Start with baby rattlesnakes and work your way up
most of the time they dry bite
Would this be the correct board for asking about general semi-self-sufficiency in regards to getting a few chickens, a few vegetables, maybe a pig, a barn with a few hanging game and experimenting with salted meat.
If I was to come in to 40-50 acres in East Texas, what would I be able to do with it?
I'm looking to get ahold of the following
Handful of chickens, not great layers but a few eggs every couple of days.
A pig, no idea what breed, but with the end goal of being slaughtered and barbequed and until that time being fed the spoils of the table.
And if I can get away with a few vegetables and most definately chillies.
What does /out/ think of river rafting?
I recently took a trip to a popular holiday destination. There was a lot of trekking involved, and my group added a last minute addition of rafting to our itinerary. I'm definitely no /out/, but I enjoy such things every now and then. The rafting was a great experience and I'm now considering it as a career.
I would be the co-owner and would be only handling the business aspect of it, my partner is a certified rafting instructor and would be handling everything there. All I have to do is make an investment for all the materials required.
I will be inquiring with /biz/ too, but I want to know how popular is river rafting as an activity?
What do you guys think of it?
>>803382
It's a lot of fun, and the idea that you can do big water safely definitely has mass appeal, but that's why there's already river rafting pretty much everywhere it'd be fun. If you're established, it's a great way to make money. If you aren't, I think it'd be next to impossible to do so. Everywhere that's not unbelievably amazing the rafting company has a monopoly on the river, so breaking the barriers to entry would be difficult, to say the least. Anywhere that doesn't have the localized monopoly has so many companies that one more probably wouldn't be able to grow enough to turn a profit.
TL;DR: sounds fun, probably not so good in practice
>>803409
This is in a third world country, an "exotic" vacation hotspot, lots of tourists and not many rafting companies there at the moment. There are milder routes and a few more white water ones. My partner there is a local working in the area for a while and is quite confident it will work well.
I live by a river which leads to a lake which then leads back around to my house. I get to do that which is pretty much rapids for 2 hours. Its not fun.
I just got my first Trunk Organizer from MIUCOLOR. It's my first time to try a trunk organizer, but i'm very happy that my Trunk won't be like a Mess anymore!!
>2 cents has been deposited into your account
>>803331
This sounds like a horrible attempt at shilling. Sagarino'd.
Just had to cut down a Silver birch from my front yard today. Could not smell it enough! I assume everyone here already loves the smell of freshly cut wood so tell me what it is you love.
Also, is there anyway to get my house to smell of it? I have a lot of wood left over.
Pic related
OP lives in his mom's basement
>>803516
I still live at home but I am 18, what do you want? This wasn't exactly constructive
>>803328
That's a really weird cut.
Are water bottles /out/?
I just ordered pic related - Eastman Tritan BPA free plastic water bottle for 8€. What water bottle do you use and why?
Nalgene or Klein kanteen. /thread
We need Mods to enforce a centralised gear thread...
>modsmods
>>802691
We need faggots to start discussing in water bottle threads instead.