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>>17856696
Looks it is definitely not available in my country, especially how the steering wheel is placed on the right side.

Nah, too big. Wagon is sufficient. Just like a pickup truck is too big. Wagon with trailer is sufficient.

Drove an 8 pax Ford and a 15 pax Chevy for a year, they got pretty shit mileage but were useful as fuck. Take out all the seats and you have storage that's unparalled, and then when you wanna hit up downtown you can take literally all your friends in comfort. Only thing that sucks is you'll definitely give off the rapist vibee with it

>>17856728
Yeah, especially with the Chevy van. The Ford you mentioned looks just kind of weird whereas the Chevy definitely would give off the rapey vibe.

However, I would only get a van I were traveling by myself and I would probably set up a bed or something in the back.

>>17856691
Only reason I'd get a van is if I were to convert it to a camper or needed a better vehicle to take my bike to track days. But if I'm going that far then a LPG delivery van would make more sense.

>>17856741
*if

>>17856691
i would absolutely drive a kei van like an Acty. wouldn't go on the highway, but it'd be a comfy commuter.

>>17856691
Be like a baby boomer and convert it to a luxury conversion van.

But with an old American van, not with those fugly new euro Ford Transit looking vans.

>>17856691
No. I have to drive a Chevy like that for work sometimes. It's a bitch to see out of, Everytime I go to shoulder check I'm looking at a wall. I'd almost rather drive the 16' or 26' box truck. It is really comfy though and even the shitty 4.8 will take most shitboxes off the line.

They're a nightmare to work on which is also a factor.

>>17856691
Van for the van lyfe.

>>17856691
If I needed one, I would buy one.

I don't need one, therefore I do not have one.

>>17856702
What country are you in? Look for Piaggio Porter, its the same thing.

>>17856691
I like vans enough that I'd get two of them if I had the money.

Minivans and passenger vans are comfy as fuck, great for road trips and awesome at hauling people and their stuff.

Cargo vans are just great work vehicles and perfect for a lazy contractor since I can just leave all my tools in it, padlock the doors shut and arm an alarm and it's probably more secure in there than it is in a house or shed.

>>17856691
mauling dirt bikes, just about the only good reason for owning a van.

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seriously considering this.

theyre about 7000 used, come with the older battery which means 50 bucks a month for a 80km range or so

An AWD Chevy Astro Van would be alright for a work van

>>17858187
easy now anon they aren't a prey item.

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>>17856728
>rapist vibee
When will this normie meme fucking die?
Vans are cool as shit and the ultimate roadtrip vehicles, and basically a second home-on-wheels.

>Driving a buttery smooth '02 Econoline at 242k miles and still sturdy. Feels just one step below a comfy rv.

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>>17856691
Fuck yes I would, even though I grew up riding and took my driving test in one, I would still own pic related, and build a sleeper also,
>>17858227
Are fucking sweet, especially after a Subaru swap

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If you consider this a van then yes I drive one.
They are pretty good if you need to carry stuff on the weekdays and use it as a family car on weekends.

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>>17858227
>tfw you will never own a Porsche swapped T3 van converted to pickup with a hatch

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Technically this is a 'light van' because of the removable seats and flat floor. Chrysler were schiesty as fuck and did it to bring up the average MPG of their truck/van line.

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>>17856707
>Wagon with trailer is sufficient.
let's see your shitty little autism wagon pull all THIS, faggot

>>17858332
I don't see how it brought them up, my PGT auto was horrible, couldn't get better than 23 highway

>>17858477
I'm beginning to think the average /o/ anon doesn't understand basic math

>>17858485
Fuck off, I was implying the GT was shit for mileage, which it was
It weighs only 3k lbs, has a low CoD, yet can't get better than 23 highway? come on now

>>17858502
>Chrysler were schiesty as fuck and did it to bring up the average MPG of their truck/van line.
>the average MPG of their truck/van line.
>average
>AVERAGE

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I drive a Honda Element and about half of the people who i drive around call it a van.

It's a fucking SUV on an SUV chassis

>>17858917
sweet van anon

>>17858917
thanks!! :-)

>>17858923
***

>>17858477
My 5-speed gets 31 highway. Also without PT, the average for the trucks was like 14 or 15. PT brings it up to like 17 so they could say their trucks and vans were better on gas tan Chebby or Ferd.

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I have an old GMC 2500 that I got for $500 that I use for camping/roadtrips because it's got a comfy bed in the back and couch-like seats. Wouldn't daily it though.

>>17859038
What's your favourite method of corpse disposal?

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Have a transit for work, want one of these though

>>17856691
Yes an vw transporter typ3 and change its engine with subaru one

>>17856691
To attract pious young white women. Nothing else I can think of.

>>17859212

A professional never shares his secrets.

>>17856691
I own a VW T5. Its actually quite nice.

>>17858917
really cool van

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>>17856696
Rascal a cute

>>17858423
Let's see your monthly payments for all that garbage.

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Perfect for murderbumming

>>17856691

I will probably get a suzuki carry aka rascal or some kind of caddy stealth van to live inside until I can afford a home twenty years from now

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Dajiban, best van.

>>17859564
you again

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post vans

Motorcycle + truck is a great combo, but if you don't live anywhere it snows, replacing the truck with a van could be cheaper and even more practical.

>>17856691
>Would any of you ever get a van?
I really want one, but I live in an apartment, and parking is an issue. I also have a motorcycle, and a bug out moto van sounds like fun.

I'm looking to get an extended wheelbase 2001-2007 Chevy 2500 with 8 lug. Haven't decided if cargo or passenger van is a better foundation. The 6 liter engine is known to be amazing. 4l80e transmission is nearly bulletproof.

You don't have to pimp it out. Just carry an inflatable matress, some containers for your stuff, maybe a dc freezer and a coleman cooler as well as camping stove. Make sure to have a couple folding chairs and a folding table, and you have everything you need to camp.

>>17859575
More than you can afford, pal.

>>17856759
The Ford Transit ones aren't the euro trash knockoffs it's the Dodge promasters that are

>>17856691
i miss my van, shit was so cash
but i never filled the tank up then entire time i owned it
>that fateful day i put $75 in it to get 3/4 of a tank
shit got amazing range tho, drove 400 miles on that one 3/4 tank
t. autotragic '91 chebby G20

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my favorite of my 2 vans just got new tires, wheels, headlights and a wash. Shes got the big ole 5.8

>>17858423
Is that legal in any state that has a population density over 6 people per square mile?

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Mercedes Vito 3.0 Diesel master-race checking in.

Chipped, H&R suspension and 19" AMG rims. Use it for transporting the product I sell around the country.

Pic related:

If the rapist/creepy person stigma wasn't associated with owning a work Van, then I would own one. They seem comfy inside, plus vans are cheaper than trucks under the 2k price range.

>>17856759
>Be like a baby boomer and convert it to a luxury conversion van.
They already sell those new.

>But with an old American van, not with those fugly new euro Ford Transit looking vans.
Oh, I see. You're retarded.

>>17856774
At my work we have a Savanna with the 6.0. Before all the employees beat the hell out of the poor thing it had a really good pickup

Id rather use a hearse.

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>>17865451
Good taste.

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>>17856691
My family's owned a '98 Econoline conversion van since almost new and that thing is fucking great for trips. Personally I think it bridges the gap in that it's tougher than your average minivan but not as rugged as an SUV. Either way space is unparalleled, and my only problem I've ever noticed is that the 5.4 Triton chugs oil like crazy. Although i did replace the window regulator last month and shit was fucking stupid

Hauling a race bike to the track is really the only reason I would

>>17858227
>dat box
>dat syncro
Can't stop cummin desu sempai

>>17859580
Especially if you got the one with the sliding driver side door. You don't even need to get out your seat to catch someone.

>>17858235
>basically a second home-on-wheels.
Not in my usa county (not country). My county got fed up with the homeless crime wave. So the laws were updated and if law enforcement finds someone camping without express permission (kids are allowed to camp in their own yard of course), then on the third offense, the vehicle will be towed to impound. That stopped most of the vehicle camping except a few places that felt liberal enough to defy the county. For example, one gas station (yeah, ha ha) had a spare space to side. The station told the country to shove it, and let homeless vehicles (not tents) park there. There is an apartment that is near a cliff and it owns the otherwise useless land close to the cliff and the base of the cliff. At the base of the cliff is a thin long triangle of unused land. They allow up to two homeless RVs to fit in there. Since the property owner told the county and city, the law enforcement leaves them alone.

But exceptions like that are pretty rare.

What homeless vans try to do is find a business that has similar vans of its own. They then park nearby and blend in with those vans. Or they find streetside parking in an apartment like neighborhood and park streetside.

I've seen lots of places with exterior electric outlets pay money to remove them. Otherwise homeless cars will park there late at night to charge their car batteries or run their appliances. Heck, they even go inside the public library, reserve a study room, and cook in there. Greasy vapors coat the walls. Almost all our library branches modified their study rooms to have a clear glass wall now to be able to monitor what goes on inside. No more cooking or prostitution with the glass wall.

>>17856691
>Would any of you ever get a van?
What you are referring to is a service van. Otherwise, many people have moved on from minivans to get crossovers instead. A crossover is more stylish than a minivan and carries people comfortably. They also have less of a plebian feeling that minivans have.

Service vans like the one OP has stick out like a sore thumb. They are prohibited for outdoors parking in front of homes if they have any type of advertising on them unless that service van is there for a house call to repair something. Otherwise, they are subject to tow immediately but typically anyone that is not obnoxious will get a warning first before any tow occurs. Obnoxious people get towed right away without warning which is how it should be. There should always be incentive for civil decent behaviour, and uncivil neighbors should be treated with the same attitude they dish out onto others.

>>17867303

>They are prohibited for outdoors parking in front of homes if they have any type of advertising on them unless that service van is there for a house call to repair something.

Not true

>>17867048
jesus christ are you in the fucking bay area? van dwelling can be a pretty good way to save money and for people to live on their own suffice they're not cunts to everyone else.

There is enough parking land in the USA that this shouldn't be a issue, and people in vans shouldn't be cunts and use power from the grid specially without permission.

>>17867303
>They are prohibited for outdoors parking in front of homes

You mean like any other car is prohibited from parking on the street? There is no right to street parking, resident or otherwise. There is no such thing as the right to park.

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>>17856751
>Only reason I'd get a van is if I were to convert it to a camper or needed
>>17858235
>Vans are cool as shit and the ultimate roadtrip vehicles,
>>17859038
All of his

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>>17865309
>assmad yuropoor spouting ad hominems yet again

can't help but say i saw that coming. fuck you and your fugly looking soapbar vans.

>>17856691
>Would any of you ever get a van?
I wouldn't get one because of the crime stigma unless my business needed one (which it doesn't).

Homeless use them. Anytime I see an unmarked service van, half the time there will be homeless in them. Used to be lots of vans and sleeper cars at walmart lots until walmart got sick of the car prowls.

Everyone here is sick of crime. It's at the point where if it doesn't have business logos on it, then it is a homeless van. Tow the fuck out of it.

It used to not be this way. But the bad homeless thieving cunts cannot be separated from the well-behaving homeless. So the only solution is to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Why does Australia not have access to cool vans?

And why do all stock van interiors look fucking garbage, its all just 12 different shades of grey, its disgusting.

>>17869944
Suzuki APV is pretty cool. Indo exclusive with the barest of interiors

>>17858227
My Grampa had a Yellow T3 Syncro, sold it last year because the maintance cost got too high, never got the chance to drive it.
So many memories in it...

van? probably not, unless it was a race van.
mini-van? yes. those things are great for road trips or doing shopping trips to costco.

Learned to drive in a '98 chevy 1500 conversion van. Fucking loved it. Vans are great. Main points were, decent mpg, 24 gallon tank, room for a fuckload of people, bed in back, flexsteel seats, reliable as fuck but easy to work on, and it was better in snow than my aunt's honda. We put 300k on that van before we traded it in for a suburban

>>17870262
Also had really nice big mirrors, easy to back up

>>17870262
>decent mpg
Nigga wut, those got like 12mpg city/15 highway

>>17870556
Lol it was roughly 18mpg. Supposedly the conversion company had swapped rear gear, made it a total dog though

>>17870563
If it was a dog and got 18mpg, that's a guarantee they changed the gear ratio, but LMAO they made it slow as shit for 3mpgs

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>>17856691
Sure

>>17870570
are those collectible now?

>>17870567
Lol the 350 had enough balls to get it moving when you made it scream, but yeah acceleration was not the selling point

>>17870593
Kind of, a decent condition C150(?) will run almost 10k

>>17870608
are you shitting me? I know of a old body style ford transit euro version that is going for 1000 bucks, it almost looks like that gmc

>>17870633
Can culture was a thing here though, and ours were powered by small block V8s and diesel V8s, and when one of the full size is in well preserved stock condition, they'll be worth a decent penny

>>17870657
*Van culture

>>17859580
Is that when you murder bums or are you some sort of bum who is also a murderer?

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>>17856691
I wouldn't mind being lured to a van

>>17870903
>are you some sort of bum who is also a murderer?
Bum murderers seem "common". They kill each other though and thus don't make the news. The police and politicians don't seem to care much because those people don't "matter" to society. Their only value is being grist for SJW activists to use in complaints that taxpayers should spend more money paying for apartment homes for the homeless.

Not that guy, but in my USA city, there isn't much budget spent on policing support for the homeless. On top of that, the news media doesn't bother reporting crimes between homeless and that includes homicides. I can say it because a longtime friend of mine is the manager of a funeral home. Clearly, when an area has lots of homeless, there are bound to be deaths and thus dead bodies lying around.

The city and county avoid favoritism by having contracts with lots of funeral homes for budget body pickup and cremation. Each body found goes to the next one on the list after a cursory inspection of the body is done by police forensics at the scene. The funeral home staff then picks up the body wherever it is found such as an alley, the doorway of a business, bushes, or a little tarp shelter by the side of the road. Some of the bodies have stab wounds, yet they don't go to the morgue for coroner analysis like a normal citizen's body would.

>>17871046
>I wouldn't mind being lured to a van
The bait can lure you to a van or SUV or any other vehicle with a claim of help, or need a jump. The bait and accomplice don't even own or have keys to that vehicle. The purpose is just to get you to walk over to a position (or face a certain direction) to be robbed.

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>>17871132
>responding to this seriously

>>17863876

>The product I sell

you mean LSD?

>>17859575
>being poor

>>17860368
that was his point, you cant afford it either thats why you borrowed money to pay for it.

I'd like to live in a van but the local weather wouldn't let me.

>>17858917
>hondacucks actually believe this

>>17871433
>I'd like to live in a van but the local weather wouldn't let me.
Before that, do you even have a reliable place to park it without triggering the police enforcement? There's fewer and fewer places to park as cities pass new laws to stop camping on the streets.

>>17871825
I live in EU, not ''the land of the free''.

>>17871433
They dont sell the Toyota Hiace in the US. Otherwise I'd drive that for my off road camping adventures.

If all else fails I'd import one.

>>17872188
What's so special about it? I think you have the T3 Syncro.

>>17871910
Shitsux on both sides of the pond. It's not legal to live in a van here in Germany either. You need a residential address, and obviously a residence needs to be a permanent residential structure. I haven't tried it yet but theoretically I couldn't even live in an RV in my own backyard.

>>17858917 - nice van

>>17872188
>>17872276
Because it is the god-machine. If you think prices on used Toyota trucks in the US is high, you haven't seen the Hiace prices in the EU. All the working men go nuts for those because they're indestructible and RWD or 4WD.

>>17871433
>>17871910
>weather wouldnt let me
unless youre in southern europe like I am, van dwelling is not possible because its to god damn hot.

but up northern europe I could deal with it, sufice you take proper precautions, like insulating it well, having zero degree sleep bags and other shit like that., a lot or silica gel packs for humidity collection.
>>17871825
you must be a vandwelling curious like me. out in the boonies, you can pretty much park anywhere. i dont know about germany, but i know about US and southern europe, you will never hear the knock in southern europe. in the rural US you will never hear a knock either unless youre retarded enough to park in a very public place, but how would you know unless you know the place right? shit people will call the cops if they see you on the same street going back and fourth as it is so its difficult but not impossible.

>>17872311
>You need a residential address
You need it everywhere. Who is going to punish you for sleeping in your car?

>>17872374
>All the working men go nuts for those
I think that VW and MB vans are more popular here.

>>17872389
I live in northern europe. It would be possible to survive out in the cold but that would beat the purpose. Living in a house and paying bills seems more of a freedom than to live in a van and struggle for basic comfort.

>>17872481
You're from the wrong part of Europoor then.

>>17872481
>>17872493
And by that I mean not from Finland where the Hiace is considered the godmachine.

>>17872493
>>17872498
Yes, I've played MSC. Nissans are more popular there.

>>17872519
..and Toyotas.

>>17872481
>struggle for basic comfort.
i guess that really depends on your climate, i could survive up to 20F in a van no issues, if it stays above 32F you'd not have problems really, between 40F and 50F it would be perfect. Once it gets above 65F you are fucked, the heat will start baking you in there. It is easier to stay alive with your body heat than it is to cool yourself off.

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Why not just have a van and buy a caravan? Then you can park the caravan in a storage unit and sleep there when you need to and not be a complete van dweller

>>17872809
the bigger point of the van dwelling is to reduce expenses vs renting/owning a place, plus having the mobility to get jobs anywhere you want.

>>17872595
>up to 20F
If you let inside surfaces get that cold, the ice from your breath will coat the inside of the van. Since it is ice, it cannot be dried with a fan. When it gets warmer, the ice melts and soaks everything to make mold and bacteria growth.

>>17873125
you under estimate how warm your body temp can warm up a fairly small space. if you're in a bigger van like a transit or a gmc savannah you can actually use a portable propane heater, provided you use some god damn common sense. the cold weather, is far far easier to deal with than 80f and 90f days.

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>>17872595
>Once it gets above 65F you are fucked
What? That's like 18C.

>>17872809
>>17873009
And there are people who enjoy traveling.

>>17873142
>What? That's like 18C.

yeah.. again. its a metal box with the sun shinning on it, dont underestimate the heat your body puts out.

>>17872809
>Then you can park the caravan in a storage unit
None of the storage units allow people to live in them. You'll end up with problems when they see the unlocked storage unit door and open up the unit to see what is going on. Or worse yet, they slap a temporary padlock on the door as a favor to the renter to protect the contents and wait for the renter to show up at their office on their next visit. Meanwhile you are trapped inside the unit and you can't even access much of the door due to your car blocking a lot of access.

>>17873162
I was talking about renting one out, not hijacking one you scumbag

>>17873172
he is aware. storage units are watched by many people, it doesnt matter if youre in a rural or urban area, hundreds of people keep an eye on it if they see something weird because they have their shit in there. if someone is there 24/7 they will get kicked out.

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>>17873156
>dont underestimate the heat your body puts out
Open a window? Maybe park in a shadow? From 25C it could get critical. A good reason to not sit in a van.

>>17873183
THEN HOW WAS BEN AFFLECK ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH IT

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>>17871408

BTFO

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>>17873162
>>17873172
>>17873183
>living in a storage

>>17873195
>From 25C it could get critical. A good reason to not sit in a van.

what do you do if the area you're in is 25c at night time? See what i mean now? I don't think you're thinking through the temperature issues you're going to face even if well insulated. AC systems are not a option in van dwelling, the best you can do is a exhaust fan on the roof of the van and somehow circulating the air in and out, but that will just keep you at outside temp. it becomes more difficult in hotter climates than in cold climates simply because of comfort. in cold climates there is a entirely different can of worms, MOLD. Its a big fucking problem. its all a matter of prepping your build before you get out there and playing with it for a while to see what works for you.

>>17873214

marc maron is a cuck pedophile

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>>17873224
>what do you do if the area you're in is 25c at night time?
Same thing I would always do. Drink, sweat, try to survive. Probably would find a place to camp near a lake or a river. ..or sea.

>>17873257
You recognize your kind or what?

>>17856691
Yes

To live in

>>17873282
>living in a van, down by the river

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>>17873282
>near the sea

It's been over 25 at night last three months here anon. You'd have to sweat your ass off for fucking sure

>>17870237

>Indo exclusive

What does this mean?

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>>17873307
>baltic sea
Sounds bad. I wouldn't live there.

>>17873345
>baltic sea
what? no anon. but in any event. like I said above, van dwelling has its set of issues and not everyone is comfortable at the same temperature, so youd have to play with it and see how comfy you are. your transit makes me think of our local gypsies. oh shit im sorry, gotta be PC now, they're roma people....

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>>17873307

Jesus Christ.

If it was 25C here i'd have to turn off my fan or I'd start shivering

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>>17873363
I got you.
>your transit
I'm just browsing ads. These vans look epic.

>>17873373
you can tell by the colors that it is hot as fuck over there. 1/10 would not live there

>>17856691
Need a van for loli.

>>17873382

Most people get used to the heat. I have had people from Alaska and northern Canada shivering on a "cold night".

The freedom of life is what brings most people here. You don't even need to hide in a van. You find an expanse of bush, build a shack and you now have a house for the next few years.

>>17873469
Where is it?

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If I was doing exactly the stuff I am doing right now but never have to go off the road or go on unplowed roads I'd buy a 4WD Toyota HiAce like the one I use at work

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>>17873511

>tfw they don't sell HiAce in Canadia
>tfw can't get Hilux either

Fuck, I'm missing out on so much rugged quality.

>>17873306
WELL LA-DEE-FRICKEN-DA

>>17873531
Import? You guys have the 15 year rule, meaning you could easily import some fine specimens... right?

>>17873565
>>17873531
but why when they have access to cheaper trucks and vans from US car manufacturers?

>>17873575

because

1.) North American vans are now shit.

2.) Toyota Hilux and HiAce have legendary reliability and durability. They'll outlast anything America builds 10x over.

>>17873565

presumably, but I'd have to secure it from a country like Norway where you drive on the right - most of the Hilux/HiAces seem to sell in third world shitholes like East Asia and Australia

>left hand drive

>>17873586
>blatant Murica bashing
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>>17873586
>Toyota Hilux and HiAce have legendary reliability and durability. They'll outlast anything America builds 10x over.

anon... i think you drank the kool aid. f150 is better quality than youll find in european market of commercial vehicles only to be surpassed maybe by the transit. most of the trucks I see here are mitsubishi.

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>>17873531
You're joking, right?
My uni imported one just to be a campus utility vehicle.

>>17873604
Good point

Not sure you'd like the prices tho... a 2002 with very little rust, 4wd, 240 000km and electric windows as the only luxury will be about 14 000 canuck bucks

>>17873622
>f150 is better quality than youll find in european market

Is it better made or more reliable than a Toyota Hilux? No, and that's what we're talking about.

And for the record, F150s are cheap volume sellers - quality isn't even an afterthought. They're trash vehicles meant to be resold/recycled every few years.

>>17873628

That's hella cute.

>>17873632

If I had oodles of leafbucks to blow I'd import one right away, but even at $14,000 that's still not too bad. $14,000 in Canada will get you a shitty rusted Tacoma from 2002 with the same mileage.

>>17873692
they're more reliable by far. you can go all over the US and find f150s with miles out the ass and still running and they're cheaper than the hilux is, you won't find that many hilux in europe because people will usually do the job with a van.

Just buy a Chevy HHR and call it a day.

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>>17873531
i just want a goddamn 1.5 ton isuzu cab over.

>>17873736

all this defensive poorfag shilling against a truck that isn't even sold in Burgerland

lol

>>17873974
???

im european

>>17873983
Then you really don't know what you're talking about.

F150s are shit, along with Chebby Silleradders and Rams. Stop watching American commercials, they're cancer.

>>17873999
I have worked in the US and used a many F150 and F250 to haul shit and several shit silverados and absolutely tragic dodges. I am aware of the quality in each of those vs what you get in the European market, none of our trucks are above what you'd get out of a Ford Ranger in the US

>>17874003

again you keep citing europoor shit - we have been talking about the Hilux, which is infinitely better than an F150

take your meds already

>>17858423
Why do Amerifats need to bring 40 tons of junk to be able to enjoy the outdoors?

>>17873806

The NPS is the is 4wd version of the 3.5 ton payload NPR.

You want the NLR if you want the 2 ton truck. Much smaller than your pic

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>>17873282
>citing europoor shit we talking about the hilux

The hilux is sold in Europe

>>17874616
>▶

The Hilux isn't European you dildo, it's Japanese

>>17873172
>I was talking about renting one out, not hijacking one you scumbag
I am the poster you complained about. And I am aware as I have rented storage units before to hold my stuff when the house was being remodeled.

I assume you didn't run your own scenario thru your mind to verify that it is a do-able idea. First, if you move the car inside and you remain inside, you have to of course block off the windows. At night, they turn on both ultrasonic and infrared area scanners that scan the ceilings as well as down into many of the storage units. The top ceilings of the ones I know have sturdy wire mesh that is very well fastened down with security bars. But they are transparent enough for IR scanners to peer downwards.

But let's say your place is cheap and doesn't care about anyone's property so no alarms. IF you are inside, you have to have a way to get outside. That means the doors cannot be padlocked. You are inside and cannot re-attach the padlocks much less unlock them.

At general closing, the manager will patrol around and see if doors are damaged or unlocked. At that time, you'll either be caught, or he'll attach a lock to the unit door. That's because in the storage center I used, they lock the empty unrented units too. When they rented it to me, they removed their lock and told me to put my lock on.

So, if you are in there, the door will have no padlocks. That should trigger the manager's suspicions.

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>almost 170 replies
>no based breadloaf

>>17856691
Ford Econovan because why not

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>>17856774
that's what mirrors are for you fucking retard

t. drove delivery in a 6.0 LWB Express with no glass besides the front doors and windshield around NYC for a year

>>17865378
the 6.0 is fucking quick for a bigass van, mine had the "manual" mode on the column shifter, anytime it rained I would go do skids in it, you could just throw it into 2nd and fucking rip it

comfy times

>>17856691
>I'm only asking because it is very rare to see people with vans.
It's not hard to see why these "no window" vans have a bad reputation if they aren't owned by a company.

I see homeless in those vans. One of those was changing its oil in my local walmart parking lot several weeks ago. They dripped a lot on the pavement. I bet they just dumped the oil into one of the nearby store trashcans.

Another case I remember is that the police arrested 2 out of 3 blacks in such a van. The 3rd one successfully ran away and the others refused to snitch on him. They were trading or buying smartphones, tablets, and laptops. The police found a number of stolen electronics in the van.

>>17877823
not everybody is a thief anon, and not everyone is rich

>>17877909
>not everybody is a thief
The problem is that everyone draws a gray line as to when they think homeless might be thieves. As the homeless problem gets more acute, the gray line seems to have unfortunately moved to a pretty low position. I'm not in a HOA area, but where people used to not report to the police, now, if a van none of us own is parked at night, it gets reported. All that is due to the crime rate spiking due to police stats showing most of the delta increase is from the homeless category.

If non-business vans are frequently used by homeless, then the general public will come to view it that way. Look at the how pit bulls have a negative reputation although only some pit bulls are criminals (lunge bites, chases, assaults, guard dogs for druggies or criminals).

Do you blame people for not liking crime? If you do, then you should offer a better solution that actually works. Otherwise, you are just demanding that others support your ivory tower noble ideas by voluntarily having higher crime rates. If there is a suspicious car, report it. Even the police spokeman says to do that at the quarterly block watch meeting.


>>17877909
>not everyone is rich
And this problem will increase as the gap between the top 10% and everyone else grows.

>>17856691
>Would any of you ever get a van?
Are there tips on how to get one in good condition?

>>17874102
More money than sense

>>17878198
I lived in a small town and walked to work it was not far from my place. I used the same street always, all of the sudden I start getting cops called on me for walking the street. People are fucking idiots and consider everything a threat. Crime is just a normal constant in a normal society you'll never get rid of it all. But the use of vans by the homeless is ten times better than them being on the proverbial street under a bridge, there's a higher chance of them getting back on their feet when they have a simple shelter. The thing that bothers me is exactly that, people would rather the homeless were on the street anchored down to a physical place dealing with the elements than having a simple shelter that offers them some dignity, privacy and mobility to go to where the work is, it's the hole thing about making being poor in the USA a crime.

>>17874102
>Why do Amerifats need to bring 40 tons of junk to be able to enjoy the outdoors?
That's because those people don't want to experience ALL of the rough camping or hiking experience but just certain aspects of it. Similarly, one can also say why do these elitists require everyone to experience it their way or be looked down upon? It's rather elitist of them to have the attitude that there's only one way to enjoy the outdoors. One can assume it is their form of "racism" to look down upon other types of people trying to enjoy the outdoors that aren't doing it their way.

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>>17880332
>it's the whole thing about making being poor in the USA a crime.
Those problems and attitudes were in Europe long before the re-discovery of America by Columbus. It was Europe that had the debtor prisons and other similar things that was one of the reasons why people immigrated to the New World as a place to make a fresh start.

The current problem with people living in vans right now is the aphorism "One bad apple spoils all the others in the barrel". The bad van dwellers have created such a bad public reputation that people ended up lumping all the van dwellers together. The public is unable to separate the good from the bad.

For example, you have the classic situation of such a van parking near an elementary school in the daytime. Some greasy haired guy keeps staring at the female students. Is that illegal? No? But you would argue against calling that in because that is discriminatory and use of profiling as a discriminatory tool. But what happened is that the few bad people caused such a stigma to be associated with anyone else behaving in a similar manner. Thus, anyone living in a van now gets the bad stigma.

Who in here doesn't discriminate? Nothing wrong with a car dakimakura right?

>>17856691
Any tips on finding places to park in the city?

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>>17875132
>DEAD, FAT DRUNKS

>>17874102
>Why do Amerifats
Many do not. It is a diverse nation after all. The real problem though is plastic litter.

>>17882781
>Any tips on finding places to park in the city?
You can learn from the homeless. They use the free internet terminals at my public library to use Google Earth overhead maps to find places to hide out or camp at night. The overhead maps are good to see where greenbelts are and how deep the greenbelts are.

>>17856691
Vans like that are nice I guess, but I've already got a w124 wagon and a Sienna at my disposal so I don't really need it

Looks like it'd be comfy though

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>>17867712
I wish some form of '70s van culture would make a comeback, like with all the custom paint, windows, and side murals. Was born a bit too late to see it in full swing, but had hours of fun making custom vans with this mix 'n match toy. It mostly sparked that lifelong van interest, and if I didn't live in the rust belt I'd totally daily a van with bubble windows, mag wheels, and a huge mural of a barbarian fighting a dragon on the side.

>>17858917

i love the honda element

such a cute little crossover thingy.

It's like an FJ cruiser but less jeep-like and more car like.

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>>17887918
>I wish some form of '70s van culture would make a comeback
For that to happen, you need a lot of vans to be around in the hands of normal people. That's because only a small percentage of the van owners would participate in "van culture". That in turn means vans must sell in large numbers, and for that to occur, they need compelling EPA MPG and other economic numbers to compete against cars that the 1970's vans never needed to compete against such as SUV, crossovers, and minivans.

For more than the past ten years, other than a few exceptional van-fan owners, vans (not minivans) have been in the hands of just businesses, police, criminals, and homeless. I've lived in three western states in the past 20 years, and that is the pattern I've seen.

There is also the van stigma. When people see a van parked in the neighborhood, they immediately become suspicious.

Surveillance van for sale:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/182673210638

This van was used by law enforcement and is equipped with a lot of extra stuff!
3 Extra Batteries + onboard charger/adapter
Toilet in the back
2 LCD Screens
Video recorders/Players with all the gadgets
Tape Recorder/Player
INTERCOM
Rear AC/Heat Unit
Propane Tanks
Radars
Amplifiers
A lot of 110V Sockets
* You can turn off/on the engine from the back *
Every door has extra locks!

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>>17889535
>>17856691
>I'm only asking because it is very rare to see people with vans.

Here's an archived /o/ thread about how a certain van showed up in someone's life.
http://archive.4plebs.org/o/thread/17095888/#q17095888