ITT: First album that got you into Jazz
i was a 12 year old starting bassist at the time and that this kind of bass playing was even possible
mindblowing: the album
I know, very entry level of me, but fuck it just has so much compassion and emotion. I fell in love with it.
I'm still at entry-level tho. But jazz is quickly becoming my fave genre.
Same here. I was 13 or 14 years old when I started playing the bass and my teacher recommended me Jaco. So I went to the nearest record store and bought pic related. Still one of my favourite Jazz albums.
To me jazz "classics" are your gateway drug. I'm often surprised by the quality of deeper cuts. That's what gives jazz its legs, you could listen to new albums for years and still be surprised.
it took me WAY too long to hear about this album. imio better then kind of blue
thats cool. that show definitly got me into hardcore japenese jazz like soil and pimp and sleepwalker
Personally, the albums that sparked my interest for jazz are pic related or birth of cool. but the album that got me obsessed with jazz was....
Just got into the genre after discovering these guys. Can't seem to find to much that sounds like them though.
This kind of depends on what you're defining as classics but having been listening to jazz for about 3 years now, having cycled through classics and gone for lessor known stuff, albums like >>55014524
Are still among the very best. There's good reason jazz classics are remembered as such and it's not usually because they were commercial hits at the time.
One of the early Art Blakey live dates.
I know he was just jumping on a bandwagon and was only playing jazz to be popular. I know he contributed no innovations to the jazz repertoire.
But goddamn, in the same way Louis Armstrong does on records like Hello Dolly, Prima had a charisma and force of personality that he brought forward really well in his singing. Even on simple pop records and 12 bar blues he is such a joy to listen to.
Samples of that album
anything with Doug Watkins is a guaranteed hit
>goes back to listening to Interstellar Space
Its abstractions are there for their own sake, and the fanfare surrounding them takes away from their potential impact. Most avant-garde jazz albums have the bold strides in new directions follow behind the music organically.
A Love Supreme, meanwhile, is rigid and sterile in its pedantic fixation on its "ideas". It doesn't breathe or flow in a natural way. It feels more essayist, something you listen to so you can write a thesis on it afterwards. Compare it to, say, Coltrane Plays the Blues, which is actually enjoyable.
gonna love it, Watkins is a king on cello. I think only Pettiford was better than this guy
yes they are, as often it's only one album that keeps getting posted because most people don't take the time to check the others
so why are you comparing them
The whole albums exists as Coltrane's offering to God. It might sound superficial to you, but I don't doubt Coltrane's sincerity.
Fair enough. I don't find it as rigid and sterile as you seem to, but to be honest I enjoy a lot of technical, but not really soulful, jazz. That's not to say I don't like the more emotional stuff, (i'm >>55015919) but I enjoy the academic side of jazz aswell.
Also i'm the guy that called you a pleb and i guess i take that back.
hes contrasting them
>so why are you comparing them
Coltrane Plays the Blues could be perceived to have a lack of ambition compared to A Love Supreme, but I jus think that means it has its priorities straight.
Coltrane Plays the Blues isn't as shackled to its concept, it isn't as pleased with itself. It's just a cracking good spin.
You're not helping. Any album that forces me to do homework has failed. If you can't communicate any of this on the record you have to wonder how succesful this is.
No. I'm probably a pleb. Being a patrician is too much work. At least this way I won't be disappointing anyone.
>You're not helping. Any album that forces me to do homework has failed.
Sorry, I'm not interested in helping you just because you don't like thing. I don't care at all about what you think about the album. But information is out there.
I guess reading liner notes is second nature to me (Anthony Braxton often forces me to do "homework").
so what, I can contrast apples and bananas and nothing will come out of it except they taste different, one is sphere shaped and its color is green, red or yellow, and the other one is thick shaped and curvy and is yellow
well have you tried to listen to A love supreme without thinking of it as a concept but rather as a "stream of fervour"
Kinda strange though because usually people don't start with free jazz.
I still don't listen to more tha a handful jazz albums, I should dig deeper.
>well have you tried to listen to A love supreme without thinking of it as a concept but rather as a "stream of fervour"
As a habit I try not to go into any album with a predisposition towards it. If it's good it'll establish the tone it needs to.
If that means I'd have to listen to A Love Supreme again I'd rather not
What did you think of 9 Compositions (Iridium) 2006? I found reading the liner notes to this really interesting.
Shame I can't find Graham Lock's Forces in Motion anywhere this side of the Atlantic.
Probably a weird first jazz album, but it's just incredible. Still my favourite album of all time. Absolutely blew my mind when I first heard it, and still does every time I listen to it.
>I haven't heard that one yet.
Well, it's one of his later works. A mammoth box set. It's last of the Ghost Trance Music series of albums. I think I most enjoy Braxton's quartet albums from the 1980s/early 1990s.
Anyway, good tidings to you and happy listening!
I guess that's your interpretation. You could make this argument for a lot of very innovative music both in and outside of jazz.
Even other Coltrane albums like Giant Steps could be made out to be sterile and calculating in it's employment of unnecessary harmonic ideas that clutter the music.
I never thought of ALS as anything other than impassioned and sincere though. As >>55016221
Pointed out, it's a deeply spiritual and religious album and I really connected with it in a way that I don't often connect with music. Same deal for Ascension which is really connected with ALS (thematically as well as links structurally, references to melodies from ALS, etc.). I believe it and ALS were pushing new ideas was out of a desire to find a deeper form of expression of his ideas as opposed to wanting to be innovative for it's own sake.
when the two things you want to contrast are as radically different as Plays the blues and A love supreme, I find it indeed quite useless to contrast them in their wholeness. however, contrasting Coltrane's playing and idea organization in both albums would be interesting
I would listen to A Love Supreme on a beats pill while getting shivved in the kidneys before I listen to that piece of shit again.
I know what A Love Supreme was TRYING to do, and that's the problem. I was never immersed, because its concept was this eighty pound whale sitting in the middle of everything, blocking my view. Fuck off, I'm here to see a show.
Not the best for a starter maybe but every track has it's own magic, as any jazz standard can be, but with joe's spirit inside very clearly. At the same time the album is a whole demostration of jazz guitar mastery, at its best
I actually got the feeling you wouldn't be into GS as I was posting it. I'm sure you could apply that argument to an innovative album you do like to catch my meaning.
>I know what A Love Supreme was TRYING to do, and that's the problem. I was never immersed, because its concept was this eighty pound whale sitting in the middle of everything, blocking my view. Fuck off, I'm here to see a show.
Lol'd at this. I'm going to describe every concept album I don't like this way.
can anyone rec an artist album or subgenre that sounds like tank! (the intro song) and bad dog no biscuit?
it's like really hyped up and loud, most jazz i've listened to so far is fairly calm even for the more faster paced ones (i probably sound really pleb i dont know much about jazz yet)
Hence Dizzy. >>55016700
Big band playing bebop, just a little bit of dissonance with odd harmonic and melodic ideas. Plus Dizzy is charismatic as fuck and has God tier trumpet tone. Obviously you're missing some of the modern elements that went into the cowboy bebop soundtrack but the bear bones are there.
Same thing with Mingus but you get to keep some of the bluster elements with more dissonance and really cool timbres.