Real Talk (Talk)

>>52166209
I remember a nice group...but it was just false post rock, and since you don't want that, my reply has no meaning.

>>52166209
Ironic shitposting aside those are some great fucking albums. It's missing Macha though

>>52166209
D.I. Go Pop is the best, discuss

>>52166209
can anyone explain what makes them like eva luna? seems pretty boring but want to hear other peoples opinions on ir

>>52166807
I dunno. It sounds sort of raw and noisy. I don't like the guy singer though.

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Is Isn't Anything proto-post-rock?

>>52168077
Not at all, where did you get that idea?

>>52168077
No.

>>52166209
>DI
>Stereolab
>Flying Saucer Attack
>Real anything
>shiggy

>>52166209
You can't expect to be taken seriously without including Hex on your chart.

You pleb, you.

>>52166209
The fact that GY!BE influenced third-wave crescendocore bands doesn't make them any less relevant in terms of 90s post-rock.

>>52168211
>>52168166
Guys. You're right. I forgot some. Even Yume Bitsu was 90s I just realized. It's unfair to have DMST and not Godspeed.

>>52168282
You should have neither

Yes to Yume though

Hating Godspeed is a meme. Their 5 albums are the 5 best recordings in music

>>52168095
I dunno, that kinda noisy, dark sound that you see in these 90s alt bands.

>>52168381
You can say that about damn near the entirety of post-punk

>no down colorful hill on that list

>>52168381
>dark sound that you see in these 90s alt bands
but that has nothing to do with post-rock

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>>52168402
>post-punk
>post-rock
>post

Is post-punk proto-post-rock?

*Looks at the Swans
>post-punk
Hmmmm. Maybe. Maybe.

*looks at pic related
Hmmmmmmmm.

>>52168439
Hmmmmm.

Anyone have any other recommendations??

>>52168439

Who cares Glenn Branca is fantastic.

Reminder that TNT is the best Tortoise album

>>52170655
Reminder that TNT is the best album overall

>>52171351
Reminder that TNT is the most album

Yeah, I listen only to real post-rock. Pram, Gastr del Sol, Moonshake, the list goes on...

>>52171383
8.3 best new meme

>>52171405
>the list goes on...
he did it! he did the meme!

>>52166807
Is Eva Luna even post-rock?

>>52168439
Swans post-punk stuff isn't remotely post-rock.

Glenn Branca (and This Heat's first album) are post-rock though.

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>>52166209
>real post-rock

>>52171551
butthurt first wave fag detected

>>52171583
it is
Also Metal Box/Flowers of Romance are also early post-rock albums
>>52171405
haha, I like those good bands too

>>52171585
>>52171627
In all honesty though, I like first wave. It's just that I feel a lot of it is hideously overrated for hipster cred and a lot of first wave fans seem to completely disregard 2nd wave. I can imgaine completely disregarding 3rd wave because it's pretty much all the same shit but come on.

>not camofluer instead of serpintine
>no GY!BE
>no the for carnition
>moonshake
>fly pan am is pretty not good

christ almighty

>>52171693
>GY!BE
So how's being 14 treating you? How about you actually listen to real post-rock?

>>52171627
How is it though? Just sounds like noise rock to me.

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>>52171710
>I only like real post-rock. Disco Inferno, Slint, Gastr del Sol, Moonshake, the list goes on...

>>52171710
how is gy!be not real post-rock? not enough polyrythems for you?

>>52171735
It's true though. They are true post-rock. GY!BE is not, it's crescendocore.

Fuck GY!BE for ruining real post-rock forever.

>>52171752
But Godspeed were just doing what Slint already did. You are not allowed to like one and hate the other.

>>52171752
>crescendocore
>Oh look mom, i just learned a new buzzword, I'm sure gonna show those GYBE and ITS fags!

Honestly explain to me what's wrong with crescendos, they're good in moderation, also it's not their fault they ruined the genre, that'd be like blaming MBV for ruining shoegaze because of their clones

>>52171693
>not camofluer instead of serpentine
I think you meant Upgrade and Afterlife
Also what's wrong with Moonshake?
>>52171675
Yeah, to be honest a lot of first wave fans are like that, though that shouldn't reduce the enjoyment you get out of those first wave bands
>>52171730
I'd say it's more noise pop. The drums and guitars on this album are used in an an unusual way, plus the krautrock and dub influences help too

>>52171744
No, too much bland and cheesy chamber instrumentation and crescendo wankery on top of a shallow LOL WE'RE SO PUNK FUCK DA SYSTEM aesthetic. And you idiots just eat it up.

>>52171779
Slint and GY!BE are nothing alike. Actually educate yourself before putting on a trip.

>>52171796
>they're good in moderation
Oh jeez, are you fucking serious? Just listen to the first wave, they don't need endless plodding crescendos to keep the listener's attwention. They do that by actually doing something new and experimental with traditional rock instrumentation rather than wanking over meandering builds.

I suggest checking out the Soul Static Sound catalog. Some rare cuts from groups like Tortoise, Ui, HiM, Directions, Ganger, To Rococo Rot, and others. Recently picked up the Directions in Music lp on vinyl.

>>52171809
camofleur is the most coherent gastr del sol release imo
upgrade and afterlife has rebecca sylvester tho

moonshake? i wouldnt call them post rock, id file them under post punk. good band though

>>52171811
>Slint and GY!BE are nothing alike
Actually listen to the music before spouting off misinformed opinions.

>>52171675
I agree with you completely

>>52171811
>no true scotsman
GYBE is post-rock, every site thinks so

Slint had lots of crescendos on their album

>muh experimentation
>something new and experimental
not at all
Also many 1st wave albums seem to drag for too long

>>52171811
>No, too much bland and cheesy chamber instrumentation and crescendo wankery

give me an example of a song that contains this wankery

>Slint and GY!BE are nothing alike.
whatever you say guy

Goddamnit. Why do these threads always devolve into crescendocore arguments. It's as pointless as arguing about religion and whatnot.

Anywhoo, I was wondering if I could get some recs on some stuff that sounds sonically similar to Disco Inferno. I'm going to listen to all the stuff in OP's chart, but I figured since there's already a thread up...

>>52171841
I wouldn't say they're nothing alike, but GY!BE definitely wasn't doing the same thing that Slint did. Slint's music had far more emphasis on melody, as well as having a much different atmosphere.

Regardless of what you think of either band, you can't say they did the exact same thing

>>52171827
I dunno, Upgrade & Afterlife is probably my favourite because of the lack of proper rock instrumentation. I really dig the folk influences that album has
>>52171841
I don't see the comparison either. The way I see it GYBE make chamber music with field recordings and Slint make post-hardcore/math rock

>>52171866
You could check out Fridge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMs_241gvBY

>>52171924
That's really fucking cool. Thanks anon.

>>52171982
Happiness is one of my favorite post-rock albums. Fridge is actually a band that Four Tet was in before becoming Four Tet

>>52168439
is no wave post new wave?
is new wave post punk?
no wave = post post punk = post hardcore
post hardcore =10/10 nu metal

the epinnes

>>52172804
Rock is just post-blues.

>>52166209
>I listen to real Post-Rock
>no 70s stuff
No, sorry :/

>>52168077
Nope. These are
King Crimson - Larks Tongues in Aspic
This Heat - This Heat
Henry Cow - Legened
Can - Tago Mago
Glenn Branca - The Acension

>>52173191
Do you like any 2nd or 3rd wave post-rock?

>>52173214
Haven't really tried to get into it. Not because people say it's bad (I'm pretty sure there's a lot of great stuff), just because I haven't.
I do like the bands have this "dynamic shift" sound, like Ahleuchatistas, Dilute, and Deerhoof (if that counts)

Is Cloudkicker post-rock or post-metal?

Can you guys stop pretending Second Wave and Third Wave actually exist?

There's the first wave of 90s post-rock artists, then there's everything after it.

>people arguing 1st wave is better
>people arguing it's all good
>both sides imply there's even such a thing called post-rock
it's not a real thing, you plebs.

>>52173191
Legend and the ascension are the only ones of those who are even remotely post-rock

>>52173276
But Second Wave is actually great
3rd wave just tries to copy the success of previous artists

>>52173296
Word, post-rock in vagueness is only second to rock.

>>52173296
It "could" be an actual thing, but at this point it's all very arbitrary.

>>52173303
Do you even Larks Tongues Part 1?
Do you even Horizontal Hold?
Do you even Halleluwah?

WEG, WEG&Mono, Farewell Poetry, the list could go on...

>>52173191
What about this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffr0opfm6I4

>>52173248
Well most of it is essential /mu/core

And I heard Deerhoof are good, which album should I listen to?

>>52173296
Post-rock is just a subgenre of prog rock

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I want to ask again, how do you "trve first wave" fags feel about post-metal? favourite bands?

90s albums by Circle are something people in this thread would likely enjoy, it kind of combines krauty repetition with the alt rock sound of the decade. The earliest EPs are pretty much Loop/Spacemen 3 worship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG80berrskM

>>52173350
Milk man

>>52173296
Here's a cool article talking about 90s experimental scene.

>>52173350
>Well most of it is essential /mu/core
And?
Still, only GY!BE is, but I couldn't really get into it.
Check out Apple O'. It's very "explosive".
>Post-rock is just a subgenre of prog rock
Not really true. I mean, some Prog Rock bands did the same Post-Rock bands would, but Post-Rock evolved on it's own.
And TVU could fit, but I'm not really sure.

>>52173391
Damn this album has horrible cover, it better be good

>>52173413
lel

>>52173413
http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/6088-the-lost-generation/

lol

>>52173428
Nah mang, it's cute

I wouldn't call that or deerhoof post-rock though

>>52173425
>TVU could fit
How?

>>52173191
You forgot about Metal Box.

>>52173350
>Post-rock is just a subgenre of prog rock
bullshit. slint is considered "post-rock" and they definitely not a prog rock band
again, post-rock is not a thing
stop arbitrarily putting these bands together as if they "belonged" together or whatever
nerds

>>52173444
Apple O could fit, it's filled with "sonic explosions", like sped up Post-Rock crescendos. Do you get what I mean?

>>52173470
Haven't listened to it yet, that's why.

>>52173461
It has that feeling on Heroin where it gets more and more intense.

>>52173470
and The Flowers of Romance

>>52173430
>>52173413
this has nothing to do with "post-rock". it's just a bunch of independent label-signed bands

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>>52173425
>only GY!BE is
Yes, but Mogwai and Sigur Rós are pretty damn popular

>>52173477

Post-rock is just a subgenre of prog rock
Ok, I know it sounds dumb, but they have some things in common

Also, I once said that Sigur Rós don't deserve to be thrown with all other 2nd/3rd wave bands because their stuff is way more dream pop influenced and less reliuant on build-ups. Plus they are actually willing to progress somehow, like on Valtari even though many people disliked it.

>>52173500
>Apple O
From what I see all tracks are under 3 minutes, that's not really post-rock in my dumb opinion

>>52173511
>Post-rock is just a subgenre of prog rock
>Ok, I know it sounds dumb, but they have some things in common
It really isn't, dude. That's like saying punk rock is a sub-genre of 50's rock n' roll.

>>52173539
I'd love to see your definition of post-rock

>>52173552
>>52173557
The more I think about it the more I think it's one of these dumb names people use to make themselves feel cool.
>Oh I've got great taste, I listen to post-rock, art rock and baroque pop

>>52173575
refer to: >>52173296
this is what i've been saying all along

>>52173585
Yeah, I guess you're right

>>52173600
ironically though, by pointing out that certain people just use the term to make themselves look more cool, we are on our own hand making ourselves sound more cool too.
this whole "self-referencing thing" can be really fucking pointless sometimes.

>by pointing out that certain people just use the term to make themselves look more cool, we are on our own hand making ourselves sound more cool too
damn...

>>52173680
ikr

meme thread anyone?

Art Rock: Focus on Unusual Instruments and Sounds
Progressive Rock: Focus on Structure and Melody/Harmony
Post-Rock: Focus on Texture, and/or Build Ups or Dynamic Shifts
Math-Rock: Focus on Irregular Rhythms

Agree or Disagree?

>>52173511
Maybe one or two years ago. I don't even remember the last time I saw Mogwai posted here.

>>52173539
It is. The build ups are short, but intense.

>>52173505
1. I never stated as such.
2. It has numerous post-rock bands that cross with it and describes the post-rock scene giving more legitimacy to the claim of the existence of post-rock
3. Owned

>>52173936
please kill you are self

>>52173963
Why exactly?

>>52173936
>Agree or Disagree?
These genre definitons are easy to make but hard to apply

>>52171693
>talking shit about Fly Pan Am

Easely best 2nd wave Post-Rock.

>>52173991
What do you mean?

>>52173992
>Easely best 2nd wave Post-Rock
Really? I listened to something and didn't find them that good

>>52174014
These definitions are too arbitrary

>>52174026
Really? Could you name a band from those genres that don't fit the definition I gave?

>>52173963
seconding this, the world would be a beautiful place with avant-math god

>>52174044
Long Fin Killie

>>52174069
>with avant-math god
without******************

>>52174026
I guess it's just not for everyone, but Fly Pan Am was right there and had its spot in the 2nd wave scene.
Just GY!BE, Set Fire To Flames, Hangedup, etc.

>>52174075
Elaborate please, haven't heard them.

>>52174069
>>52174084
:c

>>52174044
Some first wave post-rock don' really fit your definition
Some art rock bands like Wire or Peter Gabriel use simple instruments

>>52174069
Why

>>52174093
then go listen to them you fucking mong

i mean seriously if you haven't listened to Houdini, you shouldn't be acting like you have some solid grasp of post-rock

>>52174114
What makes those bands Post-Rock then?
What makes Wire or Peter Gabriel Art Rock then?

>>52174122
You should be able to explain why they fit the definition of Post-Rock if they don't follow the one I posted before.
>you shouldn't be acting like you have some solid grasp of post-rock
But I don't.

>>52174157
Nothing, it's a dumb term

>>52174157
If you don't then don't try to fucking define it

>>52174114
But Wire is Post-Punk. What 1st wave doesn't fit? Please explain how. Haven't listened to Peter Gabriel's solo stuff, is it good?
>>52174093
Don't worry, i like you

>>52173386
I like a lot of first wave, though I wouldn't call myself a first wave fag. I like atmosludge a lot, but it's hard to come across good stuff since to some degree it suffers from the same problem as thrid wave where a lot of artists try and copy a small set of succesful predecessors.

My favorites would be:
Neurosis
ISIS
Old Man Gloom
Cult of Luna
Amenra
Dirge

>>52174172
I don't feel like explaining now, I'm tired
As I said I think these genres are fancy terms with little actual meaning.

>>52174169
I would say I know enough to make a statemnt like that.
Why don't you, The Post-Rock Expert, offer a better definition?

>>52174167
Yeah, it's dumb, but what I said is the only unifying element Post-Rock bands have.

>>52174172
I like you too :3

>>52174194
Nope. The genres are real, the difference is that they have been missused so much that they lost credibility.

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>>52174189
Nice taste

These copying bands would be Pelican, Shels and Russsian Circles?

Check this album out, easily my favorite in recentyears, combines elements of prog, doom and sludge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7FFIVI86iQ

>>52174215
Legit good album, meme or not.

>>52174251
>These copying bands would be Pelican, Shels and Russsian Circles?
Pretty much. Stuff like Rosetta and Mouth of the Architect are also pretty bad offenders IMO.

Also thanks for reminding me to check out Blindead. I've been hearing nothing but good stuff about them but I keep forgetting to actually get around to listening to them. Will check out.

>>52174288
Rosetta's first album was really good though

>>52174302
I think it's pretty decent but still rather derivative, which is not bad in itself but it still kinda nags at me. FromWake/Lift on they keep using this really grating lead guitar tone and past that I just kinda give up.

Maybe I'm a little hard on Rosetta lately because they've kind of lost their lustre to me. I dunno.

>>52166209
Take out Sigur Ros and fucking Mogwai and replace them by Bark Psychosis and Mark Hollis.

>>52166209
Why doesn't this genre exist anymore?
It has every reason to but it just doesn't anymore, it doesn't make sense.

>>52174370
Hey now, Young Team and Agaetis Byrjun are good albums. Not first wave, but still good.

The lack of Bark Psychosis is an absolute travesty though.

>>52174370
>Take out Sigur Ros
Why

>>52174402
It does still exist in some form, it's just not nearly as prevalent as third wave EitS ripoffs. I mean, there's Grails, Radian, Tarentel's later stuff (interesting case as they started out as 2nd wave but became more first wave as they went on), hell even that These New Puritans album that came out last year was Talk Talk as fuck. It's harder to come by but not extinct.

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Anyone ever listen to this one?

>>52174370
Wait, no Bark Psychosis? What the fuck. And this chart has a bunch of more obscure albums too.

>>52174370

young team is GOAT, i'll hook you in the fucking gabber

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What about this album?
It's got some Stereolab-esque textural stuff going on.

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Crude MS Paint edits! Not OP!
Still missing some things like Crescent or Slint-likes like Rodan or whatever the fuck you guys like, but I took suggestions from this thread. I'm sorry your fave album didn't make it.

>>52174935
This is pretty good

>>52174935
Good, though replace ECIM with China Gate and Silver Apples with Sound of the Satellites and maybe add Bowery Electric - Beat

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>>52166209
Opinions?
One of my favourite albums this year

First things first, these the realest.

Durutti Column - The Return of the Durutti Column
Pan American - Pan American
Ganger - Hammock Style
Tarentel - Ghetto Beats From The Surface of the Sun
Sam Prekop - Sam Prekop
Disco Inferno - The 5 EP's
Boris & Merzbow - Rock Dream
Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest
Exhaust - Enregistreur
Do Make Say Think - Goodbye Enemy Airship the Landlord is Dead
Jim O'Rourke - Bad Timing
Gastr Del Sol - Camofleur
Roy Montgomery - Temple IV
Set Fire to Flames - Signs Reign Rebuilder
Southpacific - Constance
The Evpatoria Report - Golevka
Bowery Electric - Beat
Stereolab - Emperor Tomato Ketchup
Jessamine - Jessamine
Moonshake - Eva Luna
Labradford - Prazision LP
The Samuel Jackson Five - Easily Misunderstood
Brokeback - Field Recordings From the Cook County Water Table
Tribes of Neurot / Walking Time Bombs - Static Migration
Lift to Experience - The Texas Jerusalem Crossroads
Macha - See it Another Way
Manta Ray - Manta Ray
Shalabi Effect - Feign to Delight Gaiety of Gods
Circle - Prospekt
Rhys Chatham - An Angel Moves too Fast to See
Ewa Braun - Stereo
Pram - The Stars are so Big, the Earth is so Small... Stay as You Are
John Fahey & Cul De Sac - The Epiphany of Glenn Jones
Laika - Sounds of the Satellites
Friends of Dean Martinez - The Shadow of Your Smile
Tortoise - A Lazarus Taxon
Flying Saucer Attack - Flying Saucer Attack
Bark Psychosis - Hex
Hood - Cabled Linear Tracion
Seven Percent Solution - All About Satellites and Spaceships
Th' Faith Healers - Imaginary Friend
Th' Faith Healers - Lido
Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space
Stereolab & Nurse With Wound - Simple Headphone Mind
Fridge - Sevens and Twelves
The American Analog Set - From Our Living Room to Yours
Hash Jar Tempo - Well Oiled
Seefeel - Quique

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>>52174935
>Houdini
>good

>>52175466
John Fahey AND Cul de Sac??

>>52175367
The end of this song reminds me of like Franz Ferdinand or something.

TAKE ME HOME

>>52175524
Fuuuck. LFK made plebcore2k14??

B R B Delee TING.

>>52175534
Yeah man, it's bad ass. Look up "the new red pony" on Youtube.

>>52175524

also known as facebookcore.

>>52175611
glenn jones is bretty cool.

alot of people do the takoma guitar ting and render it boring and limp... jones really keeps it fresh

>>52175524
This chart is truly amazing, I've never seen an attempt to piss off so many fanbases at the same time