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Music is objective. Music is mathematics at it's foundation,

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Music is objective.

Music is mathematics at it's foundation, and mathematics is objective. In math, something can be more naturally disordered than another.

Also, if music is subjective, why do we bother arguing about how music A is better than music B? We must believe we can reach some kind of objective conclusion, otherwise it's pointless.
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Fuck you, now I want chocolate.
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wait how is that gif possible??????
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>>51114146
The qualities of a musical piece are objective.
The quality is subjective.
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Math is applied logic
Logic is a metaphysical construction
Metaphysics is a fiction

omg some people don't listen to your precious classical music, horrifying right
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>>51114146
Also
>Also, if music is subjective, why do we bother arguing about how music A is better than music B? We must believe we can reach some kind of objective conclusion, otherwise it's pointless.

We argue because sometimes it's enjoyable to exchange opinions. Not all discussions are undertaken in the pursuit of an objective conclusion. Sometimes the discussion is it's own purpose.
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>>51114146
Which is prettier
5+5=10
or
2+8=10
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a picture of a face with a winking eye
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>>51114146
>We must believe we can reach some kind of objective conclusion, otherwise it's pointless.
Why?
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>>51114449
5+5=10 by FAR
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>>51114458
I'm assuming the guy is a STEM major of some sort, so it's likely a product of his outlook on life; everything has to have a utilitarian 'point'. Which, you know, makes a lot of sense in the sciences, but less so in the arts.
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>>51114449
10+0=10 is prettiest
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>>51114532
You get what im getting at yeah?
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>>51114449
4(3) - 2 = 10

Look at how each digit when viewed in a linear sequence from left to right down the length of the equation counts down from 4 to 0. Fucking beautiful.
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order vs disorder doesn't equal objectively good vs bad though
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>>51114146
Silly mortal pleb, thinking your 3rd dimensional mathematics mean anything at all. There is only consciousness and perspective, "reality" forms itself and its "laws" around these two things.
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>>51114454

can someone tell me what the sleight of hand here is
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>>51114609
The red and purple segments slowly increase in length at the bottom while you're paying more attention to the brown pieces.
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>>51114562
that's p cool actually

EOTYAY
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>>51114609
it's an explanation of this gif
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>>51114609
wow dude
the gif is actually the one that shows it
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is any music based off of the god grid? i hope so

i've been obsessing over it for over a month
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>>51114146
Because instinctive tribe mentality.
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>>51114707
Sounds like one of the stupid ass gimmicks that Tool would use to feign philosophical depth.
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>>51114146
Except that in math, the axioms are arbitrary.
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>>51114449
1+9=10

It's like a struggle between self-identity and conformity.
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musical theory is objective

the actual quality of it is subjective.

Fuck off.
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>>51114707
Pls explain
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>>51114532
>>51114558
Symmetry is so plebeian.
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>>51114707
I wonder if you could devise a twelve-tone grid based on the god grid.
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objectivity is subjective
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>>51114602
Nice try, Borges!
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>>51114808
I was saying there's still a subjective element to math, so what OP is saying is a little off
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>>51114845
Oh, I agree. That being said, symmetry is plebeian. :P
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>>51114845
Yeah, we all get it, we're just pointlessly arguing about the aesthetic value of equations for goofs and giggles.
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>>51114767
this, it doesn't make it any more objective than any other human "rational" construction.
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>>51114146
>mathematics is objective

Numbers are just symbols civilization as decided upon as representations of quantity. If one day, everyone decided that 2 + 2 = 5, it would be correct. We can do that, since only we control language. Numbers are just abstract concepts. Therefore, who is it to say that I can't believe that 2 + 2 = 5? Why isn't that subjective?
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>>51115006
>Numbers are just symbols civilization as decided upon as representations of quantity.

Ok, define "Numbers" however you want, but that isn't how anyone else uses the word. When people say "number", they refer to the mathematical entity, not the symbol
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>>51115164
When people refer to the "mathematical entity" they are referring to the symbol
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>>51114707
This is literally the most autistic thing I've seen on this website in months lmfao
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>>51114803
It's a multiplication table where you add all digits together.
10 = 1+0
57 = 5+7 (12 = 1+2)

For some reason 9 and multiples of 3 act different than other numbers
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>>51115319
haha #autism
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>>51115339
I don't no too much of the conceptual aspects of math (schools usually don't focus on that), but if I had to make any guess I'd say because the numbers you use are modular (after 9 they repeat back to 1). I imagine the same thing would happen if you cycled to 10.
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All you've gone and done is reminded everyone that music does, indeed, exist.

Mathematics has nothing to do with the discussion of musical aesthetics.
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>>51115471
>music does, indeed, exist
Prove it.
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>>51115304
I dont know what to say, other than that is simply not true
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>>51114146
Music = Entertainment
Music =/= Science
You = Idiot
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>>51114562
cool for plebs but lame as shit when you remember that base-10 is arbitrary
>>51114556
top taste
>>51114774
stop applying human narratives to your numbers
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>>51115967
=/= ≠ ≠
you ≠ smart person
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