Why is J-Pop not as successful as K-Pop?

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>>49889711
Dunno

>>49889807
>>49889711

good thread

>>49889711
Girl's Generation boomed. Demand for kpop boomed. Jpop artists became less competitive / relevant.

>>49889711
PSY

>>49889711
Korea just panders to Westerners better than Japan.

Because a lot of J-pop has actually interesting song structures and shit like that just doesn't fly in the States.

>>49889711
Japan panders to Japan, Korea panders to Korear and accidentally let Gangnam Style out of korea

>>49889711
who is that i want to stick her penis in me

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>>49890180
this

>>49889711
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Wave

tl:dr Japanese make actual music instead of literally fabricating soulless culture

Because Japan has all these retarded copyright laws that make it almost impossible for the international market

>>49890180
Link some j-pop that deviates from the verse-chorus-verse structure.

Don't pull any of that Shiina Ringo out either.

>>49890305
Won't link but here are some bands:
Boris (their pop stuff)
Melt Banana
Mass of the Fermenting Dregs

>>49890324
lmao

Those are all guitar music bands, who are at least moderately successful in the West. They're at least "known".

OP is talking about stuff like idol groups and individual artists making radio music.

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Too kawaii

America still associates Japan with those faggy cartoons that corrupt the minds of the youth with non-American values. Also both countries are not quite over WWII yet.

>>49889711
Because japanese companies block their artists videos and live perfs on youtube so no one can watch them and korean companies on the contrary make everything available.

Also musically i find the jpop vocalists to be extremely similar, the males sing in the same baritone and the girl with the stupid kiddie voice that they love
Vocalists in kpop have normal but distinguishable voices.

Because Koreans market their pop you other countries while Japan markets to nowhere because their pop culture has barely been relevant to the rest of the world since the early 00's.

Because K-pop has been jocking all the 'murican pop trends like trap and dubstep and all that bullshit whereas J-pop still sounds influenced by 90's stuff like eurodance

Gangnam Style is pretty much the only K-pop song I can get any level of enjoyment out of. Never understood the appeal of Girls Generations, besides the obvious idol thing.

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>>49889711
Because even weeaboos don't listen to actual jpop, they just listen to their favorite animoos music.

>>49890522
That's not true, you just don't notice all the Japanese shit anymore because they've already established themselves so firmly and for so long. There are probably some kids that don't even know that Pokemon and Street Fighter are not American franchises.

>>49890577
You're pretty much listening to the weird al of kpop, your missing some good stuff

>>49890386
Well who fucking listens to radio music on /mu/?

>>49890606
We're talking music here, who gives a shit about videogames also those are 90s franchises, way to prove his point

>>49890606
So jpop isn't popular because it's established for so long?

Umm

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Pretty sure that Perfume at least is at Girls' Generation level popularity, right?

Japan's music market is the second largest in the world
Top jpop groups/soloist can sell millions more than kpop groups because of this
Kpop is only more popular in surrounding asian countries because of it's image
I'd say the western fanbase is more evenly split with maybe a few more jpop fans because it's been around longer

>>49890608
I didn't even like Gentleman. It was just that one song and nothing else.

>>49890577
>Girls Generations
This was a typo, by the way. I'm an idiot but I'm not that far gone.

>>49890652
Nah, GG fills concerts in america, SEA, japan and korea, they even had some in europe. Perfume is just in japan

>>49890673
that's why kpop groups go to Japan to earn more dollars too

>Japan continues to be anal and remove/block Jpop videos on youtube
>Korea doesn't

I wonder

>>49890709
This to
Korea has kind of embracing western mediums while Japan is content with staying in their own sphere

>>49890305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCcQeifHMkg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unJkmG5Tkwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oFuMCnUCpw

But you were talking about radio pop uhhhh.... I don't really listen to much of that. I dunno what they play on the radio but I think I remember a few early capsule tracks that fit your criterion.

Heck maybe there are some experimental K-pop artists too but they're harder to find.

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>>49890602
The only jpop from anime that I liked was the stuff in Symphogear

>K comes after J
>We want to be futuristic
it's simple math

>>49890747
So clearly Laos and Malaysia are the next countries to watch.

>>49890769
finally some malpop

>>49890305
the problem with this is that shiina ringo is the face of jpop. each one of her albums debuted at #1 over there.

>>49889711
Because K-pop panders more to of an audience. J-pop usually deviates from the generic pop structure, at least more so than K-pop.

>/jp/op shitters can't even defend themselves
lel

>>49890769
when focus shifts to Africa, Zaire will have the market cornered with ZPop

Here's a musical comparison, Kyari with her child like modulated voice and kpop group T-ara incorporating some more normal singing and EDM tinges in the music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmM04_OgajU

>>49890873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lm3Uafw-Og

woops fucked up the link but even then you can hear the difference

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>>49890738
how can you forget yui-chan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jeQ3bbFLSg

>>49890873
Kpop just takes old western trends and mangles them for the boring Korean audiences
Nakata's work can vary but he's a decent producer

>>49890873
Makes me sad Kyari is the "face" of Jpop aka AKB48 notwithstanding. Why can't it be actually talented singers like YUI or Utada althought she is past her prime now.

>>49890873
I actually like that kyary song

>>49890922
i could say that jpop makes kiddie sugary tunes and be a generalizing dumbass too

>>49890241
>Japanese make actual music

but why don't they have good pop groups?

>>49890928
you're an idiot

>>49890642
see
>>49888660

>>49890966
Because they're making actual music instead.

>>49890928
I guess her quirky shit is the one that stuck with people, AKB48 is awful though and one of the reasons jpop doesn't stick with people.

In kpop the top selling groups are the male ones that pander to the female demographic like this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwuAPyOImoI

>>49890673
>I'd say the western fanbase is more evenly split with maybe a few more jpop fans

uh no. kpop totally domiantes now. literally no one cares about jpop anymore

>>49890997
kpop as in idol music is unpopular in Korea tho

it's not high on the charts and Korean radio plays old, workplace music type shit

>>49891001
but pop is way more profitable and thats why korea is making so much bank from their groups because they come out with good shit

while jpop comes out with the same 50 groups that all sound the same and have the boring production

What I want to know is when all these fucking kids in China are going to turn off their games and Internet and start writing songs about how depressed and pissed off they are. It sucks to see an entire nation's talents squandered like that (actually one China probably counts as a dozen other nations).

>>49891070
This. Korea actually put their idols through training while Johnny just molests the cutest groups and throw them together.

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>>49890921
Those were just first the three albums that shuffled through my J-pop playlist.

>>49890873
I dunno most K-pop just sounds kinda boring to me. That said, it's usually better and more interesting than American pop and Twinkle is a great song.

Also, I don't think anyone could argue Korea hasn't had some of the best film exports of the past 15 years though.

>>49891116
i feel the same about jpop, their songs feel like they never hit that sweet spot but just meander around.

>>49890673
jpop is more popular in japan
kpop is more popular everywhere else lol

>>49891158
and kpop groups still top the charts in japan like snsd and kara

>>49891152
Fair enough. I like songs that meander so I guess that's why.

If you could point to some experimental K-pop akin to the stuff I posted earlier I'd love to give it a shot.

>>49891181
and big bang, fuck even daesung and taeyang alone fill stadiums there. Put one jpop group member solo in korea and it doesn't fill shit

>>49891158
People who like Jpop in japan are looked down upon.

>>49891210
everything is looked down upon there, if you like manga, anime, jpop, foreign movies, foreign music, etc

>>49891206
youtube.com/watch?v=yMqL1iWfku4

>>49891209
Pretty sure Arashi is still popular there

>>49891210
pretty sure everyone in japan is looked down upon for everything.

>>49891240
fuck off crayonshitter

>>49890738
Damn that first song is smooth as fuck

>>49891158
Thing is that everwhere else still doesn't stack up to Japan's market
Hence why most Japanese groups don't bother venturing outside their country; it's more profitable to compete in their own market

>>49891206
>experimental K-pop

Maybe this comes closer but it's still pretty conventional nothing too out there. BTW don't listen to crayon pop is literal shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Oi8jDMvd_w

SMALL TITS!!

>>49891227
It is socially acceptable to like mangas in Japan. Do you know how many working adults read WAN PISS? Plus they like foreign music as well, they love the shit out of Arvil, Gaga and Perry for some weird reason.

>>49891260
you're pretty dumb if you think sales combined from europe, america and asia still don't topple those of japan alone

>>49891227
IS THERE ANYONE IN JAPAN RIGHT NOW THAT CAN CONFIRM THIS??

>>49891294
those fags are super nationalists so fuck off if you enjoy anything foreign, they're also tame so fuck off if you enjoy moody indie or metal or punk. they just want to listen to Kawa no Nagare no youni forever

>>49891260
>Hence why most Japanese groups don't bother venturing outside their country; it's more profitable to compete in their own market

it's more profitable to expand to other markets but they're all 'muh loyalty to glorious nippon' so they fuck themselves

>>49891332
Japan loves America, what are you talking about?

>>49891375
no, they love japanisations of american stuff.

>>49891152
>their songs feel like they never hit that sweet spot but just meander around.
this is why i cant get into jpop either. perfume and kyary are cool tho

>>49891396
kpop always hits that sweet spot

>>49891396
Not all Jpop songs meander around and are mellow.

>>49891332
also if you like classical music you can fuck right off, it's all about ancient folk songs in the pentatonic scale ONLY.

>>49891290
>Europe and America
Its pretty dumb to think sales from these countries actually stack up
I think the best selling kpop album in the US was in the thousands
>Rest of Asia
Here's the thing, a lot of these countries are poorer than SK
Kpop companies can actually lose money promoting in them

>>49891460
nigga im not talking Laos, kpop companies are expanding in China with their big ass population and are succeeding to some degree also those SEA fans are pretty dedicated to buying stuff, the idols are literally on their television stations and programs and stuff, not just on the internet like for the american public.

>>49891460
People are starting to realize doing commercials and endorsements are telling them crazy amounts of cash in China and SEA.

>>49891426
all the idol groups sound the same and have 0 catchiness

>>49891522
Fuck China, they pirate and bootleg the shit out of media
There are so many of them it's like a mixed bag when it comes to fans
>>49891573
Endorsements are the only solid way to make money there because at least other companies are putting up the cash upfront

>>49891645
it doesn't matter if they pirate 500,000 times if they buy 500,000 albums which they easily do

Korea wants to export their culture.
Japan is full Sakoku.
This is all that has happened.

>>49891645
It doesn't matter if they pirate or not. China is big enough that even if 70% pirate, the 30% will still net you over 500k worth of albums. No to mention crazy commercial and endorsement cash. Just look at Exo. Exo is arguably SM's biggest cash cow at the moment and they are pushing them in china over Japan.

>>49891384
No they love the facile of America they hold in their minds.
But just because they're wrong doesn't mean they don't love America. You don't have to be logical to be a X-phile.

>>49891706
Funny thing is that kpop makes the most money in Japan so they work their ass off for the Japanese market

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Japan is fairly isolationist, they could care less what markets on the other side of the globe are willing to consume. Kpop largely follows in the footsteps of Western music, never really innovating but repeating the same successful formula of pop music and young attractive women (Run Devil Run was actually supposed to be a Ke$ha b-side lmao).
>>49890652
Perfume past when Yasutaka started KPP blows. Hmm wonder why

>>49891726
they don't love Tupac and Jay Z, they like rap in japanese with their japanese artists

they don't like beyonce or gaga, they want their songs in japanese by japanese girls

that's how it is with them, they like what others do but in their own style

pretty sure that AKB48 and their sister groups are bigger than all of k-pop combined.
but yeah, at some point shit just kinda shifted away from your Ayumi Hamasakis, Koda Kumis, Utada Hikarus, Namie Amuros and whoever over to k-pop. New generation of asian pop fans?

>>49891742
>never really innovating but repeating the same successful formula of pop music
and jpop just repeats their same boring formula that causes no one to care because it sucks and they don't wanna change it

>>49891742
>pop music and young attractive women

the male artists are the top sellers

>>49891768
>They don't like gaga
Japan loves the shit out of Gaga

>>49891772
>AKB48 and their sister groups are bigger than all of k-pop combined

you know that AKB48 fans buy literally hundreds of CDs per person right? they have literally boxes of cds each of them bought by only one fan. that's why their sales are ridiculous

>>49891809
they love Kyari aka japanese gaga

>>49891848
They love Gaga as well

>>49891256
blue marble is pretty great yeah.

>>49891266
That wasn't bad at all. I've always thought the best K-pop was the more loungey, jazzy stuff like Clazziquai, Humming Urban Stereo and Fanny Fink.
>BTW don't listen to crayon pop is literal shit
Haha I thought it was decent.

>>49891768
Not mutually exclusive.

>>49890324
>Melt Banana
>J-pop
>shiggy_face

>>49891894
it's one of the better debuts this year, those loungey guys I usually can't stand because it feels like they try too hard, same with their ballad singers.

>>49891820
crazy wota will always be around. but they're still insanely huge in the mainstream, not just some fap-bait idol group with a smaller hardcore fanbase.

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>>49891894
>the best K-pop was the more loungey, jazzy stuff

>>49891915
>any of those
>jpop

why do people bring up rock bands when talking about pop music?

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>>49891942
in the mainstream in Japan you mean, once they go Psy mainstream or SNSD or Big Bang mainstream where they appear on other countries programs and win MTV awards and shit then we're talking.

>>49891993
they try and make jpop pass as some deep complex pop music and think we won't find out. As soon as I saw Boris it was out the fucking trash with it, i mean it's in fucking metallum ffs.

Who cares k-pop and j-pop suck equally. Korea has the good cinema. Japan has the good animation and non-pop orientated music. Both are great technologically speaking.

>>49892025
>k-pop
>suck

no

>>49892033
>no
yes

>>49892025
filtered

>>49892068
deal with it.

>>49892092
nerd

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>>49891941
Haha well fair enough. Agree to disagree, but if you don't like stuff like this, we can't be friends:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB8NDN-3Lb8

>>49891975
I wasn't aware lounge music was considered fedora-core but I guess it makes sense.

>>49892123
here's a funky song from Narsha's group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBlJ-reyHF0

>>49891089
It's sad because people in China are trully talented. You can see as an example all these martial arts styles created in there.

Japan at one point was the "it" race. Back in the late 90's and the early 2000's. However, the Internet was nowhere where it is today. Now? Korea is the new "it" race. And with the Internet the way it is today, with multiple ways to share their music (Youtube, Twitter, Instagram etc.) it's becoming bigger than Japan did years ago.

Not to mention, Korea actually taps into foreign markets (specifically Japan and notoriously unsuccessfully the West) whereas Japan doesn't.

>>49892186
japanese have samurais
and ninjas
and karate

that's better than shaolin

>>49892180
Does Brown Eyed Girls have more tracks like that? If so, you may have successfully turned me on to K-pop proper.

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>>49891848

>>49892305
I don't know for reals, their singles have almost all different styles might wanna check them but I've heard they have some funky tunes in their albums

>>49892305
that's actually the hip-hop track, some popular hip-hop producer did that track

but yeah they do have funky tunes

>>49892407
>some popular hip-hop producer did that track

Do you know which one?

>>49892466
Primary
That song has his style all over it

>>49892483
Okay sweet thanks.

Any others you'd recommend?

>>49890697
the perfume US tours are all sold out already.
also, fuck anyone who got a ticket, i wanna go.

>>49892180
this song is freakin' great

>>49889711

Cause jpop is fucking shit (besides perfume)

>>49891070
Are you really measuring kpop's success by it's sales
Kpop is mostly bland as and has as little variation as most jpop, they just somehow got a huge western audience
In the underground scene, Japan makes much better

well j pop are known for their shrieking high pitch voice that's so irritating

>>49890305
>Link some j-pop
>don't link j-pop that fits my criteria
kek

Because k-pop is just as safe and generic as American mainstream pop.

>>49894208
>Kpop is mostly bland as and has as little variation as most jpop

I bet you've only listened to Gee and Gangnam Style because k-pop is nowhere close to as a bland as j-pop.

>>49890180
j-pop is shit

>shouting the whole song out together
>no catchy parts
>everyone looks the same

>>49896789
I-um, posted some you might like:
>>49890738

>>49889711
Because japanese labels (and overall media) keep their stuff for themselves and most artist stay inside the country. After all, the audience is already large enough to maintain rentability.
Korea wants to remind people they exist so they align on occidental standards.

And it's not as if k-pop was actually big. It's still pretty niche outside of a few novelties like Psy (or Kyary for Jpop. Both have a career outside of the stuff that went viral, but a big majority of the people who discovered them this way do not care.) that just get their 15 minutes of world fame playing on the "lol asians are so weird XD" card.

>>49896843
>ctrl + f
>catchiness not found

this is not pop. i cant enjoy this boring crap

>>49889711
why do you care, fag?

PC Music will blow up, J-Pop will become popular in the west because of it. You heard it here first.

Who gives a shit, they're both sucks ding dong

>>49896880
You're cray.