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Even if you like jazz, you have to admit all jazz sounds the same.

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Even if you like jazz, you have to admit all jazz sounds the same.
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>>48593136
agreed.

jazz-funk is the worst case.
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>>48593136
but no
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Even if you like music, you have to admit all music sounds the same.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK265pszTvA
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>>48593155
top fucking kek
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>>48593136
No sir, I fear you are categorically wrong.
But your true crime is that you are wrong in an unspeakably trite and boring way.
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I don't have to admit shit, because OP is inexperienced.
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Electronic music is the natural conclusion to Jazz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUpSAzUN5Vg
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SkoD2CIakQ

www.youtube.com/watch?v=27CpT79NMhQ

These sound the same apparently.
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>>48593136
But that's not true.
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>>48593136
I know right, its all like pigeon holed and they name it jazz. They did the same thing for hip hop, and like all the other genres.

U no?
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>>48593136
el oh el
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>>48593379
I fucking knew one of those would be something off of "Machine Gun."
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if youre a blep maybe
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>>48593136
all blues sounds the same, can't be said for jazz. only an idiot would say that op.
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>>48593637
And that's not even always true. There's outstanding composition in blues just like in any genre.
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>>48593187
CLT, what do you think of >>48593136 (the album, not the piece of shit statement)?
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>>48593698
Post outstanding crunkcore compositions.
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>>48593730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rougrFY0r5Y
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>>48593717
It's not really my style.
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>>48593763
r u avin a giggle m80?
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>>48593793
It's intricate instrumentally and tightly composed. What's not your "style" about it?
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>>48593136
not all of it, actually there are different sub genres but for the most part I feel this is kind of true especially with like bebop and hard bop... Like I put on the Birth of COol its supposed to be so good but it sounded so much like what I though Jazz was supposed to sound like it really hits me as a boring caricature

I know this a close minded way to view it but to this day I have found one type of Jazz that is pretty alright an that's third stream which I guess is a marriage of Jazz and Classical? Anyways Mingus' The Black Saint and the SInner Lady and Davis' Sketches of Spain are the only Jazz albums I can enjoy.
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>>48593939
this weird though because I don't really bother with classical or any high art music
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>>48593912
Never cared much for hard bop.
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>>48593995
Not even http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0VW1eNR2DU&list=PLFE078EFBD2E3A092 ?
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>>48593995
why so careless about jazz music and discussion compared to pop and classical?
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>>48594032
I'd call that post-bop.

>>48594045
?
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>>48594073
>?
You seem so much more enthusiastic about those genres/styles of music. Not complaining, it's just, like for instance when I wanted to start a discussion on how I felt MFT were a stronger record than A/B you didn't seem to care and answered "tope" or something in that vein.
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>>48594143
That's because I love those albums roughly equally.
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What's the one album with just the guys face on the cover with a really brown colour scheme

I remember it reminding me of bitches brew but not much else about it

If you couldn't tell I no almost nothing about jazz
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b-but so many notes! i-i'm not listening to a song called 'blues in f' right now!
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>>48594202
know* HAH
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>>48594202
?
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>>48593356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEHrlLuZgVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7G-ouCgg58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d07rRMYE744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8LyNTLq2iQ
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>>48594234
Forgot picture of course
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>>48594073
do you like more free shit?
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>>48594202
Wait I just found it
It was Wayne Shorter's All Seeing Eye
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>>48594254
if you were just a minute earlier you would have found it for me, thanks heaps anyway. This has been bugging me for a few days
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>>48593155
Thread should have ended here.
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>>48594262
Not really.
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>>48594202
??
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>>48594330
How do you feel about McCoy Tyner?
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>>48594338
honestly, don't think he has any feelings.
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>>48594414
>hurr where are muh feeeeels
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>>48594436
;^(

thoughts on davis? anyone heard the new bootleg series yet?
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>>48594478
GOAT trumpet player, but obnoxious taste in music.
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>>48594510
like how?
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>>48594338
Glorious, and I've never even heard his solo albums. His solo on Coltrane's Favourite Things would be enough alone. Also glorious on Wayne Shorter albums I like more than the one upthread.
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>>48594560
>hurr we don't need Beethoven now when we've got Stockhausen

>>48594575
>His solo on Coltrane's Favourite Things would be enough alone
Indeed

>glorious on Wayne Shorter albums
Indeed
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>>48594338
So good.
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>>48594338
>asking a opinion to a stripfag
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>>48593637
>all blues sounds the same
so are you saying that this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8hqGu-leFc
sounds like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTDjD_UdJYs
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>>48593136
To an outsider who hasn't listened to much of it, perhaps.
>>48594338
great!
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>>48593136
does coltrane sound like tal farlow? does stanley clarke sound like charley parker?, does django sound like kenny burrell or joe pass?
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Notes.. The final fron tier.. These are the voye ages of the star shit composer prize. We seek to find new notes to impress the ladies wif, so far our dicks almost fall off... Le jaz et los soundtrax siend for dien berlieberzzz. Heil, papa smurfimirbamacullonTS.
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>>48596874
yes, it sounds exactly the same.
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>how do I listen to music without singing to let me know the difference between songs
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>>48597025
wow, look at this literary auteur everyone. he's moved beyond the realm of musical notation into something even greater. we can only pray to be as informed as he someday.
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>>48594716
hello clt, do you like bbng?
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>>48597593
Thanks for the compliments, man. I thought it was great. Again, thanks. I appreciate the graces you estow upon me. But all true credit goes to nature, who is god. Also, refrain from sarcasm, you will not find health from it. Just my opinion, do what you want with it.
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>>48597593
And no, i'm not implying or insinuating i have any answers, 'answers'. But u seem to think judgement is a sane way of living, casting first stones. Och, uno wat, i won't change yor mind. Just stick wit insulting ppl.
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What I love about Jazz is just how fucking much of it there is. Jazz of the 20th century was made by people who knew how to play their instruments and by lord they played. Any given Jazz artist has dozens of albums under there belt. I hate to be blunt with this comment but I do think jazz is a safe genre. It's mostly instrumental and there's really no wrong way to do it. Nothing wrong with that though I love the genre and the fact I will never stop discovering new favorites
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>>48597850
Jazz is only a safe genre for musicians that are skilled enough to pull it off. For all the other musicians it is a genre that would expose them.
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>>48597850
Improv takes a real talent though.
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>>48597850
Why do you think it's safe? I don't want to start a fight... Sorry... But consider maybe... Soe like sun ra does pretty jarring and chaotic, offsetting compositions.
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>>48597891
bahahaha
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>>48597906
Please record yourself playing some effortless 12 bar Blues then.
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I don't even like jazz that much and I can hear the difference between A Love Supreme and Bitches' Brew.
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>>48597903
what >>48597880
said. Jazz is a genre you need technical skill in. It's basically the exact opposite of punk rock.
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>>48597906
Where do you draw the line between improvisation and composition? U achieve things improvising you don't achieve composing and vice-versa. Just a thought, really.
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>>48597924
when did i become your personal bitch?
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>>48597969
There is very little difference. Improvisation is actually composing in real time. Composition is actually improvising and writing it down for posterity.
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>>48594181
hey can you post your top 10?
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>>48597947
Your species is as vain as one can find. I don't really think i'll talk to it anymore.
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>>48598030
Dumb ass.
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>>48593939
you should listen to some moondog, modern jazz quartet, and archie shepp
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>>48597970
All I'm saying is that improvisation is one of the most difficult things to do properly. I speak for myself when saying this: my old teacher gave me brief instruction in improvisation and it was a struggle to learn to make even simple lines that make musical sense.
You shouldn't diss it unless you can prove that it takes no talent.
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>>48598030
this guy is asspained about the fact that any teenager with a year of experience with an instrument can play as well as his favorite bands
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>>48597997
Do you know what rhetorical questions are? Not trying to be sarcastic, but for crying out loud.
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>>48597906
You think improv doesn't take talent?
That's what I love about jazz compositions though. It's a perfect balance of musical proficiency and feeling.
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>>48598064
Don't be mad because someone explained something new to you that you had never thought of before.
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>>48598044
There is no cerebrum in my posterior, i assure you.
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>>48598052
Your old teacher can suck a billion of donkey cocks
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>>48593136

I bet everything sounds different when you're a heroin addicted Jazz musician in the 50's-70's
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>>48598087

I didn't read it. I don't have time for ppl who have no proper training in things and lack all manners. Good day, sir.
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>>48598094
Your pretensions about being smart make you the exact kind of person you claim to dislike -- vain.
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>>48598130
fuck off, dumb faggot
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>>48598104
I wish people wouldn't waste threads with their b8.
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>>48597997
I'm going to assume you really don't know what you're talking about.
Jazz is played from a lead sheet. Let's take a classic for example, like So What by miles davis. The chords are written out, but there is no rhythm. All the instruments improvise the rhythm. Then, there is a head which is the lead part. In this song, that is the part the bass pays at the beginning and end if the song. In between that, the solos are the leads. But like the chords that the players improvise the rhythm part on, the soloist improvises the lead.
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>>48598167
That's what happens when you share the place with mostly 15 - 22 year olds.
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>>48598171
Awesome, you're a smart, informed guy. Explain some more things to me.
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open question: if i posted jazz demos here would anyone listen?
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>>48598167
meant to quote
>>48597891
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>>48598137
And which crystal ball makes you read intentions into blank statements, mr. Morals on your
side politician snake-thespian?
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This thread is the fucking worst thing.
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>>48598228
I would.
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>>48598230
What do you mean?
>>48598234
It's important, however, that people with these pleb-y concerns get corrected.
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>>48598171
Lol I don't have to assume that you don't know what you're talking about.
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>>48598161
I'm not gay, and intelligence isn't measurable. Also, you're delusional.
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> jazz
> the same

Plebeian.
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>>48598171
Holy shit a person who knows what they're talking about. Question: When you're learning a piece how do you go about learning the changes? I usually try and learn pieces by ear when learning rock tunes but have a hard time working out all the progressions by ear. Is that just something that comes with practice or should I be listening out for certain things?
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>>48598228
If you do it I will also. I challenge everyone here to post their own jazz performances so we can see who is actually credible and who is just regurgitating words they've read on wiki.
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>>48598356
That guy does NOT know what he's talking about.
>The chords are written out, but there is no rhythm. All the instruments improvise the rhythm.

wat.

You can get a fakebook which will have standards written out in leadsheet form but you will be much better off learning jazz standards by ear. Start with just the bass. Figure out the bass movement. Then figure out the chord qualities. Then the melody.
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>>48598212
>>48598263
I'm not trying to me pretentious or an asshole, but the post you guys have been making about improvising are off base.
>>48598356
It depends. For chords, I usually try to find all the root notes. Then I pretty much guess until I find the quality. It's usually easily to tell if it's major or minor, and if it's rock I usually guess it's a power cord. I'm mostly and electric bassist and upright player though.
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>>48598487
The chords are written out and there is no rhythm. Google a lead sheet and look at it.
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>>48598557
You know those lines going up and down the staff in between the notes? Those are called bar lines. They separate the music into measures to make it easier to read.

If you look at the very front of the piece there should be two numbers on top of each other that will explain to you how the rhythm of the measures works.
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>>48598595
#rekt
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>>48598423
https://soundcloud.com/nick-leone/bric-brac
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>>48598487
>You can get a fakebook which will have standards written out in leadsheet form
I might take a look at that for the sake of practicing. I think that knowing the chords and being able to hear them and play over them would probably be beneficial for my ear.
>>48598502
I've no problem learning rock tunes. Unless it's something really proggy. It's usually just root third fifth as you said but I've got a harder time hearing other qualities like 7ths and especially I find it harder in jazz where you don't get the chords spelled out for you.
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>>48598595
Look at a lead sheet. As you can see, the lead part is written out, and the chords are on top of the measure. As far as how you play those chords in piano, bass or is up to you and the band. I tried not to be pretentious, but fuck it. You don't know what you're talking about. I've played in my unis jazz ensemble for last year.
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>>48598253
>>48598423
aw thanks anons. I will do it one of these evenings soon.
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>>48598744
post a track like >>48598687 did
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>>48598702
Yeah, jazz chords are a lot of guess work. When you get to pieces with 7ths and flat fifths and other shit is hard to pick it up by ear. I've met people who can do it, but is guess work until you're on that level. At last I think it is.
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>>48598687
>https://soundcloud.com/nick-leone/bric-brac
hey i like this. smooth but energized. reminds me of hatfield and the north.

you aren't jtg are you?
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>>48598744
Lol well you have a terrible way of wording things.
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>>48598805
No, I'm not jazz thread guy. He's a badass piano player though.
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>>48598831
Sorry, but I didn't think anyone would think that I didn't know what a time signature is. I'm talking about chords and people think I'm saying the band is making up whether or not the song is in 4/4 our 3/4. I clearly said rhythm, not time signature.
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>>48593136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtlEX9NKeRo
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>>48598910
Great album. Coltrane is one of my favorites.
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>>48593155
/thread
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>>48598955
All architecture sounds the same. All dance smells the same. Every color sounds like red.
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All instrumental music sounds the same.
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>>48598423
Not exactly a good example of "making changes" but you can get an idea of how I solo. The piano solo is a minute or two in.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0dFNptgU48M
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>>48599056
It sounds exactly the same as all jazz. j/k

It's actually damn good. You have a great style that flows very musically. I enjoyed it.
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>>48594716
How do you feel about Chet Baker
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>>48593136
I've listened to portrait in jazz, everybody digs bill Evans and undercurrent. Where should I go next with Bill Evans?
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>>48599056
This has got to be JTG
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>>48599332
Why did he drop trip anyway? Most people loved him.
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>>48599146
Thanks.

Here's a better one I just recorded very quickly over the changes to Stella by Starlight. Apologies for sloppiness and poor recording.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0uq4Rklr3uf
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>>48593136
it's good to see that /mu/ gets bait threads too
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>>48599376
It took a while but it's kinda just turning into /jazz/ now so I'm cool with that.
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>>48599376
/mu/ is a bait board

>>48599370
Very nice, man. I love the loud clicks when you hit the keys hard on accent notes. Shit is real, yo.
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>>48599439
Haha I don't have my good keyboard set up right now so I'm just playing on my old electric piano from the 80's. It's missing a bunch of whatever kind of pads should be there to mute the clacking.

>>48599357
What's the point of tripping anyway.
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Anyone got king curtis?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI8d36w_ijw
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>>48599476
>What's the point of tripping anyway.
Tripping helps your write the good shit, man. The goooooooood shit.
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>>48599370
>>48599056
Which poster are you in this thread?
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>>48599476
He made jazz threads feel like a kind of community. Plus it gave him a bit of credibility. People saw him posting and knew that he was knowledgeable and knew what he was talking about. I almost always checked out any of the albums or artists he posted that I didn't recognise.
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>>48599514
Does it really matter? This is basically a troll thread anyway. If you want to actually discuss the music why not come over to this thread>>48594686
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>post vocaroo links to prove you know what you're talking about
>CLT leaves

big surprise
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>>48598910
Overrated
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>>48598891
So where's your vocaroo link smartypants?
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>>48599692
tope
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>>48599056
>>48599370
So wait.. is this actually jtg?
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>>48599975
>name calling

At work, can't post until I go home.
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>>48600082
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>>48600133
we'll keep bumping the thread for you till you get home
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>>48600082
Pretty sure it's him. Especially since he's definitely posting in the other jazz thread.
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>>48593136
that's a bold statement. are you saying john coltrane's tenor sax style sounds exactly like Coleman hawkins and that miles davis's trumpeting sounds exactly like that of Freddie Hubbard? because that is far from the truth.
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>>48600133
what time do you get off?
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>>48594254
is it any good?
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man, that is not true

jazz, if anything makes the music very diverse
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>>48600133
You off from work yet?
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>>48593136
Way to prove how ignorant you are, OP. You really had ought to refrain from referring to yourself as a fan of music if this is a sincerely held belief of yours. You might also want to rethink visiting /mu/ ever again.
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a thread to be ashamed of, /mu/
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>>48603646
this is what happened when jazzthreadguy left us and went back to his home planet......
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