Bleep Production #??

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>>48183988
also look what i fucking got in the mail today, working though it was claimed as broken/spare due to a missing plug
this thing is so awesome

Are korg Volca range good for a fucking newb without any experience with hardware? What will I also need for mixing? What effects should I buy for distortion or reverb?

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>>48184129
The Volcas are pretty good, though the bass is a bit useless next to the keys. But I think, they rather a gadged after all, but they have potential, keep that in mind. Just buy a small mixer, like 5-12 channels, old 80ies/90ies ones can be good too, chances is to stump upon deals is high obv. Some new mixers have built in effects, otherwisely, old stuff off ebay or affordable guitar stompers.

>>48184201
sorry for that spelling though, Im doing this on the fly atm

+if you're new to music production in general, you might start with daw's

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dead end already?

>>48184201
>>48184233
Hey man, thank you for such useful answer. I do mess with Ableton sometimes, but I really want to experience that special workflow with actual analogue hardware.

>>48184387
np, btw It doesn't really matter nowadays, wether analog or digital, soundwise. I mean if you wanna have the feel in you or if you wanna mod your stuff, that would be legit reasons. Also , I dont know what kind of stuff you wanna produce, but theres alot of vintage equipment around, roland JX8/3/10 for instance, you migh get to check that out too.

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this is nice

>>48184508
yes it is

I want that nintedo sounding demo song back

>>48184083
i never understood why they were called MIDIverb

>>48184708
because its midi controllable, I assume

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Mornin

>>48184083
Radical

>>48184708
Because you can control them through midi

>>48184780
>>48184780
morning, indeed
Thats not messy, just right to cluster stuff

>>48184855
You haven't seen the other side of my desk and the floor next to it ;_;

>>48184855
I may not, but just dont look at it then

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>tfw no modular to dick around with

>>48184978
whwhwhwhwddhwhw fuck you

>>48185001
not my pic

>>48185028
>tumblr_mvr9vnUcO61qhogdpo(...).jpg

I know, fuck you for posting :(

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>>48185054
I should just post some of my favorite setups i've saved

is it worth using ableton if i have no midi controller? is any DAW worth using without a midi controller?

>>48185106
ableton definitely is

I actually spend most of my time cutting up and modifying samples with ableton

>>48185106
Yep it is, flstudio even is best without midicontrollers in my opinion. For ableton, you could buy one of these nanoX Korg controllers, they're like 40$ new
>>48185100
that indeed is rad as hell, dat vss30

>>48184201
Keys has that shitty steppy filter.

>>48185152
>>48185130
thanks men

free bump

>>48185169
I didn't notice that when I tried it honestly

>>48185196
Smooth filter is the only reason I ever use analog stuff personally.

>>48185106
it works great without any controller, but i'd suggest getting anything with mappable knobs. being able to automate/modulate on the fly is really awesome.

>>48185231
Thats what I mean by nowadays, most digital, rather than digitally controlled analogs are missing parameter stepping for some reason

thred is ded

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>>48184780
i'll show you messy

>>48185358
ugh dude

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>>48185358
I'm pretty messy

This was before I had any type of stand.

>>48185484
otherwisely nice vibe in that room

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>>48184508
I love it!
I was just using it today doing some live stuff messing around

>>48185358
ur a pussy m8

>>48185518
is that a 606 or 303 i'm not good at TRs

>>48185370
>>48185484
I'm getting a new desk soon, with actual shelves and stuff and not tiny and cheap

messy setups are the best

>>48185554
303

>>48185554
>is that a 606 or 303 i'm not good at TRs

appears to be a bass bot which is a great clone of the 303

http://www.cyclone-analogic.fr/en/34-bass-bot-tt-303-0701980493430.html

>>48185571
this, no way i could afford 3k for a real one lol

>>48185571
oh yeah there's a bass bot box in the picture too

>>48185606
my college tutor brings in his 303 and 909 sometimes it's pretty neat

>>48185615
it is

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>>48185615
Wow that's awesome. I want a 909 so damn bad..... one day

>>48185680
I'd prefer an 808 though

>>48185484
That's cosy as fuck.

Nice guitar, too.

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>>48185900
That harmony? I fucking hate it. I'm going to sell it so I can buy a korg dw-8000 or a poly 61

I run this jm now because it just plays like a dream. That harmony had the worst action and fingerboard I've ever used but hot damn did it make one hell of a racket.

>>48185929
Welp, there goes your guitar nerd cred.
(Just kiddan)

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how great is this

>>48185971
Not great yet, until you put it in your ______

>>48185929
>That Tune-o-matic bridge

Pig disgusting

Are there some good vsts for an extremely over the top reverb and a compressor for absolute sidechaining without getting any weird artifacts or clipping sounds?

For all I know this is probably completely possible with the stuff already in ableton, I am quite incompetent.

>>48185929
dont buy the poly61, technically a pile of shit.

>>48185957
Honestly It's been so long since I jammed with anyone on guitar or bass so I'm really just going to use what is most comfortable.

>>48185989
Comes stock on the J mascis model. I have since swapped it with a mustang bridge because they're easier to adjust.

>>48186016
I'm not going out of my way to get one but if I see one at a decent price I'll do it. They are fairly limited but I really like their sound.

I may be trading that harmony for a korg dw-8000 if the guy ever answers my calls. Wish it was the rack version.

>>48185997
it is completely possible in ableton, just literally turn everything up to max in Reverb, but take the size to about 7 and pre-delay is irrelevant and put in the compressor after it, turn on sidechaining and take the threshold all the way down and ratio all the way up. the 'clipping' sounds or artifacts you may be hearing are probably from an almost instant attack on your sidechain compressor, it should go away if you turn up the attack time

>>48186052
Thank you. Listening to your stuff, really nice production. So fucking pleasant, you must be really good at mastering. Especially that bass spectrum is fucking perfect.

>>48186052
>>48186133
also, all your sounds are really believable if not organic. I love nice sounds

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Buying one of these beauties soon. Was wondering if you guys could answer my question about it though, haven't really seen it used a lot in videos so idk:

Does the BS2 respond to velocity on itself? What I mean is, to compare to the Minibrute, the MB can send velocity messages but can't receive them, so when you play it on it's own without a computer, it's just static.

I know the BS2 has velocity sensitive keys and aftertouch, I'm wondering if I played it with no computer, can I still get a range of velocities in it? Or does it only send messages (when used as, say, a controller on a computer, but doesn't react to the messages itself with no computer present)?

>>48186133
>>48186160
ty

>>48186173
the keys are definately velocity sensitive, not sure about the synth itself. usually bass synths don't have velocity sensitivity.

>>48186221

It's not really a bass synth just 'cause it's called the bass station. It has a full octave range.

The minitaur is a true bass synth. And yeah, again, I know they're velocity sensitive, I'm wondering if they can trigger velocity in the box, instead of just sending messages to a computer as a controller.

If anyone could point me to where I could find out, I'd greatly appreciate it (not just that they're vel sens, but that it's actually got velocity ITB). Google wasn't much help.

>>48186326
I know it has a full octave range, but to me 'bass synth' means monophonic synth

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>>48186368

Leads and pads can be monophonic too, though.

Plus there's always multitracking/overdubbing. I own one of these babies, I'm gonna have lots of fun combining the two and then recording it through my Laney TF-300 and SM58 :)

>>48186173
Don't get a BSII, it's worse than a DSI Mopho soundwise.

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>>48186580

What do you bass that on? I've heard some pretty great demos, for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8GV3PT0rEc&hd=1

I agree the mopho sounds like shit, but if you watch some oscilloscope demos like the following, you'll see the waveforms are very different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um9vw0-xfNQ&hd=1

It's got a nice creamy filter, idk why you'd say that. The only thing that really bothers me about it is that it doesn't have those knobs that have the lights around them that can turn infinitely, it just has regular knobs. So values from presets jumping around when you switch between presets worries me.

I've been thinking about dishing out the money to get the slim phatty for this very purpose actually, but idk if it's worth it. in b4 moog fanboys, but I do love this demo by memorecks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD9MXVGNysI&hd=1

Akai Rhythm Wolf is coming soon..?

http://www.thomann.de/ie/akai_rythm_wolf.htm

>>48187270
1st September apparently. Still haven't heard it though...

>>48186937

honestly? i'd probably go for the slim phatty, if for no other reason than the 2 vco's, moog filter, and patch memory.

>>48187270
I like the idea, but I really can't find myself getting hyped about outboard drum machines. The ease of routing is probably one of the best things about doing it in the box and I just can't imagine what a hassle it would be to get the same effect with the one out on the Rhythm Wolf.

Whats a good first synth?

Always wanted one. But not only for bleeps but also for the psych-y effects in a band.

About 1k budget (euros). the only musts are it has to be as wide as possible and the keys have to have some kind of feedback.

thanks!

>>48187534
>wide
What do you mean by that

Also, analog or digital?

>>48187431
jokes on you, many units take almost an hour to warm up and go out of tune just as quickly! :^)

I'm just getting in to ableton and i'm looking for some sample packs, anyone know some good ones ?

>>48184083
The midiverb I looks pretty sweet, they seem to be fairly rare now, I have a midiverb II, how do they compare?

for the people who posted with mixers in their set ups, do you use those when you're recording? cus a usb mixer won't allow you to have separate tracks per channel right? or are you using it for layered sounds/controler etc?

Synthesizers are fun :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikcpOaBKh_g&hd=1

>>48188290
no im pretty sure most interface mixers allow you to record a few tracks at once.

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This bitch be arriving in a day or two
Opinions? Did I do well for baby's first analogue synth?

>>48189066
yeah, get it running through an analog delay and you'll be well away.

>>48189066

>daily reminder that it doesn't have MIDI Out

>>48189214
What on earth would you do with one?

>>48189214
So?

>>48189214
>wanting a midi out for a 2 octave mini keyboard

>>48189214
this is becoming a thing. like, all brands only expect you to use one piece of hardware and your daw

>>48189256
>>48189275
>>48189281
sync it with other hardware

>>48189214
literally ins't even important in 99% of situations. it technically does have MIDI out, it sends MIDI through USB. velocity and everything.

Some inspiration for you fellas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szWhzdqrS2g

HARDWARE'S NOT DEAD

>>48189360
It has multiple CV Ins and outs I think.

>>48189388
It never was, really

>>48189360
It's a dirt cheap analog synth, you can't have everything. At least it's got MIDI in so it can be controlled itself by other hardware.

>>48189404
none of which are the clock right?

>>48189450
midi in/through/out is such a basic feature though. its not something only high end gear has.

>>48189487

MIDI Thru is slowly dying though for some reason.

RIP MIDI Thru

>>48189450
>>48189458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMh-k3ql13I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkviXfTPGKs

Do you guys know any tutorials on how to synthesize wind instruments in FL Studio?

>>48189281

It would have been great if you could've paired it with a module analog synth. Alas...

>>48189773
You mean like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58ofhNdLcbk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozoye-1EHbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9knVQW_qTE4

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memesynth cake

>>48189450

why not just get the bsii then? for only $200 more you get so many more features, two analog oscillators + sub osc, patch memory, midi i/o, non-minikeys, multiple VCF's, really nice filter distortion and osc filter mod, etc etc.

>>48189956
One of the main reasons Im buying the brute is because its simplicity. As a total noob to the synth world the Microbrute seems simple enough for me to grasp the basics of synthesis but still packs the power to make some beautiful sounds.

If someone handed me a BSII or a Virus or any "entry level" +500$ synth I could not take full advantage of their sonic capabilities (or it would take me a lot of time at least). The Microbrute seems like a nice and cheap stepping stone

>>48190099
the microbrute is fine but the bsii is also very simple to use just fyi

where to get good acapellas that aren't from one of my funk bands recordings

>>48190166
obscure doo-wop records

>>48189937
Shoddy craftmanship

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Daily reminder that the Vermona Mono Lancet exists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Vtgt-YVy4

>>48190099
>>48190141

the bsii is pretty damn simple to use, but I can understand. i've been using VA VST's for a couple of years now, so the bsii seems perfect for me as a first analog synth, and can be incorporated pretty damn easily into more expensive purchases down the line.

it's just got such huge fucking balls when it comes to the bass, and has a really creamy filter. so much great sound and features for the price, i've also found some "like new" ones for $400 that i'll probably get instead of brand new.

>>48190326
Funny, how I never hear anyone ever talk about it. Maybe because it's a boutique sort of analog synth? I've heard it's got better low-end than the minitaur, which is saying a lot imo.

What's with the VCO1+2 thing, though? Also what the hell is (LFO and Env Gen) "INT"?

>>48190440
VCO 1 on the left, VCO 2 on the right, the knobs under VCO1+2 control both oscs.

INT = intensity, how much the LFO and EnGen affect the VCO/filter

>>48190498

Ah, gotcha. Just a single knob for mix and VCO 2 detune, though (can't control the levels separately, but probably not that big of a deal).

It looks solid, though. Analogueheaven puts it at around $600, though I've seen it going for slightly under $500 if you know where to look.

Would love to hear if anyone has any experience with it. I never really hear it talked about so idk whether it's worth the purchase over other analog synths we've been discussing or not.

>>48189644
From what I've seen, anything that has midi out but no dedicated midi thru has the feature to turn the midi out into a midi thru, though.

>>48190326
i'm gonna cop that thing so hard. Isn't it pricier than the minitaur in the US?

Goddamn this part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rPOrRNt2hs&feature=player_detailpage#t=308

Im thinking about buying a altrua microbrute and korg volca as my first music production purchase.
Anyone with advice/expierience?
Good first buy?

>>48191245
I've got one. As far as sounds go, it's absolutely fantastic, especially if you like the sounds of old Roland SH series monos which it can be compared to. The filter is very Moog-like. I like it for its ability to make the kind of sounds that might be heard on AFX's Analord series.

Modulation options are limited but it can be expanded with a modular dock and eurorack modules. I think they go for around £350 here in the UK but I picked mine up for £300 and for the quality of sound I think it's worth every penny.

Check out the demos in this review:

http://greatsynthesizers.com/en/test/vermona-mono-kick-lancet-lead-and-groove-synthesizers/

>>48191449
It may be more expensive taking import charges from Germany into account, I'm not sure. They're definitely cheaper than the Minitaur in the UK though.

>>48191838

I mainly want it for analog VCO bass anyways. Modulation isn't a concern of mine, I'd just mod it with my PC and DAW or otherwise sample it and do all of the processing and fx with my PC. Don't really intend on ever going modular, considering the expense.

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/vermona-mono-lancet-monophonic-analogue-desktop-synthesizer/420712-01/

They ship to the U.S. too, not sure what the S&H prices are like tho

>>48191789
Pretty gud choices

>>48191917
Sample & Hold is already on the Lancet, you don't need to pay extra for it.

>>48192060
b'dum-tish

what's happened to wp69 - not seen him about for a bit.

>>48192096
I'm so glad that somebody got that. I never get to make lame synth puns.

>>48192102
He died, now we're waiting for his son wpc667 to post here

>>48192102
These threads became surprisingly civil bout round the time that happened..

hmrrrm.

>>48192102
I think he has a job. Not a lot of people in these threads seem to have one.

Rejoining.
Vermona seems to be a good manufacturer to me too. Im kinda in love with the perfourmer mk1 after seeing vids like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpdNB56zLTQ

>>48192530
Vermona has been a good company for a long ass time. They've been around longer than most current synth companies, excluding the big three of course.

Check out this shiz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9gL1imQpEs

>>48192530
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1scx2a7Rl0

makes me drool man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zix0nqrRrJ4
How to make that sound starting at 0:29?
Sounds like a little steel ball under some kind of a pressure or idk.

>>48193512
They make magnets aaa kids toys that make that sound. They come in all sorts of different shapes. You toss ten into the air and they pull towards each other. The sound of them bouncing of and attracting back off of each other creates an oscillation that sounds just like that.

>>48192128

>tfw no one got my pun though

>>48186937

>can /mu/ spot it?

>>48193641
Yeah, I noticed it. Almost wanted to point it out.

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>>48193234

All those fucking knobs.

Did I die and go to knob heaven?

>>48193641
No, but a a previous slim phatty owner, I can tell you that they're real pots that are digitally multiplexed. There's no clicking, and they hit a dead stop like a regular pot, it's not an endless encoder.

I can also tell you I miss the shit out of it and you'll be impressed if you get one.

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>>48193629
seriously? could you post a link?

Hello anons :)
>>48193476

>>48193705

Yeah but it doesn't pick up the value until you move the encoder over the value, so it doesn't have jumping problems.

I'm still torn about it since I've heard they have tuning problems. I recently got a good new job and won't have enough for that price point of synths so I have a couple of weeks to decide.

>>48193971
>noise magnets
These?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZh63fc88c

>>48194013
I had a really low serial number (443), didn't really run into any tuning problems beyond the typical need to warm up like any other VCO synth. TBH I have more tuning issues with the microbrute. I wish arturia didn't put the tuner on the back and make it recessed, whenever I tune it, pushing it back in puts it out of tune again.

On the Slim Phatty, the tuner is right where it needs to be. If tuning is really a problem for you, there's also an auto-tune mode.

>>48194054
Yep. Minus the unnecessary walkthough/unboxing ceremony.

>>48189765

Try and put Guitar Rig onto your recording/sample. Some of the presets should give it an electronic vibe. Else try and craft an FX rack yourself. Good luck!

>>48194054
yeah dude how did you never have Oidz as a kid

im having trouble making new noises i always find myself going back to same frmular help

>>48194101

Actually good to know in all honestly since I was considering the micro, thanks.

>tfw I'm probably gonna end up with the bs2 and pulse 2 anyways for DCO master race... sorry

>>48194338
It's not really a beef I have with the micro, it's just my way of saying how minimal of a problem tuning is for the SP.

Why would you get both the Pulse 2 and the BSII though? They both seem to cover that same ground.

>>48193756

i'm drunk but lmmfao dat gif i can't stop laughing
\fuck you if i die

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>>48194054

We're very interested in this video and the related super-strong neodymium video.

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https://soundcloud.com/rothschild_uk/28052014-2a/s-1SakV

what do you guys think?

>>48193512

is this good music? it sounds like a 90's video game demo

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>tfw you're part of red pilled laptop only master race
>mfw watching plebs cart around their 20 half working synthesizers and tape machines thinking they look sophisticated
>mfw I just sample all the shit i need from faggots like you then leave

>>48195504
>watching
Where? People who use synthesizers in laptop music don't bring it to clubs, and you're obviously into the type of music where people would play it live.

Have fun with your button pushing tho.

https://soundcloud.com/ryunocore/140-skrillio-feel/s-p0Ych
experimenting with vocoders

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Hello I like synthesizers

I'm pretty solid with grooves and sound, but my overall track structure is usually shit. How can I work improve?

>>48195987
Look at works that you admire and map out their song structure. Make songs with the same structure. Doing is how you get better, full stop.

Can you guys suggest a good midi or synth for me? Im really ameteur right now but i know i need one. Im using fl studio

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>>48196153
I have an m audio 49 and and akai mpk mini for knobs and pads. Does the job. You could probably just get a bigger mpk though

>>48195504
Let's hear your music then

>>48196362
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnrwM7vFn_U

>>48196211
kill urself

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>>48195944
Can I have your KX88? I need one for my TX816

>>48183988
Anybody have any suggestions for a first synth in the $200-$300 range? Having a built in keyboard isn't necessary since I have a decently good electric piano. Preferably something with knobs and dials I can fuck around with.

>>48196596
:3

>>48189937
fake and gay Blofeld has 4 octaves

>>48196674
Well, the Microbrute fits within that price range.

>>48195944
2 (two) monomachines
fokin 'ell

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>>48196783
plz

>>48183988
What are some good VSTs for piano sounds?

>>48197080
I like Alicia's Keys. Simple but full of good sounds. Other people have mentioned other plugins, but I find that tons of parameters make for great synths, but not great piano plugs.

>>48196850
Seems good. Maybe I should save up and get an MS20 mini.

>tfw I just spent ~30 minutes looking at synths
>tfw modular synths
>tfw student with no space or money
I'm not even planing on doing music as a career and I'm ready to drop way too much money on it.

>>48196362
sorry, too famous a producer to post

>>48197909
How convenient.

>>48197909
Flying Lotus pls go

>>48197909
kek

>>48197961
>>48198046
>>48198062
i'll give you this hint: 2 of my compilations made it into RA's end year list last year

>>48198118
no1currs/believes you

>>48198138
>>48198138
but u cur

>>48198118
stop being an idiot and post your bullshit then

Can anyone rec me some table top or rack mounted analog synths? preferably polyphonic. I'm looking at the prophet 08 now

what's everyone top 3 favorite vst:

>synths

>effects

>>48198118
got any tips for properly getting your music out?

>>48198297
>VSTs
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>>48198238
really like this one. dont own yet, but on my list.

>>48198297
Synths: Aalto, Lush 101, Drumazon (drum machine obv)

FX: Sigmund delay, Sonnox reverb, Sonnox inflator

>>48198297
Harmor, Spire, toxic biohazard

Fruity peak controller, fabfilter pro-q, guitar rig

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SO I ORDERED THE ESQ-1

I'm so fucking excited guys

Is virtual analog really worth the money?

>>48198444
nice. enjoy!

Is FM synthesis suited for pads or is it best used for leads? So far everything I've been able to do with FM synth VSTs sounds metallic and punchy as hell.

>>48198466
fairly subjective thing. i would not buy Nord stuff new, but used, no problem.

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>>48198444
>those trips
nice.

Anyone got any good resources on programming them?

Hey I'm thinking about making ambient, house, and some IDM. Which one should I buy. The Microkorg, MiniNova, or the Microbrute? They're all within my budget.

>>48198483
I combine it with clever reverbs and layer it with a simple subtractive synth for pads, use it straight for leads. The secret to both is evolving sounds though. FM synthesis doesn't sound too great without envelopes

>>48198531
no MicroKorg IMO. go Microbrute.

>>48198353
how is aalto?
heard you can get some pretty unique sounds out of it, is that all it's good for or can it do more bread and butter stuff?

>>48198466
not really imo. it's nice and all to have the tactile experience and all but most VA gear is very overpriced at retail (virus, nord).
>>48198531
microbrute. while most of arturia's classic synth emulations are mediocre at best (except for spark, which surprisingly is the best drum machine VST i've ever used), their hardware however is very respectable.

>>48198483
6 OP is good for complex sounds and pads
4 OP and 2 OP are better for leads.

>>48198604
i love aalto. wont be able to afford a Buchla for some time, so it fits for the time being.

and yes, you can get some very unique sounds out of it as it is modeled after Buchla

>>48198531
If you get a nova, get the ultranova. The microkorg isn't even worth getting. Microbrute is solid.

New Lyong coming sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cof9X_MdQV8

Why do you all hate digital synths?

>>48198659
100% shitpost

>>48198659
We don't. We hate pointless digital synths like analog emulating plugins, or vastly underpowered digital synths like the microkorg. I love my digital synths, but I'm not going to waste my time with trying to nail a sound that they don't manage well anyways, when I could be doing cooler things with digital synths.

>>48198659
Repetitive as fuck

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>>48198649
if u get a nova u should just get a nova or supernova 2nd hand 4 hella cheap
of all VAs i ever tried i think i liked the nova the best (used nords, radias, virus..)

personally of the ones you mentioned id get the mininova

>>48198659
i love digital synths. their unique palette and the fact they're really good for effects and distortion is rad. i use FM synths almost exclusively for my synth-gaze type stuff.
song wouldnt be bad if there was more to it btw.
>>48198697
they're far from pointless. LuSH-101, DiVA, and TAL-U-NO-LX are fantastic synths through and through.

>>48198772
whoops misquoted >>48198697

>>48198705
they're far from pointless. LuSH-101, DiVA, and TAL-U-NO-LX are fantastic synths through and through.

>>48198772
>fantastic synths through and through
That's subjective. Besides, what's the point of trying to keep plugins in the past chasing a dream that they won't have? I'd rather see digital do more impressive things that a 40 year old synth can't already do.

>>48198880
there's plenty of room for both types of synths.

personally, i think synths like DiVA & LuSH-101 have come _impeccably_ close in their emulations, and there's been many blind A:B tests on communities like gearslutz and KVR that correlate that opinion. they bring great sound to the table but they also improve upon hardware too in flexibility, and at same time you also have synths like Zebra, Absynth, Aalto, and Alchemy that do exactly what you ask for.

i can totally see where you're coming from by wanting to see developers push towards the future and explore new ground, but analog emulation synths (when done well) don't hurt anyone by bringing their sound to the table.