Would anyone be upset if this actually became canon?
I feel like it would take more guts to have her accept rather than reject, as one clearly changes the status quo.
I'm already pissed about it, she's my fucking favorite pony, but canonize it and I'll dump her to the bottom of the shit list like the race traitoring whore she'd be. Spike's already there.
I can only see them doing it if they do a time skip/what if future episode, like Simpsons does every couple of years.
But because it's pony, we won't see a middle aged, cunty Rarity ordering around a teenage looking Spike while she leaves with another colt for a 'business meeting'
> it would take more guts to have her accept rather than reject, as one clearly changes the status quo.
So by that logic she should just accept it regardless of her own feelings on the matter because it changes the status quo.
You're no better than any liberal or feminist who decides that pushing an agenda matters more than a persons choices or feelings.
With all sincerity, go fuck yourself in the ass with a cactus OP.
Just wait until we make turn Spike bad boy hearthrob that every girl will find dreamy.
Not really, the whole thing was really tongue-in-cheek and overplayed, it was very obvious it was never actually going to happen and was just a plot point to drive the story forwards.
Probably never gonna fucking happen either way.
McCarthy seemingly hates even dealing with the subject so getting a mature level headed episode dealing with Spike's feelings towards Rarara, no matter the outcome
and it sure as hell won't be positiveit unlikely.
That said I'd love to see it.
meghan doesnt have the balls to deal with it in any way, and only larson seemed to support the idea, so the odds are extremely bad.
its far more likely theyll just pull out the old clishe and a new female version of spike will appear out of fucking nowhere for plot reasons and theyll instantly hit it off, causing the issue to resolve itself.
i doubt he will even call rarity out on her bullshit of using him when it happens.
Dear God no. They tried that in the comics and it was fucking terrible. She was older than him so it's not like it fixed anything either.
Maybe if they use the plot but she's a bad girlfriend who is abusive and Rarity protects him by getting him out of it.
"A fourth cousin twice removed by a fifth cousin."
They share as much genetic material as two complete strangers.
You're delusional if you think they'd include intentional incest between blood relatives in a kid's show.
nigga, if Ron can escape from the friendzone then anyone can
It wouldn't make any sense for her to suddenly reciprocate his feelings when she's clearly demonstrated for the entirety of the series she's not interested. A better episode (and better lesson to teach) would be one about Spike moving the fuck on, and that it's extremely unhealthy to obsess over someone for that long.
No, what's depressing is that they portray it as totally fucking fine that Spike lets Rarity walk all over him just because he likes her. It's sending the wrong message. To the girls: "It's totally okay to use a guy you're not interested in if he likes you," and to the boys: "Hey, it's okay to let a bitch walk all over you as long as you like her because it'll all work out someday!"
That's not how life works. Little faggot needs to grow a spine and move the fuck on or an hero immediately.
Why not try both? Even if they don't end up together why not at least have Rarity regret losing him.
Or even just understand that it is believable that Rarity is closer to Spike than she is with the other elements. He isn't completely shafted by her.
>Even if they don't end up together why not at least have Rarity regret losing him.
It would take god-tier writing to make that believable after what we've already been shown. She doesn't consider him a potential romantic partner, period. They may be close but it'll never happen. She's either oblivious of the extent of his feelings for her (unlikely) or she just doesn't give a shit ("you couldn't possibly know how it feels to like someone who doesn't like you back!" - the fact she even said something like this makes it plain as day that she just doesn't see him in "that way.").
There's better odds of an episode where Rarity has a massive orgy with every available stallion, diamond dog, and minuator before she goes for Spike. Maybe if he's lucky she'd let him watch as she takes load after load in her pussy.
>First it's bestiality
What are you trying to prove my nigga? Here she has a human form boo
It's been a fantasy stable for mythical creatures to assume human form to charm others my nigga
ain't like she turned into a dog or something doe
The only "impossible" things they did were toys Hasbro pushed.
Unless Hasbro suddenly starts giving a shit about the fact Spike exists it'll never happen. And thank god for that, their chemistry is fucking unexistant.
Spike's interest in Rarity is superficial. He doesn't love her, he lusts after her, and is too young to understand the difference.
Rarity may care about Spike but she's squicked out by the thought of being involved with him romantically. Look at some of her facial expressions when Spike is overdoing his gushy shit.
It'll never happen.
Honestly I'd question that. Rarity seems really stunted in that area. We joke about her being a slut but in reality her ideas of love are so dated that stallions likely think she's weird before anything else. She's read too many romance novels and thinks that's how it works.
>You are spike.
>Earlier today you went over to Rarity’s boutique to try to get her to like you again.
>But the only thing you found was her bent over taking Big Mac’s gigantic dick.
>You watched in amazement as she took the massive phallus over and over.
>Her juices spraying everywhere as her small pussy was torn to shreds.
>You headed back.
>Maybe some alone time in the tiny shed Twilight built for you behind the castle would do you some good.
>You could have sworn that the human Anonymous called you a “Cucked faggot” while you walked away.
does any woman understand what love is?
does any woman understand anything?
No. No it was not. Song overload with kinda bad songs, contrived character turnarounds, and those terrible, terrible CM designs. It was the CMC's Magical Mystery Cure, and I'm firmly convinced that most of the people who approve of it only do so because it gave them closure on the CMC. Closure that they didn't even need.
>Would anyone be upset if this actually became canon?
sparity is one of the worst ships in the fandom. It's cute when it's just a schoolboy crush. then again i stopped watching the show early s4 and don't really give a hoot anymore
>i gave it a 10/10, and i dont give those lightly.
I'm sure you don't, because no one ever gives out a 10/10 lightly. Especially not if they say they don't.
Dont you know what puppy love is?
>implying not just sensible
I fear for the people you choose to "love". But hey, they ain't me or mine, so kill 'em in a jealous rage if that's what makes ya feels good.
Not really. Romance is probably my least favorite thing that can happen in a show. Simple Ways is my least favorite episode entirely for that reason. So if they decided to make a long term romance for one of the mane 6 canon, I think I'd be done.
I'm the "legendary uber autist" just because I don't think they should shoehorn in romance? A relationship involving a main character is a big change to the status quo. The writers are already having enough trouble churning out really good episodes without that.
Former pone-fan who drifts here every now-and-then to see where this bastardized franchise is going here.
I'd still love for it to happen by the finale.
>Spike's interest in Rarity is superficial. He doesn't love her, he lusts after her, and is too young to understand the difference.
>Dont you know what puppy love is?
Don't know how you can actually believe this when everything in the show says otherwise, most notably in Secret of my Excess and Simple Ways. When Spike gave Rarity his Fire Ruby, a ruby that took him months to grow, that was for his birthday for him to eat, he says that it would mean more for him to see Rarity happy than for him to eat it himself. He set aside any personal vices he had in favor for Rarity's happiness. And despite all the crap Rarity puts him through, despite his own feelings and her falling for other guy, he doesn't protest or even attempt to change her mind and stands by her side. To Spike, it has always been about Rarity's feelings and never his own. He continues to support her expecting little to no reward for himself. As far as I've seen, Spike has shown more devotion, loyalty, and commitment towards someone he cares about than actual couples do who last no longer than a few months.
He's never going to just move on because whatever crush you think he haves, has moved well beyond that. Maybe one day he can love another, but he's never going to stop loving Rarity. Even "IF" she does marry another guy, he will continue to stand by and support her, and when she's old and wrinkly, he will still believe that she is still the most beautiful mare in Equestria.
After everything he has done and shown, how is it that you can believe that his feelings are just a crush?
Good thing it won't. I can't wait for all this to end when the finale comes, and all you shipping fags get BTFO. Especially Sparity, the worst kind.
It's times like this I'm glad Hasbro tries to make soccer moms happy, and not people like you.
>the little girls like this ship.
Keep telling yourself that based off of absolutely nothing, you delusional fucktard.
YouTube views of what? A My Little Pony episode? A music video? And views don't mean that it's total support of it.
Though something tells me that logic and reason won't be applicable to you. And you're just going to throw everything you can at "B-but muh ship... ;_;"
It's already getting me at
>this faggot again
None of those things ever happened.
>Shining armor and cadence
Two people being married is not shipping you fucking retard. People like you should never reproduce.
>Flash and Twilight
We're talking about the show here, not a movie made for people who like high school musical. Again, do not reproduce
It's a puppy crush between a child and adult that was only established to point out Rarity's beauty to the adience. It's not a serious romance that would develop over time. The only episode that await them in the future is the epsidoe where Rarity finally explain Spike the situation and he gets over her or meet another baby dragoness.
it may have started that way, but if that was the case they should have dropped it forever ago. at this point, hes had a crush on rarara for at least 1 full year, not to mention all the time he spends with her and SoME.
its a tough area since if dragons age super slow, which they suggest they do, then hes going to be a "baby" for like another 20 years. if hes intelligent, age wont mean the same thing for dragons as it does for ponies.
theyve put a lot less emphasis on "baby" dragon lately, though. maybe it means something.
>maybe it means something.
No it fucking doesn't. Based off of what? God, you faggots are so desperate.
Wrong. The CMC was not just a gag, something several episodes were devoted to, it was part of their story and characters. You're comparing apples and oranges.
How desperate are you to need this to be a thing that you claw at everythinf? Can't you just accept reality in that it'll never be reality and fuck off back to your shipfics?
No matter how much complicated your hadcanon is about his dragon maturity compared to a pony lifespan, the basic idea shared by the writers, Hasbro and most of the audience is this: Spike is a child, a kid around 10-13 years. Just look at him, he is like half the size of a "little pony". He will never get that Rarara pussy no matted how much you will try to bend the logic your way.
You can try with Discord and Fluttershy since age difference may not be a lost case in this situation. You can try with Rarijack since homosexuality may also become a part of the show canon in the future. But there is no way that Hasbro will ever approve a relationship between a 25+ woman and Dennis The Menace tier character.
He's a fucking baby dragon and at least a 12 year old compared to an adult. It would be retarded unless some shifty age and size shit happened.
Besides, i bet that when whorses get in heat there is no interspecies in their minds, only male pony cock.
>If it was Elderscrolls Girls
>Spike would have had a white soul
Hell, does any human being understand what love is? Even if they did, could they put it to words?
Big Jim has as much domain over the show as the team Rabbi has influence over the LA Lakers.
Now if this actually became canon? I don't know, I actually think it I wouldn't like it just because it sends too many messages and poor implications to kids.
There's the mentioned lack of 'give and take', but just as bad is when Spike's 'give' is 'rewarded'. It also sort of feeds the idea that "The boy must pursue the girl" and that "girls and boys can't be just friends and single".
There's just a tangled web of poor implications, honestly, and kids need to learn that, sometimes in life, you can invest 150% of yourself into something, and still fail. The important thing is to keep moving forward anyway and be willing and ready to give 150% of yourself again.
This threads missing something...
honestly, I think it's better without the sex scene. The artstyle doesn't feel like it would loan itself well to eroticism and works better as almost, kind of an innocent, "comfy" love tale.
Plus, I think the original clopfic had some... Ridiculous things for Spike's anatomy.
Two dicks and he can cum on cue and however much he wants.
I mean I once wrote something similar but the character in question's physical form was basically an iceberg tip in our dimension.
I don't recall.
Either way, I feel that little animation did the story's intent justice.
Admittedly, as much as I am against canon shipping (and I say that as an avid shipper myself), I do think it would be funny if Spike was given an "adult form" and immediately after seeing it, Rarity's reaction was something like "Humana humana humana humana humana...!"
I think it could be about Spike feeling guilty, that she should have normal life with a colt. To allow her had offspring and get older along with her potential husband, while he could be still young.
Add the conflict from Rarity's perspective - despite her internal struggle she tries to get beyond that.
Honestly... it'd be even bolder for the writers to make Rarity reject Spike. Big problem is, it'll create a schism between the two, leading up to some awkward moments... but... from a writer's perspective, that means that this issue can be saved for a sub-plot later.
Unfortunately I think, the most I can see happening with this is Spike getting the idea to push harder for whatever reason, the intrusiveness to rise rapidly, and finally, resulting in an unbecoming outburst from Rarity, thus making her the bad guy.
Hell, even a soft rejection would be crushing for him, and would still make her look bad.
How from a writer's perspective would you get around that? Not easily that's for sure. It's a minefield.
I commend this ship, if only because they produce some really beautiful offspring.
>not treated seriously
>used for menial tasks
>must be and is reassured constantly
>only given authority over the simplest of tasks
He is treated as a child, and acts as a child.
Specifically between 9-11, where it is all about how cool he is and how his thoughts matter too.
Your ship is shit, no matter how much you project yourself onto it.
>not treated seriously
>used for menial tasks
>must be and is reassured constantly
>only given authority over the simplest of tasks
Can be literally applied to all the mane 6 depending on the episode because consistency in character is non existent at this point
>constantly left home alone
>constantly expected to be completely independent, such as his journey alone to canterlot and "alone" on his dragon quest
>high measure of common sense and honor
those arent children traits.
and all of this still ignores the fact hes going to get older. my cousin married someone 20 yrs older than her, its hardly a stretch for 5-10 yrs, especially when apparently ponies live hundreds of years and dragons live thousands.
>believe they will age him and permanently change his model into a teenage dragon
Not only this is delusional as fuck, he would still be too young to date her. Teenagers are still not the same as adults.
>Claiming that disgusting dragon/pony hybrid is a thing of beauty
>Owns and runs an established business
>It's irrelevant that Rarity is clearly an adult in the show and Spike is clearly a child
What are you talking about we've seen their schools, what do you know about "the nature of Equestria", you've been there?
Does anyone here even think before they spew nonsense about their headcanon shippings?
Some Sparityfags are so desperate that they will try to age Rarity down when they realise that they can't make Spike seem older than a preteen. Everything to make their pedo ship more reasonable. No matter how most of the fandom, writers and voice actors see M6 as around 20+
>no dont discuss sparity, dont reply to people discussing sparity, just ignore the thread, wait let me make just one more post about not posting and ignoring the sparity thread!
>No matter how most of the fandom
>, writers and voice actors see M6 as around 20+
Their opinions are certainly interesting but if its not directly stated in the show its not canon and none of the characters ages are ever explicitly given
>he will never get older because they wont show it
ill bet you think they only live 24 days of the year too.
the irony is that even Spikefags such as myself have exhausted all Spike related discussion, including shipping. Most threads involving spike tend to only go on after the initial burst of reposts through the shitposters and naysayers.
Well, Faust seemed to think of the main six as around sixteen and once said she saw Spike as eight.
However, she said the former due to how quickly equines reach maturity (they're fully grown by the time they're like 8 as I recall).
Spike's own maturity seems to suggest him closer to a tweenager (like 12-14) in terms of our world but-
you know what? I'm gonna stop right there.
Follow the logic
Spike not looking like an adult=not having a romance with an adult character.
Is still a boy who read comics and ask Twilight for allowance money. Stope deluding yourself that he is going to act mature anytime soon.
CMC will sooner replace their filly body model with basic adult pony model than Spike will grow up.
New guy here, if you want to take EqG as canon, the only way it makes sense is if the m6 are teens, otherwise you'd have this bizarre situation where
a) there's a huge age gap between Twilight and the rest of the group, which is highly unlikely due to the fact that they got their qt marks at the same time
b) Sunset was Celestia's student before Twilight, despite being younger than Twilight
c) there's a 20-30 year-old whose enrolled at a high school, and before you say GED, GED students are separated from the general population.
Basically, Sunset has to be younger than 18, but older than Twilight, who is about the same age as Rarity.
>Sunset has to be younger than 18, but older than Twilight
which is odd because they make it seem like she left equestria just 3-4 years prior to EqG.
theyll pull some time moves slower bullshit out of their ass to explain it i guess.
Not even director of thee FiM series think that EQG is canon or that they are teenagers.
You may as well toss examples from IDW comics and books to explain your age headcanon. Either way is shit. Just like Celestia Is not 1000 years as a principal, Twilight is not a teenager and Spike is not 4 month old like his puppy counterpart.
Just kill yourself and sage this thread.
They go thro a fucking portal that alters their species and time seems compressed, you really think it can't change their physical age? Also it's highschool, throw a adult back into highschool with a teenage body and they'd either have a breakdown or start acting like the other hormonal insane teens there
Why do people even use EG as an example? It's just a spin off that doesn't make any sense.
>why are their skin color different
>why no one is shocked when witnessing magic
>why is it okay to accept magic without any deal or trying toresearch it (only Sunset who is a pony herself tried it!!)
>what happened to Luna and Celestia human version 100 years ago? Could Piny Celestia pass through a portal and become a principal before human Celestia was borned? Also that would imply that human Celestia had to have a lot more ancestors than Pony Celestia since she coudn't live for thousands of years
If its without logic, stop making logical conclusions about the FiM universe from it.
No. Give it up. Nothing good comes of this, and you're just interested in a shitty ship. Fuck away.
Give up already faggot
Sparity will and should never happen
I'm sorry, did I trigger you?
Not much to discuss. Anti-shippers will come up with arbitrary reasons to keep them separate, pro shippers will come up with arbitrary reasons to ship them. The show goes neither way and the biggest it ever got (and is likely to get) was with "Secret of my Excess".
That said I like it in general when they interact. Latest episode had some good examples of that (Spike running back to help up Rarity, f.ex.). It's cute, no matter which way you look at it.
>depending on the episode
And that is the difference.
There is no single Spike episode where he doesn't fall into every category.
I'm not sure there isn't a single Spike moment where he doesn't fall into at least one.
Please, please, prove me wrong. I want to be wrong about this, I want for there to be a moment when Spike is on screen it it isn't immediately before, or immediately after he is shit.
If want want to take EqG as canon, Sparity makes even less sense because it is bestiality.
Hell even removing my smartass shitpost, Rarity is still in high school, and Spike is a fucking puppy.
If dog age is supposed to be an analog for dragon years, then him being a 'baby dragon' is the most legit answer
Stop trying to be a victim, and stop saying those who point out a ship being shitty aren't shippers themselves.
>Pic related is a far better Spike ship because they are of the same age, they have some decent interactions with each other, and it would fit in both, Sweetie's character arc of getting out from under her sister's shadow and Spike's arc of growing up by learning the difference between loving a girl for her character rather than her looks.
And before you say shit, I know Rarity has character and isn't just a sexy bitch, but you have to know that Spike only fell for her because he was hot.
Spike is fine, Rarity is fine, Sparity is shit and will always be shit.
>mfw when I ship the fuck out of Spike and Sweetie Belle and find out it would actually work in the show or is actually really acceptable in between everybody else
>because they are of the same age
No. Just no. The difference in how Sweetie Belle behaves and how Spike behaves is miles. Sweetie Belle feels like an actual fucking child. She goes to school and does silly little school adventures. Spike runs around in Canterlot on his own and meets people like Hoity Toity.
And yeah, Spike fell for Rarity because she's hot, duh, but I REALLY doubt he'd still pine for her after all this time if that was all he'd be interested in. Usually when you just crush on someone you build this idealized version in your mind and stop crushing as soon as reality comes knocking on your door. If you really think that Spike, after having seen Rarity at her best and worst over the course of 5 fucking seasons is still only interested in her looks and doesn't give a shit about her as a person, you're full of fucking shit.
>not treated seriously
Every interaction with Harshwhinny
>used for menial tasks
Wasn't he hauling the luggage before his worshipers appeared? Again, correct if wrong.
>must be and is reassured constantly
Literally what the episode was about, he fucked up and needed reassuring...
>only given authority over the simplest of tasks
You got me there, lighting the torch is a big deal, and it was too bad that Twi had to do it in the end.
Never seen it, so I can't really comment
He didn't even fuck up because he was incompetent, he fucked up because he was a greedy shit who was trying to accomplish his task with as little effort as possible.
Even Princess Spike didn't depict him as incompetent, the world just hated him.
Spike doesn't go to school because of Book Horse, he meets all those important characters because of his ties to Book Horse and Sun horse, the reason he can't let go of his crush is because he's still a child.
Not to mention all the fucking times Spike has been shown to still have child like characteristics.
Your numbers lie.
Their difference in behavior are those between young girls and boys.
They both go on adventures.
They both go to Canterlot on their own.
They both meet celebrities, or does Sapphire Shores not count for some reason?
And of course he gives a shit about her as a person, but you have to be full of shit if you think that is enough for a fucking relationship.
If Spike fell for Sweetie, or fuck any of the girls
HIS AGEit wouldn't be based on them being literally the hottest thing in the tri-city area, it would be based exclusively on their character.
>has been shown to still have child like characteristics.
Like literally all of them. Especially Pinkie Pie.
>if you think that is enough for a fucking relationship
Nigga that's the fucking BASIS of a relationship. If you didn't care for someone as a person you wouldn't want to spend your fucking time around them. A relationship is all about spending time with the other person.
>based on them being literally the hottest thing in the tri-city area, it would be based exclusively on their character.
What the fuck? Are you seriously arguing that because Spike fell for Rarity based on her looks at first, it's fucking superficial and irrelevant? One cannot be into somebody because of their looks AND their character?
Nigga, I mean, like, actual fucking child characteristics, like crying when caught doing wrong
Pinkie Pie is because, well fuck, cause she's Pinkie Pie
And sure, he rest do have some sort, but to a controlled level
I think Anon is talking about when he caused the Breezies to blow off course. Which honestly was an overreaction on his part, and no one but the asshole Breezies blamed him for it.
It was less that he got caught doing something wrong and more that he just felt really bad.
Holy shit... that does sound interesting, good one anon
Well we also have the interesting dynamic of Spike now being kind of wedged with the mane6 dynamic and the CMC dynamic.
It would be interesting to see Apple Bloom either wanting Spike to occasionally tag along on their CMC adventures and Apple Bloom would want to tag along on Spike's adventures as well.
We'd likely see the awkward conflict of Sweetie Belle and Scootaloo wondering if they should bother tagging along whenever Spike is doing princess business, mane6 business, or general Equestria business.
You're putting words in my mouth.
I'm saying that Spike liking Rarity a whole lot doesn't make a relationship between them, there is more to a relationship than love.
Can he support her emotionally?
Can he support her mentally?
Can he realistically understand and help her with the types of problems she'd have as a mare and fashion designer?
No on all counts because no matter how much he may wuv her, he will never relate to her on her level because he is just a kid with a crush.
And because his attraction was based exclusively on how hot Rares helping her as an equal never even crossed his mind.
On the other hand with the fillies, he is on their level mentally, emotionally. If the CMC are having a problem in school, or with any other problem they would face as fillies and Cutie Mark Crusaders he could help a great deal without it seeming like an asspull. And because the attraction would be based on who the filly is, how he could be a supportive partner would be on his mind. Maybe not the first thing since he is a kid, but still we wouldn't have episodes upon episodes of him spilling pasta because they're so fucking hot.
Holy shit, fucking this!
Thank you based anon!
Y'know if you don't like Sparity wouldn't it be fucking easier to leave instead of derailing the one thread that can let the spar-fags chill and discuss something they enjoy together?
You only make it fucking worse taking away the discussion from them and derailing it so you can have a petty internet argument.
yeah it's sort of weird how the show never seems to acknowledge rarity's treatment of spike as wrong. I've seen a few of my male friends get lead on it and it always sucks to see, you try to tell them they're being taken advantage of and they just won't hear of it
I like the idea of Sparity mainly because Spike is, in my opinion, a pretty good match for Rarity - she just doesn't see it.
And no I'm not a guy self inserting myself into Spike's shoe's because I thirst over a woman that keeps going for guys that aren't her type. I'm actually in Rarity's position and recently saw the fucking light.
I just feel like when he's aged up a bit and he's consoling her over another failed date she'll slowly start to fall for him. She'll probably be conflicted beyond fuck due to the species difference and the fact he is younger than her, but then she'll realise he's everything she wants in a man and that doesn't matter.
tfw I didn't read that picture, and now I've basically fuelled the fucking anti shippers.
I find not only the idea of Sparity as a couple interesting, but everything that surrounds it.
Rarity is, simply put, a fame whore and can you imagine if suddenly she was frowned upon by a large group of people for being with a dragon romantically? I doubt she's a bitch and would just break up with Spike simply for that reason, but she would certainly have some internal conflict about it.
Hell his connections with the princess could even cause some conflict with the royal authorities and general public. What about the main six? Would they agree with it.
I want to say Applejack would probably be against it but that's quite edgy and stereotypical of me
Then we have potential offspring, don't even get me started on what their kids would experience. Your parent/'s being part of the Elements of Harmony can only get you so much fame, I imagine some people would be disgusted at the pony/dragon hybrid.
This all interests me immensely, but I still want them to be happy.
No, not at all, we just hope for the best...
Not at all.
Well, I guess it's sort of foolish pining for anything in regards to a children's cartoon, but in general no.
It's just fucking stupid coming in here shitting all over sparity fans because you don't like it. I don't mean you in particular, I just mean the individuals that have been doing so in this thread.
Also discussing other spike ships is fine too as long as your're not using them as fuel to shit on others. "MUH APPLEBLOOM IS BETTER THAN UR SHIT" etc etc.
We're just here to discuss stupid pastel coloured beings, we're stupid enough to get so in depth about it let's not make it worse by arguing.
to be honest, for a while a reason why I liked Sparity so much was because in my head it was a way for Spike to get away from Twilight and live his own life without her essentially using him as a slave
but then I remembered Rarity essentially does the same thing to him but instead of books it's needles and thread
Spike is literally Jerry, poor guy can't catch a break
Why the fuck would anyone like Sparity? Besides the age difference, and besides the species difference, do any of you guys think of the implications, the moral?
>you should devote years of life to a girl who blatantly uses you so that one day she *might* give you a pity kiss or something?
Would you want your kids to see something like that? It's the epitome of being a beta bitch, and I'm not using "beta" in the "trendy internet buzzword" sense, I mean it literally.
Ideally, in Simple Ways, after Rarity said what she did to Spike, instead of giving the camera a wacky-go-lucky "sure sucks to be me!" look, he should've just said the PG equivalent of "fuck this I'm out", without Rarity even noticing or caring. That would be a resolution that's both satisfying, subtle (implying the writers give enough of a fuck to devote a whole episode to this) and accurate to Rarity's character
>Can he support her emotionally?
>Can he support her mentally?
>Can he realistically understand and help her with the types of problems she'd have as a mare and fashion designer?
is being able to support your spouse in their work place essential for a relationship?
>No on all counts
>helping her as an equal never even crossed his mind
cuz shes been so good in the department of treating any male with any dignity. even if his only interest was in her body, hed be less shallow than her as he doesnt knowingly use people.
>same level as fillies
hes mentally about the same as twilight, even talking her through her own problems. the only instances he acts otherwise are the OOC episodes that everyone thinks are shit.
hes easily on the same level as any adult mentally, which should be expected from a dragon. but none of that really matters because in 5-10 years in their world there wont be any question whether or not hes old enough. even if they dont directly air it, if its not resolved before the series ends then it remains a possibility.
>Would you want your kids to see something like that?
Because it sparks more discussion to call you out and challenge you, and you just won't admit it.
If we're cyber-bullying you by derailing the thread, why are you responding? And by the way, it's not a derail if we're still talking about Sparity, whether or not it's shit. AND the OP says
>"Would anyone be upset if this actually became canon?"
So stop trying to make this a hugbox, faggot.
Ideally, in Simple Ways, after Rarity said what she did to Spike, instead of giving the camera a wacky-go-lucky "sure sucks to be me!" look, he should've just said the PG equivalent of "fuck this I'm out", without Rarity even noticing or caring. That would be a resolution that's both satisfying, subtle (implying the writers give enough of a fuck to devote a whole episode to this) and accurate to Rarity's character
What they did was sufficient, because none of the writers see it as anything that means jack shit, only the shipping fags need closure. It's like someone desperately needing to see Rarity get back to Ponyville in The Last Roundup.
>is being able to support your spouse in their work place essential for a relationship?
When your work flows into your life, your hobbies and enjoyment as it does with Rarity, the answer is yes. It is essential.
>cuz shes been so good in the department of treating any male with any dignity.
>hes mentally about the same as twilight
>watch the show faggot.
You do realize you sound about as bad as a SJW saying "Educate yourself!" when they get called out.
As you are being called out, it's your responsibility to provide proof. Are you going to do that, or are you just going to bitch that people are derailing, despite that's not what's happening at all?
Now do you have anything to back up your claims that Spike has emotionally and mentally supported Rarity? Because all I recall is Inspiration Manifestation, where his idea of "supporting" her made things worse for her.
Holy shit, you do sound like a Social Justice Warrior.
>if you dont know about it, you shouldnt be arguing about it.
That's the entire point. My argument is claiming that you are wrong. Therefore, I do not know about it. Of course I don't. I don't believe. Then, as the person who believes the opposite, it is your responsible to bring to light the reasons other wise. If you can't, then that's proof enough that you're wrong.
>im not about to go point out every single instance of all this shit happening throughout the series.
And why not? Because you realize you might be wrong? Because you started typing it out and realized you were grasping for things that weren't there? Can you even name one or two things to back up your point?
>Therefore, I do not know about it
so shut the fuck up and go watch the show you faggot. holy shit.
someone made a bullshit claim, i pointed out it was bullshit, and now you think the burden of proof falls to me. if anything, it falls to the faggot who made the original claims, dontcha think? do you think everyime someone makes a baseless claim it falls to everyone else to prove theyre retarded? especially on topics youre not even interested in. would it be too much of a stretch to think people who actually really like spike would pay more attention to what he does?
>you sound like a social justice warrior
you sound like a faggot who hasnt the slightest clue what hes trying to argue about.
its second place, right behind dislestia.
mainly because those who waifu rarara and sunbutt are stuck up assholes with a strange superiority complex and anything getting even remotely in between them and their waifu causes them to unsheathe their zanpakuto.
>so shut the fuck up and go watch the show you faggot. holy shit.
Why are you so angry? Holy shit, take a chill pill.
>someone made a bullshit claim,
The "bullshit" was a claim that Spike could not emotionally take care of Rarity. All you said was"He has". The burden of proof falls on YOU to back up YOUR claim that this is true. Until that happens, he is right. You have not proven anything, and all you're doing is screaming "EDUCATE YOURSELF!" like some tumblr child.
> if anything, it falls to the faggot who made the original claims, dontcha think?
The original claim was that Spike could not. As you say he could, the burden of proof is yours. You have to back up your words with a citation that he could. Especially for the person to say "No, that's not true because a b and c."
>would it be too much of a stretch to think people who actually really like spike would pay more attention to what he does?
If you pay attention so much, why is it so difficult for you to back up a claim to convince me to believe why you are right? Not to mention, I even gave a claim about how Inspiration Manifestation was an example how he couldn't. As I chimed in with one example after the other guy gave the initial claim, it's now your turn. It's been your turn.
>you sound like a faggot who hasnt the slightest clue what hes trying to argue about.
You really have no idea what's going on, do you?
Let me give you some advice. Go calm down before you start screaming and make more of a fool of yourself here. Then once you've finished your tantrum, come back here and give an example as to how Spike has satisfied Rarity emotionally and mentally. All you need to do is back up one for each. Shouldn't be so hard since you claim there is so much of it happening in the series, is there?
You really are ass-blasted, aren't you? Follow my advice, go take a break from the internet before you continue your temper tantrum.
I have. As I have claimed, I see no evidence of it in the show. As I mentioned, the closest I found was Inspiration Manifestation, when Spike attempted to help Rarity, only to fuck things up even more. The burden of proof is in your court now. If you continue to say "Go watch the show!" that only just proves you have no idea what you're talking about, and should essentially give up. Really, don't make yourself look any worse. Because it's clear you have no idea how this is supposed to work.
>he cant do it
>but he already has
>WELL PROVE IT
You say that like it's supposed to be weird that you need to back up your claim?
For example, you say Dislestia isn't canon. I'll chime in and respond saying it is canon. Who has the responsibility to prove the point? I do. I have the case to make. Saying "It's not canon" isn't the case.
Now do you have anything you'd like to assert, or are you just going to keep saying it's there despite evident proof to the contrary?
since youre obviously new to the board based on your file history, ill give you some advice as well.
you cant say stupid shit and expect others to prove you wrong and think youre right until they do. thats as silly a concept as me keeping you here all night with shit like "twilight cant use magic" or "spike cant blow fire." people dont exist on this board to correct every stupid thing you say, theyll call you an idiot, usually respond with lurk moar or DYEWTS, and leave it at that. the only reason im responding at all is because i happen to enjoy arguing, love spike, and have seen every episode a dozen times over.
now go watch the show and educate yourself you privileged cis scum.
Nigger I just don't like using pony images, simple as that. And now you're trying to redirect this rather than actually BACK UP YOUR FUCKING ARGUMENT. But you know, I can use a bit of ad hom too if you'd like. Nice EQG file, clearly you can't be trusted if you like such a shitty series.
>you cant say stupid shit and expect others to prove you wrong and think youre right until they do.
>Implying I was the one who in the first place said Spike couldn't
All I did was ask that you back up your claim. Which, oddly enough, you seem to be having a very difficult time doing! And what's being spoken about is something much deeper than "Twilight can't use magic".
>people dont exist on this board to correct every stupid thing you say,
People sure seem to like doing that, even when they aren't correct. Are you sure you're not the new one here?
Oh, well there's your problem.
>and have seen every episode a dozen times over.
If you love arguing so much, why is it so difficult for you to back up a simple point without trying to shift things all over the place, with re-directions like I should just watch the show, when I've already presented possible cases and in which it is incorrect. Now, are you going to provide a single example of Spike emotionally and mentally satisfying Rarity, or are you going to just keep going to say things about me?
Here, let me give you your next bullet. This is an image from Star Wars, why don't you set up your next ad hom based on how I'm a shitposter from /tv/ and how I should go back to posting Star Wars memes there?
So, I'm asking you directly, what is a single instance of Spike emotionally satisfying Rarity, and mentally satisfying her? Because I must be blind, because I've been watching the series since 2011 and I don't see a damn thing other than what people project from their fanfictions.
>Nigger I just don't like using pony images
its even more simple than that, rarifag star wars fan.
since you refuse to simply watch every episode, ill throw you a bone.
season 2, episode 10
season 4, episodes 13 and 23
theres 3 episodes for you to go enjoy. after those, go rewatch the whole series.
apparently at a panel they all gave larson the stink eye when a fan inquired about sparity. wish i screencapped this one anon who described it all really well earlier this year.
he was talking about how rarity wants to be treated like a princess, and how spike literally acts like a knight and treats her as such.
Now was that so difficult? You didn't list moments, but whatever, clearly I won't get any better than that.
>Secret of My Excess
Spike never did anything to emotionally or mentally satisfy her. Giving a gift is not that. And it certainly wasn't romantic.
Doesn't make sense. Spike had a throwaway joke and in no way attempted to emotionally satisfy her in that episode. Did you even watch that one? She went nuts in the 3rd act. He contributed nothing.
It's clear your shitposting at this point, I've already addressed this. His attempt to make her better, made the situation far worse, pretty much nearly allowing her to destroy Ponyville.
I'm afraid none of that holds up. But I do believe you'll just keep shitposting away, and I should be in part to blame as I keep responding. But if you sincerely believe this, then I do feel sorry for you and your delusional little world. Watch out for Reality, hear he's a meanie.
I suppose you wished the thread to be a happy little safe space too?
If I ask for a citation on this are you going to yell at me to attend conventions now too?
youll get nothing more from me since its a waste of time.
If that's everything you're banking on, that's honestly pretty pathetic.
second hand information mostly. from the way i heard it someone asked them if they plan on showing more spike and rarity romance which resulted in larson giving the thousand yard stare and angry looks from the females.
I don't get his mindset in regards to spike. Does he not see dragons as equal beings in his head so he's more of a pet/assistant to him?
That's weird, I always sort of preferred the friend/younger brother type role for him. I know he's certainly treat more like an assistant for the most part, but it's still nice to imagine that there is an underlying bond. Like what we saw in that recent Christmas episode.
I don't know, just something about him refusing to write him as nothing more than an assistant and recently a 'friend' rubs me the wrong way. I mean I know Spike isn't real but come on, have a heart Larson.
Not him, but
>Spike never did anything to emotionally or mentally satisfy her. Giving a gift is not that. And it certainly wasn't romantic.
Everything about those sentences is wrong. Spike gave her the ruby because he wanted to see Rarity happy (emotionally and mentally satisfied). Giving it did just that, and if giving the one you love a heart-shaped ruby and receiving a kiss for it isn't romantic to you, I don't know what to say.
>in no way attempted to emotionally satisfy her in that episode
He went along with all her ridiculous plans of setting up the second fashion show and going for the "farmer" angle. It can be safely assumed she got emotional satisfaction from that.
Results do not negate the intentions. He wanted to help her and he did. Rarity felt better for it, even though it eventually turned for the worse. But then he helped her again by breaking the spell and proving he'd still be there for her.
And never mind all the little moments in which he carries something for her, lets himself be used as a living pincushion or similar.
He was apologetic in a recent interview and wanted to give Spike a bigger role in the series. He even realizes that fans would like Spike to be considered a part of Twilight's family.
This is from a guy that already does justice to him.
I think in 'Inspiration Manifestation', what >>25304096 (after SO much coercion and arm-twisting) was trying to get at (at least I hope), was that it's not so much the results of Spike trying to help that mattered, it was his intentions that do. (Seriously to that guy... you can't just disagree with someone, and support your claim or argument with "Look it up" while not trying to limit the things they'd have to look through... It's like a fanatic reader of a long comic book series telling another who disagreed with him on something to "look it up"... there's too much material to look through to pin-point the evidence he's thinking of, and... it especially provides no unique individual perspective that would have explained why or how he created his head-canon in the first place!)
Anyhow... he saw Rarity was upset that her contribution to the fair wasn't going to be used, and wasn't sure she could possibly make something else in time. (Whether or not she could have was irrelevant, she was so beside herself that she probably wouldn't have been able to do so anyhow.)
So... Spike decided to look for a magical solution. Good intentions, but implementation could have been better... since... you know... he lived with who at the current moment can be considered the most-up-to-date individual in regards to anything magical in Equestria...
So there's a certain thought process there, this "I was able to help all by myself, and look how much she likes me now" sort of thing. (At least... in my mind.)
Then of course, things start going bad, and Spike feigns support... even to the point where Rarity converted the Town Hall into solid crystal and endangered 2 ponies who were still inside when that happened! (I'm not sure if they were embedded within the crystal, or merely trapped within.)
>Everything about those sentences is wrong. Spike gave her the ruby because he wanted to see Rarity happy (emotionally and mentally satisfied).
>It can be safely assumed she got emotional satisfaction from that.
>He wanted to help her and he did. Rarity felt better for it, even though it eventually turned for the worse.
You seriously have deluded yourself into thinking that women act on emotions so that they won't hurt anyone's feelings. Grow up bud, because you sound like your a twelve year old kid that has no idea how women fucking work.
>and receiving a kiss for it isn't romantic to you,
Kisses aren't always romantic you autist. Have you never seen someone kiss someone before as a thank you without it having romantic undertones? I'm assuming if you've ever seen a movie about a mafia family, you probably think everyone is romantically in love.
>He went along with all her ridiculous plans of setting up the second fashion show and going for the "farmer" angle. It can be safely assumed she got emotional satisfaction from that.
Except those plans were clearly not the right thing for her. If a child is begging to eat nothing but candy all day, is it the right thing to do to give them that? Of course not. And if that's what you do, you're a shitty parent.
>Results do not negate the intentions. He wanted to help her and he did. Rarity felt better for it, even though it eventually turned for the worse. But then he helped her again by breaking the spell and proving he'd still be there for her.
Again, see above. If the intention results in something clearly not good for the individual, then the intention doesn't matter, as you would clearly not be someone good for that person. And so, Spike has proven that he's not even in love with Rarity and wants what's best for her, he's just infatuated with her, and just wants her happy no matter what. Two EXTREMELY different things, and one is not good for love at all.
>And never mind all the little moments in which he carries something for her, lets himself be used as a living pincushion or similar.
That is not in any way emotional or mental satisfaction.
Anyhow, he was more worried about the potential consequences of being honest about his disapproval that he'd let that incident slide, right alongside the unwilling conversion of other's belongings too.
So... he doesn't want to see the person he likes to be unhappy... but he especially didn't want that person to be unhappy towards him, regardless of the good that could have came as a result of that.
And... that's all in that particular case. (Also a reminder that Spike was in fact, used as a pincushion at some point.)
So... childish? Not necessarily. Mature? Not there either. He's really more... confusing.
And to end my input (at least for now)... bearing in mind that >>25293289 was also from me... while the pairing is cute at times, and while Rarity, having a skill for gem finding, would be a strong positive for Spike... I can't possibly imagine the ship could ever really sail. It's not so much a physical age thing, it's a mental one too.
I just don't think Spike is really all that developed yet for someone who actually has a decent grasp of herself (and this is Rarity we're talking about too).
Now, a pairing with him and one of the CMC's though (which one I haven't decided yet)? That would probably work out better, and I never thought about it before until going through this thread!
assistant isnt a demeaning term. shes supposedly been studying quite a bit and spike is there to help and learn alongside her.
i actually really like that hes been stuck with her and her constant need for knowledge. since dragons live thousands of years, i can easily see him taking what twilight has taught him and becoming one of the wisest and most intelligent creatures to ever exist.
>Everything about those sentences is wrong. Spike gave her the ruby because he wanted to see Rarity happy (emotionally and mentally satisfied). Giving it did just that, and if giving the one you love a heart-shaped ruby and receiving a kiss for it isn't romantic to you, I don't know what to say.
Did you forget that episode?
He was seduced into giving it to her less than three minutes into the fucking episode.
BECAUSE SHE WAS HOT!
>pic related was how Rares 'asked' for the ruby.
>Kisses aren't always romantic you autist.
I was talking more about the heart-shaped ruby.
>If a child is begging to eat nothing but candy all day,
False equivalent. Spike had no way of knowing that the book would actually be bad for Rarity.
>spike sees the one he loves as a goddess
>this is bad in any way
he gave it to her because he cares about her more than himself. you can see it hurt him directly after when hes on the verge of tears, but then with a kiss hes reminded why he did it.
Spike eventually came to know about the book and what it was doing and did nothing at first which I... I'm pretty sure I touched up on here at >>25306914.
I didn't jump in the conversation and toss that in for absolutely nothing.
Sorry, friendo only the animu background is the fantasy.
she tried to seduce him the same way shes done before, but if you payed any attention you would notice it didnt work on him the same way it has everyone else. he wasnt happy to hand it over and giggling like an idiot. he was crushed because it was a self sacrifice.
Nah, Most hated is Soaridash, then Dislestia and Sparity would be acceptable if it didn't imply pedophilia.
I haven't seen a single fluttercord hate thread or shitposting other than dislestia fags claiming that their ship is better.
And even when he did, he kept accepting everything she did. It isn't a false equivilence.
>Implying beastiality isn't an issue
And not to mention the entire thing makes Rarity look like some prize for Spike to win as she's clearly out of his league. And she's clearly not caring for him as much as he does for her. Notice how she treated him the same as Owlicious, when giving them a gift.
Why do none of the threads with ships that have zero basis in the show dont get nearly as much as no fun allowed fags? Is it because Sparity has this this tiny sliver of possibility in the canon (even if its one sided) that it makes the autists come out of the woodworks?
Ok, assuming you're the same guy as >>25306875
, give me an example of a wholesome loving relationship scenario that results in emotional and mental satisfaction.
Just some hypothetical scenario, because I have no idea what you want anymore.
I mentioned it before. Emotional and mental satisfaction is the ability to take care of someone with what is best for them in mind, not what exactly they want. I mentioned it before, Spike has demonstrated he is infatuated with Rarity, not in love. Now, that's not to say it has to be perfect, but Spike has continuously just done spur of the moment things in an attempt to make Rarity happy in the moment, but instead has made things far worse.
>Simple Ways, fed into her insane and irrational behavior
>Suited for Success, didn't bother to check with Rarity and just invited Hoity Toity in an attempt to please her, but that made things worse.
>Inspiration Manifestation, gave her a cursed book and fed her insane desires.
>Was nowhere to be found in Rarity Takes Manehattan when she clearly needed support.
Now, to please you, I'll give you examples how that could have been changed to actually satisfy emotional and mental needs.
>Simple Ways, if he actually bothered to attempt to snap her out of her behavior, without inserting his own love.
>Suited for Success, had he actually asked her permission, and while he may have been unaware the dresses were shit, he didn't need to invite him on a whim. He also could have helped snap her out of her distress. Which, again, he did not. Her other friends had to do that, he was unavailable.
>Inspiration Manifestation speaks for itself, the entire episode was his fault, and if he just attempted to speak her out of it, and not try to make her happy, that would have avoided everything.
>Rarity Takes Manehattan, again, he should have been around as she was at a low. He was even in Manehattan, where was he?
All this clearly demonstrates my point of how Spike is merely infatuated with Rarity, and doesn't truly love for her. In a way, making him no different than most other waifufags.
I hope not, he's not allowed to bring friends.
>being so opposed to something that will never happen
>not allowing yourself to enjoy something/simply ignoring it if you don't
>take care of someone with what is best for them in mind
And how do you assess what is best for them? Sure, in hindsight it's easy to say this and this could've been done. But in that precise moment, you can only go with gut feeling. So no, it doesn't demonstrate jack shit, other than you putting unrealistic expectations on Spike.
Now out of curiosity...what emotionally and mentally satisfying moments does he have with Sweetie Belle, hm?
>simply ignoring it if you don't
I will never understand this logic. Especially since the OP says "Would anyone be upset if this actually became canon?" literally opening the floor for people who oppose it. It's not like this was started as a Sparity art thread that got overrun by people who don't like it.
>Now out of curiosity...what emotionally and mentally satisfying moments does he have with Sweetie Belle, hm?
Why do you want me to talk about that? I don't think SpikexSweetie Belle is canon, and there certainly is barely any character interaction to back that up.
>And how do you assess what is best for them? Sure, in hindsight it's easy to say this and this could've been done. But in that precise moment, you can only go with gut feeling. So no, it doesn't demonstrate jack shit, other than you putting unrealistic expectations on Spike.
When someone is clearly acting insane, or clearly upset, and you act upon a gut instinct to make them better, yes, that is a problem.
But hey, I guess it is unrealistic to expect that of Spike! Because he's a fucking child and has no business in romance with an adult anyway because he literally cannot do jack shit.
>When someone is clearly acting insane
lesson zero, inspiration manifestation
>or clearly upset
simple ways, castle sweet castle
>and you act upon a gut instinct to make them better, yes, that is a problem
how should you act? is there a manual for helping people who are upset in different ways? as far as i know, the 'only' way to act when trying to help someone who is emotionally distressed is to do what feels right.
I think Fluttercord is more justified and fleshed out than Sparity. Their relationship contain both a lot of arguing along with getting along. While Sparity is mostly Spike acting like dumbass to impress her and Rarity taking advantage of him. I see no equal partnership between them. Probably because of unequal social status (adult businesspony/little boy)
I personally don't like Fluttercord, but I do agree that it is much easier to argue how that is possible than Sparity. It's definitely clearer that there could be a relationship there, rather than one just finding the other hot.
You killed yourself in your own post.
In Lesson Zero Spike tried to calm Twilight down using rational arguments, and then called Celestia
read:A FUCKING ADULTto handle it.
In Castle sweet castle, he trusted her friends to fix what was wrong with Twilight, and shared her pain with her, while she mutually shared in his.
Spike handled Twilight's situations worlds better because he knows and cares for Twilight as a person exclusively, and not as boner-fuel first person second.
This. Main problem is that they don't treat eahother as equals. Spike put her on pedestal like she was a godess instead of a friends. Rarity is patronising him and it kill any romatnic implication. When she bought him a carrot dog in Manehattan, it felt like some older auntie bought him a candy. I can't see them as a legitimate romantic pairing.
When you go to the carnival and see a 25 y old woman with a 10 old kid holding hands, you asume that they are siblings or that she got pregnant as a teen and he is her son. You don't really see them as a pair on a date and it's wierd that sparity fans see it differently.
Thanks, that pretty much covers what I was going to say. In fact, if anything that makes even worse of a case for Sparity as it shows Spike can handle a situation maturely, he just never does so with Rarity.
>how should you act? is there a manual for helping people who are upset in different ways? as far as i know, the 'only' way to act when trying to help someone who is emotionally distressed is to do what feels right.
Except what "feels right", isn't always right. Spike clearly demonstrated that numerous times. It feels right to give the kid what he wants and let him eat candy all day. You can't help another person on an instinct, you need to actually think over what's best for them. Not what makes them happy at that second.
celestia just reaffirmed what spike had already told her, and was the center of twilights worry. of course shes going to calm down when the person shes worried about tells her shes not angry. dont be so fucking dense.
spike liked the new castle, she didnt, but he understood enough to try to help her friends help her. they all played their part.
you act like just because he thinks shes beautiful hes incapable of being emotionally attached. thats a really fucking shallow view.
>you act upon a gut instinct to make them better, yes, that is a problem.
Oh, this is rich. I guess the correct way to go about it is to map out every possible consequence and calculate the possibilities of each outcome before acting, right?
So yeah, that's not only unrealistic but also extremely autistic.
>Spike handled Twilight's situations worlds better because he knows and cares for Twilight as a person exclusively, and not as boner-fuel first person second.
Nice projecting. Spike handles Twilight better cause he's known her his whole life and knows how she ticks. He's still getting to know Rarity. Spike and Twilight have an established close relationship, Spike and Rarity do not. Mistakes are allowed.
>Except what "feels right", isn't always right. Spike clearly demonstrated that numerous times.
As do others. Again, you're singling out Spike to confirm your own bias. Nicely going.
>You can't help another person on an instinct
>you need to actually think over what's best for them
which is still based on instinct. theres no objectively right or wrong way to help anyone. if i asked you how to deal with a disobedient child, how many different answers do you think id get? how many of those would be from people who think what theyre doing is whats best for the kid?
what feels right is what everyone does, no matter how much they think about it.
>celestia just reaffirmed what spike had already told her, and was the center of twilights worry. of course shes going to calm down when the person shes worried about tells her shes not angry. dont be so fucking dense.
What are you saying? How is he dense for saying that? Spike realized that he was not equipped to handle Twilight's little tantrum, and so called upon someone who actually could. Rather than giving in to Twilight and giving her what she wanted that second, like "Oh yeah, go force a friendship problem on someone."
>spike liked the new castle, she didnt, but he understood enough to try to help her friends help her. they all played their part.
You're just backing up what he's saying still.
>you act like just because he thinks shes beautiful hes incapable of being emotionally attached. thats a really fucking shallow view.
But he continuously proves, over and over, that he is not able to handle Rarity emotionally, and really only acts the way he does because she's beautiful. Spike tries to spoil her and blindly follows anything she does. That's not love at all, nor is it emotional attachment. Spike has not, and does not, "love" Rarity.
No he is definitely attached emotionally to Rarity, but all the proven reason he has goes out the window as soon as she comes into play.
That is why he knows, and is willing to let those who are older handle things with Twilight when things get out of hand and why he needs to do everything to help Rarity. Regardless of it actually helping or not.
Spike doesn't have gut reactions when it comes to Twilight's well being, but he does with Rarity. That is the plain truth.
Spike does "love" Rarity, but he cannot look past that "love" to even think that those who relate to her more could be of more help like he does with Twilight.
Well I'm Inspiration Maniefestation he was aware of the damage being done to Rarity, he was just afraid of the conflict of trying to fix it. It was less that he understood it and more that he didn't know how to do something that would upset Rarity even if it was for the best. Hence the lesson.
>Oh, this is rich. I guess the correct way to go about it is to map out every possible consequence and calculate the possibilities of each outcome before acting, right?
You're clearly setting up a strawman, but yes. You have to deal with someone who is in emotional distress rationally.
>Nice projecting. Spike handles Twilight better cause he's known her his whole life and knows how she ticks. He's still getting to know Rarity. Spike and Twilight have an established close relationship, Spike and Rarity do not. Mistakes are allowed.
This is pathetic. Saying he's still getting to know Rarity, after years of knowing her? It's infatuation, get over it.
>As do others. Again, you're singling out Spike to confirm your own bias. Nicely going.
I don't understand, we're singling out Spike because the topic IS Spike, what's the fucking problem? Stop acting like the victim where everyone attacks Spike.
>which is still based on instinct. theres no objectively right or wrong way to help anyone. if i asked you how to deal with a disobedient child, how many different answers do you think id get? how many of those would be from people who think what theyre doing is whats best for the kid?
Fair enough, but there still is a point where acting on a certain instinct is in fact wrong. And Spike has acted on many bad instincts many times, with and without Rarity involved. But then again, he's still a kid. So it's to be expected, but proof that he's not able to deal with this.
Inspiration Manifestation was all about him realizing that "loving" someone sometimes means telling them stuff they don't want to hear or helping them get out of a bad situation.
>Spike realized that he was not equipped to handle Twilight's little tantrum
he did handle it. when twilight wouldnt listen to reason, he got in contact with celestia to let her know that twilight was freaking out about her. it was the right way to fix the situation.
>he is not able to handle Rarity emotionally
rarity cant even handle rarity emotionally. shes a literal drama queen. however, he gives her the emotional support she needs, even if she doesnt realize it yet.
>and really only acts the way he does because she's beautiful
he sees her as incredibly beautiful because he cares about her. why do you think all of his visions of her are over dramatized? he literally sees her as a princess and himself as her knight.
>blindly follows anything she does
which he realized wasnt always the right thing to do in inspiration manifestation when he flat out explained that.
>Spike has not, and does not, "love" Rarity.
you dont do everything he does for lust, anon, especially not for years.
Being a manchild is just his personality. Fluttershy still treat him as an equal friend like all of the mane6. She doesn't cut him slack or treat him like some old uncle or as a baby. Likewise Discord doesn't treat her as mother, daughter or any other special figure. Just as female friend.
>Spike is having some crazy battle in the sky with some villain threatening Equestria
>The fight is greatly turning in his favor
>Rarity shouts on the ground
>"I am rooting for you Spike! Good Luck, and give that ruffian trouble."
>Someone in the crowd is amazed she knows him.
>"Of course...he is my coltfriend!"
Age differences have only been seen as a "problem" in recent decades. Oddly enough, the rise of this "problem" correlates roughly to the rise of feminism. Sorry history doesn't like your opinion.
The biggest problem between them is simple incompatibility.
Nobody seems to think about Rarity's perspective when this ship comes up because unless she is sad and desperate for love it cannot fucking work.
Ask one simple question, what is Rarity attracted to?
If you answered attractive older stallions of prestige or pedigree, give yourself a cookie, you're right.
If you answered anything else, give yourself a cookie, you're wrong but mom made fresh cookies!
That is the biggest problem with Sparity, nothing about Spike save for his devotion even slightly endears himself to Rarity.
He is small, chubby, dependent, gluttonous, power hungry, conniving, irresponsible, and arrogant.
The only traits he has going for him is a decent measure of courage, and a form of nobility in his dragon code
the one time that was brought up.
All shitposting, all insulting, all projecting, and all implying aside, Rarity just wouldn't like Spike like that, because she doesn't like the kind of person he is.
There's another angle to this too, Spike wouldn't challenge her. Spike wouldn't stand up to her when she's wrong, or argue his point of view when they had a disagreement. When you're lovestruck and naive like Spike is, you'd see this as a positive, when really its a negative. So even if you took away the prestige and pedigree of Fancy Pants, say, she'd still find him a better mate then Spike, for the simple reason that he is confident in what he says. Rarity seeks out the upper crust because they tend to have more successful individuals. Like it or not, success and ego go hand in hand, and Rarity needs someone with her ambition to keep pushing her.
Spike would let Rarity make the shittiest dress on earth and still tell her it was beautiful because she made it. He'd be convinced that saying the right thing is more important than the truth. The novelty of that wears off quickly, and she'd grow bored of him. The real test would be if Spike learned from his mistake or grew bitter.
It doesn't matter that it was a spell. The lesson that he learned applied to more than just that.
You can't really discount the lesson he learned in the episode because it was extreme. It was a major part of their relationship, whatever it is, growing and him maturing.
Romance, Heroics, and being a gentleman are more important to her than any of those things, Spike had no qualms throwing himself in harms way to protect her from the Diamond Dogs, you can tell he's a romantic, and it definitely acts like he has more prestige than any of the other stallions she's falling for, in fact he has MORE prestige than any of them combined, he's the fucking hero of the Crystal Empire, they even have a statue dedicated to him. So gtfo, kid, you lost.
Yeah, I don't think that's Spike or Rarity. Neither of them are really grounded in reality to say the least. We're talking about the mare that literally WOULD want to run a charity for giving mares dresses if she could and actually TRIED to.
Is there any stories of them trying to date and realizing it wouldn't work? Like the date is boring, the conversation is dull because they know everything about each other, and the end result is they both want out but neither wants to be the one to do it because they're worried about the other party?
If not I kinda wanna try my hand at it. I feel like its one of those angles people don't consider as much (as opposed to 'they're perfect!' or 'she's a cunt and won't date him')
Actually I've seen people who don't like Spike or Rarity as characters explain that they're perfect for each other. It's an angle that doesn't come up much because the people who LOVE Rarity just tend to hate Spike and people who like Spike like Rarity usually. The people that tend to not like either always mention how Spike and Rarity are awful people who only work well when they're together. When they're with anyone else, they're an annoyance/drain/buzzkill. Think about it. Spike is a snarky asshole, naive, and uncomfortably blunt whether he's aware of it or not. Rarity is a drama queen, (even if she grew out of the fainting couch) incredibly touchy, picky, unconnected from reality, and vain.
In these minds, they "deserve" each other because no one else should have to suffer with them.
Again, I'm not so sure. I think that they've both led pretty interesting lives and they'd have a lot to talk about.