anon... Amuro or Char? RX-78-2 or Zaku-II? Nu-Gundam or Sazabi?

Amuro
Zaku-II
Sazabi

Hi-Nu or Nightingale?

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>>15862280
>Amuro or Char?
CHADmuro
>RX-78-2 or Zaku-II?
Tie, but since the Gundam is more powerful I'll go with that.
>Nu-Gundam or Sazabi?
Every person that replies with Sazabi is WRONG.
Nu-Gundam

>>15862376
>picking NuMale-Gundam

>>15862280
>Char
>RX-78-2
>Sazabi

>>15862280
Char. Gundam. Sazabi

>>15862351
Hi-Nu.

Now the real question is, Hi-Nu or Sazabi?

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Amuro
Gundam

Amuro
Gundam
Nu
Hi Nu

Sad part is I would have taken Z'gok or Gelgoog over gundam

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>>15862280
Amuro, Gundam, Sazabi.

>>15862351
Hi-Nu. Both are awful, but Nightengale is worse.

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Sazabi/jagd doga funnels were always my favorite.

Surprised over the fact that people choose Amuro over Char.
Maybe in /m/ Amuro is more popular.

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Char
Zaku II
Nu Gundam

Look at that thing, it's gorgeous

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>>15862280
>>15862351

Reversible Gundam or Ballistic Zaku?

>>15862807
When you over the minutae of UC gundam to the extent /m/ does, Char comes off as a bit schizophrenic at best.

>>15862280
Amuro
Gundam
Sazabi

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>>15862409
>NuMale-Gundam
>Anally rapes the Sazabi and tears him a new one

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>>15862807
Amuro drops his autism after 0079 (arguably, during the show).

Char never did. And watching him during the Charmuro trilogy, he comes off as a delusional psycho. Origin only bolsters that presumption. Amuro is pretty normal by comparison.

>>15862822
Honestly, I think that BOTH Amuro and Char are batshit crazy in the end of CCA, like they are blinded by vengeance or something.

>>15862825
Actually what happened at the end of CCA was Amuro sacrificing his life to stop Char's cartoonishly ridiculous plan of destroying the Earth.

>>15862845
Char did nothing wrong anon.

>>15862822
I always thought a more accurate meaning behind this line was that he was never loyal enough to anything to have betrayed it.

I agree with you on everything else, though.

>>15862854
He did everything wrong.

It's a shame that people like Amuro and Bright had to put up with his shit.

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>>15862822
>>15862825
>>15862845
>>15862854
>>15862859
>>15862860
This was entire point of CCA.
Char was delusional and just set up Neo Neo Zeon to have a chance at revenge on Amuro.
He wanted him to take up the challenge, he wanted it to be duel of the ages.
That's why he gave Londo Bell psychoframe blueprints.

But Amuro refused.

He didn't want to do anything with this madness.
He already realised that there's no point to continue the dick measuring "greatest MS pilot evah" contest.
He wanted to move on.
What Char percieved as clashing with his "nemesis", for Amuro was putting down a rabid dog.
A final insult and proof how Char failed as philosophical Newtype and as a person while Amuro preveiled, both martially and mentally.

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>>15862280
Char
Casval's Gundam
Sazabi
>>15862871
Char's not that petty
And even if he was, he would get no support.

>>15862918
>Char's not that petty

It's like you weren't paying attention to CCA at all.

SHAAAAAA
RX-78-2
Sazabi

>>15862822

But that's neither Char or Casval; that's Quattro and he never betrayed anyone in his life :^)

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>>15863000
But Quattro is A CHAR

>>15862918
>Char's not that petty
Everything he does from the moment Deikun dies to the minute he shot Kycillia is him acting out his revenge for Degwin maybe possibly killing his dad
Meanwhile, Sayla went off, accepted what had happened, started to live her own life, and when she finally met up with Casval again desperately begged him to let it go
Char's entire existence is acting out petty grudges

>>15863002
Exactly, A Char, not THE Char.

>>15862280
Amuro
RX-78-2
Nu-Gundam which isn't just for show

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>>15863000
THERE'S ONE MORE THING THAT I MUST DISCLOSE BEFORE I SAY WHAT I CAME TO SAY

>>15863017
ZEON DEIKUN?!

>>15863012
But Full Frontal is char, the scar proves it, you can't clone someone with a scar like that which isn't from DNA

>>15863103
>what is plastic surgery?

>>15863104
clearly not present since they don't even have contacts to give char proper red eyes

>>15862854

He gave his opponent the means to beat him. I'm pretty sure that counts as wrong.

>>15862918

Where are you getting the idea petty people don't get support? That's an entirely baseless supposition.

Amuro
Zaku II
Nu Gundam
>>15862351
I can't choose between my two favourite UC designs

>>15863158
In real life politicians are being backed by major economical groups because politicians can assist them in reaching some of their goals.
Those goals may be pretty different, like crushing the competitors or lifting some trading restrictions. They may be represented in the programme document of the movement in one way or another.
Sometimes, the parties create the financial group of their own and reach some sort of independence from other investors
On the other side, masses are taking sides of certain politicians because of the promised benefits and steps.
If Char's goal was defeating Amuro, he would have found other ways to do it, instead of finding investors and founding military groups

>>15863103
He could have just cut himself and based it on archive footage of Char from Dakar

>>15863205
>If Char's goal was defeating Amuro, he would have found other ways to do it, instead of finding investors and founding military groups
He needed a way to get Amuro in the Gundam and threat of dropping Axis was only thing sufficient.
Sure there were ways to kill Amuro easier but he was looking for a legendary duel.

>>15863205
>If Char's goal was defeating Amuro, he would have found other ways to do it, instead of finding investors and founding military groups

Char wanted to defeat him in multiple ways and prove not just that he was the superior pilot, but that his world view was correct as well, possibly because he thought if he proved his view correct Amuro might side with him. He needed political activity and military might to prove his world view.

>>15863215
Why? Char could have been satisfied with killing Amuro in an equal gunfight.
Epic battle can take different forms.

The investors from AE would support Char only if he had something to give them. And Char's plans are more global than some personal vendetta.

>>15863245
>Char could have been satisfied with killing Amuro in an equal gunfight.
He could have, but he wasn't.

>>15863257
He was about to kill Amuro in hand-to-hand combat, but Amuro decided to shoot him.

>>15862871
Wrong, both Amuro and Char wanted to kill each other, this is evidenced when Amuro says "I'm prepared to give my life to take his"

>>15863298

Not him, but when does he say that? Not that I'm even doubting it, I just don't recall where it is in the movie and I'm mostly curious who he says it to.

>>15863302
After the death of Astonaige's girlfriend, when he is talking with Chan.

>>15863002
Is that amuros letter to hayato? Do you think he actually wishes he were hayato?

>>15863318
Kai's letter to Hayato.

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>>15863302

>>15863511
Amuro was ready to sacrifice himself not because he couldn't get past his grudge with Char but rather because he understood the consequences of his plan succeeding

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Judau
Zeta Gundam

>>15863590
Judau Ashta
Dabaru-Zeta
Ikimasu

>>15863298
That doesn't prove the anon's points as wrong.

Amuro knows Char is crazy and must be stopped, he otherwise wouldn't have cared.

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>thread becomes amurowanking

>>15863635
I really like Char as a fictional character, but he's only interesting because he's such an awful, confused, petty person
He's a great mirror for Amuro; Amuro who grows up and accepts circumstance, while Char just sits wallowing in the tragedies of his childhood that even his little sister was able to get over

>>15863643
But Amuro doesn't know the word "pro-active" and he is just naive, like really naive.

>>15863918

How so?

>>15863943
Char affects the plot a lot more than poor Amuro.
Also, his ideal of "lmao just wait" is retarded and will kill humanity in the long run.

>>15863955

As opposed to "let's force everyone out in to space with no plan to support them or push beyond the cradle", which will kill humanity even faster. Affecting the plot isn't a sign of maturity or wisdom, nor is failure to affect it a sign of naivety.

>>15864007
At least Char tried to do something about it, Amuro just keep being used as a puppet and didn't try to achieve something other than being a pilot, if Amuro really believed that humanity should be in space, why didn't he try do something about it?
He just sit in the cockpit hoping that humanity will learn, that's not "mature", it's just a sign of naivety.

>>15864015

Amuro did try and so something about in Zeta, through Karaba and with Char's help. Hence Dakar, and their shared celebration. He was just willing to take a slow path and saw it as more effective than trying to quickly force matters. Doing something doesn't count for anything if what you're doing is counter productive.

>>15864020
And then?
He just keep being used by the rich old people (OY VEY)

>>15864023

He kept working for rich old white people, but he worked for them because their goals aligned with his. His goal being to stop Char, and theirs being to maintain stability, for which they gave him the means to stop Char via mobile suits, ships and so on.

It's also not like Char wasn't (a) a rich white fuck himself, and (b) working with other rich old white fucks, both in Neo Zeon and AE. He had nominal control of the ones in Neo Zeon, but they were the ones supplying him money by the looks of things, while that money was buying AE's support. AE may also have been supplying him because his goal of moving people to space aligned with theirs, if them funding and supporting AEUG is any indication. So Char was really no different, he just worked for a different bunch of rich old white fucks.

>>15862376
>>15862597
I always found weird how Amuro´s chin got weaker over the years.

>>15864044
>implying that Char wasn't planning to backstab them in the end

>>15864046
stopped mewing

>>15864051

> implying that negates that he was working with or for them as long as it met his needs, just like Amuro was working with or for the Federation as long as they met his goals and stopped in Zeta when they didn't

>>15863918
Maybe during 0079 because he was only like 15 years old at the time. In Zeta we see that he's matured much more since OYW and more so in CCA.

>>15862376
Is there a Virgin Zeek vs. Chad Feddie edit?

>>15862871
>What Char percieved as clashing with his "nemesis", for Amuro was putting down a rabid dog.
based

>>15863298
Char wanted to kill Amuro.
Amuro wanted to stop Char, at any cost.

One is noble the other is a zeek

>>15862854
>Char did nothing wrong anon.
Charfags would have you believe Axis managed to fall on the Earth.
No, Char was incompetent and a failure.

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>>15862280
Char
RX-78-2
Hyaku Shiki
Nu Gundam

Amuro
Zaku II
Dijeh
Sazabi

>>15864694
To be fair, had the psycoframe not had magical powers nobody knew existed, Char would have succeeded.

>>15864725
>To be fair
>>>/co/
Explains some of the derangement, actually.

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>>15864688
>>15864694
>>15864725
I wish CCA never happened. Even though it gave us mature Amuro and Nu Gundam/Sazabi, I felt their height was in Zeta when they teamed up and even traded suits (Char got the Gundam like thing Hyaku Shiki and Amuro got the Zaku looking Dijeh). That was the highest awesome feeling, then Char had to have troubling times when Amuro just stayed on Earth chillin. I get why Char went homicidal and Amuro is just mellow, but they should have wrote it better.

>>15864738
I'm not even the person you quoted before.
You can't say someone is incompetent when the only that that stopped their plan was something that couldn't be foreseen and nobody knew existed.

>>15864887
He leaked his massive tactical advantage.
He was certainly a half-wit.

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>>15862280
Amuro
Zaku II
Sazabi

Sazabi is still my favorite suit in the franchise.

>>15863298
pretty sure it was translated as ""I'm prepared to give my life to end this" as in he is preparing to die to stop Char's crazy plan

>>15863635
He's great. switch him to any gundam MC, and I can guarantee you the show will be much better than before.

>>15864887
>Char couldn't foresee himself giving up the blueprints to the enemy

Think about what you're saying here.

>>15864015
>He just sit in the cockpit hoping that humanity will learn, that's not "mature", it's just a sign of naivety.
Nope that is the sign of maturity. Amuro knew humanity can't be forced to change their view, and he is willing to let humanity learn by itself only by then humanity could understand the true consequences of never ending war. That is solid maturity there. You don't force your 1 month baby calculus or forcing him to swim, you took it easy and handheld them along the way and by the time you know he is ready then you finally let your child roam free. Force your kid to do something he will resent you for life.

>>15865348
Amuro having psycoframe didn't stop Char. The axis shock did, which is something nobody knew could happen until it did.

>>15865375
He got his ass thoroughly kicked before Axis Shock. You'll remember that when Amuro went over to check it out he was carrying Char in an escape pod.

>>15865375

Psyco-frame's superficial advantage is to make piloting easier, quicker and more intuitive for newtypes and to increase their compatibility with newtype weapons. Amuro beat Char in a straight up fight even when Char began using funnels. If Char hadn't given Amuro the psyco-frame he may have been able to beat Amuro in that duel. And no, the fight in the beginning with Amuro in the Re-GZ doesn't prove anything, because Char was very pointedly not using the Sazabi's funnels or fighting at full potential because of it. Even in the finale Char regrets giving Amuro the psyco-frame not be a of the Axis Shock, which hadn't happened yet, but because Amuro beat him.

>>15865378
>>15865381
That's not the point.
Amuro beats Char in the fight, Bright blows Axis in two, Amuro destroys the nukes in the cruiser before it can enter the atmosphere.
None of this stopped Axis from entering the atmosphere, which was the main event of Char's plan.
Char laughs at Amuro while he's being held in his cockpit because he thought he won since Axis was past the point of no return.

>>15865375
Amuro wouldn't even have the psycoframe technology if Char hadn't given it to him to begin with. That was totally within his power, but Char failed miserably to even amount to that much.

>>15865375
>Amuro having psycoframe didn't stop Char. The axis shock did

Holy shit, you goddamn apologist... Amuro fucking BODIED Char before Axis Shock even started happening.

>>15865402

That is exactly the point. Char gave Amuro the means to beat him on two fronts. Char only considered one, but he still gave him the means for both regardless. "I didn't know" is not going to stop people blaming him, as thus very thread attests.

>>15862280
Amuro
RX-78-3
Hi-Nu

fuck that oedipus complex pedo and his shitty taste

>>15865463
>>15865455
>>15865457
The original point was that without the axis shock Char's plan would have succeeded. Axis shock was something completely unforeseeable.

Imagine cca, but in an alternate world where axis shocks don't exist, everything else goes exactly the same.
What's the difference?
Amuro, Char, and a bunch of pilots die during reentry as half of axis crashes into Earth.

I'm not arguing that Char made the best decisions. I'm not talking about Char's pilot skill. I'm not saying Char didn't end up sabotaging his own plan.
I'm saying that despite Londo Bell's efforts, Char's plan was not stopped. It took something outside Amuro's control, outside anyone's control or understanding, to stop axis.

>>15866035
It's like you completely ignore that Axis Shock wouldn't have happened in the first place if Char didn't give Amuro the psycoframe.

Char's a moron. Even if you disregard that he ultimately failed, his plan was not only stupid, but poorly executed because of the choices he made. "Unforeseeable circumstances" have nothing to do with leaking his tactical advantage to the enemy.

>>15866097
To think of it, this was the best plan available. Because Neo Zeon is relatively small and there are not so many experienced soldiers, they had no chance at open warfare.
So, going all in was the best option.

>>15866097
>It's like you completely ignore that Axis Shock wouldn't have happened in the first place if Char didn't give Amuro the psycoframe.
>I'm not saying Char didn't end up sabotaging his own plan.
read better
Even then, the psycoframe did jack all to stop axis on its own. It was a necessary component to the axis shock but is not the only component.
Shit, if Amuro didn't happen to grab Char's cockpit and carry it with him it probably would never have happened. By your logic Char was retarded for putting psycoframe in his own mobile suit because it ultimately led to the stopping of axis.

>his plan was not only stupid, but poorly executed because of the choices he made.
>poorly executed
>axis enters atmosphere and is only stopped at the last minute by something tantamount to an act of god
Stop letting your hate boner do the thinking.

>>15862280
Amuro
Zaku II
Nu-Gundam

>>15862351
Both

>>15863002
>I wish I was you
>In the end, all Kai wanted was a family
I cry everytime ;_;

>>15866035

The counterpoint was that Char handed Amuro the means to stop his plan from succeeding. He gave it to him for a different, if associated reason, but he still gave it to him and that counts as a "wrong". Even if we discount the Axis Shock association, Char still gave Amuro the means with which to beat him physically, just no longer strategically. It isn't even about whether Char won or not, it's about the statement "Char did nothing wrong", because by giving his opponent the equipment to beat him out of either a misplaced sense of chivalry or arrogance (whichever you prefer to view it as), Char did something most people would view as a mistake.

>>15866477
>It isn't even about whether Char won or not, it's about the statement "Char did nothing wrong"
Then we are arguing about two very different things

>>15866213
>By your logic Char was retarded for putting psycoframe in his own mobile suit because it ultimately led to the stopping of axis.

Not what I'm saying at all, Mr Strawman.

For the record, what I'm saying is that if Char never leaked the technology to Amuro, Amuro would have never beaten Char and Axis Shock would never have happened and Char's plan would have succeeded. I have no idea how you construed that to mean that Char shouldn't have had the psycoframe for himself.

Giving away your tactical advantage to the enemy is not an act of God in anyway. Char is just an idiot.

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>>15866464
>He could have had a qt Irish waifu and little brothers and sisters to look after

>>15867740
You're fixated on the psycoframe's influence on the fight, but the fight really didn't matter. I haven't been talking about the effect it had on their fight, but rather psycoframe magic saving the day.

If the psycoframe let Amuro shit on Char in like 5 seconds giving him enough time to enter Axis and alter it's trajectory before reentry, then you would have a point.
That would be Char's actions straight up shooting himself in the foot.
How the events actually occurred is more like the bullet stopped in front of the target, flew off in a random direction, and then ricocheted back into his face.

Char
RX-78
Sazabi, but it's close. Also Hi-Nu > Nightingale.

>>15864044
rich old (((white))) people

>>15862280
Uso
Victory
Victory 2

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>>15864744
Hm, if only there was a nearly 50 episode show in between Zeta and CCA that could have had this development in it, but didn't...

Anime Janai!;-)

>>15867811
1) Amuro destroyed the cruisers carrying the nukes which were vital to Char's plan despite Char's efforts to chase him down.
2) While Char was distracted with Amuro, the Londo Bell team destroyed the rest of the nukes splitting Axis in half.
3) In the head-on duel, the v Gundam demolished the Sazabi within seconds.

...All this occurs before Axis Shock even starts to happen. At this point, not only was Char defeated in battle, but without the nuclear stockpile, his plan of causing a nuclear winter on the Earth is nullified. For some reason Char still considered it a victory, but the reality is that he just shifted his goals to a lesser degree of success -- which is of course in keeping with his delusional character.

Had Char not leaked the psycoframe technology, he probably would've easily neutralized Amuro and would've kept his focus on the defense of Axis specifically keeping the Ra Caillum's ground team from detonating the nukes that he needed in order for his plan to succeed. In keeping with your retarded analogy, Char basically gave Amuro the bullet to shoot him with.

>>15870034

Are you saying Char isn't white?

>>15870131
Char is, however (((they))) are not.

>>15864704
It's interesting how during MSZG Amuro pilots something that looks like a Gelgoog while Char is piloting something that looks like a Gundam.

>>15873433

Why do you keep typing (((they))) like that? Also, they are white. Or are you going to try and argue that they're Jewish, and Jews aren't white? Besides, if they aren't white, then neither are the Federation heads. Because they're Jews too, if all we're going off is "rich, greedy, white? They must be jews".

How come no one tried to clone Amuro like they did Char

>>15870119
ZZ was Char's hard times part.

>>15873466
zeeks have no reason to do it for their most legendary enemy
federation have no desire to
jovians tried it and it sorta backfired

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>>15873455
It's what I said here >>15864744
I thought it was the coolest thing of Zeta, that 2 rivals swap machines and work together. It's as if He-Man worked with Skeletor and he learned to do spells while skeletor gets some powers of the Grey Skull.

>>15873466
>How come no one tried to clone Amuro
Jovian did attempt to use Amuro combat data inside some bio-brain which to be use in their highly advance MS, the Amakusa.
Like this anon>>15873474 said it sorta backfired when the bio brain wipe out everything in its path, trashing Older Judau and Tobia within minutes and proceed to demolishing the Jovian facility. In the end the bio brain help Judau and Tobia escape