What the fuck was her problem. Also why did she eat that butterfly
>>15855258
writers can't decide what the fuck they want
Character ended up as a nobody, doesn't get one shotted like the average grunt, doesn't do a whole lot either.
>>15855271
She became Gaelio's waifu at the end.
>>15855271
>no flashback shit
I'm surprised honestly, you still barely know shit and she had no focus compared to a guy seen as a dumbass villain, some guy seen as a schemer with good publicity and some guy who had a season to outline who he was.
>>15855258
You tell me, I was too busy focusing on dainsleifs, gay shit or Earth sphere man ruins everything.
>>15855258
autism
>>15855283
Already deconfirmed by the director
>>15855258
My theory she was going to be an animalistic weirdo like Mika, but they changed their minds.
>>15855258
where are all the lewds of her?
>>15855386
Buried under tons of yaoi
>>15855377
Unfortunately. Mika x Julieta is the best pairing in the show.
>>15855258
I think they wanted to set her up as a counterpart to Mikazuki, with her being Rustal's loyal soldier. She just wants to be useful to him, but unlike Mikazuki she has limits. While Mika is willing to sacrifice everything for Orga, from his (supposed) "honorable" trait to the use of his limbs to his dream, Julietta in the end isn't. She wasn't willing to undergo AV treatment in spite of how powerful it could have made her, instead opting to remain "human" as she put it.
Then she came to understand Mikazuki and Tekkadan during the final battle. She understands why Tekkadan did the things they did and that they weren't the devils Gjallarhorn made them out to be, they just wanted to live like normal people. Her arc is what would pass for a lot of modern Gundam protagonists, and in some respects what Mika could have had. In the end, despite not piloting a Gundam the people view her as the hero while Mika is the monster.
>>15855922
Wtf? I LOVE IBO NOW
>>15855258
She's the Okada self-insert character
>>15855366
Hasn't he already been contradicted by Okada and some post show material? Besides, who gives a shit what that pathetic edgelord says?
>>15855983
You're right who cares
I still love monkey, don't care that she got some randos killed.
>>15855386
That's an important question.
>>15855258
She was really underwritten for a character that was poised to be pretty important.
>>15855922
What the FUCK is with fans of this show pulling nonexistant character development out of their ass?
She had zero character, and only ever talked about serving Rustal-sama because everyone on the shows team were hacks. End of fucking story.
>>15855258
got scapegoated by a lot of people as what's wrong with the series (at least the finale).
you'd be mad too.
>>15856651
>poised to be pretty important.
Let's not shit ourselves. We were all expecting her to be a throwaway mid-boss like most loyal underling waifus.
In any other setting, she would wind up in a mobile armor only to get killed and nothing of value would have been lost.
>>15855366
Even if Tomino himself came to me and said Amuro survived CCA i'd tell him to fuck off
>>15857557
Banrise's emergency button will stay dormant for a while
Would it be safe to say that Tekkadan mothballed the Gusion Rebake's rear skirt shield when they overhauled it into the Full City with the scissor rear skirt?
>>15857697
The Turbines probably kept it or something.
Weren't they the ones who upgraded the barbatos and gusion after Ein's bitchfit?
>>15855922
Rustal didn't want her to undergo the av treatment.
>>15855922
>She wasn't willing to undergo AV treatment in spite of how powerful it could have made her, instead opting to remain "human" as she put it.
That's racist.
>she came to understand Mikazuki and Tekkadan during the final battle. She understands why Tekkadan did the things they did and that they weren't the devils Gjallarhorn made them out to be
>declares them the devils because they can't be killed and make deals with "demon" gundams
>they all die
>Oh I guess they weren't demons after all!
Lmao, it's a literal witch hunt.
>>15855922
Your essay is just wishful thinking. The reality is that Monkey-girl ended up being less a character than Aida in G-Reco. And it's fucking hard to pull that off. Let's talk about what IBO is (pure shit) and not what we wish it had been (a decent Gundam story with coeherent characters).
>>15858343
>The reality is that Monkey-girl ended up being less a character than Aida in G-Reco. And it's fucking hard to pull that off.
>>15857515
>>15858343
But it's Gundam! Gundam is supposed to be good!
BWHOAHOAHABABUHWFAGHL!
>>15855377
This.
I definitely think they were going to try and pull a "we aren't so different you and I" character dynamic between them.
But they probably changed things on the fly as evident with S2's quality
>>15858343
>>15859659
Weak bait.
>>15858343
It's not their fault you're too dumb to see the obvious. I mean, they almost outright spelled it out for the audience, and you still failed to see it.
One of the reasons I love this ship is because Nagai literally got told off by Sunrise via it.
>>15855922
Normal people don't rule planets.
For being a flat chested lesbian she sure loves the D
>>15863701
She's just androgynous as fuck.
Which seems like a good fit for Gali's metrosexual crippled ass.
>>15863701
>>15863837
>>15863837
Long hair made her look a bit more feminine.
It'd also help to lose the resting bitch face.
>>15864010
Speaking of feminine, does everyone recognize this beautiful young lady?
>>15864014
Yamagay isn't a lady, he's a space rat born and raised in a gutter.
>>15864014
Aren't he and CHAD CHADAN friends with benefits now? Thought Ep 50 said they would go out and get black out wasted which made Chad blush.
>>15863837
God I wish Yamagi was my boyfriend
>you'll never comfort him after Shino dies
Honestly I would die to save Shino if it protected Yamagi's smile.
How the fuck did Lafter and Anzee survive getting their shit fucked by Ein?
No amount of mommy kisses and bandaid's is gonna fix getting mashed up by a mech drill
>>15864382
Same way Gali-Gali survived getting poked in the chest by McGilli, it was merely a flesh wound.
Nobody actually dies until later on in the show.
>>15864399
>Nobody actually dies until later on in the show.
Except Carta...
>>15864434
DELETE THIS
>>15863679
>doesn't rule at least 1 planet
>human
Laughs!
>>15864063
No you slut. Yamagi stayed pure his whole life, thinking of Shino.
>>15864434
>>15864437
It's a shame, I stopped watching IBO after Ep 8, but she would have brought me back into it, except she died
>>15864611
GOD I WANT TO PROTECT HIS SMILE
>>15864632
You're a good man anon. I wish I could go back in time and murder Nagai before he got to make the second season.
>>15864615
I bought her Graze Ritter.
It's all I have as a memento of her.
>>15864655
I want a second season where Shino lands his shot and doesn't die, killing that son of a bitch Rustal Elion and leading to a Good End.
when does gundam ever have a good end?
>>15864807
IBO
>>15864828
nah
>>15864807
I'll re:create this twisted story.
>>15855258
Iron Menstruation, obviously.
So did he live or what?
Gundam's head was definitely chopped off but they never actually showed the cockpit getting destroyed.
Are there any plans for a third season?
>>15865567
even if he lived he'd probably be some half android dog for Rustal Elion.
>>15865579
Maybe they will rescue him in S3 or in an OVA Xcom2 style. They barely touched on the proxy Alaya-Vijnana which I kind of expected everyone to be packing by the end of the series.
>Rustal will never have his comeuppance
>>15864807
Somewhat depends on how you define "good", but G, Wing, X, Turn-A, 00, AGE and G-Reco would probably qualify under most definitions at the least.
>>15855258
I thought she was going to be the Sayla to McGillis' Char.
>>15860098
How?
>>15865567
He technically died during the fight. AV keeps you "alive" longer just to squeeze out some extra fight.
>>15865699
Nagai went on a few rants after the show aired just to make sure nobody was left feeling positive about anything concerning the ending. Stuff like: Tekkadan remnants are still being hunted and Kudelia won't last as president of Mars.
One of his talking points was that Gaelio and Julietta weren't romantically linked.
A sentiment which got openly contradicted by Sunrise's release of supplementary materials later, which say otherwise.
So whoever is dictating the canon of IBO now, it ain't Nagai, which we can all agree, is basically a good thing.
>>15860098
Can you give me some context? I know nothing about the inner politics behind the show. Who is nagai and what does he do and why did things become the way they are?
>>15864014
I dislike the new hairstyle, emo yamagi was such a qt.
>>15865786
Nagai is the reason we can't have nice things, fuck him.
>>15865786
I liked how he's recently "apologized" and said he promises to make a IBO movie where tekkadan has a happy ending (in the movie) if fans forgive him and give him another chance. He's pathetic.
>>15865790
Tatsuyuki Nagai is the director of IBO. He doesn't exactly have a sterling reputation around here, being considered a sloppy guy who thinks edginess equals maturity.
There's been several interviews with him and Mari Okada (head-writer and somewhat infamous herself), which hint at Nagai changing several key aspects of the story on a whim during production. One of which was apparently the dark ending, because sometime during production he came to dislike Tekkadan and thought they needed to be punished.
It seems like Okada had some very different plans for the show and she had to fight to keep some of the positive aspects of the story alive. Apparently Gaelio becoming such an important character and being happy by the end is her doing.
My guess is that Nagai wanted to piss on her parade one last time.
>>15865822
What a mess, honestly I kind of regret watching season 2. Season 1 end was already good enough and had a valid reason for the gang to retire or at least go legit.
>>15865829
Nah S2 has obvious problems but it's how it should have ended. Not everything is roses.
>>15865829
I can somewhat understand his sentiment that Tekkadan did a lot of things to answer for. But what I don't get is that it was his meddling that made them that way in the first place.
I mean if you were planning a story with anti-heroes and a tragic ending to begin with, fair enough. But don't change your mind halfway through do to factors you yourself brought about.
I'd really like to read Okada's outline of the entire plot. In her version Shino and Lafter actually died in season 1 during the Ein-Bot rampage.
>>15865840
Atla should have died early in S1 so Mika could have given Cordelia a nice rough pounding for the rest of the show.
>>15865849
He might have needed some help with that, later on.
>>15865857
I bet hiscockpitsmelled like girl cum close to the end. Mika was definitely the quiet type who just took the pussy, I bet he had a piece of Fumitan too.
>>15865840
Shino and Lafter surviving is the least of the show's writing problems. The problem is that Nagai and Okada's visions NEVER met halfway. He wanted evil space rats doing evil things, she wrote a relatively sympathetic bunch of misfits trying to survive in a fucked up world. He wanted them to pave way to their destruction, she wrote them being basically persecuted by their entire surroundings and and "unfortunate string of events" that leadt to most of their deaths. He wanted a kill them all, she forced a pseudo happy end into circumstances that were simply not happy and it ended up as a mean spirited derision. But the worst part of it is that neither of them have ever noticed they made the people who Tekkadan was opposing SO MUCH WORSE than them, and how fucked up was Nagai's moral evaluation of Tekkdan in the light of what kind of adversaries for them he created. As for Okada, she knew full well it's fucked up yet she still pushed for a happy end for people in GH who didn't deserve one. Probably because she just has no standards.
The only good thing about the show was Iok getting pliered by Akihiko.
Jesus what a fucking cunt.
>>15860098
Sunrise has said nothing about it and they probably never will considering how very little people gives a shit about it
>>15865786
>A sentiment which got openly contradicted by Sunrise's release of supplementary materials later, which say otherwise.
Wrong again dumbass
>>15865894
Their biggest failure by a mile was their inability to convey what they were trying to get through to the audience, so badly that people got a 180 of most of their intent.
>>15865908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZdtQm1S1OM
IOK-SAMA
>>15865894
>People still defending Okada
>>15865909
>Wrong again dumbass
Japs reported there was some endorsement for them as a couple in the "Completion" guide book. Haven't looked into it beyond that though.
>>15865917
>People still complaining about everything
>>15865917
I wasn't.
>>15865915
I wish I got jerked off even a quarter as hard as Iok did.
>>15865836
>Not everything is roses.
Unless you're Okada's self insert that is.
>>15865793
It's meant to be a symbolic hairstyle change. Probably got something to do with Shino brushing back his bangs.
The only thing remotely good about IBO were the suits
prove me wrong
>>15866025
I liked murder
>>15866025
OP was good.
>>15866025
>The only thing remotely good about IBO were the suits
Fuck Kimaris Vidar
>>15866039
Finnicky as hell to pose but it's grown on me.
>>15866028
>>15866039
Vidar was sexy was KV had better weapon output. I was okay with it.
>>15866029
Found Anime Suki
>>15865894
Eh, that's very japanese. At least Rustal had some good qualities about him.
In a couple of weeks Shingeki no Bahamut: Virgin Soul will end and this genocidal shit will either survive and have a happy ending or get a heroic sacrifice sort of death, where all the atrocities he committed are conveniently forgotten.
These nips have a weird set of values.
>>15866169
>Rustal had some good qualities about him.
He had none whatsoever.
IBO's ending would have been better if McGillis made it to Rustal and shot him in the head before Gaelio finished him off, Y/N
>>15866195
Yeah sure.
I would've liked to see Juliette go balls to the walls crazy
>>15866193
Japanese culture seems based around preserving the status quo, so they would view Rustal as a more sympathetic character.
That being said, I agree 100% with you.
The writers tried to push for grey morality with Gjallhorn but made them completely evil while demonizing Tekkedan who were closer to grey morality.
>>15866205
>Japanese culture seems based around preserving the status quo, so they would view Rustal as a more sympathetic character.
Even Japs hated Rustal
>>15866193
Rustal was pragmatic, smart and honest to his subordinates, making him a counterpoint to McGillis.
But the most important part was that the show never tried to redeem him in the eyes of the viewer or make him look like less of a dick than he was.
Nothing annoys me more than: "This guy murdered millions, but look he petted a puppy. He's not that bad."
And that's what makes Rustal better than Charioce. At least the show allows you to form your own opinion of Rustal instead of clumsily trying to manipulate you in the way Virgin Soul does.
God, that fucking show.
>>15866221
>Rustalfags
>>15866234
I'm not a Rustalfag.
I just respect the writing on him.
Why do you have to compartmentalize everything?
Not enough space in your pea brain?
>>15866221
>pragmatic
>starts a war just to make somebody looks bad
>makes elaborate false flag plans with the use of banned weapons instead of taking advantage of his overwhelming resources
>sends troops to Mars and loses his men instead of starting out with orbital bombardment
>hunts down Tekkadan and swears to kill them off just for publicity and loses resources in the process
>changes his mind and gives up halfway
>smart
>his victory hinges enitrely on plot armour, Iok's retardation, luck of having Gaelio snitch and cosmic luck of surviving Shino's shot
>honest to his subordinates
>treats them as fodder in his false flag operations
>zero regards for his men
>counterpoint to McGillis.
McGillis was the series punching bag so this is not great achievement.
>"This guy murdered millions, but look he petted a puppy. He's not that bad."
You mean when Rustal declared Human Debris illegal and supposedly stabilized Mars he wasn't being pardoned?
>At least the show allows you to form your own opinion of Rustal instead of clumsily trying to manipulate you in the way Virgin Soul does.
IBO force feeds you with Rustal apologetic propaganda so hard it's a wonder you didn't suffocate anon.
>>15866250
>IBO force feeds you with Rustal apologetic propaganda so hard it's a wonder you didn't suffocate anon.
So you're just gonna live in your own alternate reality? Good. I'll be staying here in the real world, where the epilogue took a sober tone, neither praising nor condemning his actions, like most of the show does.
>>15866262
>I'll be staying here in the real world,
And make sure to lay off the vapor.
I liked Rustal sama because he noticed McGillis's bruises on his neck/back and understood he was Iznarios sex slave. Then leaked it to all of Gjallarhorn as well as news outlets when the coup happened making McGillis in the eyes of most nothing but a man whore faggot.
He was a great man.
>>15866246
You are fucking delusional man. Okada and Nagai went on a record to say they rewrote the last five episodes specifically to show Rustal in a better light. The utterly bogus epilogue alone where he does a 180 and suddenly is a historical reformator should show you how much much they tried to cover up for how much of a complete monster he'd been up to that point. By the way in some interviews they also say shit like "Oh, Rustal might have played the role of a "rotten adult" so good it upset the main character's fans."
>>15866262
Any human being with a basic internal moral compass knows Rustal was worthy of condemnation.
>>15866169
Charioce is a monster but at least the series shows him actively improving the lives of his people. There is at least some kind of basis for an argument. What the fuck did Rustal even do for the betterment of the people whose lives were entrusted to him? Fucking nothing. He was just an autocrat who didn't care beyond keeping his office and power.
>>15866346
Well if the end of IBO is to be believed he made extensive improvements and overhauled the corrupt system he was a part of. Granted he did it for selfish reasons, but that's not so different from Charioce.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Charioce singularly focused on his mysterious endgoal? He gives "Humanity Fuck Yeah!" speeches, but the improvements he made just seem to be stepping stones towards that.
Plus I'd argue that enslaving and slowly killing off a race is a bit higher up on the dickery chain than anything Rustal did.
Even with purer intentions Charioce is a bigger peace of shit in my opinion. But the show only cares about the fact that he's a dreamboat that makes Nina's heart go doki-doki.
I imagine I'd hate Rustal a lot more if he was some hunky youth, that Kudelia fell in love with and the show tried to justify his terrible actions in this lackluster way.
>>15866432
*piece
>>15866432
>Well if the end of IBO is to be believed he made extensive improvements and overhauled the corrupt system he was a part of.
I mean through the course of the show, not in a tacked on epilogue after everything is already said and done and nothing of the sort was ever as much as hinted at before for the character, in a desperate attempt to make people feel a little bit better about the unapologetic heinous villain winning.
I just enjoyed Rustal for the Dainsleifs.
The villains of the show were honestly weak, only ones I really remembered was the Mobile Armor Bird, Ein and Iok, and the last two less for being good and more for the comical nature of them fucking existing in the plot.
>>15866039
Its fine with a different color scheme.
Metal gear Ray was the best villian
>>15866250
>starts a war just to make somebody looks bad
It worked
>makes elaborate false flag plans with the use of banned weapons instead of taking advantage of his overwhelming resources
It ended the battle quickly saving resources.
>sends troops to Mars and loses his men instead of starting out with orbital bombardment
Its Gundam there needs to be a fight scene.
>hunts down Tekkadan and swears to kill them off just for publicity and loses resources in the process
Gjallarhorn's biggest issue at the time was a publicity issue.
>changes his mind and gives up halfway
Why would he care, it was about publicity?
>his victory hinges enitrely on plot armour, Iok's retardation, luck of having Gaelio snitch and cosmic luck of surviving Shino's shot
Shino's shot required cosmic retardation. Iok's retardation was never useful.
>You mean when Rustal declared Human Debris illegal and supposedly stabilized Mars he wasn't being pardoned?
No, the whole point of his character was he was a complete dick, but his goal was always maintaining order.
>IBO force feeds you with Rustal apologetic propaganda so hard it's a wonder you didn't suffocate anon.
The character calls himself out on his actions.
>>15866559
>It worked
It didn't. Nothing substantial ever came out of it against McGillis.
>It ended the battle quickly saving resources.
IRL a general would think twice before using a banned WMD to "spare time" becuase the legal shit he'd be getting himself into simply wouldn't be worth it. We can only assume Rustal has some kind of plot-induced impunity? And hey, if Rustal can take shortcuts to victory then why is this show trying to portray Tekkadan taking the shortest route as something bad? Could it be because it's a hypocritical pile of trash?
>Its Gundam there needs to be a fight scene.
Not an argument. Then use the fight scene as a means to end it all, not undermine the competence of the fag you're trying to sell as someone "pragmatic".
>Gjallarhorn's biggest issue at the time was a publicity issue.
And he flunked it because he gave up halfway at what he set out to accomplish. it makes him look less like someone who's determined and pragmatic and more like a fickle halfassing hack.
>Why would he care, it was about publicity?
You know what's bad for publicity? Using illegal WMDs and not bothering to cover it up properly. Plot induced impunity again?
>Shino's shot required cosmic retardation.
Huh interesting, then why did it necessitated a cosmic asspull to stop it? There are better ways to show something is impossible than ridiculous asspulls.
>Iok's retardation was never useful.
Except of Tekkadan becoming isolated and losing Teiwaz's support thanks to his collaboration with Jasley, which stemmed from retarded misdirected revenge.
>No, the whole point of his character was he was a complete dick, but his goal was always maintaining order.
His goal was to remain in the office and power first and preserve the shitty status quo second. Regurgitate the official slogan all you want, it doesn't make it any less bullshit, seeing how absolutely shit Gjallarhorn has been at "maintaining order" for 50 episodes of this show straight.
>>15866618
>It didn't. Nothing substantial ever came out of it against McGillis.
He lost credibility.
>IRL a general would think twice before using a banned WMD to "spare time" becuase the legal shit he'd be getting himself into simply wouldn't be worth it. We can only assume Rustal has some kind of plot-induced impunity?
No he had a plan for the "legal shit". It also wasn't a WMD.
>And hey, if Rustal can take shortcuts to victory then why is this show trying to portray Tekkadan taking the shortest route as something bad? Could it be because it's a hypocritical pile of trash?
No he had a plan.
>And he flunked it because he gave up halfway at what he set out to accomplish. it makes him look less like someone who's determined and pragmatic and more like a fickle halfassing hack.
Not according to the show.
>You know what's bad for publicity? Using illegal WMDs and not bothering to cover it up properly. Plot induced impunity again?
Apparently he did cover it up properly
>Huh interesting, then why did it necessitated a cosmic asspull to stop it? There are better ways to show something is impossible than ridiculous asspulls.
Drama
>Except of Tekkadan becoming isolated and losing Teiwaz's support thanks to his collaboration with Jasley, which stemmed from retarded misdirected revenge.
Relationship was already starting to become strained due to the relationship with McGillis. Also Teiwaz couldn't save their ass anyways.
>His goal was to remain in the office and power first and preserve the shitty status quo second. Regurgitate the official slogan all you want, it doesn't make it any less bullshit, seeing how absolutely shit Gjallarhorn has been at "maintaining order" for 50 episodes of this show straight.
It wasn't about the status quo. He reformed Gjallarhorn.
Lets get back to the original point here which is Monkey being cute.
>>15866632
>He lost credibility.
Show how.
>No he had a plan for the "legal shit".
What plan? "They did it first"? This is not a excuse, that's just yet another instance where the show reveals how incompetently it's being written. This false flag was retarded in on itself, because no military court would ever accept "they shot with it first" as justification.
>It also wasn't a WMD.
In original draft it made an impact of a small atomic bomb killing everyone at the base, it very much is a WMD.
>No he had a plan.
No, he had plot armour.
>Apparently he did cover it up properly
Apparently the plot armour is still a thing.
>Drama
Not an argument. Doesn't make it any less of an asspull and Rustal surviving by pure luck.
>Relationship was already starting to become strained due to the relationship with McGillis.
And it's bullshit. They wouldn't have been expelled if they didn't go after Jasley, and Jasley had no real reason to target them other than needing a scapegoat. Old man was also making deals with GH himself, so punishing Tekkadan for doing the same is bs. Same as expelling Tekk for executing Jasley, since he was planning on doing it himself anyway.
>It wasn't about the status quo. He reformed Gjallarhorn.
Hurray for bullshit writing in the name of washing GH clean.
>>15858343
I think you've confused one red-headed girl in G-Reco for another there. Aida was the one with actual character. The redheaded cheerleader who's only role in the first half of the show was being that retarded brown waifu's carer is the one who literally had no reason to exist and I actually cannot remember what the fuck her name was.
AND I WAS WATCHING G-RECO LESS THAN AN HOUR AGO.
I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING RETARDED LIKE NUMERO NUD OR SOMETHING.
I'm still sad that the crazy chick that made the man/mech hybrids was so underutilized.
She seemed fun.
>>15866769
>Show how.
The discussion afterwards.
>What plan? "They did it first"? This is not a excuse, that's just yet another instance where the show reveals how incompetently it's being written. This false flag was retarded in on itself, because no military court would ever accept "they shot with it first" as justification.
thats the shows fault in showing details.
>In original draft it made an impact of a small atomic bomb killing everyone at the base, it very much is a WMD.
Thats the original draft
>No, he had plot armour.
He had a plan which would work because its gundam and most of the shit going on is retarded to start out with.
>Apparently the plot armour is still a thing.
The whole story revolved around plot armor. Something being stupid happening doesn't remove it from the story.
>Not an argument. Doesn't make it any less of an asspull and Rustal surviving by pure luck.
Having a single ship able to advance alone and take a salvo of what you tried to push as WMDs, be ignored by 40 warships, and then launch an unscathed ms is more of an asspull.
>And it's bullshit. They wouldn't have been expelled if they didn't go after Jasley, and Jasley had no real reason to target them other than needing a scapegoat. Old man was also making deals with GH himself, so punishing Tekkadan for doing the same is bs. Same as expelling Tekk for executing Jasley, since he was planning on doing it himself anyway.
It started right after they destroyed the mobile armor and they were warned about their relationship with Gjallarhorn. The conflict happened because Jasley wanted to start a fight.
My only problem with Rustal winning is all of the people acting like he was some glorious, magnificent bastard who schemed his way to success. There's no way he should've survived the events of IBO, let alone with his career intact.
>>15866810
Everybody was retarded in IBO.
The setting was mildly retarded.
>>15866795
>The discussion afterwards.
Which amounted to literally nothing and was never brought up again. The whole war was implemented only for plot reasons of Tekkadan losing the Earth branch.
>thats the shows fault in showing details.
Point still stands. Rustal had objectively retarded strategies which worked because plot armour.
>He had a plan which would work because its gundam and most of the shit going on is retarded to start out with.
Not an argument. But if you admit that it's all intentionally stupid then you automatically lose the argument of Rustal ever doing anything "smart" by our standards. If you think that's enough to be arguing for his competence it means you wilfully concede to the show's retardation.
>The whole story revolved around plot armor. Something being stupid happening doesn't remove it from the story.
Another non-argument regarding Rustal ever doing anything smart or tactically sound. You're basically conceding to my points at this point.
>Having a single ship able to advance alone and take a salvo of what you tried to push as WMDs, be ignored by 40 warships, and then launch an unscathed ms is more of an asspull.
They could achieve their position because Rustal was arrogant and let his guard down. An "asspull" also doesn't negate another asspull.
>what you tried to push as WMDs
They work as WMD when used from the orbit thanks to their velocity on the impact.
>The conflict happened because Jasley wanted to start a fight.
Thanks for making my point. Tekkadan did not provoke this, Jasley wanted to take over the old man anyway and Tekkadan was a mere scapegoat in the process, with the help of Iok. All of it narratively in Rustal's favor. The entire show was designed to be in Rustal's favor, he literally could not lose this, the one time he put himself out there and almost died was because of his arrogance.
>>15866810
How would he NOT survive the events with his career intact? After everything that went down, all of the remaining Seven Stars would quietly go "Oh thank you Rustal, THANK YOU. We almost got taken over by a madman."
Even those who were going to side with McGillis - now that McGillis is dead - would shut the fuck up. Rustal has, in one fell swoop, established absolute power. He even has the heroes of the day (Gaelio and Monkey) on his side. Gaelio might not like it, but it's too late for Gaelio to establish any change. More, Gaelio seems to have basically given up on reform for revenge.
Who's going to finger Rustal for war crimes? Hell, he probably blamed Iok.
>>15865908
That felt unearned, though. It would have been more interesting if Iok killed him. Hell, it would've been hilarious if Iok turned out to be an incredible fighter!
Remember, Iok never really gets a chance to fight. More, Iok seems to have undergone a lot of character development by the end of the series. It would have been pretty great if he fucked up Akihiko, against all expectations.
>>15866788
do NOT bully the nug
>>15866907
>Hell, he probably blamed Iok.
"Iok forced my men to commit a war crime!"
I don't buy it.
>>15865822
>My guess is that Nagai wanted to piss on her parade one last time.
In Gaelio's case, I would've liked that.
>>15866933
He pulled off that false-flag first, though. He can always say "McGillis fired first. The gloves came off after that."
>>15866943
That isn't how war crimes work. Hell, look at the fallout from the events of S1. What Rustal did was way worse.
>>15866907
You make a great argument for why someone like McGillis and a rebellion was desperately needed. I wish he got to blow that entire lawless tyrannical state to bits and pieces.
>>15855258
Her getting to lord Barbatos' head in the air in a victory pose was pretty insulting to the viewer, in my opinion.
>>15866949
To be fair, McGillis wouldn't have been much better. Also, everyone who could ever enact change is dead, while Kudelia is basically Aung San Suu Kyi now.
>>15866851
>Point still stands. Rustal had objectively retarded strategies which worked because plot armour.
Being objectively retarded and still working describes the entire show. How its presented in the show is more important than your interpretation based on your ideas and logic.
>Not an argument. But if you admit that it's all intentionally stupid then you automatically lose the argument of Rustal ever doing anything "smart" by our standards. If you think that's enough to be arguing for his competence it means you wilfully concede to the show's retardation.
Never said the show was good, again what is important is what it intends to convey.
>They could achieve their position because Rustal was arrogant and let his guard down. An "asspull" also doesn't negate another asspull.
Rustal shot the fuck out of their ship with Deinsleifs which should of fucked them over just through their own inertia. Having a plan that got so far purely out of plot armor and then saying it was all plot armor on one side is extremely biased.
>Thanks for making my point. Tekkadan did not provoke this, Jasley wanted to take over the old man anyway and Tekkadan was a mere scapegoat in the process, with the help of Iok. All of it narratively in Rustal's favor. The entire show was designed to be in Rustal's favor, he literally could not lose this, the one time he put himself out there and almost died was because of his arrogance.
No you were saying it all happened thanks to Iok.
Its a show about a bunch of kids managing to take on a superpower with an ancient giant robot. It was not all in Rustal's favor.
>They work as WMD when used from the orbit thanks to their velocity on the impact.
Almost everything is potentially a wmd then.
You switch between saying everything was retarded proves you right and it was only retarded in Rustal's favor.
>>15866953
IBO did a lot of shit to insult the viewers. Imagine if you were a fan of the Flauros.
>>15866978
>How its presented in the show is more important than your interpretation based on your ideas and logic.
>The show is spelling out to me that the character is competent therefore I will believe it wholeheartedly and proceed to make unironic arguments for them being actually, realistically smart and competent when they're being written to win despite doing retarded shit
Nice job moron. If you can't defend Rustal with common sense and have to resort to arguments as ridiculous as "in this universe dumb = smart therefore this character is smart!" then maybe you should rethink your stategy because you make yourself look like an idiot.
>No you were saying it all happened thanks to Iok.
Jasley couldn't have killed Naze without Iok and his fleet. Iok was crucial and even ignited the entire chain of events by staring up the MA.
>>15866999
The character is presented as smart.
If the characters actions don't make sense but always work are they really stupid?
>Jasley couldn't have killed Naze without Iok and his fleet. Iok was crucial and even ignited the entire chain of events by staring up the MA.
Thats pure conjecture.
>>15855258
I hated her character, she should have gotten Alaya-Vijnana to try and beat mika cause it seemed like that were her arc was going but no they fucked it up. fuck ibo, what a fucking waste of time.
>>15866955
Even McGillis in all of his shitheadedness wasn't as unhinged as Rustal. The most depressing part of it is that any form of law in that universe is factually dead because there's virtually no way to execute it. People are pretty much defenceless against him, he's a corrupt tyrant. Just for that it'd be worth it to take him down. Then again, the same goes for like 90% characters on GH side. The only GH characters that weren't mustache-twirling assholes were McGillis' followers and Gaelio's father maybe.
>>15867065
Thats really no different from McGillis.
>>15867006
>Thats pure conjecture.
Inciting a war within Teiwaz would get HIM kicked out so of course he needed a middle man to cover his trails. He rilled Tekkadan up for exactly the same, which is something McMurdo knew about and what makes the Tekkadan exile more like a plot necessity than anything.
>If the characters actions don't make sense but always work are they really stupid?
It means the series fails at successfully making people suspend their disbelief. Unless of course you can't think for yourself.
>>15867074
>>15867065
Cull the entire Gjallarhorn is the only solution. Just fucking disband it, scatter it across the galaxy. They're a weird tumor existing out of ages old fears anyway.
>>15863701
They can stick a human being into a mobile suit and there are centuries old brains on the moon, but someone in Jullietta's position cant afford breast implants?
And why is Galileo in a wheelchair? Give him cybernetic limbs?
>>15865811
I'd accept it, at the least. Got any links?
>>15864437
>>15864434
gjallarhorn perfected foxgirl technology
>>15867446
>And why is Galileo in a wheelchair?
I think he is recovering after having his spine interface implant removed.
>>15866953
The scene was good, but it rings as hollow and cheap cause they failed to establish Monkey as Mika's foil.Maybe it would have been better if they had given her more screen time and some character development.
That's the main problem of IBO for me - there were too many characters and pointless plots in it, that left the story feeling rushed as hell.
>>15867641
Nagai said that the only thing allowing him to move his legs after McGillis nearly killed him, was the wireless connection to the Vidar. Similar to Mika when he was plugged into the Barbatos.
So he won't walk again, because the Kimaris Vidar stopped functioning in the battle with McGillis.
It's not a bad idea. However that makes no sense when you consider the visual cues of the scene.
Gaelio has fresh bandages on his neck and it's been several years, meaning he had surgery recently.
It makes no sense for him to wait years and years in that hospital to have the interface removed, when he couldn't use it anymore anyway.
So it's much more likely that Okada simply wrote this epilogue and then Nagai went and pulled the rest out of his ass. Like he usually does.
>>15866039
Some official sources say Kimaris Vidar is the OG Kimaris and the S1 look on him was for ceremonial purposes. Other sources say Gaelio got it refitted into KV in order for it to match his his "personal taste."
>>15867643
this
They only interacted like 3 times and he BTFO'd her on their second fight
>>15868424
A lot of the problems with IBO stem from Mika never having any real equal in combat. Even the people that are supposed to be threats (Einbot, McGillis) get undercut for story reasons.
So there's very little point in getting worried about him until rods from god happens.
They needed to make Julietta a bigshot pilot that could hang with Mika through sheer determination, even without whiskers, not some fragile rookie.
>>15867643
> Maybe it would have been better if they had given her more screen time and some character development.
That's pretty much IBO's issue in a nutshell. The show focuses on having the audience sympathize and understand Tekkadan, actively working to try and make us cheer for them. Most things in it's narrative are to their advantage, while the things that are ultimately meant to damn them are just given an off-hand remark or left as unsaid implications of their actions.
I could understand if this was what Nagai was trying to achieve. After all he did mention something about how the audience shouldn't think Tekkadan are wrong or misguided after season one. And some scenes early on become a lot darker upon rewatch.
But at the same time, he really shouldn't be surprised he has gotten the backlash he has. And this could have all been avoided if as time went on the narrative moved away from supporting Tekkadan. He could have shown that they were becoming part of the problem, as well as not make everyone they fight so very punchable. Instead the audience is just expected to turn on some of the most sympathetic people left in this universe because the ending says so.