Why are so many complaining about Macross Delta's CGs?

Maybe because this is an anime and not a video game

>>14082921
Lots of people just hate CG on principle.

Looks worse than Majestic Prince's and Fafners

>>14082921
>All the PS2 cellshaded games had thick black lines.

PS2 was also like 15 years ago.

>>14082942

MJP didn't really stand the normal animated dudes next to the CG mechs.

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Delta CG >>>>>>> Frontier CG

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Delta is so much better.

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Delta >>>> Frontier

The colors are mostly shit like in F series, the movies fixed it.

Who cares about CG when you have GIRI GIRI EYE

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video games can do this shit right
why can't anime?

>>14083229
They have bigger budgets and better artists. Still looks very 3D in motion.

>>14082921
CG only really works for rapid shots with a lot of movement, where it'd be a potato otherwise. Slow motions or close-ups really need to be 2D, or at least CG-guided 2D.

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>>14083229
Anime can do it just fine as long as it's a big budget movie made by the top tier studio.

>>14082921
That is nothing like cell shading dude. It has reflective metallic surfaces.

>>14082921
>>14083009
>>14083022
It stands out too much in comparison to the flat colour 2d characters
i dont have a problem with cg at all but here its just too jarring
Also that bloom effect has never looked good on anything

>>14083229
>>14083229
what game?

>>14083846
Super Reverse Image Search Turbo Championship Edition

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>>14083283
>top tier studio

>>14082921
First it's mostly this: >>14082932
Also "looks like a PS game" is very old trolling.

Honestly though, I think Macross models are actually decent, and detailed. But Satelight has major problems with texturing and lighting. It's like they only use Blinn shaders and no one at the studio knows what a Lambert is.

I still have no idea way the studios don't do what Otaking does. (Render the lines of the model, and just color and shade it digitally like you would the characters.

>>14083896
Sounds like more time and money.

>>14083885
>literally the only studio left that encourages talent now that Ghibli is dead
You keep laughing in denial

>>14083896
I heard WAT, Wit or whatever their name do it. They did it in some parts of Attack on Titan.

And we at RobotechX.com all laughing!

>>14083954
Pfft

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>>14083954

Good joke!

The usual complain, "too jarring", "looks like PS2" etc.

I don't see the complain being this obnoxious during Logos, M3 and Argevollen's airing. /m/ just hates the currently popular show.

>>14083954
Hehehe. I see. You're shitposting because you're buttmad about BONES being the literal GOAT.

>>14082921
I have the same issue with it that I had with Frontier and with Aquarion EVOL - the maneuvers and movements of the mecha are just too rapid and don't really give a sense of weight. I mean, yes, this is super futuristic tech but the models cut across the camera just a bit too rapidly and move too fluidly in contrast to the 2d characters - there's more "frames" of motion in them than the drawn characters which is jarring.

>>14084805
M3 had better CG, marginally, but the lighting was managed a lot better. I seem to remember them using some sort of gloss filter too.

Satelite has notoriously bad CG.

Also, nobody watched Logos. Evol is Satelite's best CG work (which isn't a whole lot to be proud of), and they outsourced most of it.

>>14084822
Evol is a joint project with 8bit. Damn too bad the story sucked, it could've been Satelight's magnum opus.

>>14084817
>there's more "frames" of motion in them than the drawn characters which is jarring.
When the CG has the same amount of frames as the drawn characters, people complain that the motion of the CG is distinctly lacking in frames(See: Arpeggio of Blue Steel).
When the CG has more frames, people complains its too jarring.

There's no way to satisfy you guys.

>>14084836
Option 2 is infinitely preferable to option 1

>>14084829
I still think the handful of times Akueria mao Sora plays are all 10/10 moments.

>>14084845
>Option 2 is infinitely preferable than Option 1
If they worked on it, it could've looked good.
See: Black Rock Shooter

>>14084852
>Expecting good CG from TV anime
Good CG is the exception, not the norm.

>>14084836
Arpeggio was all 3d, characters included. Even then I didn't think Arpeggio was really all that bad; heck, I even thought Sidonia was okay despite everyone saying it was choppy. But Delta's a mix of 2d and 3d animation.

I'll definitely admit it is definitely better than Frontier - there's somewhat less dissonance and I think the cuts during say, the dogfights in the first episode are a lot better and help trace the action better.

>>14082921
>All the PS2 cellshaded games had thick black lines.

They also had everything around them be CG as well. It's why the .hack//GU series has visually held up so well

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>>14083846
>has Milla Rage and Zato-1 in the image
>ask what game

They should've gotten Orange to do the CG.

>>14085084
Orange is good for when you want your mech to feel like it has weight. That doesn't apply much to valks (plus fafners on average are around 100m tall, so it's a lot easier to make them seem heavy).

>>14085090
>Orange is good when you want your mech to have weights
It's ironic because Orange's mechs doesn't feel heavy at all.

>>14083229
>Guilty Garbage
>doing anything right

Wew lad

>>14084814
Bones hasn't made anything worthwhile since Sword of Stranger.

Main problem is the mech doesn't have sense of weight and heck why don't they just made it like Zero

>>14085347
They've still got Cheyennes if it's any consolation.

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Because we've seen what Macross could look like if they actually cared.

It looks like a 90's American cartoon trying to do a virtual reality episode.
The models are better, they're actually good, but the animation leaves a lot to be desired.
All in all, CGI can only look good if you put a lot of money into it, and Japanese studios have no money.

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>>14085398
my bad, wrong picture.

>>14085311
> Guilty Garbage
fuck you anon, fuck you.
GGXX, Slash & Accent Core was the best.

.. but if you talk about latest Guilty Gear, feel free to spill your loathe on it.

>>14085467
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>14083229
Cause, they're too cheap to use Unreal Engine

>>14085311
meme elsewhere kiddo

>>14085537
>capshit
kill yourself.

>>14083009
Frontier looks better, though

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>>14082921
CGs in Delta make Girls and Panzer look great.

>>14083954
>Ghibli
>Two-man show
>Literally no capable successors
>DEAD
>Somehow "Encouraging talent"

Macross episode was fucking great, shitters.

Yes the first few cgs were trash and so were the bidepal guys whose name I forgot. But then the cgs skyrocketed into great.

Loved how at the end of the episode the protagonist dies with the girl. I hope they make some ovas of the squadrons and shit. Good movie. Last song was awesome too.

PS: I can't wait to have them on super robot wars

>>14082921
>The black lines are very thin.
They're also much thinner than the drawn characters, which creates inconsistency. The lightning is awful too.

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>>14082921
I think the main problem with Macross' CG is that it has always tried to look too realistic,if you look at the style of CG used in Fafner or MJP they try to keep it in the same style as the other 2D elements of their shows, but Macross goes full version Katoki with decals,rust,and other small details that while adding a nice touch to their models,they compromise how well they mesh into the world.
not the best shot from the show but picrelated is a decent example

>>14086212

But that looks terrible, look at the track. The only reason it doesn't look completely offensive is because the tanks side is one solid flat surface. If it had any kind of detail in it it would trigger everyone.

>>14083229
Xrd also did their lighting by hand for every frame of animation. It looks impressive, but it's A LOT more work than just slapping a filter on some models.

What animation studios should be doing is more rotoscoping if they really want to go the CG route.

>>14082921
I liked it a lot, even in trailers. It's different than Orange CGI but it looks cartoonish and the fights were good. I just hope the quality stays up and doesn't rely on stock footage or boring fights, so far it has potential.