>>13834124 It's an OVA which isn't accessible to the general public. Broadcasting it on TV makes it more accessible. Plus with the novels continuing they're going to want to build up more hype and release more kits.
>>13834124 >Sunrise needs to blow up. Seriously.My hate for this studio grow by the days.Unicorn doesn't need a fucking remaster. What the fuck, are they high or what?
Milking the UC for all it's worth. Sunrise wouldn't be doing this if Gundam wasn't taken hostage by a bunch of 30-40 year old losers shouting how the only real Gundam is Universal Century OYW and Zeon bullshit.
Sure, instead it's a story about notZeon with it's major recurring villain notChar and their desire to found a new nation independent of the Earth Federation and led by an aristocracy and draped in Nazi symbolism. Nothing like Zeon at all.
Even if you want to say that, Victory does the same thing but better anyways. F91 isn't a big loss because it's just an incomplete story told in a single somewhat messy film that doesn't have much impact on anything beyond Crossbone. Victory is better and has 40 odd years more clearance - though it has many of the same problems as F91 in that it too feels like a retread of 0079 in many ways and doesn't really connect to anything.
>>13834301 This, desu. For all their flaws, F91 and Victory at least tried to move UC forward beyond Zeon. Also, it would mean we lose all thos sexy Crossbone mecha in favour of 'Yet another Zaku rehash, only this time with even more Nazi styling!'
Is this second coming of the retards from G-Reco? They will probably watch it without seeing the previous UC entries. I can already see the "who's that guy in that photo frame?" / "who the fuck is the Red Comet?" / "I don't understand what is Zeon, Neo Zeon"
Anyway, how can this work? 6x55m + 85m last ova = 415m / 22m (average time for an episode) = 19~ episodes.
They will only have enough content for 19~ episodes, they can't cut enough and reduce it to 13 episodes, they will have to add 3 or 5 episodes of content to complete the 22/24 episodes timeslot.
Does that mean Vol 11 will be adapted for the TV version?
>>13834824 Federation would never hide behind the colonies, right? Federation would never make it's citizens feel opressed, right? And certainly the politicians of Federation wouldn't kill each other, especially if they're from one family, right?
>>13834064 I'd only really care about this if it meant they'd unfuck the ending; maybe have something about Frontal's backstory; and most importantly hopefully they'd see that UC TV series are worth doing (even if they are re-using old footage).
I mean shit, what I'd give for CCA and F91 to get re-cut as TV series with inserted scenes.
>/m/ >the only site in the world that actively hates Unicorn Sasuga 4chan, wouldn't expect any more of you fucks than to take the most contrarian opinions. After all, this is the board that makes out that the borefest that is Turn A is actually some sort of masterpiece, and the shitty slog through poor animation and trope filled story telling that is 0079 is supposedly the best mecha ever.
I don't really care about the new TV series or the new chapters, it's gonna be the same stuff but longer and possibily, dumber.
What I do care about is the kits, considering how much stuff they shat out back then. Kinda doubt they will make more kits for the unicorns tho, at this point there isn't much they can add. >inb4 more armed armor ACRONYM >inb4 new mutated kits like MG freedom 2.0
>>13835110 >Victory is perfect, you little nigger ok i love victory but we both know that's not true wish that time got more fleshing out though, i fucking love the look of zanscare and more mobile suit variations would be rad
>>13834836 >Federation would never hide behind the colonies, right? This is from a non-canon manga.
>Federation would never make it's citizens feel opressed, right? This is extremely true. The retard in >>13834834 likes to paint a different picture, but there's plenty of examples of spacenoids that are tired of the Federation's shit in just about every series, Zeon and beyond. Tomino's novels go more into it.
>And certainly the politicians of Federation wouldn't kill each other, especially if they're from one family, right? To be fair, the Federation's baggage is pretty tame compared to Zeon's drama.
I loved Gundam Unicorn, and want Sunrise more Gundam (or other mech) series in the same vein. But this is not what I wanted. That said, this could still turn out good. They could refine the story by removing or rewriting some of the poorer parts and/or adding new scenes. But I don't have much hope for the TV being better than the OVA. Sunrise probably just wants to make more money off a successful title with the least amount of work possible.
I'd be totally on board for that, especially if it reinterprets the development of the F91, SNRI etc to cut out the Zeon Oldsmobile army and instead bridges the gap by showing that the Unicorn was the peak of big mobile suits and newtype shit, with smaller, faster suits being developed by some new group to combat it and Anaheim struggling to adapt to that style so that the Feds eventually abandon them.
Well duh, but suits getting smaller and more focused on speed is something that happens by F91 anyways, so having something that shows that transition by having a new faction using smaller suits successfully against the Federation who are forced to adapt would be nice.
People tend to really latch onto the whole "BUT HE LOOKS JUST LIKE DOREL RONAH" thing. And then forget that Yas uses his own version of the Star System. And that he just really likes certain looks for certain roles.
It's why a lot of his protagonists all kinda look just like Seabook/Hiro/Arion.
But, yeah. The whole "gayest Gundam character ever (Which is impressive considering some of his competition)" thing is kind of what would prevent him from siring a child.
>>13834342 >But that was really the last gasp of Neo-Zeon insurrections. It looks like Oldsmobile's last gasp was in the Formula Senki SNES game, UC 0122, after the F90 events. But in UC 0123, there are some sad people living in a Side 3 shoal zone, the Zebra Zone, who seem to count as Neo Zeon remnants, and one of them fights against the EF. (See Silhouette Formula.) Then you have Zeon mobile suits showing up in Almarya, a side story to Double-Fake, the side story apparently taking place in UC 0179, but I have no way of knowing that's true. Then there's Zi Zeon of Gaia Gear, which I wouldn't even consider a Zeon movement.
What's that? Canon? Non-canon? Never heard of either.
Also, I'm not sure if Oldsmobile counts as a Neo Zeon movement anymore than the Delaz Fleet does.
>>13835328 >The last thing we need is for the Crossbone Vanguard to be tied into the Zeon octopus. Actually, I've seen a rumor that Kenneth Sleg from Hathaway's Flash is involved in the Vanguard's creation, so the Vanguard would be modeled after Mufty or however you transliterate it. I saw that on the Gundam Wiki, so take it with a colony drop of salt, but the Wiki cites Hajime Katoki's Gundam Fix Figuration series.
>>13834196 I'm more worried about Hathaway's Flash. Yeah, even though it was never even in-continuity and I've never read it. I'll hope that this apparent "epilogue" to Unicorn might lead into a Hathaway's Flash adaptation. Or a Beltorchika's Children adaptation, then Hathaway's Flash.
Maybe this Book 11 Unicorn continuation will jump three or four years ahead, to the actual end of the Republic of Zeon. Show us the canon version of Moon Crisis.
>>13835655 It's shallow and nothing but a soapbox for the author to voice his thought of the day.
But you know what, I enjoyed when Tom Clancy did it (Without Remorse is pretty much FUCK OFF DRUG LORDS and boy is it a ride because of it), and the Unicorn OVA has one of my guilty pleasure soapbox agendas (STOP BEING BUTTHURT ABOUT THE PAST, YOU'RE NOT MAKING IT ANY BETTER FOR THOSE LIVING IN THE PRESENT AND WE HAVE A DUTY TO MAKE A BETTER FUTURE FOR THOSE LIVING TOMORROW).
People who think Fukui writes with the intent of delivering a provoking message or some shit read too deeply in search of that message. I suspect his audience just completely misses the point of his writing, like any rightwingers are prone to do. I mean, exorcising the Zeon ghost is not exactly deep or anything, it's a rather simple addition to the old Tomino classic message about the youth paving the way for the future or however that went.
>>13834196 I'd like someone to explain to me where this Unicorn retcons Late UC comes from. The first impactful entry to late UC, F91, happens so far down the line after Unicorn under completely different political circumstances that have nothing to do with Zeon, that the fact that there are actual retarded shits that think it's no longer lore-compatible or something because of Unicorn fucking boggles my mind.
>>13835694 > Unicorn has a happy ending, so I don't want there to be war in UC ever again because that shits on Unicorn's ending. It doesn't fit thematically despite F91 and Victory being written years before and the rest of UC's major events were written by Tomino. If those are allowed to exist, then Unicorn is meaningless and that hurts my precious little feelings.
This has been my experience dealing with those types.
>>13835725 Unicorn has a happy ending for Banagher and Mineva. Everything else is left open to interpretation, but shit looks like it's about to get heavy on the political side of things.. The only positive thing about it is that it showed that bitter political enemies can put aside their past baggage and work together in hopes of finding a better future.
It would have been better if Fukui actually ahd gone all the way with the Clancy-ness with all the tacticool and political thriller shit. But the macguffin conspiracy was just so hamfisted that it pretty much made all the seriousness that it tried to setup earlier in the story a joke. We didn't even get our Rainbow Six Jesta for watching the OVA, the just flew around and did almost nothing until the very last five minute of the entire OVA. Return of Johnny Ridden is a much better Clancy Gundam than Unicorn. At least the macguffins make sense.
>>13835685 >I mean, exorcising the Zeon ghost is not exactly deep or anything
Except we already fucking had that with CCA. Unicorn is completely unnecessary.
>STOP BEING BUTTHURT ABOUT THE PAST, YOU'RE NOT MAKING IT ANY BETTER FOR THOSE LIVING IN THE PRESENT AND WE HAVE A DUTY TO MAKE A BETTER FUTURE FOR THOSE LIVING TOMORROW
I would argue that those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. In the context of the UC I'm 100% correct on this matter seeing as how the Federation kept making the same mistake after mistake until they ceased to exist altogether in the future, all because they refused to acknowledge their past fuck ups.
> I suspect his audience just completely misses the point of his writing, like any rightwingers are prone to do.
More like the message is such a ham fisted joke that it is hard for anyone with at least half a functioning brain to take the garbage seriously in any way. The fact that you actually compare Fukui's half assed garbage to the likes of Tom Clancy makes me question your mental sanity.
He has a pretty clear look of what he defines as a good protagonist.
And antagonist too.
I remember finding the Venus Wars on DVD not long after I'd gone from "mildly interested in robot anime" to "shit, this is becoming problematic" some years ago. And I was pretty shocked to see that Yas had just re-used some of the character designs.
>Bad guy was just Gihren Zabi with longer hair >Dick CO dude was Jerid Mesa with taller hair >Seabook was Hiro
There were some other ones that made me laugh too, but it's pretty easy to forgive Yas for favoring some designs when his work's usually pretty good.
>Unicorn TV Series Announcement >/m/ shits on Unicorn >/m/ shits on Zeon >/m/ gives the Federation a free ticket out of guilt and criticism land >/m/ shits some more on Zeon >/m/ shits on Japan and Japanese people's tastes >/m/ basks in their own GM fetishes for awhile >/m/ is simply and forever /m/
^ This thread.
God, you guys are transparent, predictable and thick-headed about your beliefs. Such one-sides debates filled with circle-jerks and Feddie propaganda.
Why? Can't these constantly derailing threads at least "try" to stick to the subject at hand for a bit?
Oh boy, another UNDERSTANDING Feddie wank. At least it's part of the non-canon timeline.
>>13834834 >>13835094 Also it's been completely refuted too. Now all they can babble about how they think the Papua wasn't commissioned as a transporter which show's Zeon's evil intentions in preparing to defend themselves from the Federation's clear aggression via their massive military build up.
>>13835212 >Goggle eyed trash tier mobile suits >Good Pick one.
>>13834824 >Declare war >Wipes out direct threats to their homeland and removes any chance they could be used as staging grounds for attacks on Side 3. Yes, leave a large group of colonies that have sided with your enemy and would have no problem housing their troops and assisting in their war effort right next door. What could go wrong?
As for Loum, if we go by what was animated in the main timeline. aka MS IGLOO. The colony drop operation was a faint to lure the Federation fleets from Luna II and the battle started well away from the colonies. Which can only mean that as the battle turned against the Federation, the turned towards the colonies to use them as shields to cover their escape which caused Loum to be destroyed in the crossfire. So it's the Federation's fault Loum was a destroyed.
>>13834064 I don't know whether to believe if this is happening or not due to this>>13834076 but I remember thinking back a while ago that banrise could easily separate the unicorn OVAs into a 13-15 episode anime series for TV if they wanted. Honestly if we at least get extra footage and maybe a short epilogue showing how the later UC declined it would be alright.
>>13836577 >Thinking I ever get banned A vast majority of my posts are well thought and extremely reasonable. You have no grounds to think or demand I be banned for clearly and concisely stating basic facts that the average /m/oron somehow manages to overlook.
>>13836548 So goggles aren't rugged now? And nobody ever mentioned Feddie wank. I don't care. The only think I hate is when you come into a thread and declare whatever topic everyone is discussing is now a FEDDIE VS ZEON thread. You bring up shit nobody is talking about and then people will argue just to spite you. We're talking about Unicorn TV series. Go away.
>>13834064 Who asked for this? Even if someone liked Unicorn why would they wanna watch the same thing all over again except now split into half hour segments each week with probably five or six minutes of actual new shit?
>>13836678 >The only think I hate is when you come into a thread and declare whatever topic everyone is discussing is now a FEDDIE VS ZEON thread. Seriously, the guy is fucking crippled in the head. He's like your redneck uncle that never stops talking about how much he hates democrats.
>>13836517 >it's completely alright to slaughter billions of spacenoids >we are fighting for their freedoms
Zabis didn't gave a fuck about the freedoms of spacenoids, because they were not giving them any. Principality of Zeon was dictatorship of Zabis. And Zabis well proved themselves to be backstabbing lunatics.
>>13836020 It should have when soldier from both side came to aid Amuro push Axis away to save Earth. That scene alone show that under a common threat, Human with different ideologies and views will come together to save each other. That what make the end of CCA that great.
However in the absence of that threat, mankind reverts to the usual dickery and salt over past dickery. And while post-Unicorn events cement that human nature is what it is, it nonetheless strives to ask that people be better than that.
Also there was a bit of revisiting the newtype meme and all the nonsense it inflicted on the Universal Century, culminating in the drama over how people feared the Charter would ultimately legitimize the Principality in retrospect, despite what the intent of the final line of the Charter was, or even the intent behind Deikum's philosophies and how the Zabi regime mangled them.
There's quite a bit of "well intentioned actions cause colossal fuckups for everyone because of concession or favoritism towards some arbitrary group" at times. The inability for people to come together and tear down the walls that differentiate us creates conflict. We see ourselves not as humans collectively, but as groups divided, and this isn't good for the well being of mankind.
So what? Once that common threat is gone there's nothing holding the two sides together anymore. That's like claiming that the end of Wing is a good way to resolve the problems between the colonies and Earth. It worked in universe, but it's still a silly solution. Not to mention that it was only 3 Zeon soldiers who helped Amuro push it back as far as we can see and they have no idea why Char was a terrible leader in reality and are never given any reason to think that Zeon's ideology is bad or why supporting them again in future might not be a good thing. All they ever thought was that maybe dropping an asteroid on Earth and helping initiate a nuclear winter might be a bad idea. To say nothing of the rest of the Earthsphere. Which is kind of important when, even confining it to Tomino shows there's been two Zeon revivals that have picked up support after 0079, and another two or three more outside Tomino shows if you count non-Tomino shows and manga. Char's Counterattack is only a cap on Amuro and Char's relationship and not a cap on Zeon.
Oh, and it should also be noted that while 3 Zeon soldiers did help Amuro push back Axis, there was at least ship full of Zeon guys and gals who had no desire to help Amuro and were sad at Char's passing and their sides loss. A ship which survived from what we're shown. Only a small percentage of Zeon guys changed their minds, the majority didn't.
>>13840941 They clearly were anti Zeon, which makes them pro federation by default. Or if we go by your logic, if half of them weren't Federation vs Zeon, then that means the other half was. Regardless of your next damage control post, you just proved me right.
Also you should not live in a glass house if you intend to throw stones in the form of buzzwords lke 'objective;. If crossbone suits are so good, where are all their Gunpla? Zeon is beloved and drives sales. Crossbone Vanguard was reduced to a movie and a manga no one cares about. Which will NEVER EVER be animated
>>13841671 Marida and her crews infiltrated Industrial 7, in search of the Princess. They found out this young boy (Banana) who was last seen with Mineva, so they put on civilian clothes and tried to abduct Banana to find out the whereabouts of the Princess.
>>13841042 >They clearly were anti Zeon, which makes them pro federation by default.
Ah, so you HAVE gone Full Retard, then. Thanks for the confirmation.
I don't even want to know how you construed the posts in >>13835685 or >>13835984 as being anti-Zeon, when one of them only mentions Zeon in passing and the other doesn't even mention Zeon but I guess any post that doesn't start with praising the glorious Principality, the nobility of the Zabi Family and the vision of the Prophet Deikun (pbuh) is considered anti-Zeon in your deluded mind.
>>13838931 >>13838931 What? At the end of the scene, literally everyone there in mobile suits stops fighting and helps push back the Axis.
Yes, technically Zeon can still continue, but that anon's point is that CCA thematically put Zeon to rest with that scene. At the last minute, the soldiers decide not to dedicate themselves fully to their idelogy and that the earth is worth saving. It's a powerful statement.
>>13844267 personally hoping if an actual "remake" is happening. Give the Gustav Karl to a named character and have it kick ass. that one dude on the ship in space had a revolver that guy give him a ecoas Gustav Karl. recton the gustav karl launch date, sunrise doesn't cares about HF
>>13844117 >"Your husband is just imitating the protagonist of a boring series called Gundam 00. From his selection, it's obvious how shallow he is. I suggest divorcing him. Or showing him a series other than 00." -ps3saikou_xbox360sine It's always humoring to know Japanese mecha fans act the same way we do.
>>13843236 >previous posts discussing criticism of Unicorn and the crazy theory that Angelo is related to Iron Mask >i-it's totally an anti-Zeon argument!
Yeah I'm done with you. The only one doing damage control or showing their biases here is you. No doubt now you'll declare 'victory' and post some smug reaction image, but I don't really care. If anything your replies throughout this thread have proven that you're an autistic little shit that no one should take seriously.
>>13838261 I see people in this thread bitching about /m/ not liking Unicorn, but you don't say why. Why, aside from the decent animation and the some good music in the soundtrack does Unicorn deserve to be popular? It sure as hell can't be the characters, scince the majority are either boring or fucking stupid. It can't be the story, because it's clumsy as fuck and shits on the rest of the setting. And it sure as hell can't be all the fucking zeonwank. So, go ahead. Tell me why Unicorn deserves its popularity. Retard.
>>13844050 >CCA thematically put Zeon to rest with that scene. At the last minute, the soldiers decide not to dedicate themselves fully to their idelogy and that the earth is worth saving. It's a powerful statement. I'd rather take what actually happens in CCA and Unicorn over your shitty cringe-worthy headcanon bullshit.
>>13844585 >decent animation Among the best in the franchise, but okay, sure, let's pretend it's just "decent", for argument's sake. >scince the majority are either boring or fucking stupid I wonder why they're popular then >it's clumsy as fuck and shits on the rest of the setting No it doesn't, nice headcanon though bub >zeonwank The only people that are this obsessed about zeonwank are a few autists on /m/. Literally no one else anywhere gives a flying fuck.
>>13845193 Hah! That would require actual effort on Sunrise's part. If this project is true, then it'll just be the OVA's seven episode edited into a 13 or so episode series. At best we may get some new animated scenes to explain some neglected plot points (like where the fuck Full Frontal came from) or some new battle scenes to hock some new Gunpla. But rewriting and reanimating the entire middle portion of the story? Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
>>13845198 >Among the best in the franchise, The previous Gundam OVAs blow it out of the water also episode 3 has an embrassingly bad sequence of reused animation and of course the latent bad CG usage in it.
>>13845226 I dont like Unicorn, but writing that its animation is decent means to be totally idiotic. The direction is great too. The only thing that has changed is that now is digital and the bright colors are actually a bit excessive.
>>13845397 A New UC anime with high budget after long time. Katoki Mecha, A reputed and famous Japanese writer (that does not necessarily mean "good"), A reputedly composer (Well, he made a great main theme for Unicorn), Yoshikazu Yasuhiko for Chara design (historical role for Gundam UC) and last, but not last... A LONG, very long advertising campaign which began with the novel and he has continuously hammered the name Unicorn for years.
if it went out in 90's today it would be classified less than Stardust and 08 MS Shotai, but as it comes after years of hunger and fasting for the UCfans, it was like giving then some water after a march in the desert.
>>13845893 Because nobody cares. F91 MG already exists and Japanese do not care about Cosmo Babylon or Late Uc in general. Even Victory era would need some animated spin off, but these assholes animating always stories during the OYW.
>>13843977 The OVA missed a scene I believe. Instead of Marida went directly after Banana and Audrey, in the novel Marida approached Banana first (as a teacher?), probing him about the "incident" (the crash landing). Banana told her what he told the police except the part that Audrey told him she will be heading to the Vist's Mansion.
Marida let him go and followed him, until he met up with Audrey. The rest of the event is the same as the OVA.
>>13845226 I will never understand why people think this is cool. It's not even remotely feasible even ignoring the fact that it's giant bipedal robots. There's absolutely no reason someone can tear their mobile suit's arm apart forcefully in an unintended fashion faster than the guy can attack him but simply because the camera shifted so we only see the retard mutilating his own robot, we get to conveniently 'ignore' the Gouf doing nothing for literally a few seconds in real time.
Then to top it off, the first time he wails on the Gouf, it does nothing because a mere sword blocked it. Not the shield, but the sword. Then the second time, even during mid-flight of his detached arm, the enemy pilot has the time to fucking blurt out an entire sentence while is already bad enough but whatever that's typical anime. However the worst part is the guy literally drops his guard which he had previously right before the arm hits his suit's face and causes him to stagger.
How is that bad ass? That's like if a feminist cuck ran up to an idiot, ripped off his penis, then smacked the idiot in the face with it like a dildo. How is that manly? How is that good choreography?
>>13848391 It's still true though. The guy could have just bodied the faggot while he was trying to tear his arm off, he had a fucking shield who did you think would win in a collision the guy standing still trying to rip his elbow apart or the guy lunging at him with a gigantic steel plate?
>>13848447 That doesn't change what I said at all. I never said he had to attack with the sword. He should use the shield. Even if the sword gets flung at him, somehow missing the big fucking Gundam in between which it probably shouldn't if he simply just moves around properly so that the sword flies at the back of the Gundam's head (not aiming for damage here, but it's better than nothing) so long as he holds his shield up properly the sword would hit his shield, which does jack shit then and he'd still be able to topple over the retard trying to rip his arm off for absolutely zero strategic merit.
Dropping your guard just because your enemy who is actively trying to kill you says something pretty much proves you aren't a soldier. Would any soldier stop in their tracks like a deer looking at headlights just because some ISIS fag starts spouting memes in English?
>>13848553 No it wouldn't, because when I'm caught off by surprise, I don't manually pull down my joy sticks changing my mobile suit's defensive stance into a vulnerable position, I simply get taken aback and do nothing for a moment not spill spaghetti all over my controls like a retard.
Or do you think every fighter pilot in history that got unexpected words from their radio started nose diving and crashing into buildings?
That retard didn't even bother to attack a different spot, he literally AIMED for the god damn sword being held up in a parry stance.
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