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> It's a tall order, so it's no wonder that man

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> It's a tall order, so it's no wonder that many shows are crushed under the pressure, from an overwrought Gundam: Reconguista in G to an overdesigned Gundam AGE. The Gundam monolith can withstand a few duds—it's been coasting off its reputation since '79—but the name is no longer synonymous with consistent quality.

HERE WE FUCKING GO!
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/mobile-suit-gundam-iron-blooded-orphans/episodes-1-2/.94086
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>overdesigned Gundam AGE
You wot
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>overwrought
I actually had to look that up

>1. Excessively nervous or excited; agitated.

I.. don't get it. Is he saying G-Reco was bad or good?
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Are overwrought and overdesigned secret codewords for shit?
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>>13336681
Oh wait I get it

> 2. excessively complex or ornate

Have fun with the exposition characters and the forced drama ANN
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>>13336674
It's kind of sad. Age actually had some decent designs, but they're wasted on that show.
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>>13336681

It's rooted in forging. Wrought iron is well known for it's ornate decoration, so to be overwrought is to be detailed till you become ridiculous.

No clue if it's accurate description however, I haven't gundamed for a while.
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>>13336689
>Age actually had some bad designs
ftfy nigga 90% of Age's designs are great
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>>13336674
>>13336681
They're just trying to sound smart by using similar sounding words that flow together. They have no idea what they actually mean.
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>>13336692
Yeah I got it the second later: >>13336684 >excessively complex

Appearently ANN can't handle writing that doesn't have a character exposing things every 5 minutes like in IBO
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>>13336694
This. This kind of writing reeks of ego and delusions of intelligence.
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>Popular anime sight hates robot franchise and Tomino show.

Quelle surprise.
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>>13336699
>excessively complex
The thing about G-REco is that the writing is so fucking terrible it seems complicated, but it's not really complex at all, considering /m/ could understand parts of it.
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>>13336705
But Gundam usually is shit. They got that much right.

>>13336699
You G Reco niggers can't even agree on what a single fucking line from your show means.
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>The thing about G-REco is that the writing is so fucking terrible
Stopped reading right there
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>>13336715
And you G-Reco detractors can't understand a show meant for kids
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>>13336716
You've got to be really delusional to think that G-Reco's writing is even remotely good
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>>13336716
Shoulda stopped reading when he wrote "G-REco". Too autistic to let go of the shift key at the right time.
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>>13336693
I think she meant that the show itself was over-designed to be a big hit for children?
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>>13336699
IBO really does make a point of explaining every single thing. Yet I wouldn't be surprised to see idiots who still find it confusing.

Though it's also like, damned if you do, damned if you don't, because people will complain about too much exposition and they'll complain about not enough exposition.
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>>13336725
K shitposter

>>13336733
I use caps even for single capital letters
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>>13336694
It has to be that, even the odd Vegan designs were pretty damn simple, let alone the federation and Gundam designs of AGE.

But it's ANN they're, well, Retarded, and that is putting it lightly.
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To think all it took to make Gundam appeal to plebeians was to make it derivative again. I remember this same situation that came about 13 years ago when SEED came after Turn A while the latter was underappreciated for being too "different" then SEED comes along boosting every popular trope imaginable to sell itself to populous with a subpar product. And now here's IBO a show that offers nothing new, does nothing particularly well and is just a staple of what constitutes for modern mecha anime nowadays but gets praised for being SERIOUS and reminding them of previous less than stellar Gundam outings Wing and 08th Team. Can't say I'm surprised since I predicted this would happen though I think people will be more forgiving of the slip ups in this than the outright disdain AGE received before it aired or the negligence G-Reco was given.
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>>13336769
>And now here's IBO a show that offers nothing new, does nothing particularly well
Can I borrow your time machine?
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>>13336747
>IBO really does make a point of explaining every single thing. Yet I wouldn't be surprised to see idiots who still find it confusing.
There was someone who wasn't sure it was on Mars after the first episode. He also questioned why'd they use the force that left them behind as bait and never noticed when Mika left to get the Gundam. This was after the episode aired.
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>>13336780
>thinking IBO will be anything other than 00 2.0
anon I have bad news for you
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>>13336784
>being THIS stupid
this is future we chose
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>>13336788
Uh, we love 00 here though. What's the issue?
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>>13336769
I thought we loved Wing and 08th Team as well, or maybe it's just me.
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>>13336803
>we love 00 here though
Speak for yourself

>What's the issue?
With 00? Plenty

>>13336815
It's just you
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>>13336815
>I thought we loved Wing and 08th Team as well,
We love to make fun of Wing.
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>>13336836
>Speak for yourself

I speak for /m/. You are a minority. And if I've learned anything from Gundam, it's that minorities need to be exterminated. I think I learned that from Gundam, anyway.
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>>13336788
No really, I need to borrow your time machine. It'd be cool to own a physical Wii copy of Xenoblade without paying +$100.
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I wish G-Reco were popular so /m/ would stop pretending to like it. G-Reco fans are the worst thing since 08th MS fans.
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>>13336847
Just pirate it.
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>>13336854
I already did, you dingus. Why do you think I specified "physical"?
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>>13336846
>I speak for /m/
shut the fuck up
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>>13336849
I wish it were popular because that would mean it would be getting the respect it deserves. I've never been one to dislike a show solely because of its popularity.
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>>13336849
I wish G-Reco shitposters would stop making such weak baits
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>>13336861
Get out of here, nerd. I know you're just /a/ wearing a mustache. Also, 00 was great.
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>>13336866
>>13336871
Everyone knows G-Reco's fanbase is as contrarian as it gets and is only so firmly attached and obsessed with defending it because everyone else dislikes it. If the show were popular and praised, or even if it just didn't become a target of shitposting while it aired, it would have been forgotten about by now and all the people defending it now would instead be calling it a 6/10 show.
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>>13336750
Disagreeing with you isn't shitposting, buddy.
From Mask's flimsy reasons, Aida doing a complete 180 in relation to her opinion of Bellry in between episodes with no justification, poor development of key characters, such as Cumpa and Raraiya, to the conflict being solved by killing off all the political heads just because, and more important of all, failing to pass the intended message to the general public, I'd say G-Reco's writing is garbage.
But hey, continue to disregard my opinion just because I'm not sucking Tomino's dick. Maybe one of those days this masterpiece will be adored by hipsters instead of bandwagoners like you and you'll finally be justified on whatever mental gymnastics you used to believe G-Reco's writing is good. I'd even go as far as betting you didn't realize that it was a critic to current japanese politics regarding militarization until someone pointed it out for you.
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>>13336874
>Also, 00 was great.
Get out of here reddit
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>>13336879
That's simply not true.
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>>13336884
I see what you did there.
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>>13336880
>From Mask's flimsy reasons
>Aida doing a complete 180 in relation to her opinion of Bellry in between episodes with no justification
>the conflict being solved by killing off all the political heads just because

Look I try to take you seriously but I just can't when you start talking like this.
If you want to shit on G-Reco at least try to understand it, k?
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>>13336890
I uh, don't.
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>>13336895
So what's there to understand? Can you explain it to me? I mean, a person with a great mind and higher intellect like yours surely can do it, right?
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G-Self and G-Arcane were really cute, at least.
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>>13336895
>any criticism of the show is met with "YOU'RE JUST STUPID AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND"
Worse than bronies tbh
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>>13336879
>If the show were popular and praised
It was praised by Urobuchi and got a positive review from the biggest Japanese newspaper.
I think we should start hating on it!
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>>13336900
>Can you explain it to me? I mean, a person with a great mind and higher intellect like yours surely can do it, right?
I don't even have to, it's as simple as paying atention when you watch the show.
That's it
There's no tricks, no mathematical equations, no complicated problems, no nothing
I can understand it just fine, and I'm not a genius, so why wouldn't you?
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>>13336909
>any criticism of the show made by shitposters is full of basic questions the show already answers
You're making it a lot more difficult, you know?
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>>13336912
Oh, really? Interesting stuff, but I asked you to explain it to me.
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>>13336880
>Aida doing a complete 180 in relation to her opinion of Bellry in between episodes with no justification
You missed the moment she almost killed Bellri's mom?
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>>13336912
>>13336917
Avatarfagging is against the rules friend
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>>13336909
Explain how what bronies do is not worse than that.
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>>13336918
Well, if you insist, ask away anything you couldn't get

>>13336919
If pretty sure if he didn't he wouldn't be asking that anon
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>>13336930
Everything you pointed out.
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>>13336927
What do bronies do?
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>>13336923
It's not an avatar, they're just G-Reco pictures
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>>13336880
>Cumpa
He was never going to get more development. Just like Gihren, Jamitov, Iron mask and the others didn't get any.
His development was never part of the story.

>the conflict being solved by killing off all the political heads just because
Those were the only people who wanted to fight a war. Everyone else just wanted to solve their problems, one way or the other.

>failing to pass the intended message to the general public
The message was to get people to discuss some topics. He managed to do that in the West too.
"General public" can never be the target of a late night anime. As much as Tomino wanted G-Reco to be as popular as AKB, it was an impossible task to begin with.
But, hey, it is not like his career is made up of astonishing hits. I mean, it took only 10 years to Japana and West to realize that Turn A was good.
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>>13336932
>Mask's flimsy reasons
Such as?

>Aida doing a complete 180 in relation to her opinion of Bellry in between episodes with no justification
--------->>13336919

>the conflict being solved by killing off all the political heads just because
Political heads is actually wrong, since the pope, Bellri's mom and La Gu are political heads and they didn't die
But I get what you're saying, and it's basically this: people don't know anything about waging wars or even want to, and that's why when the warmongers among the factions die, they just don't have any reason to keep fighting.
Even one of the soldiers of the Capital Army flees while saying "I don't wan't to die in someone else's war!"
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>>13336780
>Can I borrow your time machine?
Why would you need s time machine when you can fucking watching Aquarion EVOL?
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>>13337036
Is it good?
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>>13336933
I haven't paid attention to them in a while but they shitpost a lot, for one thing. I expect that person to know what bronies do though since he says "worse than bronies." So really, how are bronies not the worst.
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>>13337039
It's pretty good. Cute girls. I see no real problem with it, much like IBO.
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>>13337046
>I haven't paid attention to them in a while but they shitpost a lot, for one thing.
So same as G Reco fags.
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>>13337056
"The same as" is different from "worse than," so.
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>Reconguista in G: Cheerleaders and cadets get into wacky hijinks and then fight a space pirate who turns out to be a hot chick
>Iron-Blooded Orphans: Adults use child soldiers as live bait after a man sells out his daughter to people who want her dead. Children are slaughtered by the dozens. Blood stains the ground. War is hhhheeeeeelllllll
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>>13337065
War is heel.
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>Iron Blooded Orphans comes on the heels of Gundam G no Reconguista, which was known for its childlike animation style, utter lack of realism, vacuous characters, and confusing plot. As a longtime Gundam fan, I had high hopes for Reconguista when it began and was optimistic that its arcane but mysterious setting would be better explained in later episodes — but the show only grew more bizarre and unfathomable as it trudged on.

>Yet, by comparing the first episodes of Reconguista and Orphans, I already have more initial faith in the newer Gundam series than I ever had in Reconguista. Orphans’ animation is gritty and the sharp, and (so far) the series seems to have a more ‘realistic’ plot that’s both edgier and reminiscent of the wildly popular Mobile Suit Gundam 00. Like 00‘s Setsuna F. Seiei, the good-guy mecha pilots are former child soldiers, making the viewer feel sorry for them and also see their twisted psychology.
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I just watched the first ep of G-Reco. What the fuck is this?
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>>13337092
The greatest mecha show of the last ten years.
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>>13337096
is that a M E M E or are you serious? I honestly can't tell.

Related, should I continue it?
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>>13337092
>I just watched the first ep of G-Reco.
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>>13337104
I am serious, though ten is a pretty arbitrary number to illustrate my point and I don't remember if there were any notable mecha shows in 2005.

And seriously, you should always watch at least a few episodes of a show before you make your judgment. So yes, do it.
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>>13337104
>Related, should I continue it?
Are interested? Keep going, because things are not as easy as they look like at first.
It bored you or you hated the cheerful tone? Drop it, the series is going to stay that way until the very last second.
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>>13337079
>Like 00‘s Setsuna F. Seiei, the good-guy mecha pilots are former child soldiers, making the viewer feel sorry for them and also see their twisted psychology.

This kind of shit is necessary when you are an angsty 10-16 year old, but these days I'm fine with my mecha shows being genki as fuck. G-Reco wasn't ultra dark, but it was unique and pretty high quality all things considered ( last episode was problematic yes).

I don't dislike IBO so far, but edgyness often just comes off as silly( like in Wing and 00) unless you can do it right ( like in Zeta or Victory).
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>>13337110
>>13337120
Well I wanted to see what the hype was all about. So i'll stick with it, for now
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>>13337133
IBO doesn't feel particularly edgy to me. It's one of those rare things that actually manages to address a serious issue without being edgy about it.
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>>13337142
same
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>>13337142
>manages to address a serious issue
Please, Japan is not Africa, they has no deal talking about child soldiers. Let alone experience or knowledge of the facts to talk about such issue.

IBO is not addressing anything, it is just pandering to fujos.
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>>13337150
Shut the fuck up about fujos. I am sick of hearing about fujoshi. It doesn't make a single difference to the actual show beyond their shirts being off. Who fucking cares.
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>>13337167
They're a dumb boogeyman anyway. Fujoshi are the only people in Japan who actually buy things, I say why not cater to them. In fact, I've never met a fujoshi that particularly annoyed me, while I've met lots of people on this board that annoy me greatly.
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>>13337150
It's not a documentary, you dumb fuck.
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>>13337104
It is a meme, you should go watch/rewatch Turn A instead because it's a much better use of your time.
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>>13337142

Yeah by all means, so far I have had no problems with it. It is more so this attitude that a Gundam anime has to be edgy in order to be good that I was criticizing. Which is what the author of the quote was seeming to imply.
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>>13337150
So do you hate Metal Gear, too?

Is it now a requirment that all Japanese fiction can only be about problems Japanese society is facing? Why do you want anime to be MORE limited in its scope?
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>>13337197
If we follow his mentality, no one outside Africa can talk about child-soldiers. And no one outside Japan can talk about japanese media.
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>>13336765
>But it's ANN they're, well, Retarded, and that is putting it lightly.

Let's be perfectly fair and blunt, any anime fan who feels they're qualified to review a show online "professionally" is a bleeding fool.
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>>13337203
Same with people who do it for video games.
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>>13337184
>It's not a documentary
That is what I said.
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>>13337217
No, you said "they has no deal talking about child soldiers" because Japan is not Africa.

You have no deal talking about anime because you're not Japanese, so fuck off forever.
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>>13337142
>that actually manages to address a serious issue
name more than 2 adults that aren't comical in how bad they are
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>>13337079
>which was known for its childlike animation style, utter lack of realism, vacuous characters, and confusing plot
>gritty and the sharp, and (so far) the series seems to have a more ‘realistic’ plot that’s both edgier
People like this exist? You are watching cartoons made for children

I am also hung up on the fact he sees 00 as realistic. I like 00 but it is pure anime bullshit
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>>13337229
Adults being scumfuck bastards is a serious issue.
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>>13337202
Nah, the Middle East could talk about child soldiers all day long. Ask any Iranian survivors of their 80s war with Iraq just HOW old those 'martyrs' they sent into the minefields to soak up all the explosions were.
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>>13337243
People see Aldnoah as realistic too. The first thing you need to know about people are that they are all idiots.
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>>13337284
I guess I should expect that from an anime reviewer, it's about the only journalism below games.

People really do seem to confuse gritty with real and show not always being upbeat with gritty
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>>13337229
It only been two episodes.
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>>13337298
That doesn't mean you need to make so many people comically evil. You can get the point across without going to such silly lengths
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>>13337310
Only comically evil guy I can think of was the one that got killed at the end of the first episode. The rest have been realistically selfish or just plain not evil at all, like Fareed McGillis.
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>>13336669
Oh god /m/ is going to harass her aren't they

You're going to fill her voicemail with "stick to a/z faggot" and "spoken like a true retard", don't do it /m/ you're better than this.
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>>13337458
>trying to incite /m/ to do it because you're scared to

Not your personal army, kid.
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>>13337458
I doubt there's enough people on /m/ regularly to even screw in a lightbulb, much less harass some punk ass, elitist online anime reviewer in a coordinated manner.
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>>13337458
>You're going to fill her voicemail with "stick to a/z faggot"
Oh, Christ, now I wish I could!
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>>13337458
ima cyber violence her bum and then whisper in her ear your husbando is shit
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>>13337458
Projecting much?
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>>13336669
Yo whats with Wing and 00fags not being able to review Gundam shows on their own merits?
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>>13336769
>does nothing particularly well
So just like G-rectum?
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>>13336900
I will.
Mask's reasons were deadset from the minute he put the Mask on, he wanted to Kuntala to stop being treated like shit
>But they were in the military
Mask's Squad was confirmed for prototype testing guinea pigs, check the archives.
>But I didn't SEE it!
So what?

Aida's opinion on Bellri changed several fucking times throughout the show, it's called character development. After Bell killed Cahill she resented him but wasnt a dependent self-centered wreck like every anime female ever dealing with loss. After she almost shot down his Mother she realized she would have done the exact same thing he did and chills out(she literally says this), from there it's just a one sided relationship with Bellri having affections for Aida up until they're revealed as siblings, Bellri couldnt deal with it for a while but once he got over it the two of them were tight as shit.

>The conflict being solved by killing off all the political heads just because
Because what? That's the most common ending to a Gundam show, the political or strategic leader is killed and everyone stops being faggots. What's different is that the guy behind all of this wasn't in some giant mobile armor or suped up mobile suit challenging MC to a duel of ideals. He was just a crafty old man manipulating people into killing each other.
Besides by the finale there was only one "leader" left. Cumpa, he died as a casualty in the very war he instigated. Very ironic.

G-Reco isn't a masterpiece but it's not as incomprehensible as people like to pretend it is. If you just read you wont be confused.
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>>13337079
hich was known for its childlike animation style, utter lack of realism, vacuous characters, and confusing plot. As a longtime Gundam fan, I had high hopes for Reconguista when it began and was optimistic that its arcane but mysterious setting would be better explained in later episodes — but the show only grew more bizarre and unfathomable as it trudged on.

I agree. G-reco was like the personification of the mental deterioration caused by old age and the bizarre, incoherent ramblings that frequently come from the mouths of old men.
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>>13337579
>That's the most common ending to a Gundam show, the political or strategic leader is killed and everyone stops being faggots.

So what's so unique or novel about G-reco again?
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>>13337229
Stark, Maruba and Fumitan :^)
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>>13337584
That was never the argument and I never said that.
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>>13337584
>So what's so unique or novel about G-reco again?
The fact that pisses you off so much.
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>>13337584
The fact that it got so much shitposting despite being such a non-controversial piece of media. Most forced bullshit this board has seen in years.
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>>13337584
The sheer amount of bait threads people make for it.
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>>13337594
The shitposting is mostly concentrated on a few things, too:
>I can't understand the show
>Tomino a shit
I'm not even mad anymore, just bored now.
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>>13337458
>fill her voicemail with "stick to a/z faggot"
I haven't used voicemail since 1999 but that's DEVILISH
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>>13337609
You also forgot
>I believe everything written on 4chan, so all of these people most really believe it's a flawless masterpiece.
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>>13337594
It was just generally unwelcoming in the sense of grabbing the user's attention. That's a fault of the show, not "retarded viewers" or whatever. If you don't suck people in, they will get bored, boredom leads to confusion, which leads to anger and hate. People expected another serious war drama and got something tonally much different.

I want to give it a 2nd chance one day, and the shitposting won't change my mind on that. The people who actually liked the show and aren't shitposting about it seemed to like it a lot and I wanna know why.
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>>13337628
Sounds like people should find some other healthy way of expressing their anger rather than making a thousand bait threads.
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>>13337544
They think that all Gundam should somehow be JUST like 00 or Wing, and not shows (relatively) unique in themselves ala 0079, Zeta, ZZ, 0080, 0083, F91, Victory, G Gundam, Turn A Gundam, and G-Reco.

>>13337628
>unwelcoming in the sense of grabbing the user's attention. That's a fault of the show, not "retarded viewers" or whatever
It grabbed my attention, and lots of other people's attention, pretty quickly. It's not a flaw of the show that you are not the target audience, it's not bad because it doesn't pander to you. It's not your fault that you don't like the show either. Not everything you ever encounter in life is going to be universally accessible to everyone, and it shouldn't be.
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>>13337652
>They think that all Gundam should somehow be JUST like 00 or Wing, and not shows (relatively) unique in themselves ala 0079, Zeta, ZZ, 0080, 0083, F91, Victory, G Gundam, Turn A Gundam, and G-Reco.
Look, I'm the guy you're replying to but please fuck off with this line of thinking. You cannot prove it. Stop saying it, it's no better than people saying everyone who likes G-Reco thinks its a masterpiece and everyone who doesnt is a knuckle dragging retard.
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>>13337579
>>13336900
To add to the conflicts part

Moonrace got raped hard by the triangle, pretty much no power
G-it was mostly destroyed and down to 1 leader who gave up
Ameria were panning to do more shit until Klim told his dad to fuck off
Capital Army have no reason to fight any more
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>>13337652
This seems to be a common reaction in Japan too so it is "controversial" in that sense. It failed to suck a lot of people in. But as you said some people do enjoy it and I want to rewatch it because of that, the ones who aren't shitposters tend to not act like dicks about it and genuinely seemed to enjoy it.
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>>13336939
>I mean, it took only 10 years to Japana and West to realize that Turn A was good.

>The pathetic grecofag hope that one day gundam and/or anime fans will enjoy watching the best on-screen representation of an old man clearly struggling with senility.
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>>13337741
>he best on-screen representation of an old man clearly struggling with senility
That is just like when gunotas thought Tomino was on sleeping pills when he was making Turn A.
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>>13337587
>That was never the argument and I never said that.
Tons of grecofags do use that argument, though.
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>>13337756
So what does that have to do with that post?
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>>13337581
How does it feel to agree with a retard?
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>>13337756
...No, they don't.
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I just can't believe how long the same exact people have been shitting on G-Reco without getting bored. You can tell it's the same person because they recite the same criticism practically verbatim, over and over again. I can understand people who like a show wanting to continue talking about it, what I don't understand is the people who hate it so much that they're saltily whining about it nearly a year later.
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>>13337936
Nobody is whining you stupid G-Reco fag. Sometimes we just need to remind you all that the show is in fact shit and nothing you say or do can change that.
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>>13337969
Sounds like whining to me.
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>>13336723
And you blind defenders need to realize that kids shouldn't be exposed to fucking stupidity. And I'm not just talking about the show.
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Will this G-Reco vs, IBO shitposting last throughout IBO's entire run?
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>>13338000
As long as people keep replying to it, yes.
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>>13336725
You gotta be delusional to think it wasn't
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>>13338000
Yeah we need more G Saviour vs IBO shitposting

IBO a shit, even G Saviour is better
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>>13338017
Now this is what I can agree on. G-Savior is an underrated gem and the best of the Gundam franchise at it's realest and grittiest.
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>>13337969
Most ironic post I've seen in a while.
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>>13338000
You have to realize that people are going to shitpost about literally every Gundam regardless of how it is. Been seeing this for about four years straight and I'm sure it's went on longer than that. Sadly, this is not a very good place to have discussion about Gundam.
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>>13338028
You should take a look at /v/ sometimes, you'll wonder if you wandered into the Twilight Zone.
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Im pretty sure the detractor/defender posters are just one dedicated shitposter
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>>13338034
I can do without ever looking at /v/ again in my life. Boards like that have been bringing down the rest of the site for years, because their shit seeps into everything.
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>>13338054
I've been suspecting this too because it all seems too passionate to be real. It's like YouTube comments but with better grammar.
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>>13338054
Oh, I can tell that. People try to insist otherwise, but it is very easy to recognize someone's posting style once you have a bit of experience. I've been seeing the same shitter calling Tomino a senile old man for the longest time.
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Imagine how hard the G-Reco shitposting would drop off if Hiroyuki just implemented IDs.
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>>13338017
>>13338025
I need to rewatch g-savior, it's been a while.
I know it had problems but I forgot what they were.
I remember liking the ms design and background for the setting and conflict
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>>13338081
>I know it had problems but I forgot what they were.
Most of it's problems are just being a bit dull, otherwise it is just like any random low budget scifi movie

PS2 game is great though
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>>13338080
There are people who change their IP and commence massive forum sliding whenever threads don't take the direction they'd hope. It's weird and time consuming but it happens all the time on boards like /v/. As soon as people start realising they're wasting their time in comes a fresh batch of people who seemingly care way too much about the matter, exaggeratory opposition and a make a bunch of strawmans out of reasonable posts.
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>>13338110
What would be the point of doing that without IDs? Nobody'd notice it's the same person anyway.

Anyway, even if there are people like that, we also have the lazy people who are just doing it because it's easy, as indicated by the unique poster count in this thread. I think IDs are still worth doing because they will scare at least some of these people off.
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>>13338089
>PS2 game is great though
I've heard, the Savior model variants look pretty cool too
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>>13337079
>Mobile Suit Gundam 00
>00 as a benchmark
Wow, kids these days really praise garbage
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>>13338468
It's a mixed bag. The gameplay is arcady and pretty fun though
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>>13338000
The general actually gets good discussion so far. It's like /greco/ all over again.
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>>13337243
>I am also hung up on the fact he sees 00 as realistic. I like 00 but it is pure anime bullshit
00 is one of the goofiest gundams and I love it for exactly that reason. I mean the ending is a flower in space.
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>>13338025
>>13338081
The worst part of G Saviour is that they actually cut out a fight from the movie before it was released.

There was supposed to be a fight between some Bugus and the G Saviour terrian mode in Side 4's New Manhattan, at least according to the G Saviour mechanical design and fact book I have.
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>>13336919
Yeah, sure, almost killing someone's mother is perfectly good reason for the hatred for someone to simply disappear. Well, then again, what I said was that there was no reason. I'll concede the point.

>>13336942
>Mask's reasons
Why he fights. He does everything he does is because some sort of perceived kuntala racism, which isn't really something that is very apparent at all in the show. Or that he hates Bellri because he's born in privilege. I suppose you could interpret Mask as representing how pathetic a man can be due to hatred born from jealousy, but even then it doesn't constitute a good character.

>they just don't have any reason to keep fighting.
But the thing is that it's not a good way to solve the conflict. It IS, well, realistic in a way, because at the end of the day the soldiers are just people being forced into war by other people, but there's gotta be something else to it, as a work of fiction. The only person who got something out of the whole conflict was Aida, who grew up as a person.

>>13336939
>Cumpa
Coming from a lineage of badly written villains doesn't excuse him being so too. He's comparable to the MCU villains.
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>>13338714
>Yeah, sure, almost killing someone's mother is perfectly good reason for the hatred for someone to simply disappear.
She realized Bellri made a mistake. Same mistake she was going to make if he didn't stop her.

And it is not like Bellri hasn't shown plenty of times that he was sorry and not a bad person.

And for what matters, she clearly remembers it, because she still speaks about him when they met the Resistance.
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Seeing as G-Reco is only good for suitposting, I think we should ban discussion of it from /m/. No one ever actually talks about it, it's just a thread derail and excuse to call people retarded for flimsy reasons.
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>>13338627
It is literally sentai bishies in magic robots saving the world, the gay way!
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>>13337655
>You cannot prove it

See >>13337079
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>>13338714
>something that is very apparent at all in the show.

>Noredo kicked and shoved around for being a kuntala
>people use it like they used nigger multiple times
>When he joins CA he gets bullied about it
>In the team speak bit they talk about how kuntalas are never given high positions and this is there one chance to prove themselves
How did you miss this?
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>>13338757
Except in S1, the sentai warriors didn't save a thing, they ruined fucking everything.

>this is Celestial Being
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>>13337913
Nice delusion, bro.
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>>13338770
>How did you miss this?
It's indistinguishable from how douchey military meatheads treat everyone they think is below them.

So far IBO has a much better job of showing how this one group is disfranchised and literally starving unless they become child solders.
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>>13338916
IBO is just more in your face, but neither approach is bad.
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>>13338916
>It's indistinguishable
well maybe, just maybe you should pay attention

But no going "move out the way nigger *kick*" or "They are letting niggers in now? I'm sure you'll be fine nigger HAHA" is pretty easy to get. Kuntala is used the exact same way nigger was/is
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>>13338916
That's because you have a character preaching about how disenfranchised they are while being shown a bunch of slides.
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>>13338942
Yeah but no one EXPLAINED it to me so how was I supposed to get it?
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>>13338975
Mask says that his people are discriminated against.
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>>13338982
Mask is implied to be an odd one for caring about that though.
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>>13338985
How so?
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>>13338985
That doesn't change the fact that they are treated differently.
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>>13338928
Greco's is bad when you have a character whose entire reason for existing is based around "muh oppression!" and said oppression is so far in the background it's barely recognizable.
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>>13338985
>Mask is implied to be an odd one
he explains to a group of kuntala who feel the same way and are in his squad for that reason, also Manny
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>/m/ says all Gundam is shit except for maaaaaybe 0079 (but only the movies)
>it's fine
>ANN says all Gundam is mediocre or below average
>/m/ loses its shit
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>>13338916
>So far IBO has a much better job of showing how this one group is disfranchised and literally starving unless they become child solders.
Two different things, genius.
One is "LOOK AT THE POOOR KIDS AND CRY!!!!" the other is "Well, some guys are still considered inferior".
You would have a point if the subplot about Kuntalas was set when they were still being eaten, but Tomino explicitly decided to show that they were just being discriminated because of their origins.
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>>13338945
Yeah it's called showing and telling, while Greco only told.
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>>13339028
>only told.
see>>13338770
we see it happen
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>>13339026
>the other is "Well, some guys are still considered inferior".

And that's why Mask's histrionics are unwarranted and annoying.
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>>13339024
Because /m/ can mostly coherently explain why they say it's shit, it's different people saying dfferent parts are shit, and we still love Gundam as a whole.
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>>13339041
Tough guy!
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>>13339037
See
>>13338916
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>>13339000
>>13339018
...I read it on /m/, I need to rewatch Reco to be honest
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>>13339048
see>>13339026
>>13338945
>>13338942
>>13338928
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>>13339028
First episode you have micro-aggression against Luin and Noredo getting kicked just for being a Kuntala.
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>>13339017
If at every turn we had Mask being treated like a walking sandwich you'd be complaining how contrived it is. To what degree is it enough?
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>>13338916
Sure.
All we have got is a bunch of edgy pics on an infodump, a sad song and a group of child soldiers, which judging by their bodies and intellect could very well be one of the most elitist groups from Nazi Germany.

I'm sure IBO showed us very well what discrimination and poverty actually are.

Food for though:
How come all of them still have all the limbs attached?
How come nobody among them has to worry about food?
How come they can take a beating and nobody has an issue with getting medial treatment?
I mean, this is the body of a kid born and grown in poverty, isn't it?
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>>13339090
Someone should replace the BGM of Kudelia's speech with Sarah McLachlin's In The Arms of An Angel.
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>>13339024
>>13339042
>/m/ is one person
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>>13339024
No because /m/ isn't one person. I have seen a lot of people on this board say they prefer the tv series, but I've also seen people say they prefer the movies for what ever reason. There are people who love Zeta and there are people who hate Zeta. There are people who love ZZ and there are people who hate ZZ. There are people who love CCA and there are people who hate CCA. There are people who love 0080 and I've never really seen anyone on here who hated it but I'm sure they're out there. There are people who love 0083 and there are people who hate 0083. There are people who love F91 and there are people who hate F91. There are people who love Victory and there are people who hate Victory.There are people who love G Gundam and there are people who hate G Gundam. There are people who love Wing and there are people who hate Wing. There are people who love Gundam X and there are people who hate Gundam X. There are people who love 08th MS Team and there are people who hate 08th MS Team. There are people who love Turn A Gundam and there are people who hate Turn A Gundam.

I could go on. There is no unanimous opinion about anything on /m/ because there is no such thing as an unanimous opinion on an anonymous imageboard with people posting from all different walks of life. Saying that "/m/ says all Gundam is shit" is simply hyperbole. "There are some people on /m/ who say all Gundam is shit" would be a bit more accurate.
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>>13339137
There are people who love SEED Destiny and people who hate SEED Destiny.
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>>13339137
>you either like something or hate it

Truly we live in a world of archetypes
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>>13339147
lets not exaggerate
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>>13339069

And then with the exception of Luin's moping and a couple of jackasses, it just disappeared.

Guess Tomino remembered that trying to remind 10 year old kids of the prejudice that burakumin faced centuries ago was a bit of a silly idea, and made Luin an idiot to emphasize how dumb it was.
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>>13339153
There are people who love Valvrave and people who hate Valvrave.
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>>13338975
Are you retarded? This has to be a joke. This is the embodiment of "SPOONFEED ME". This must be a recofag false flag.
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>>13339155
>burakumin faced centuries ago
Pffffft. Japan's so assbackwards their society hasn't actually changed much in all that time.
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>>13339042

Fuck off, no you don't.

Almost every Gundam show with the noted exception of 0080 because of muh feels and hamburgers is treated with either indifference or disdain for one reason or another. Anyone who claims to 'love' Gundam is drowned out by a tidal wave of negativity.
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>>13339157
>There are people who love Valvrave
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>>13339155
>it just disappeared.
you mean when the left earth to where it is not present?

There is a thing called set up, that is exactly what they did. After that they have it brought up in various ways to remind you of exactly what you saw
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>>13339155
Yeah it's surprising how when the cast isn't surrounded by assholes they stop being treated like shit. Haha, fucking old man.
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>>13339137
>There are people who love 08th MS Team
>There are people who love Wing
>There are people who love 0083
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>>13339174

>various ways

Like Luin's whinging, yes.

That's the only consistent reminder we ever get of how oh so terribly oppressed these former walking rations are, really, and Luin's a jealous little shit with a chip on his shoulder the size of Texas. He's probably exaggerating.
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>>13339149
I never said that. I just didn't mention that you can fall anywhere in between, as my point was that there are people on this board who DO fall on either extreme, not just one. Which is why I said "There are people", meaning that there are individuals on this board who love a particular show AND there are also individuals who hate a particular show. Nowhere in my post did I ever say that people on /m/ unequivocally either loves Zeta OR hates Zeta, nowhere in between. That was just you leaping to conclusions based on nothing.
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Reco was ok but, Bellri is the worst gundam protagonist to date. I fucking hate Bellri so much.
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>>13339069
I don't think being kicked is a fucking "micro-aggression".
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>>13339204
>First episode you have micro-aggression against Luin
>and Noredo getting kicked just for being a Kuntala.
Get some sleep, Anon.
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>>13339188
Go through the archives. Oh wait
Just this past week, I have seen people express love for 08th, Unicorn, 0083 and going back even further, there have been people who admitted to enjoying Wing. Sure, maybe they were purposefully being contrarian, but it isn't very hard to believe that there are people on this board who don't share your opinion.
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>>13339203
>Hating Bellri "Aida's vagina couldn't be finer" Zenam
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>>13339195
Hey I was not criticizing you It just that kinda feels as if most people either love or hate something middle ground or indifference fell off.

> "Despite all the stupid shit insert show name did I still found it alright for what it is I guess.

Good luck with comments such as this
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>>13339203
>hating on Bellri "Warning Shot" Zenam
>hating on Bellri "sister fucker" Zenam
>hating on Bellri "poop chute in the mobile suit" Zenam
>hating on Bellri "Can't Flimflam the Zanman" Zenam
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>>13339219
Archives are back on desustorage now, Anon.
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>>13339166
It a joke.
I mean the guy is going in circle
>BUT THEY DIDN'T SHOW ME!
>But they showed you in different scenes.
>BUT THEY DIDN'T EXPLAIN TO ME!
>But they did in those very scenes!
>HURR DURR SHOW DON'T TELL
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>>13339227
>>13339237
FUCK YOU
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>>13339155
>and made Luin an idiot to emphasize how dumb it was
Have you not seen Zeta? Mask is basically Jerid.
He had good goals, but his bullshit about pride and rivalry with the MC kicked him out of the road.
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>>13339155
>it just disappeared.
Yeah, sure, it is not like Kira treated the Megafauna crew like he was dealing with troglodytes because of the Kuntala prejudice.
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>>13339269
>Kira
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>>13339269
Racist Kira for SRW when?
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>>13339272
Oh, fuck me.
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>>13339257
>Mask is basically Jerid.
Except Mask actually beat his rival and got a good end whereas Jerid died a failure and not even Kamille took him seriously.
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>>13339282
We all know who really needs a fuck!

only one lewd
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Luin's Kuntala pride escalating is just because Bellri constantly one ups him and gets in his way.

As Mask, Luin's job is to capture the G-Self and rescue Raraiya. As he views it, it's the only way he can rise in society. Bellri stops him every time, even when Mask tries to delegate with Bellri. So he amplifies his Kuntala pride and directs his anger towards Bellri.

This is a base nature of humans. Bellri is that jackass at work who you think keeps getting in your way. His family has a good connection with the company and it got him a nice job right away. And every time you try to get your job done he seems to get in your way. You find every reason you can to justify your anger and contempt for him. You might tell yourself that someone like him is unfit to enter upper management because he doesn't get it, he doesn't understand the plebs like you rising from the bottom.

Just look at /pol/. They aren't even directly wronged by the people they hate, but they go on about MUH SOCIETY and COLLAPSE OF ROME all the time.

It's in the nature of humans to justify their anger and hatred with things that are bigger than their personal conflicts.
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>>13339298
>This is a base nature of humans. Bellri is that jackass at work who you think keeps getting in your way.
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>>13339298
>Just look at /pol/. They aren't even directly wronged by the people they hate, but they go on about MUH SOCIETY and COLLAPSE OF ROME all the time.
To be fair though, it is creepy how often it is the jews.
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>>13339269

So important in the grand scheme of things, right?

It was a near-useless little plot thread and it got treated as such.
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>>13339344
You can say that about any small detail. So whatever.
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>>13339344
Sounds like it was important because it was the foundation of Luin and Bellri. It remains to be seen if IBO's themes will be as important, or be treated as "oh here's the adults suck episode".
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>>13339365
s/relationship between Luin and Bellri/
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>>13339365

And what a foundation it was. We got some douchebag asshole being mad because he was so terribly downtrodden by the two or three people that openly insulted him and because he was pretend-buddies with a kid with connections, and the opposite end of this 'foundation' didn't even give a shit about it.

10/10, 100/100, best writing, give Tomino the keys to Sunrise.
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>>13339377
>We got some douchebag asshole being mad because he was so terribly downtrodden by the two or three people that openly insulted him and because he was pretend-buddies with a kid with connections, and the opposite end of this 'foundation' didn't even give a shit about it.
You got the juxtaposition of a kid who was able to explore the world, learn the truth, change POV and ideas, and another kid who was obsessed with his pride and revanche against society to the point he didn't even want to listen to his girlfriend.

Close VS Open mindsets. That was one of the biggest themes of the anime.
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>>13339377
Why do you seem so angry? I didn't like Reco either, but maybe I would have liked it if I paid attention
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>>13339415
I think the biggest theme was future vs the past ideals and wars

Many characters are stuck in the past and it's ideals be it a religious order or living up to what you think your dad wants. Many characters try to push old wars and concepts on others to get them to fight. Bellri and Aida both get other this and it is a big part of their development

It is funny as Greco isn't exactly anti-war. All the "good guys" are willing to fight for a cause, especially Klim who is basically a Char. But what makes them distinct from the "bad guys" is the come to fight their own wars and not those of the past because those aren't their wars and don't fit who they are and what they want. I think this is what Tomino was saying, don't be caught up in an old man's war but fight your own
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>>13339431
So he's okay with bringing back the japanese army, but the decisions should be up to a smartphone vote like crowds insight?
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>>13339458
I think it is more bringing back an army is inevitable so don't fight wars based on shit you are too young to give a fuck about
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>>13339188
>There are people who love Wing
It had some pretty rad Gundams, and both of the main characters were interesting. By which I mean Duo, Quatre, and Zechs.
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>>13339540
>and both of the main characters were interesting.
>By which I mean Duo, Quatre, and Zechs.
Yeah let's keep it that way
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>>13339431
Isn't that a little hypocritical?
>"Don't believe what any BAKA ADULTS tell you, except for me"
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>>13339589
Tomino isn't an adult, he's just an elderly child.
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>>13339589
Does this look like a responsible adult to you?
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>>13339589
I always took it more as him wanting people to think for themselves than blindly following him.
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>>13339589
That just proves his point
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>>13336669
whats wrong with calling bad shows bad?
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>>13339589
It's not, he even said in an interview that he's the final boss children will have to face
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>>13339659
It's wrong because G-Reco isn't bad
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>>13339024
>/m/ not losing its shit when anyone tries to claim compilation movies are good
lel
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>>13339173
Clearly some of them must love it if they've been talking about it for like 2-3 years now
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>>13339690
>shows with no emotional impact
>ever good
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>>13339707
You're still not talking about G-Reco
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>>13339682
>you now imagine Tomino in the Sazabi and the Bandai in the Nu
>"Victory Gundam was an anime that may very well have become a mother to me!"
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>>13339705
There's only one person on /m/ who loves it.
Everyone else is content to let it fade into obscurity.
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>>13339716
>Bandai is the good guy
Yeah how about no
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>>13339714
They don't even play music when Mask is sneaking up on Bellri in the last episode. Its a total failure to create drama.
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>>13339716
Destiny is something we all have to deal with
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>>13339724
>They don't even play music
Wow
Do you need laugh tracks to let you know when to laugh in comedies as well? Moron

>>13339698
It's widely agreed upon that Encounters in Space was very good though.
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>>13339090
>I'm sure IBO showed us very well what discrimination and poverty actually are.

IBO has so far shown us a decent reason to care about these people that have been screwed up by life, the kids are

>illiterate
>forcefully mutated to synch with their mobile worker machines
>abandoned (even while they're being attacked) and routinely abused by their adult lords,
>have to put up with all that shit or they starve to death in the streets

Meanwhile the kuntala suffer through... some guys saying nigger a few times and what else? Getting kicked once every 26 episodes? Sorry G-retard but the kuntala subplot was poorly-presented and developed.
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>>13339773
1 out of three isn't very good results. That movie covers way less content than the others is why btw.
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>>13339073
No, I would not call it contrived if a in-universe disenfranchised group is treated like crap. I would call it consistent.
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>>13339797
I'm pretty sure that was the point, they were only looked down upon because of something that happened way in the past.
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>>13339066
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>>13339017
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>>13339797
I am not a women and I am a Newtype, thus,I feel no sorrow towards children.
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>>13339821
See;>>13339069
>>13339174
>>13339179
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>>13339017
That is the point .
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>>13339269
>Kira treated the Megafauna crew like he was dealing with troglodytes because of the Kuntala prejudice.

Yeah he treated them so badly he didn't even disarm them.
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>>13339298
>This is a base nature of humans. Bellri is that jackass at work who you think keeps getting in your way. His family has a good connection with the company and it got him a nice job right away. And every time you try to get your job done he seems to get in your way. You find every reason you can to justify your anger and contempt for him. You might tell yourself that someone like him is unfit to enter upper management because he doesn't get it, he doesn't understand the plebs like you rising from the bottom.

This basically proves how the kuntala bullshit was unnecessary, you can have Mask be almost 100% the same without it.
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>>13339865
>take away character's main motivation and defining character trait
100% the same
Like changing Kamille's name
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>>13339865
You'd lose the burakumin angle for one, then there's the fact that you'd have to redo his entire character and motivations(which would be changing how his people are treated through his actions)
It'll remain a class issue but be even more vague unless you wanna go with rich vs poor.
Remove [That Bad Thing That Shouldnt Be Done Again] from your backstory or change it entirely
Remove all references to it from the script.
Noredo either doesnt get kicked in the first episode or she does for no reason other than being on a elevator she saved up to be on.
Noredo never receives snarky comments from Klim about her origins & her slingshot is even more of a questionable obsession
Kia will have to see the Earthnoids as savages for some other reason. Despite being a bloodthirsty extremist.

But yeah, "almost 100%". Removing it doesnt really improve anything IMO.
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>>13339865
There is some discrimination against the Kuntala as mentioned before. Mask also says something about kuntalas being unable to live in Sancto Porto, which is reserved for the highest class. The implication was that kuntala could never achieve that.

Taking the Kuntala angle takes away Mask's entire character in any case. He only works the way he does because the Kuntala thing is his baggage. Something that he holds onto and becomes a source of anger and ambition for him.
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>>13336699
>Appearently ANN can't handle writing that doesn't have a character exposing things every 5 minutes

That every anime fan for the last 8 years sadly.
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>>13339698
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