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>every female is dumb, useless, the usual "I will wait

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>every female is dumb, useless, the usual "I will wait for your return on the ship" or a mix of the three
It is Gundam 00 all over again.

What was the point of getting a female script-writer to work on the project if the female characters are the weakest and most stereotyped part of the show for the sake of fujo's self-insert anyway?
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>>13331779
Clearly Tomino did it right incest bait is the best shit
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>>13331779
That is Age
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>>13331779
Sounds more like Gundam AGE, 00 females were just useless once they got a man and one note even without one.
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>>13331779
What about the maid?
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>>13331779
Just wait until they die.
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>>13331779
>What was the point of getting a female script-writer to work on the project if the female characters are the weakest and most stereotyped part of the show
Blame the matriarchy.
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>>13331779
>Cookie
>Cracker
I fucking lost it when Biscuit said their names.
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>>13331779
>What was the point of getting a female script-writer to work on the project if the female characters are the weakest and most stereotyped part of the show for the sake of fujo's self-insert anyway?
Crazy idea here, but perhaps they don't care about that shit and gender was not a factor in her choosing?
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Why can't little kids act like little kids
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It was stated from the beginning that this will have heavy emphasis on fellowship between men. I'm tired of Western people constantly crying because anime series isn't politically correct enough, especially in setting like this.
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>>13331779
The maid's far from useless. The Princess needs some CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT before she can be useful, and the other three are children.

Stop reading too much into it mate.
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>>13331853
>Biscuit
>Cookie
>Cracker
Who the fuck were their parents? A duo of hamplanets?
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>>13331875
>It was stated from the beginning that this will have heavy emphasis on fellowship between men.
They also said they were worried about birth rates dropping, but I don't understand how Tekketsu is going to solve the issue by turning everyone into a fag.
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>>13331779
>wanting female character development
Fuck off /u/

GUNDAM IS FUJOSHIT, WRITTEN BY AND FOR FUJOS.
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>>13331880
>The maid's far from useless.
Yeah, she got hurt without dying.
That is an achievement over 00 characters.
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>>13331886
That's fixed by pushing this to foreigners of course
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>>13331858
Perhaps Op thinks she was diversity hire, whatta maroon.
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>>13331883
Mad Hatter and the March Hare, they needed some snacks to go with their tea parties.
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>>13331892
But we love pussy in the West.
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>>13331883
I don't know but I want to see the names of the others in the family tree.
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>>13331880
>and the other three are children
so are 90% of the rest of the cast
it even seems like you cant pilot a gundam if youre not a child
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>>13331886

By showing the honour, integrity and bravery of young men they're trying to make women interested in the male mystique again.
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>>13331908
Holy fucking shit, that is smart.

But what if young males are the issue? What if they are not interested in pussy?
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>>13331779
Why are there so many annoying loli characters in this show
Like at least Shakti was cute with her 'mite kudasai' but these are just irritating
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>>13331908
They're already interested. They're interested in getting off to fanart of them fucking.
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>>13331911

Next year we get Gundam Bloody-Crotched Maidens to balance it out.
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>>13331922
I thought IBO was made to balance the two Build Fighter and G-Reco.
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>>13331922
>BCM will be about a bunch of bitches on that time of the month fighting for some reason
>They all jump to conclusions over every single detail
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>>13331779
So? Kitbash-Barbatos next time?
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>>13331927

>Okada: This show isn't a normal mecha anime. It's more of a Period Piece (laughs)
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>>13331853
It reminds me of Akira Toriyama's naming schemes. I mean, the guy named an entire family after lower garments.
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>>13331883
>mfw the name of their great granpa is bread
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>>13331934
>All of the female characters argue over stolen articles of clothing and or boyfriends (Who change constantly)
>There is only one male member of the cast and its the captain.
>He awaits the sweet release of death
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>>13331959
Don't forget their Great Uncle Wheat.
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>>13331965
And their Uncle Yeast.
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>>13331917
Loliservice, for filthy otaku, lest they be driven away by fujo cast.
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>>13331971
Mom must be cake
Dad will be toast
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>>13331965
No one talks about Aunt Oat much, but her son Hobnob seems to have made a name for himself.
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>>13331779
Only pedos want little girl characterization.
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>>13331959
>>13331965
>>13331971
Great job, everybody, those are admittedly somewhat clever.
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>>13331779
>every female is dumb, useless
You said it, Op, just like life
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>>13331965
Just don't talk about crazy uncle Gluten.
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>>13331779

They're fucking children, what the hell do you think they're going to do outside of being hanger-ons, which has been the fate of every single child character since Zeta?
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>>13331994
Nice, unique, original meme. 10/10 for effort and holding unique, interesting opinions never seen before.
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>>13332005
>They're fucking children
Just like the soldiers, duh.
And being a child didn't stop Fa from taking a MS and doing SOMETHING.
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>>13331880
>>13332005
>mansplaining
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>>13332002
At least his daughter Rye seems to have a nice head on her shoulders.
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>>13332008
Hey, that was a free shot. These threads have been popping up for a while now, it's no one's fault but OP's that they have easy setups for shit jokes.
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>>13332008
So make up your mind, is it a meme or an opinion? And are we rating opinions based on originality and uniqueness now? Because
>WHERE ARE MUH STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS?
doesn't do too well, either.
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>>13332008
Calm yer tits, sis
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>>13332008
Women are fairly useless in war, aside from breeding more soldiers or getting raped.
Maybe the writer is just keeping it real.
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>>13332027

Maybe she's just writing what she wants to see (and/or thinks female viewers would want to see) and isn't concerned with Western political correctness or female pilots, so much as wanting to stuff in lots of shirtless men, melodrama and whatever else she thinks will attract Bandai a new audience like she was presumably hired for.
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>>13331779
Hmmm if you want anime with decent written female characters mecha is probably not something you should look at. Go watch Moribito to cleanse your soul.
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>>13331779
i was creeped out by the noises they made when biscuit started rubbing their heads
i hope biscuit refrains from touching his sisters in future episodes
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>>13332009

Okay, do you want me to make a distinction between a child not even past the age of 10 and a teenager?
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>>13332010
>mansplaining

Fucking kill yourself, you idiot.
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>>13332066
Biscuit works hard, brah.
Biscuit can rape, I mean, love tenderly any cookie he wants.
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>>13332066
>gundam cast
>straight
Keks
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>>13332075
Hetshit cisscum, you triggered?
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>>13331779
Only anime audience who want "strong female characters" are filthy lolicon pedos with their late night mahoshit.

Whens the last time you bought a BD or a fig, you cunt?
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I'm about as sure of Kudelia's place in the show as she is about herself, if she ends up a babysitter I'm probably not going to like her much.
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>>13332101
Would you rather she get a pinku gundam?
Most badass pilot bitches tend to be enemies.
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>>13332101
I hope not, I hope its as a mechanic or some shit. Right now she has this "working girl" kinda look to her right now.
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>>13332108

No she doesn't need to be a pilot, just the babysitter princess is kind of tiring to see.
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>>13331886
>people turn gay by exposure to gay things
Americans everybody.
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>>13332114
She's a princess, her job is making speeches, looking pretty and bearing sons. Her job is nothing but babysitting, one way or another.

Only ecape is to be action girl.
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>>13332134
Or be mechanic girl.
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>>13332133
Promoting faggotry turns more beta nerds into bisex homos, willing ti experiment w/o threat of violence.

Which is awesome, I love traps and twinks, they suck the best, so curious.
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>>13332134

She could be a mechanic >>13332112 or instead of being a figurative leader she become a literal one. Captain of a ship, battle planner, political maneuvering, something besides what she is now or a fancy babysitter. Something to dirty her hands.
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>>13331917
Shakti was the most retarded character in Gundam, she's much worse than these kids just existing to pander.
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>>13332142
Really? Jesus Christ.
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>>13332143
Shakti's voice didn't hurt my ears
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>>13332142

>Captain of a ship

>battle planner

Pfft.
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>>13332142
Nah the intro showed Orga to be the captain of their ship. I think Orga and Biscuit are handling the battle planning. So besides being a leader the only other things for her to do is be a babysitter, fight, or be a mechanic. I really fucking hope she becomes a mechanic.
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>>13331779
>fujo
>self-insert

Do you even know what those words MEAN?
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>>13332133
>he doesn't know how life experiences affect the epigenome
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>>13332142
Being born royal does not endow one with strategic genius.
Did she go to the academy, doesn't look like she'd be into the military life.

Maybe she can buy a ship, if rich enough.
She's just a politico, even if given leadership, she's just gonna talk alot about pray Mika will win longingly looking out the window and shit.
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>>13332167
>the only other things for her to do is be a babysitter, fight, or be a mechanic.
How about all three?
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>>13332143
Yer retarded
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>>13331779
next time they'll hire a robot writer to make everything nice equal 1's and 0's
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>>13332191
That would be interesting and I would not mind, but realistically they would pick one. I just hope the one they pick is mechanic.
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>>13332167
She can be the ship slut.
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>>13332201
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>>13332203
Sorry, Officer in charge of Morale and Hygiene.

That's a thing, I read about in several doujins.
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>>13332207
We are talking about what could be actual character development. Not some shoddy doujin writing. Don't get me wrong though, I would read that.
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>>13332207
>>13332201
"Sorry, princess, this crew only eats dick."
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>Biscuit
>Cookie
>Cracker

WHY IS THIS ALLOWED?
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>>13332220
>letting hambeasts write yer gendems
Kawaii desu ne, ne?
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>>13331959
good ol' Pan-pa
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>>13331981
Cake was the mother's surname, her full maiden name is
Chris Maus Cake
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>>13332248
kek
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>>13332248
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>>13332220
>Biscuit's sister dies
>the episode is titled The Cookie Crumbles
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>>13332002
Or Uncle Baguette
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>>13332288
Aunty Biscotii
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>>13331779
>hating on cookie lolis
You have no soul.
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kek,
his normal suit makes him look even more like a chick
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>>13331779
>every female is dumb, useless, the usual "I will wait for your return on the ship" or a mix of the three
It's called realism.
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I'd sooner take a show where female characters aren't pilots or combatants but are competent at other things, than one where its women fighters are praised as experienced or gifted, but spend most of the series either jobbing or needing MC-kun to rescue them.

Which one will this be? Too early to tell yet. But Kudelia decided to become the figurehead for the independence movement out of her own volition, no one told her to do it. So she was already showing initiative. She is also smart enough to figure out her father sold her out. There are strong hints she won't be just a useless princess good for standing around and channeling naive idealism.

But once again, too early to tell yet. Watch more, see how the situation develops.
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>>13332353
>but are competent at other things
Like... cooking?
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>>13331779

Oh no one anime focuses on men. It's not like there aren't seven thousand teenage girl shows this season like always.
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>>13332356
Cooking, cleaning, nagging, fucking, all the feminine arts.
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>>13332361
Teen girls are not women, they are otaku fap material, they don't count.
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>/m/ constantly complains about female characters being underutilized and poorly developed in Gundam
>Its okay when IBO does it

Why are you so hypocritical /m/?
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I can't say where Kudelia is going, but they've made it pretty clear that she won't be just another useless peace princess. I have hope for her.

I doubt she'll pilot, but who knows? She's young enough to get NANOMACHINES SON, so it's a possibility. Personally, I'd rather see her in a useful support role than on the battlefield, but whatever.
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>>13332356
Sure, why not. Everyone knows women are only good for cooking, cleaning, and giving birth to children.

Do I fit in yet?
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>>13332378
You sound like you watched the show with a shirt on or something.

Watch it the way it was meant to be watched. Then you'll understand.
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>>13332383
Yeah I mean Haman was a master chef, and Diana just stayed at home and cleaned the house when she ruled the moon. Oh and Cima was such a good mother.
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>>13331779
>fujo self-insert
That's SEED.

>>13331817
The 00 females (those in the military) were all fairly competent throughout. AGE had the worst though I agree.
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>>13332383
>not honoring your mothers and waifu
This is what feminazis do, they devalue anything natural and good that doesn't fit their anti-family, profag agenda.
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>>13332399
Cima had a pet tiger whom she loved like her child before it died and became her coat, and only because war wound made her infertile, you insensitive pig.
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>>13332378
/m/ hates everything newer than 20 years old. You should know that by now anon.
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>>13332378
>female side character
>ep2
Calm down, ya dumb broad.
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Hopefully Okada places a Haman in this.
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>>13332443
And he will be a blond man.
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>>13332451
But I want a woman
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>>13332381
>they've made it pretty clear that she won't be just another useless peace princess
It worked so well with Marina, didn't it?
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>>13332280
>she gets clipped by a new type of anti-personal mine
>the mines are already known as "cookie cutters"
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I'd rather not waste a thread on this so I'll ask here.
I'm rewatching Gundam Age but I dropped it around the second arc when I first seen it, so I'm just wondering where the Memory of Eden OVA would fit in?
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>>13332467
Marina was geniunely powerless though, rather than secretly being the daughter of the king of the world.
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>>13331779
Why did they shout she was a murderer?
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>>13332503
Gen 2 for the most part with Gen 3 reworked to focus on Asemu and Zeheart.
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>>13332504

Kudelia is at least shedding some of her naivety, and is already questioning her father which she put two and two together herself.
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>>13332467
With Marina, they made it a point that she would be useless unlike Relena.
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>>13332506
It was a reference to G-Reco's first episode.
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Where her tits that big in episode 1? I'm sure they weren't...
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>>13332467
Marina was demonstrably useless from the moment she showed up.

As people have said, Kudelia is already showing a certain level of initiative and competence, and the show is outright shitting on her naive outlook. She's being pretty obviously set up to take some kind of active role.
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>>13332504
This. It still annoys me that people don't realize she's not really a "princess" at all.
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>>13332526
I am not too sure but I welcome the change, she got them hips, and them tits now. All we need is dat ass and we will be golden.
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>>13332527
>competence
She is an expert in pissing the child soldiers off, that is for sure.
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>>13332527
>the show is outright shitting on her naive outlook
SEED Destiny and Zeta shitted all the time on Shinn and Kamille's personality. Look where they both ended up.
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>>13332539
She's smart enough to distrust her father. That has to count for something.
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>>13332539
At least she knows she is fucking up at it at least and is trying to fix it.
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>>13332510
So watch it during Gen 2 or would it be better to just watch it after I finish everything?
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>>13332543
A mature and competent soldier.
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>>13332527
>SHE HAS TOTALLY DONE WAY MORE THAN THE REST!
>Well she hasn't actually done something yet but I'm sure they will have her do something!
I'll believe it when I see it
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>>13332545
Marina realized she was being used early too.

Again, not really indicative of anything.
Maybe she is going to grow up. But what next? She will be a skillful leader before the second half kicks in? And what she will do? Have a cool NotDakar-speech and then go back to the sidelines?
Honestly, the issue is not her character being naive, because naive characters can be interesting when done right, like Dianna. The issue is that her character revolves around being an idiot and she has no personality beyond that.
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>>13332506
And was that whole thing where that guy starts yelling that breasts are soft to the dead kid?
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>>13332547
Compilation movies rarely make much sense on their own. Unless you really hate the series so far, I would finish it before moving onto MOE.
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>>13332565
>The issue is that her character revolves around being an idiot and she has no personality beyond that.
This is a good point

The show is early so they still have a load of time to add stuff about her but she is pretty much defined by being useless
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>>13332566
No he was saying that the dead kid wanted to die in big tits. Poor bastard, that MW was the exact opposite.
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>>13332526
They were. She was hunched over in episode 1 and had her arms covering them so you couldn't tell.
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>>13332572
Thank you anon
>Unless you really hate the series so far
I'm not hating it yet but I have forgotten a lot since I originally watched it, I remember making it to around the Age-2 DB getting introduced before dropping it, can't remember why I dropped it though.
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>>13332576
>The show is early so they still have a load of time to add stuff about her
Maybe, but it is not really a good hint about what is to come.
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>>13331779
Are you serious? Like, you're kidding, right?
Women love the "hot guys doing hot guy things" more than men do. That power fantasy nonsense is bullshit. 00 and Wing were both massive hits with the female audiences, why yhe fuck would anyone in their right mind think that a heterosexual FEMALE would turn down the homo?
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>>13331959
called?
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>>13331883
>mfw he has an older sister called Christmas Cake
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>>13332142
so you can complain that she is Neo-Lacus instead of Neo Marina?
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>>13331779
>fujo
>self-insert

>I have literally know nothing about fujos

be glad none of them is becoming Reccoa or Nina 2.0...yet
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>>13333514
meant to type
>I literally know nothing about fujos*
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>>13331779
>Literally five female characters introduced so far
>Three of them are children
>One is a naive princess with no life experience
>TWO EPISODES IN

When will people learn to stop judging a story by its first two chapters.
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>>13331895
>Perhaps Op thinks she was diversity hire

Well she was but not in the way that OP was thinking.
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>>13331883
During the French revolution, because of the supposed great social change, many people adopted agrarian names like "Mugwort", "Rye", and "shepard's crook" to distance themselves from the culture of aristocratic France.
Perhaps these retarded names are supposed to be something like that?
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>>13333514
Reccoa was a disgrace.
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>>13333556
>When will people learn to stop judging a story by its first two chapters.
Yep because A/Z and AGE winded up being soooo good.
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>>13333596
Zeta will be a 100x more enjoyable if they get rid of almost every females except Fa, Emma and Four.
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>>13333556
>Literally five female characters introduced so far
>Three of them are children
>One is a naive princess with no life experience
There's a good thing about this: no moronic "best girl" crap.
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>>13333612
Who'd pilot the Zeta?
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>>13333621
Its designer and constructor. Astonage
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>>13333603
The joke here is that both of those shows weren't that bad two episodes in. They got shitty only later.

>inb4 accusations of shit taste
I know what I said. Deal with it.
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>>13333638
They were shit from the get go
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>>13333656
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>>13333621
you cheeky bastard
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>>13333613
Hime bes gendem.
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>>13333713
>ballon tits blonde
Filthy casual.
Cookie is best.
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>>13333556
>>Three of them are children
I guess this anime is about CHILD SOLDIERS, but there are no children fighting, uh.
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>>13333728
Child soldiers that are at the youngest 14 or so, and were bred for war, as compared to homebound l8 year old girls who probably work on a farm.
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>>13333765
>bred
Nah, they're just street garbage lucked or forced into a job. Big diff.
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>>13332526
Gotta love how a plain white shirt just sticks to her body like that.
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>>13333765
>l8

I meant to put 8. I am, of course, talking about Cracker and Cookie.
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>>13332526
Biscuit makes bitches moist.

she cant help herself around that much man.
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>>13333796
Mars fabric is very clingy.
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>>13333722
My nigga.
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>gundam in flowers

00
0
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>>13332526
I love me some princess tits
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>>13331779
>What was the point of getting a female script-writer

New to Okada are we?
Bitch can't do woman look at the clusterfuck that was The Woman Called Fujiko Mine.
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>>13332556
>.gif
I made this for you
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>>13331779
Will Okada kill Biscuit sisters?
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>>13334357

It wasn't all bad. It brought back some of the sleaziness and moral ambiguity that'd been missing from Lupin III for a while. And, visually, the show looked great. Oscar was a cute too.

I don't think The Woman Called Fujiko Mine was a "clusterfuck" but it was definitely a mixed back. More to hate than there was to love, but it was an interesting experiment.

First two episodes of IBO have been pretty solid though. I'm liking the setup of prim and proper Earth nobility VS grungy space child soldiers so far. I hope we get a bit more perspective from the Gjallahorn dudes soon though.
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>>13334530

*a mixed bag, not a mixed back.

I just cannot into typing today.
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>>13332207
There was a pretty good AGE doujin about that actually, only good thing to come out of AGE
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>>13332526
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So will Mika's brain start leaking every time he pilots the Gundam? They should probably fix that
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>>13331779
The point was so that she could write whatever the fuck it is she wants to write. Nothing has to change to please you because nobody gives a shit about you not liking a cartoon, and cartoons are not important things that warrant the attention of political activists, unless they are lucky fucks so privileged they have to make up shit to complain about. You are unimportant and your virtue signalling is a pointless exercise in vanity, it amounts to nothing and that's a good thing, because it's tiresome to anyone who cares enough about anything to actually *do* anything.

Whoever this writer is, she made it into a competitive industry after working 1000x harder than you did when you got your knowledge-base from tumblr. And after doing so she wrote what she wanted to write. But yeah, poor you, I'm sure it was traumatizing when you saw the second episode of a chinese cartoon and the very own Mary Sue that you dream you are wasn't there. If you *really* wanted it, of course, she'd be *somewhere*. And then I wouldn't have to listen to your empty, conceited and entitled whining to boot.
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>>13334575
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>>13333323
This.

Every male lead in every female written romance novel is consistent with the "male power fantasies" nonsense, because what men imagine women want coincides with what women imagine wanting. It is beyond obvious that it should be this way. But yeah, feminism or something.
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>>13333368
Cima Griffon.
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>>13334496

I love it when women fight
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>>13334593
>sexism
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>shocked that a show aimed at women who hates female characters does not have strong or prominent female characters
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>>13334559
Fujo enjoy it, like menstruation, it helps them identify with Mika when they imagine him taken roughly by Orgasm.
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>>13331779
Tu/m/blr is real.
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>fujos
>caring about women characters
The only female characters fujoshits care about are yuri characters with sparkly eyes as big as bowling balls.
Shirtless boys are why any woman watches IBO.
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>>13331779
>muh women representation!!
You're fucking stupid. As much as we'd like a competent /fit/ girl on the team, I suppose for completely different reasons, you've got to remember that most women who actually consume mecha anime are fujoshi.
If you want to see some girls go watch moe anime or whatever. Hell, go watch Precure.
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>>13334958

This. They only need one, maybe two women in their ideal casts. One to hate and one to self-insert as.
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>>13331981
>dad will die
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>>13335036
dad is toast
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>>13333796
>desert planet
>sitting in a warhouse
>probably doesn't have AC
it's sweat
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>>13335065
>Mars
>Hot
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>>13335332
Desert doesn't necessarily mean hot.

>>13333796
>modern anime
>knowing how tits and clothes work
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>>13331779
>Sumeragi
>Wong (before S2)
>Nena
>Hillings
>Louise (S2)
>Kinue
>useless
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>>13331826
I fully expect her to be a fucking ninja or something. The maid/bodyguard badass hybrid.

>>13331779
Dude, they're like 6 or something. Pick on a character that's genuinely shitty, like Princess Dipshit or something. There's nothing wrong with small children not being gender-empowering uberfraulein.
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>>13335332
Everyone is in Bikinis and mucsle shirts. It's certainly not cold.
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>>13335371
Chris and Feldt were pretty skilled too, if not particularly strong characters. Remember how they programmed a new OS for the Gundams basically overnight, when the previous one required years in development and the support of the most advanced quantum computer known to humanity in order to work?

They may never have sortied in MS or been all that assertive in personality, but they were far from useless.
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>>13335517
They clearly said in the first episode that the only warm place on their base year round was the Gundam room

Everyone is in bikinis and muscle shirts because fapbait
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>>13335532
>some pulled out of ass thing means they aren't useless

I guess Kira isn't a bad character now since reprogramming the Strike in seconds is a good thing.
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>>13335533
So you're saying 5 minutes in and we already have shit lore?
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>>13333796
You're right. She should have worn a Burka so her misogynist, offensive body shape shouldn't have been seen. What pigs the artists were.
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>people are watching gundam: fujoshit edition
this crap is literally the new AGE, why?
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>>13335539
The point of discussion is usefulness, being a well written character is a completely different matter. That was a textbook strawman if I ever saw one.
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>>13335542
Yes
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>>13335539
You're equating writing quality with usefulness, which isn't what the discussion was. Kira wasn't well written, but he also definitely wasn't useless. It's not the same thing.

This particular discussion within this thread was about how useful or competent the character were.
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>>13335555
You have no idea what a strawman is if you think that was "textbook"
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>>13335552
>not 00
Age what?
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>>13331959
This gives me an idea for a Heredity lineage of all leavened product family AKA the Griffin lineage.
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