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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdKf3MneyI

New trailer for Marvel's Kamen Rider.
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>>12437986
Even /co/ commented that the Ant-Man film is influenced by Kamen Rider. Particularly Kabuto.
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New Kamen Rider Yellowjacket looks alright
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>>12437986
The whole "He gets tiny!" gimmick just doesn't do it for me and it looks silly as fuck.
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>>12438072
/co/ is shit. They don;t know what they're talking about.
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Humor was really forced for me, but Thomas was GOAT.

I love the shrinking mechanic because it looks like they using it well for amazing choreography.

I hope the end of the movie has Scott using the tech to grow. I would love something similar to Kamen Rider J.
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>>12438763
You mean like Giant Man? Probably will happen yes. If not in this then Avengers 3.
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>>12438763

> Humor was really forced to me

I don't know, the fight scene on the train set with Yellowjacket about to be hit by a train as dramatic music plays then zooming out to show it in a wider focus with no music was pretty hilarious I thought, along with one or two other bits. The choreography and use of growing in fights looks good too. And while the music is kind of annoyingly aggressive the trailer has made me look forward to the film. I do hope Ant-Man gets Yellowjacket's lasers in a sequel or something though - they're cool.
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>>12437986
Den-O confirmed for MCU.

>>12438072
I'm on /co/, but there's really no similarity. Ant-Man shrinks and grows. Kabuto slows down time. That's like saying that 300 was influenced by Kamen Rider Kabuto.

Ant-Man's got no Kamen Rider influences that I can see. All of the things that you could call an influence are directly from the comics. The belt being the controller for his shrinking and growing? That's been around since the 1960s. Helmet? 1960s. Riding things? 1960s. Useless female sidekick? 1960s.

Well. Maybe not useless in the films, but it took the Wasp 20 fucking years to nut up and put the daddy pants on.

Casuals on /co/ and other places are gonna get hyped because 'muh Cumon Rider references'. But, really, the guys who made the movie probably know as much about Kamen Rider as Ishinomori knew about Ant-Man. Let's just enjoy the similarities and not try to make up imaginary links.
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>>12438577
With a tiny Ant Man a single punch can break bone since all the strength is localized in such a tiny surface area.

O'Grady once accidentally punched a guy's neck and turned it into a blood fountain.
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>tfw best wasp won't be in film
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>>12439075
Explain further
Please
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>>12439190
They're offing Jan before it starts. Lab accident or something.

Unless you mean the picture, then that's just a Zone Flash for EMH.
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>>12437986

Have you tried setting it to Wumbo?
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>>12439319
Wrong image
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If Ant Man doesn't do a henshin pose once while shrinking. I will be very disappointed.
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>>12438546
I bet the remains of that suit are going to be repurposed into a Wasp suit for Hope at the end of the movie. It even has stingers and everything.
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>punches him in the nose with a closed fist

Great way to break your hand there, pageboy haircut girl.
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>>12439319
Goddamn, get doomed
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>>12439319
I'm sure they're gonna introduce her later, say that she was miniaturized so small that she entered the microverse, which was a plot element in Ant Man/Wasp stories anyway. They always introduce the main character first anyway before they introduce the sidekick.
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>>12439385

Really? It's pretty good example to me of why Doom is a boring villain. He no-sells everything just to walk over to his throne and sit down. That isn't exciting, to me at least, it's just dull. I'll take a villain who has to sweat that shit over someone like Doom who is prepped to all hell for every possible contingency any day. And then when he loses he didn't actually lose because Doombot.
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>>12439402
Nah. They've already got the female sidekick: Hope van Dyne. Jan and Hank's daughter.

She may or may not get the suit, but she's apparently the one who helps train Scott.
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>>12439411
That's mostly just a problem with the animated adaptations, though

Doom's been absolutely wrecked multiple times, most recently by Hank Pym
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>>12439447
And don't forget when Squirrel Girl owned his shit.

Squirrel Girl movie when?
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>>12439447
That's Scott Lang, not Hank Pym.

I'm just hoping we get a scene like this when he inevitably pops up in Avengers III.
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>>12439447
That's Lang though
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>>12439460
Sorry, yes, Scott Lang, that's embarrassing of me to do

This is what I get for leaving my co/m/fort zone and going to /co/
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>>12439460
Man, I miss EMH. Fuck you, Loeb, your son being dead doesn't justify you ruining everything for everyone.
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>>12437986

I can already tell my autism is gonna be triggered something fierce when the movie is out. The physics in this movie makes no fucking sense, especially when that guy gets punched out by tiny antman like he was being punched by a big invisible fist
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>>12439457
It won't happen. She's a filthy mutie, so her rights are owned by Fox.
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>>12439514
You don't enjoy the superior Avengers cartoon?
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>>12439540
>Cartoon
Anon, that's a Power Point presentation.
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>>12439411
Well, look - I have a special place in my heart for invincible, unbeatable pillar man type enemies, because it's so much more impressive when they go down. But there's good and bad ways to do it, and it can get old quick. I actually think the best villains are just protagonists.
As in, people you can understand, people you can root for, who are equal 1:1 with the protagonist, maybe even have the same abilities as them.

But really there's a good and bad way of handling every concept. No matter how good an idea is it depends on execution.
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>>12439540

God Falcon's mask design is ugly. The fact it's carried over to his new Cap outfit is annoying too.
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>>12439561

> it's so much more impressive when they go down

That's rarely true in my opinion. Usually it comes off more as "welp, time's running out, better remove the villain's plot armor" and then "oh look, now all our attacks are beating him to hell where they weren't even tickling him before" or the villain just stops countering stuff for no real reason.
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>>12439554
You take that back!
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>>12439474
Holy shit, that's cool
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>>12439519
That's how Antman works bro
Strong as he is when fully sized, just small
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>>12437986
I loved the Thomas tank engine bit.
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>>12439585

Is the problem Thor's kind of awkward looking turn or the fact that everything, even the snow, stops?

Because the latter thing I can probably just attribute to the gif, but if that happens in-show...
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>>12439583
>oh look, now all our attacks are beating him to hell where they weren't even tickling him before" or the villain just stops countering stuff for no real reason.

That's what I consider handling it badly

I mentioned Jojo for a reason. It's definitely not the pinnacle of writing or anything, but that "Utterly Invincible Enemy" was handled pretty well for the most part in Part 2, especially the ending. Hell, the final bossvjuat ISN'T beaten - he's just pushed faaaaar away

Maybe it's a bad example though.
Part 3 is what you described, part 4 was handled well, part 5 is maximum deus ex machina, part 6 was a ridiculous Phyrric Victory, part 7 was the same.
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>>12439632
Keep an eye on his hammer.
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So who would win in a fight? Atom or Antman?
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>>12439665
Neither.
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>>12439638

> I mentioned Jojo for a reason.

I don't think you mentioned Jojo at all till now.

>>12439665

Pretty sure Atom has shrunk far further than Atom ever has at least, whether that'd secure a win or not it's own. Though it probably would.
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>>12439665
Ant-Man has more range (his antennae can fire small energy discharges), shrink smaller (Atom can go sub-atomic, Ant-Man can shrink into different realities), and is stronger (At first he was only as strong as he usually was when he shrank. Later, he picked up legit super strength when he got smaller.).

Atom's good, but Ant-Man's better in every conceivable way. Except maybe mental stability.
>>12439474
>>12439447
Doom is really hard to get right.
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>>12439681
>I don't think you mentioned Jojo at all till now
Eh, I meant I mentioned the Pillar Men, from Jojo, specifically part 2.
Oh well.
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>>12437986
>Wasn't my idea
Why is it that even Marvel can't call him Ant-Man with a straight face?
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>>12439703
They expect normals to cringe at the name and think it's dumb. Despite, y'know. Spider-Man. Superman. Batman. Iron Man.

To be fair, Yellowjacket does sound a lot better.
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>>12439703

Cause it's not a very cool, inspiring to iconic name? Atom is pretty cool, Wasp is pretty cool, Ant-Man not so much. It also conjures some of the same problems as Aquaman has, as in "Oh, that guy who can speak to fish - scaaaary!".
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>>12439075
On one hand, she's honestly pretty shit in comics. On the other, adaptations always get her much better.
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>>12439713
The thing is Superman and Batman are so well known and storied as badassses no one thinks about the name. Similar with Spider-man, plus ya know, spiders are their own thing. Iron too, with things like the song and those ironman competitions.

Ant-man, people think of ants and it sounds goofy. I bet most would say he's a spidey knock-off.
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>>12437986
>clear visor
>eyes clearly visible in every single shot

Fucking retarded
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>>12439719
It's up to them to define Ant-Man as an iconic name. He's invented his own particles, was a founding Avenger before Cap even joined, built the first artificial intelligence, and has had two successors to his name. Just because normalfags scoff at his name shouldn't mean Marvel, the trendsetter in this situation, should follow suit.
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>>12439723
Yeah, pretty much every other version of Wasp has been pretty great.

Except for Avengers: United We Stand. But we don't talk about that show.
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>>12439736
It's a transparent visor. Why wouldn't you be able to see through it? It's not like he's got a Tony Stark-style HUD
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>>12439525
it actually doesn't matter if she's a mutant, she first appeared in an Iron Man comic so she's not counted under those restrictions(helps that she's never really associated with the X-Men despite being a Mutant), I could easily see Squirrel Girl being used by Disney if they decide to adapt any other Marvel properties like they did Big Hero 6
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>>12439736
Blame the actors guild. Face time is in a lot of contracts; guys who wear the mask full time like Karl Urban are the rare exception.
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>>12439600

Yea but that much power localized to a tiny point would just make him pierce through the man's cheek
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>>12439026
>Let's just enjoy the similarities and not try to make up imaginary links.

Yeah, another /co/mrade here, really the only similarity is the suit design, kind of.
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>>12439894
And even that's based on a design that came from the comics. Some /m/oron over on /co/ was trying to say that it was an obvious homage to the original Kamen Rider's chestpiece.

I dunno. People love to stretch.
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>>12439026
>That's like saying that 300 was influenced by Kamen Rider Kabuto.
This is stupid, everyone knows 300 was inspired by Faiz

>>12437986
I hate they are giving a big fuck you to Hank. Someone should take the rip of the jap dub when it comes out and sub it as a Kamen Rider movie.
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>>12440023
>fuck you to Hank
How so
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>>12440026
Are you kidding?

>not in the movie
>yellowjacket is the villain
>Tony created Ultron, not him.
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>>12440030
But he is in the movie. Hell, he's even Ant-Man in the flashback and has a Lego figure of him in costume.

>Implying that Hank not having a million mental breakdowns is bad.
>Implying that inventing the genocidal murderbot is something that we should be sad about being given to Tony Stark.
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>>12439894
Some fans are just desperate for nerd cred.
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>>12439319
So who would win in a fight, Dr. Doom or Magneto?
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>>12439525
Tell that to Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch
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>>12442135
Doom.
>>12442174
They aren't muties anymore. Marvel retconned that away when they revealed that Magneto wasn't actually their father.

They're doing a slash and burn on ALL of the things Fox has rights to.
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>>12442307
Still, they are Mutants enough for Fox to use them in their X-Men movies.
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If the majority of the film is going to be CGI, why not just make an animated film?
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>>12442326
That was because the agreement was made before Marvel retconned it away.

Future uses might be a new issue.
>>12442328
Ask yourself: When was the last time an animated film aimed at adults did well in the US?

Besides, they actually want to use this guy in crossovers.
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>>12442307
>they revealed that Magneto wasn't actually their father.
So who is now? Also, where do they get their powers from if they aren't mutants? Did they just go back to that golden age speed guy being their father?
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>>12442345
Don't know the answers to that yet, sorry. They only revealed Magneto wasn't related to them two or three months ago.

There's four big possibilities for their powers now: 1) Gypsy magic, assuming they keep their Maximoff origins.

2) Back to being the Whizzer's kids.

3) They're Inhumans (likely, given how Marvel's pushing Inhumans to replace mutants. However, it doesn't make sense given a lot of the Quicksilver/Inhuman interactions)

4) They're products of experimentation by the High Evolutionary.
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>>12442345
>Who is their father?
It is a mystery that probably won't be solved before the reboot.
>If they aren't mutants, what are they?
Inhumans, which have become "Mutants we can use in OUR movies" instead of the former society of alien experiments they once were.
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>>12439753
It looks pretty bad, like it's cheaply made.
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>>12440043
>implying being flawed is bad for a character
Go back to /krg/
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>>12439457
>Squirrel Girl movie when?
You're just gonna have to be content with the new comic.
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>>12443257
There's being 'flawed' and then there's being Marvel's punching bag.

You can't tell me that a Hank Pym without the stigma of the Slap isn't a far superior character.
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>>12442363
It'll probably get retconned back relatively soon.
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>>12437986
Do they shrink? Oh, man, they shrink.
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>>12439058

Pym, Lang and O'Grady retain their normal strength when they get smaller. However, unlike the Ant-Men, Janet Van Dyne gains super-strength when she shrinks.

They've got nothing on Ray Palmer (Atom), though.
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>>12439684

>Ant-Man can shrink into different realities)

The only reality Pym can shrink into is the Microverse.

> and is stronger (At first he was only as strong as he usually was when he shrank. Later, he picked up legit super strength when he got smaller.)

It is Janet van Dyne who has super-strength when shrunk not Pym / Lang / O'Grady.

Ray Palmer doesn't have super-strength when shrunk but he can manipulate his weight, mass and density at any size (normal height to subatomic), which can allow him to punch with far greater force.
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Seems cool, though I could do without mocking the name. I will forever wonder what the Edgar Wright version would be like
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