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Why do upgrades always look like over-designed pieces of shit

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Why do upgrades always look like over-designed pieces of shit compared to the original? Why even have upgrades? Fuck them! If the original is good enough, it shouldn't need more shit tacked on
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Retard
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Shin Getter isn't an upgrade though.
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>>11694132
Then how come it replaces the old Getter?
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>>11694120
Shin Getter isn't the old one with stuff slapped in, it's the old one remade fromt he ground up with different proportions and design aesthetics. Less "chunky 70's super robot", and more "God Demon Emperor Destroyer of Worlds."

>>11694136
That's Getter Robo G. Which does look worse than the original in every way and every form, but that's unrelated to Shin Getter.
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>>11694143
So it's an upgrade.

And it looks like crap.
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Gunleon comes to mind. Normal mode was well designed, compact but looked powerful. Magna Mode is a deviantart tier upgrade, those wings looked incredibly tacky and turning the wrench into a pile bunker was a huge step down.
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>>11694120

>Left

color blind hobo

>Right

color blind drag queen
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>>11694196
A good 66% of OG upgrades look worse than the original version. Banpreios, Neo Granzon, Garmraid Blaze, Granteed Dracodeus, Valzacard, Alteisen Riese, Rein Weissritter, Solvina Regina...
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If the white parts on Getter-1 were blue, it would look like a mecha Superman/Batman hybrid.
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>>11694120
Hmm, kinda with you OP, some upgrades are way overdesigned. Shin isn't tooo bad, just a few changes would make it godtier for me (wasn't sure whether to give it yellow underpants too)
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>>11694243
that's pretty sexy
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>mecha is ugly as sin
>upgrade is beautiful
>second upgrade makes it ugly again
Did this ever happen?
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>>11694243
The thing is, that's the chin getter. While I love its design, it never replaced the og getter in the manga. This did.
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>>11694263
Gundam->Zeta->ZZ
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Because in Japan if something is over designed, that means it's better. Like Kamille going from the simplistic Mark II to the complex Zeta, upgrades aren't always bad. Though upgrading from Zeta to ZZ was just bad, you can't upgrade on perfection.
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>>11694278
>gundam
>ugly
faggot
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>>11694273
That still suffers from the issues I had though, the dumb shoulders and pupils
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At that point the Getter had become something that was truly menacing and terrifying. The later scenes in the manga with everyone freaking out over the Getter assimilating the Dinosaur Empire wouldn't work with the goofy face and proportions of the original Getter. The Shin Getter was capable of much more imposing expressions and poses.
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>>11694310
The pupils are a plot point, nigga. The Getter was night-sentient at that point.
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>>11694120
>>11694136
>>11694156
>>11694198
>>11694310
All this shitty trolling. Hate to break it to you, but Shin Getter is a top tier design that's loved by most and hated by very few. Admittedly, Chin Getter is the worst rendition of the design.
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>>11694310
Eat shit, pupils are one the few sure ways to improve a mecha design.

I kind of agree with the shoulders. If they were like OVA Giant Robo's then Shin would be perfect.
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>>11694361
Well, except for SD Gundams. Pupils just look really off on those.
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Now let's talk about why Shining Gundam is better than God Gundam.
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>>11694366
Wrong again, SD Gundams are the *only* good-looking kind of Gundam.

Not BB Senshi, though. Those things are ridiculously overdesigned. The pupils are their one saving grace.
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>>11694361
>If they were like OVA Giant Robo's then Shin would be perfect.
So basically Getter Robo Go? Because Shin's body is Go's body with Getter-1's coloring and details. I guess Go's round shoulders aren't as large as OVA GR's, but yeah.
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>>11694339
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>>11694388
>Because Shin's body is Go's body with Getter-1's coloring and details
Except it isn't. At all. The chest and shins heh have some similarities, but aside from those small things they're completely different.
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>>11694401
It's funny how you could miss something so obvious. I mean hell, the Shin Getter Robo manga even went that further step to link the two by having Hayato design Go based on Shin during his Saotome lab days to explain why Shin and Go share the same base design.
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>>11694438
The chest has some influence but the only part that's the same are the shins. Again, the rest is completely different. Use your fucking eyes.
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>>11694475
>Use your fucking eyes.
Yes, you should. Or gouge them out if you still can't see the obvious.
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Don't mind me, just posting best Getter.
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Luckily it and everything else that ended up in ANIMA are non-canon.
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>>11695036
the ftype equipment was fun in A3 though
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>>11694361
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>>11695036
>it and everything else that ended up in ANIMA

It's not originally from ANIMA though. It did end up in ANIMA, but it was in other side material.

>>11695048
NO MAZINGER, NO!
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>>11695054
Did I say it originated in ANIMA? Luckily the Eva-2 game had more going for it then gaudy starfish-chest armor
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Mazinkaiser, for more or less the same reason OP dislikes Shin Getter, even though I like (manga) Shin Getter. Luckily Mazinkaiser is largely unimportant to the Mazinger mythos and can be safely ignored, while Shin Getter is pretty damn important to the Getter mythos. The only part I don't like about Shin Getter is the bat wings, so I'm glad they're drawn a couple different ways in the manga.

Also, Getter G rocks, fuck the haters.
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>>11694120
>over-designed
Kill yourself.
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>>11694120
>Shin Getter
>Bad
That's an interesting opinion you have. Albeit, a boring one.
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>>11695045
eva wunder would be amazing
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>>11694226
>Valzacard
>bad looking
Only if you said the sprite being squashed was the issue.

Its pretty fucking simple for a 2L sized mech.
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Anyone ever notice how only retards call things over-designed?
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>>11695271
Let's not pretend that things can't be over-designed though. It can be a functional problem in serialized work that needs to keep itself consistent. It's why superhero costumes are usually pretty simple, for example, though that's not to say that any amount of complexity makes something over-designed.

Idiots use it as buzzword for 'not sleek' or sometimes 'not to my taste' because they think it disguises their bias. If you don't fucking like something, just be honest say you don't like it, and if you have actual concerns about something's worth or functionality, specify them. It's not that hard.
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>>11694378
It is. It doesn't have those ugly looking wing flap things on it's back, nor does it have vulcans in it's shoulders, or that stupid flip-top chest.

>>11695271
Ever wonder how autists want everything to have bells and whistles to make it gaudy and hideous as fuck?
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>>11695045
Mass produced type dick
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>>11694120
Both are shit.
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>>11695223
I preferred the chunky Valguard. Had a lot more personality than it's successor. Valzacard looks a tad too generic and pointy for my tastes. Good proportions on everything but the feet though.

There's only one shit design for a playable OG Mech in W, and it's the Valarm.
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>>11694120
>Why do upgrades always look like over-designed pieces of shit compared to the original?


Are you saying the Double Zeta was an over-designed piece of shit?
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>>11695045
>Eva gattai
What the fuck kind of throbbing veiny appendages are holding them together?
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>>11695747
It's a fat brick shithouse that can barely move at all. Jewdough would be better off using the old zaku he picked up for spare parts.
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>>11695765
A little bit mean tbh
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>>11694361
>>11695054
>>11695048
Devil Z has pupils, it's not really an upgrade though
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>>11694120
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>this whole thread
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There has been a lot of Shin Getter hate recently and I don't know if it is sincere or if people literally have brain damage and think G is better with its vomit inducing colour scheme. Lyger is by far the worst getter ever conceived with the other two G forms not far behind.
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Chin Getter a shit, but Shin Getter is the greatness for which all giant robots should aspire to
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>>11695925
Dragon's a worse version Getter 1, Poseidon takes all of the personality Getter 3 has and flushes it down the toilet, and I still don't know what the fuck is going on with Liger. It has a drill that's also a claw and fires missiles? Toei's color scheme is godawful, the manga version is only slightly better. Getter Zan was better than this shit.
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Mandatory 00 Gundam/Raiser mention.
lolspatulaswords
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>>11695925
Dragon's whole head is pretty badass. My favorite of all Getters.
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>>11694226
>Garmraid Blaze
Such a shame, i love the original...
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>>11695045

>Shinji yelling "ROKUSHIN GATAAAAIII!"

I want this.
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I love Shin Getter's football player build, sometimes I think the arm blades are a bit much though.
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I always liked how Shin Getter stayed to the basic design constraints of the original. It's still priarily simple, rounded shapes making up a design that can be recognized as a product of classic Super Robots.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I hate how Genesic GaiGaiGar takes a wonderful Takara/Brave mecha design and completely overdesigns it into an overwhelming mess of shapes and pointy bits.
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>>11694226
I like the Rein Weissritter's design, I think it's a good blend of alien and technological elements.

And Riese is literally just making it an even larger brick than the original was and I find that very endearing in a way.
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>>11695982
I find Poseidon so ugly, it's endearing.
He's not Getter 3 though. In fact he's more in line with Boss Borot.
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>>11696045
It doesn't look alien though. Just looks like it's trying to cosplay as a vampire or some shit.
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>>11695765
I actually like ZZ a lot more with the Full Armor Module, which makes it even more of a fat brick shithouse.

I'm not sure why. It's probably because it has so many missiles.
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>>11696064
Hey, if you're going to make a fat brick shithouse, you might as well go all the way.
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>>11696019
Solvrius Reginia isn't the real upgrade and WHY ISN'T IT A FUCKING CENTAUR YOU HAD ONE JOB BANPRESTO jesus christ it stands on its fucking guns when it has a perfectly good pair of legs right there god is dead.

I agree with you on everything except Banpreios and Garmraid Blaze, though. I like Blaze form G a lot. Banpreios isn't any more of a clusterfuck than the SRX was, and that's part of that series' charm.

Dracodeus is the definition of clusterfuck, and the tiny overdetailed sprite makes it even worse.
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im going to be honest here

original getter robo looks retarded. big chunky barrel man with a yellow nappy.

shin getter and getter g look much better. go has a good design but bad colours.
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>>11695982
>Getter Zan
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>>11696085
why is getter zan ninja themed anyways?
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>>11696083
im going to be honest here

get some taste
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>>11696090
Ishikawa liked Ninjas. And Dinosaurs. And guns. And guns that shoot missiles. And Demons. And Giant Robots.

But mostly he liked Dinosaurs.
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>>11696207
You forgot axes.
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Can someone please explain the love for Shin Getter?

Without just saying "LOOK HOW PERFECT IT IS, YOU MUST HAVE SHIT TASTE", please.
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>>11696373
It's just a fairly cool-looking robot with cool powers which has a really cool element of suspense surrounding it in its manga.

People loving Getter in general helps a lot.
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>>11694196
>Gunleon Magna Mode
>Bad
Man fuck you
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>>11696373
Cool mecha designs.
Over the top battles.
Super hardcore, take-no-shit pilots.

In many ways, Getter is the antithesis of 'morality tale' mecha series, like Gundam, with it's anti-war vibe, or Evangelion, with it's focus on interpersonal understanding.

Getter Robo says, "FUCK THAT. DINOSAURS BLEW UP OUR CITIES. WE ARE GOING TO FUCK THEM TO DEATH WITH GREEN LASERS, FOREVER."

There is no morality here. The bad guys are giant lizards. The good guys are all fucking insane. Everything explodes forever, and it is glorious.
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>>11696373
I can only speak from an aesthetic standpoint, because I haven't actually seen anything Getter, but I think Shin has better proportions and a few interesting design elements.

Still like the original though.
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>>11696410
I mean the robot.
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>>11696410
He means the design of Shin Getter, not the series itself.
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>>11696410
He meant the robot.

>>11696413
Shin's proportions aren't too different from Go's or the lesser known Prototype Getter.
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>>11696420
Oh.
Well, more or less same answer. It's the stuff we like in /m/, but more of it. Sleek lines. Powerful proportions. Edges, but not TOO many edges.

It transforms. It's got a cape. It's got multiple forms, a giant fucking axe, and it's special attacks are batshit awesome.

Shin Getter is just like /m/, but cranked up to 11, without being a parody of the genre.
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>>11696436
this is why the only people who like getter fans are getter fans
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>>11696444
wat?
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>>11696373
It looks good. What else can you say? It's a unique design that manages to be an inhuman humanoid. Shin Getter itself in the context of Getter combines the best aspects of the original with the updated body design reminiscent of Go. It's a simple, yet distinctive design. It manages to invoke the Getter image without being too derivative of past models.
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>>11696373
>>11696545
https://archive.moe/m/thread/11446704/#11452432
This, essentially. It combines the iconicness of the original with the proportions of Go in a way that looks very appealing.
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>>11696425
>Shin's proportions aren't too different from Go's or the lesser known Prototype Getter
I'm not saying they're different, I'm just giving a reason why I like Shin's design over the original's.
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>>11696545
Also, it sort of just bleeds a sense of predatory power. It's probably the long limbs that do it, but it feels like something that is going to rip your head off and eat it. It's intimidating.
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>>11694310
Shoulders, I agree with. Pupils, well, read the manga.
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>>11696373
It has a menacing look, looks buff and the design resembles a lot the original Getter, Kinda like Mazinkaiser, it's not too different like say Getter Dragon/Neo/Gou. and the Pupils make the Getter look even more menacing, hell mechs with pupil often look menacing
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>>11694120
They need to look different somehow or they wouldn't really be upgrades, dumbo.
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>>11694120
While I like Shin Getter, I do in fact prefer Getter-1 over all other Getters.
Flowy cape or 70's metal sheet cape, it's all good.
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>>11697405
I disagree.
I may get flak for this, but when see a mech with pupils I think of SD Gundam.
And I cannot take any mech with them seriously.
The pink-ninja Getter Rekka looks more dangerous than Shin Getter as a result to me.
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>>11694143
>Hating on G
>Defending Shin

I want to force a getter tomahawk in your anus
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>>11697802
I have to agree with him, G looks pretty ugly compared to original Getter.
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>>11697815

The Dragon is okay, but the other configurations are hideous. The Poiseidon looks like a distant cousin of Boss Borot while the Rygar...ugh...
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http://blog.livedoor.jp/hacchaka/archives/51934525.html
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>>11697869
>that waist

I understand why they did it like that but that is hideous.
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Does that make Getter Go the best? Since it's a downgrade of Getter Robo.
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>>11697878

I agree. Those cool poses are ruined by the approximations needed to reach that level of posability.
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>>11695313
over-designed usually betrays a bias towars "minimalist" designs, which isn't really a concern for asian aesthetics which tends towards what we deride as "over-designed".

Look at mega pokemon and genwunners who hate on nearly anything post gen 1 because they're "overdesigned". Now, I agree that the design philosophy for megas is kinda bad, but I can see why they went with it, and liking purely gen1 designs and deriding later designs for being too complex or whatever is fucking dumb for plenty of reasons
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>>11697802
>Preferring G in any form to Shin Getter

You're a rare breed around these parts anon.
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>>11697853
>The Poiseidon looks like a distant cousin of Boss Borot

I can't unsee it now.
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>>11698178
It's the doofy face.
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>>11696444
Explain.
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>>11694120
you forgot the edgy death super axe scythe and the retarded fucking wings
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>>11698260
I could understand some people hating the wings but only massive faggots would hate the Tomahawk.
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>>11697853
>>11698178
>they have the same color face they must be related

You're like a monkey that can only identify things by colors
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>>11698289
Except that that's not the only similarity between the two. The entire form and silhouette of Poseidon's design looks like a vertically stretched version of Boss Borot with different colours.
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>the number of people who hate the Getter G designs and Shin Getter designs in this thread

I don't even know.
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>>11698314
Shin is fine, G isn't.
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>>11698304
>The entire form and silhouette of Poseidon's design looks like a vertically stretched version of Boss Borot with different colours.

No, it really doesn't. Go back to bongland.
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>>11694120
To me, someone who saw the newer version before the old one, the old one looks like horseshit.

This isn't about which is objectively better, its about which you were exposed first that you see as the first and emotionally not being able to deal with change.

I'm sure the original has incredible merit but I'd honestly rather have the other one on my shelf every fucking time.

The original to me just looks like a red overweight batman wearing its underwear on the outside with Master Gundam's head and Optimus Prime windows on it.

The newer one looks unique, like it fukken lifts and eats its vitamins. It looks angry. Chunky, but not overweight: Stocky. Powerful. And above all, angry.

And I'm sure my opinion is very unpopular. But its identical to yours, just from the other perspective: Accepting change is hard. Its why AC4/5 fags bicker so much normally.
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>>11698366
Do you actually think Poseidon looks good then?
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Sad fact of the day: People would rather argue about this old cartoon and defend it than actually watch it.
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>>11698370
Why do you type like such a faggot? And last time I checked, batman had vertical stubs and not angled horns.
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getter > getter g > shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shin getter
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>>11698404
me > shit >>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>> you
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>>11695036
For shame. Those designs along with Trident were the best things that ever came out of the franchise.
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>>11698382
1) Pretty funny considering I'm functionally by definition unable to BE a faggot. Go back to your sausage-fest anon. I can hear your tummy rumbling from here.

2) Back cover art by Bob Kane (inks by Jerry Robinson) in Detective Comics #38, April 1940, DC Comics. It sold for $565,525.00 on August 1st, 2013 via the national Herritage Company. This is by and large when Batman hit real circulation and became popular, after this getting his own line of comicbooks outside of Detective Comics that started in 1941 and when his look was cemented. You'd be right if you meant the first issue where they were purple without decoration or the second appearance where the batsuit had no gloves at all but scallopped fins are a big part of Batman's appearance and appear consistent on almost every version of him in some form or another. The fact I, someone who honestly couldn't give two shits about Batman (I think its pretty boring) knows more about it than you do.
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>>11698584
Hah. I missed the rest of that last sentence. Shit, tell you what anon, I'll leave it to your imagination.

You're probably one of those types who's so hellbent on trying to be wrapped up in his own ego that nothing I could say could come close to some of the things you hate about yourself. The best part is if I leave it open like that, you can practically hear me saying it.
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>>11698584
>>11698594
Now that's some mad. Or autism. Or both. Probably both.
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>>11698839
Little column A. Little column B.
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What if I like both the original, AND Shin Getter?
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>>11699134
Then you have good taste.
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>>11696436
the thumbnail looked like Kittan
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>>11699467
same animator, same character
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>>11701041
what
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