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Do people actually like the Gelgoog? Because I always thought

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Do people actually like the Gelgoog? Because I always thought this thing was incredibly ugly but this is Zeon's mainline combat suit of the future and has a billion variants.
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I personally thought it looked like a piggy. Especially the Char's custom.

Cute piggies.
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>>11123749

It does, but a mohawked pig with fat legs and a skirt isn't what I want in my space nazi robot.
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>>11123758
>mohawked pig
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The models aren't very posable, either.
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>>11123744
>Do people actually like the Gelgoog?
Nah, not a fan.
I thought the Dom/Rickdom was the chosen one other than the Zakus.
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>>11123744
I like it. Not my favorite filthy zeek suit, but I think it looks cool.
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From the moment I laid eyes on the Gelgoog I hated it. The giant arms, the surfboard shield, the skirt, the legs, the head, the torso.... shit's just bad looking.
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>>11123836
Especially when you put it next to the Zaku II or Gouf.
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never cared for the plain Gelgoog, but Gelgoog Marine and Jager. then yeah i like those.
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>>11123855
This.
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The problem with the Gelgoog IMO is that the worst parts of it are extremely busy like the pig head and the chunky legs, and the parts that could actually stand to be a little more defined like the torso and skirt are too simple.
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I like it quite a bit, just not as much as the other OYW Zeon suits, GM or Gundam.
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>>11123867
this
There are things I like about it like the torso and skirt/legs but instead the most distinctive feature also happens to be not to my liking
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I like it, it's rightfully meaner looking than the Zaku or Dom design. The Zaku is even more pigheaded-looking than the Gelgoog, with a snout and all.
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>>11123867
It was like they looked at the DOM after it replaced the Gouf and was like

>The skirt is powerful; Sasuga Zeon
>We need to make another MS with a skirt.
> Not just a skirt but how about a shield? Shields! Yea! With beam tech built in it, now we are on track.
>What Else do we need?
>A Mohawk?
>What does it do?
>Nothing!
>Fix that put an antenna in it.
>Anything else?
>Two Words; Laser Partisan
> Sieg Zeon?
>Sieg Zeon!
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>>11123867
>busy
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I like the Gelgoog. I think the issue is that the line art is in a really unflattering position.
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>>11123938

This is the Gundam equivalent of a facebook fat chick shot.
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>>11123944
but it's not hiding any fat curves
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You sure it's not just the lineart/0079 animation?

I've always been a fan. It's just that the old art doesn't do it any favours. Sure, I love the Jaeger and the Marine but even the original looks good from most angles.
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>>11123958
Part two of my case.
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I've never been able to find a model at any of the stores i've visited. I assume theyre either really popular or everyone hates them.
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>>11123963
>>11123958

Can't get over that head design.
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>>11123744
>Because I always thought this thing was incredibly ugly
Yes, thats whats good about it, same with other zeon suits.
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>>11123744

I don't think it looks that great in any art or animation to be honest, but I really like how it looks in games.

Gelgoog Jager is top tier also
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>>11123980

But the other Zeon suits aren't incredibly ugly, they have just the right amount of ugliness that makes them look intimidating/cool/"grunt-like"/rough/military. The Gelgoog is just ugly.
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>>11123973
>Can't get over that head design.
That's one of the reasons I cant bring myself to like the baseline Gyan.
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Gelgoog Jager is sex itemized.
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>>11123973
Really? It kind of makes me think of some kind of avian Zaku.
It almost looks like a Zaku I head for me but with a beak and bird-like crest.

>>11123992
The main thing stopping me from liking the Gyan is its bellbottom ankles and feet. Not even the Gyan Vulvan lets me see past that.
Might get the valuable pod someday though.
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>>11124014
*Gyan Vulcan.
Good lord.
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>>11124014

The thing about the Gelgoog head is there's too much going on there. It's got these visor highlights, pig nose, and mohawk, and horn. If you took out the mohawk, or kept the mohawk and removed the pig nose, or removed the visor highlights and kept the pig snout, it'd be okay, but all this shit on one head is just weird.

Also even if it's off topic I want to see some modded Gyans.
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>>11123973
It is pragmatics. The pig nose is actually an armored layer over internal energy pipes similar to those of the Zaku. If you look at head schematics, the Gelgoog and Dom both still have them, they're just underneath armor. That's also why their legs and waists/chests get bulkier in later Zeon designs. They're just designing armor around pipes, which still take up space.

The weird eye set is to allow for extended vision beyond even that of the RX-78 and GM's in terms of visibility. The often said addage is "Mono eye are superior for ranged shooting, as they give more mobility of sight than dual eyes/visors, but at close range they lack the wide peripheral vision of the federation mobile suits." In this case, it it can extend quite far in every direction before the MS has to physically move its head.

Finally, I'm checking over some books to reaffirm, but I'm pretty sure that the mohawk is meant to be communications equipment and/or house for targetting sensors/radar/secondary cameras to look behind the MS.
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>>11123744
>but this is Zeon's mainline combat suit of the future and has a billion variants

I don't really remember seeing the Gelgoog too much outside of MSG. Maybe it appears in some side material, but Zaku variants are much more common.

I personally hate how the cockpit hatch is just a big hole smack in the middle of the gut like that though.
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>>11124041
Oh. Before I disappear to book land. The weird upper part of its head is a blast shield for the mono-eye. When something like a bazooka goes off nearby, it can move it up into the protected area and get some limited vision form the two peek slots on either side.
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>>11124041

I'm impressed but at the end of the day, it still doesn't look very good.
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>>11124033
Gyan only sees variants in Giren's Greed and card games sadly. Giren introduced an entire line parrelling Gelgoogs for Gyan. Gyan Kreiger is the Gelgoog Jaeger.
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>There are actually people who don't like the Gyan head
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>>11124084
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>>11124100
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>>11124084
G Gen will occasionally feature variants.
Only a couple of them though.
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>>11123744
I do, but it's very much an acquired taste. Took me a while to really appreciate them, but ReGelg is a fucking sexy suit. I'm pretty sure that's what made my opinion slowly shift.
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You know, I used to not care for it but it is a suit that really grew on me.
>Dem leg thrusters
>Dat performance
>Dem customs
I agree the head could be improved. (I always thought it just kinda slimmed down to a square part and then that was it, rather than a bunch of stuff on its nose. That'd be my only improvement)
Still, it is a suit that has to grow on you I think, kinda like the Zogok. I hated that thing, but seeing it in Unicorn + games made me appreciate how silly parts of it were.
Still, the gelgoog holds a special place in my heart. It also has some bitching variants.
Daily reminder johnny ridden fucked a gundam in a zaku
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>>11124120
Regelgu was turning point for me as well. I liked Gelgoogs a lot before, but Regelgu (and Jaeger from 0080) catapulted them to favourite space-type Zeon suit.
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i like the gelgoog but not as much as kem or this!
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I like the Gelgoog and its variants when not drawn by Okawara, other designs make the head look good. If I was going to be Zeek filth I'd go with a Gelgoog, or Zaku II Fz
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I love it. Its a mean looking motherfucker. Have a pic of my MG im working on. As far as the kit goes they did a bad job designing the knees but everything else is good.
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>>11124149
Well what is it precious?
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>>11124182
W-water melon Gelgoog?
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>>11124186
Given the markings and the look, I think it's supposed to be a Sleeves Kaempfer with a heat blade instead of a beam sabre
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>>11124149
That's a custom scratchbuild for some competition. You'll never see it in anything.

And its story is that it's a Sleeves psycoframe Kaempfer made for ANOTHER Puru clone.
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>>11124249
That sounds crazy, but not a Kaempfer slapped onto a nuclear missile crazy.
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I like Gelgoog. I think the shoulder armor is its defining feature and what makes me like them better than Dom.
I mean, Dom has equally large lower legs and skirt, but their shoulders are tiny resulting in weird proportion.
Gelgoog's large shoulder and more ornate head kinda balance the overall proportion IMO.
The oval shield, empty backside, and bright yellow naginata are acquired taste however I still can't get over the original beam rifle. It's just too small and dinky.
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>>11123744
Honestly? No, I don't like that much the Gelgoog

Now the Efreet, THAT is a suit who doesn't get enough love
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>>11123855

That looks a bit too SEED like
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>>11124344

Looks like Shin Matsunaga's Gelgoog Jeager to me.
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I love the Gelgoog. Have ever since I was young.
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>>11124672

Are you a Moblin?
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>>11124673
Yes. Yes I am.
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>>11124189
Are you me?
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>>11124330

I disagree with you about the Gelgoog, it's a nice design, I like the no back pack, thrusters all over bit, the Dom like bulk, and the face.

That said, I fully agree with you Efreet is an underrated design. Gihren's Greed really made me fall in love with it, since it's Zeon's only ground unit that can feasibly beat an RX 78 2 untill Gelgoog/Gyan.
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>>11123744
Wasn't the Gelgoog a better MS than the RX-78-2 Gundam?
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>>11124192
It's a custom made gunpla. The Greifer I believe.
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>>11124691

The standard mass production type is slightly worse, and the S Type's stats' are mostly unknown.
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>>11124691
in what way? specs say worse acceleration and armor. it doesn't have magnetic coating either.
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>>11124691
It's pretty damn close. Gelgoog is just a smidge slower. The difference is pretty minor.
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>>11124691
This makes me curious, did Zeon have anything comparable to the RX-78-2 Gundam?
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>>11124733
I remember a thread from a few days ago, some tripfag claimed the Gelgoog S type had a better generator as well as less armor for higher acceleration but couldn't come up with a source. Other people replied with model kit diagrams of thrusters and model booklet specs that pointed out that the MP Gelgoog had extra thrusters that the S type didn't, and that both the MP and the S type had the same weight
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>>11124790

S Type Gelgoog is presumably faster (actual stats unknown), but would still share the armor disadvantage, with an unknown 180 Degree turn speed. Most of Zeon's Mobile Armors would have wrecked it had Amuro not been the pilot.
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>>11124686
>>11124691
Ohoho. Time for the big time gunota to step in. Finally my years of trolling japanese sites and sources has paid off.

Yes. There are several variants of the Gelgoog which are equal or better than the RX-78-2.

MS-14A is slightly weaker than the Gundam, as previously stated.

The YMS-14 or early production type is different from the commander type, though they're similar in specs. It's got higher performance than the normal MS-14 as it was made to show off the unit, not to be mass produced.

But it is weaker than the MS-14S, which is basically equal or better than the RX-78-2 in everything but acceleration.

The MS-14B or the high mobility gelgoog is bascially equal to the G-3 and extra curricular gundams from the MSV. So it surpasses the RX-78-2 in performance by equipping a high mobility backpack.

The MS-14BR was a limited production rollout of the MS-14 for Aces fighting at A Bao Qu and features modified leg thrusters and a thruster backpack taken from the Zaku II High Mobility types.

The Gelgoog C is basically a MS-14A with a beam cannon on the back since they didn't have enough beam rifles to go around and wanted to give them some extra firepower. It's basically a beam bazooka that runs off the Gelgoogs generator. The C-1A Cannon type is a Cannon type combined with a high mobility type, and features a long range beam rifle as well. Basically Ace custom of the C.

The Gelgoog G is the ground type. It's basically one of the fastest land units in terms of running speed, as well as jet thrusters for rocket jumping and are equal to things like the Mudrock and Pale Rider. Because Zeon was retreating at this point, the only variant is the Desert type, which is just modified to work well in the desert.

That's it ignoring ace customs and the Jaegger/Marine.
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>>11124790
The Gelgoog is the closest thing. There are other machines that could beat the Gundam in one area, but nothing that was completely better in all aspects. The Galbaldy Alpha was going to be Zeon's ultimate MS but never reached production. Stats are unknown, but the Galbaldy Beta in Zeta is supposed to be a refinement of the design, and has average specs on the same level as the GM II.

In the original 52 episode outline of the MSG plot (not canon and never referenced after MSG was cut and rewritten), Char was going to get other machines after the Gelgoog.

http://gundam.aeug.org/archives/2001/04/0341.html

There's the MSN-01 Kikeroga, which is a prototype mobile suit that would lead to the Zeong, and has similar weapons (wire guided arms with finger beam guns and mega particle cannons in the shoulders). However, the Gundam upgraded with magnetic coating is more than enough and Amuro defeats the Kikeroga.

Char's endgame suit in episode 50 is called the Garaba. This one is a complete mystery, no idea on specs, armaments or even the design. The way the fight goes, both Amuro and Char are surprised and distracted by the solar ray firing. Amuro recovers before Char does and proceeds to tear the Garaba a new asshole or three.
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What makes the Gelgoog Marine different from the normal Gelgoog?

I honestly can't tell the difference between them if the Gelgoog Marine has popped its propellant tanks.
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>>11124852
Then you have Kaempfer. which canonically is pretty much the best Zeon ever made in terms of mobile suits. The Act Zaku, Pezun Dowage, and Galbaldy A, which are basically the next gen of Zeon mobile suits to replace the current lines.

Act Zaku uses a Gelgoog shield but has it's own beam rifle (Used by hizacks later) and 4 barrel vulcan gun,

The Dowage is a Dom whose chest cannon is a functional beam weapon, and can also use the beam bazooka or it's own custom giant as well as a 8 barrel 420mm rocket launcher held with both hands.

The Galbaldy is the Gelgoog+Gyan hybrid. It has the Beam rifle and a similar shield to the Gelgoog, but uses high output beam sabre like the Gyan.

Or side story units, like the Dolmel which is basically the penultimate zeon unit if you count a unit from single snes fighting game as anything besides cool looking.

Finally you have some Gyan's from Giren's Greed which are basically Gyan versions of the Gelgoogs, including Jaeger and Marine, making them possible candidates.

The issue is that we really don't know what Axis are really doing between the 0079 and Zeta period, outside semi canoncial materials like CDA. We know half of the Zeon remnants fled there, so they obviously developed new mobile suits designs to fill the gap between the OYW and Zeta, but they've never really been filled in by any form of media.
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>>11124852

> The Gelgoog C is basically a MS-14A with a beam cannon on the back since they didn't have enough beam rifles to go around and wanted to give them some extra firepower

Never read that explanation for it. As I understood, it was supposes to be a long range support variant, and could easily be converted to a B type, and vice versa. As I understand it, a small squadron of them single handedly destroyed a small fleet, and parts for 168 more were produced, but never built before the war ended.

> Jaegger

That one was part of the united maintenance plan, and as such shared parts with the Rick Dom II, and Zaku II Kai. It was also a capable sniper

> Marine

This one has always been a bit of a mystery to me, as it's stats are inferior to the A Type. Some people theorize this was an intentional cost cutting measure, however, when you compare the Delaz Fleet's Rick Dom IIs to the one's in Operation Stardust, the DF units have clearly inferior stats, leading me to believe the Gelgoog Marines stats may have been better during the OYW, and they were stripped down by the Cima Fleet due to dwindling supplies.
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>>11124874
Propellant tanks and different thruster ratios (Normal Gelgoog is roughly 20500kgx2, 2400x5kg. The Marine is 20500kgx3, 7000KGx4 as well a minor boost in reactor output, and the use of the Zaku I Spike Shield over the Gelgoog Zulu shield. It's acceleration is oddly marked at 0.68 as opposed to the normal gelgoogs 0.84, but I feel like this is it at odds with its official designation as consuming high amounts of fuel due to rapid acceleration and movement, and so I'm tempted to say it should be .86 instead.
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>>11124893

Operation Rubicon, rather.
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>>11124852
Is that you, Mark Simmons?
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They should have mass produced the Gyan instead.
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>>11124905

Did they finally take out that retarded penalty to use in space on the prototype Gyan in that version ?
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>>11124893
>11124893
It's a weird artifact of the ever increasing amount of Gundam Lore. Basically, to rectify the fact that every Zeon unit seems to have its own beam rifle, they decided that Beam Rifles were such a new technology to Zeon that many units were use custom made beam rifles by their local manufacturing plants rather than the standardized type that appeared at the very end of the war. And since they were custom make-ups, they didn't have very many of them.

This meant that they theoretically had more Gelgoogs than beam rifles. Some were given Giant Bazooka and the MMP-80 machine gun. According to the Japanese wiki and other sites, they decided that they would use weapon that drew mega particles from the reactor rather than from a condensed form in an E-cap, similar to the amphibious mobile suits in order to compensate for the lack of working beam rifles. So it's basically a mega particle cannon like that of the gogg, which was reactor driven, and the beam bazooka of the Rick Dom II series, which is driven by a portable reactor. IT just substitutes the portable reactor for the more powerful Gelgoog reactor and mounts it on the shoulder, giving it unlimited fire as long as the reactor can keep up.
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>>11124931

Only if they take out the space mines in favor of either grenade launchers or more ammunition for the Needle Missiles.
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>>11124930
I wish. I don't read Japanese well enough to be a true Gunota, as I can't read the text heavy books like MS-06 Archives, or the information bibles. I mostly just have a vast knowledge collected from numerous sources..

including having a large group of Japanese Gundam Fans who I can discuss particulars with or ask for direct translations of what I don't understand
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>>11124673
Goblins here, Moblins are for losers
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I love me some Gelgoogs
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>>11124941
>>11124931
The thing sorely needs ranged weapons outside of the needle missiles before you can even consider MP.
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>>11124956

If I'm not mistaken, the Needle Missiles could even shred Gundarium, they'd be able to make minced meat of a GM.
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>>11124956
>>11124941

Give it a different backpack with a long range cannon, and add an integrated arm cannon/vulcan. Keep a few space mines in reserve. Bam, I just won Space Hitler the war.
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>>11124963
>Give it a different backpack with a long range cannon, and add an integrated arm cannon/vulcan.

GG already has you covered
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>>11124852
>[YMS-14] got higher performance than the normal MS-14 as it was made to show off the unit, not to be mass produced.
I call shenanigans. The YMS-14 is just a preproduction testing model. There's nothing to indicate it had higher performance. Do you have a source other than "it's for showing off, it must be better"?

>MS-14S, which is basically equal or better than the RX-78-2 in everything but acceleration.
That's just completely wrong. The YMS-14 is the same machine as the MS-14S, they were relabeled the MS-14S because they gave out those preproduction machines to commanders and aces to use. I'm betting you don't have a source for saying the Gelgoog Commander is better than the Gelgoog in everything except acceleration. I doubt a MS-14S has better armor than the Gundam.

>The MS-14B or the high mobility gelgoog is bascially equal to the G-3 and extra curricular gundams from the MSV.
How the hell do you figure that? The G3 is the testbed for the magnetic coating and was built from the remains of the ruined RX-78-2 units that were left at side 7. The magnetic coating was also applied to the RX-78-2, making the -2 and the -3 pretty much identical, except for the colors.

Besides, the Gelgoog B type which just has a backpack with extra thrusters can't compare to the NT1 or the RX-78-4/5/7, for example.

>So it surpasses the RX-78-2 in performance by equipping a high mobility backpack.
True.

>The MS-14BR.. ..features modified leg thrusters and a thruster backpack taken from the Zaku II High Mobility types.
Wrong, the Gelgoog BR type has the backpack from the Gelgoog B type, not the Zaku II high mobility R series. It's called the "BR" type because it's a Gelgoog B type with additional *leg* thrusters that resemble the Zaku II R types.

>The Gelgoog C is basically a MS-14A with a beam cannon on the back
No, the beam cannon is attached to the backpack of the MS-14B.
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>>11124969

Best GG Gyan reporting in.
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>>11124972

Actually, Gelgoog Hi Mo is superior in performance, and sensor range to Gundam Unit 4, and 5
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>>11124976
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>>11124972
>>11124852
DId you "Gelgoogle" all of this?
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>>11124972
YMS-14 is usually labelled as a seperate unit than the MS-14S in terms of games and books. The YMS-14 is usually labelled clearly as "Pre-Production Type" and the Commander "Commander Type". They're only joined together because Char uses a YMS-14 and they needed to explain why he was also using a MS-14S at the same time. So we're both right. You will see some sources claim they're seperate units, and some source claim they're the same. It depends on who is in charge.

However, the MS-14A is the mass production model and is marked as being slightly inferior than the custom models due to its being mass produced. So it was given to new recruits, as opposed to older aces who were given custom variations.

>>11124987
Explains the G-3 stuff. The MS-14B and MS-14BR are basically "The" ultimate" gelgoog. Assigned to the best aces, such as Shin Matsunaga and Johnny Ridden, it's usually pitted against gundam variants and MSV's.

>>11124972
Wrong? The backpack of the high mobility type is stolen from the High Moblility Zaku, as the normal Gelgoog (MS-14 and YMS-14A) don't have backpacks. The BR has the addition of the leg thrusters in the style of the MS-06R series to complete the package. But I'm fairly sure the MS-14BR thruster pack and MS06R are very similar.

>The Gelgoog C is basically a MS-14A with a beam cannon on the back

That's the C-1A it's specifically mentioned to be a high mobility type combined with a cannon type. The normal C is a normal gelgoog using a beam cannon to suppliment the lack of beam rifles and later to provide ranged support ala guncannons
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>>11124972
Do you realize how prototypes work? They almost always overclock whatever it uses to see the extent of its capabilities and to look where they can scale back for mass production.

Like the Gundam and the GM.
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>>11124969
Hnnnnngggg

oh goddamn where has that been all my life?
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>>11124987
No, the Gelgoog High Mobility type has worse performance. The G04 and G05 have better weapons, armor, mobility, and reactor power than the MS-14B. The Gelgoog B is only slightly faster in straight acceleration.

http://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?p=239392
>These machines were of course based on the RX-78-2, and the replacement of the backpack and the addition of thrusters and propellant raised their mobility by roughly 40 percent.
The MS-14B's mobility is higher than the RX-78-2, but I doubt it's over 40% higher that it could beat the G04 and G05.

>The biggest change was the elimination of the core block escape system. The resulting space was used for cooling systems, thus increasing the generator output and enabling the use of more powerful beam weapons. As a result, the armament was upgraded to include an enhanced hyper beam rifle, and one beam gun was installed in each forearm.
I'm assuming the hyper beam rifle is better than the Gelgoog's beam rifle. MAHQ doesn't list beam forearm guns in its articles for the G04 and G05, but they can be seen in the original lineart. The updated G04/G05 lineart made by Katoki has the beam forearm guns slightly hidden, but they still seem to be there.
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>>11125003

I'm sorry, but you're blatantly wrong.
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>>11125017
Gelgoog has access to a Hyper Rifle. It's most often associated with Gato's Gelgoog, but you see it used by other units as well, such as the Desert Gelgoog. There is also a high-powered long range verison that is mentioned in the C-1A's info

Unit 04 and 05 by specs have lower speed and equal reactor to the Hi mob Gelgoog. The Hi Mob gelgoog is also variable in power, as things like Johnny Ridden's Chimera Corps variant being "tuned to the point of being almost unique machines", and thus entering into true gundam territory.
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>>11125026
I suppose I should make this clear. There are multiple versions of the MS-06R. I'm thinking specifically of the MS-06R-3S
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>>11125017

Everything we know about their mobility gives the edge to Gelgoog Hi Mom and I challenge you to prove me wrong.

The armor is a moot point since they can both destroy each other in a single shot, but the Gundams do have an advantage in firepower.
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>>11125028

The Hi Mo can also equip arm mounted grenade launchers which bridges the firepower gap.

Also, his comment about "only slightly faster" is an intentional attempt as deception, the gap between G04/5, and Gelgoog Hi Mo is the same as the gap between Gelgoog A, and Rick Dom.
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>>11124943
Hm, nice.
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>>11125002
Dammit anon
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>>11125003
>YMS-14 is usually labelled as a seperate unit than the MS-14S in terms of games and books.
Games and books usually tend to be second rate sources. Especially things like Gihren's Greed which allow and encourage players to play fast and loose with canon. I haven't seen any media that depicts them as being different machines, do you have an example?

>They're only joined together because Char uses a YMS-14 and they needed to explain why he was also using a MS-14S at the same time.
Are you saying different sources erroneously said he was using both at the same time so both were merged into the same unit? I've never heard that explanation before. Most sources just say the prrproduction Gelgoog units built in October were initially labeled YMS-14 and then later changed to MS-14S when handed over to aces for combat use.

MS Illustrated which began printing in 1988 and has been updated every few years lists them as being the same machine, MS-14S just being an alternate model number in parentheses.

http://www.ultimatemark.com/gundam/mscatalog.html

>The backpack of the high mobility type is stolen from the High Moblility Zaku, as the normal Gelgoog (MS-14 and YMS-14A) don't have backpacks.
No, you're misunderstanding, I'm saying the Gelgoog BR type has the backpack from the Gelgoog B type.

>That's the C-1A it's specifically mentioned to be a high mobility type combined with a cannon type.
I'm not referring to the C-1A. Both the C type and C-1A type are derived from the high mobility B type. The difference is that the C-1A has improved modularity that allows it to swap between a high mobility backpack and a backpack with a beam cannon.

>The normal C is a normal gelgoog using a beam cannon to suppliment the lack of beam rifles and later to provide ranged support ala guncannons
Then where does the C-type's beam cannon mount on?
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>>11125104
>>11125104
It's not as hard as you think. The issue with most japanese people is that they have low english skills or perceive their skills as low. Most if this is because being used to a language with dozens of words for one thing, from honorifics to very contextual words that English reusing the same word in many circumstances does not compute and so they just default to assuming they don't know the word.

Also, they don't get much practice and they're generally shy and easily embarassed people. NO ENGLISH, is usually less xenophobia, and more that nobody can communicate in english beyond that phrase. Some are better than others, and when they can communicate, they're usually eager too. For example, I have one friend who has almost zero enlglish--but I've learned to use a mixture of pigin japanese, little bits of english he knows, and google translate to discuss multiple topics with him. All you need is the perceverence to keep trying and someone with the patience or will to let you try.

Since my japanese is poor, my communications with my friends is mostly like that with corrections if we're completely incomprehensible. It's completely possible to become the token gaijin of a group of Japanese. I'll tell you how I did itt.

They usually hang out on Japanese games and Japanese places, so really the language barrier is on our side. So you have to take the plunge. Try a japanese MMO or other type of game like Mahjong. It's what I did. I played silently until I got good enough I had JP players looking to recruit me as a friend or clan member. I rebuffed with the opposite of usual "No good Japanese language, sorry" until I found people who spoke english. Then you find some are xenophobic and some are the reverse, they wanted a gaijin friend because it's cool and gives them western knowledge/cred. And since I was good at the game, I had the added value necessary to get their patience in learning to communicate with me.
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>>11125149

He's actually partially right, the Gelgoog Cannon's back pack is different from the HI Mo, aside from the addition of a cannon, it clearly has less vervains.
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>>11125150
That's sounds like good advice. Thank you kind anon.
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Hrmmm, depending on the lineart, the Gelgoog can either be completely retarded looking, or downright fierce and rather kickass. Depending on the variation and artist, the Gelgoog is a beast.

Some designs are seriously cluttered to shit, and the art from the 0079 MSG version is god awful. When the art changes in things such as 0083 and 0080, the unit is downright perfect.

As someone who used to think it looked pants-on-head retarded, I can happily say that with proper design and basic aesthetic appeal, the Gelgoog is one of the best designs in Gundam. Though not my favorite, it's pretty damn good.
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>>11125149
>>11125149
Canon is a very loose conception in Gundam. By talking High Mobility Gelgoog against Unit 04 and 05, we're already discussing MSV and going away from canon. So you can't pick and choose what you think is right and what is wrong. IF you think MSV is okay, than you're saying variations in general are okay, as long as they've been presented in multiple sources. I'm not making claims about the Gyan Kai.

On the Beam Cannon being there to suppliment lack of beam rifles, that's taken directly from the Japanese wikipedia article on the unit. Not having enough readily available e-caps, they made a mega particle cannon that worked off the Gelgoog's generator like the Aquatic MS or a Battleship.

For Char's Gelgoog. It's like the Old Zaku and Zaku dillemna. During original production, the Zaku II F and J had not even been differentiated from each other. That only came later. So Char's Gelgoog is the "only" commander type Gelgoog, but it's official designation is the YMS-14. Since there are no other commander type gelgoogs readily visible in the original series, this presented a dilemna. So the later retcons seperated the units. The YMS-14 is a pre-production type, but there is also a MS-14S which is a commander type. How similar or different they are depends on the game. The YMS-14 usually doesn't have a horn, where as the MS-14S does. But it's basically because later series had a pre-production type and commander type. It's perhaps viable that the YMS-14 became the MS-14S because it was already specced out, and the YMS-14 was tuned down from that initial output, while the MS-14S was tuned to the original output of the YMS-14, making them practically the same unit but not.

I'll concede to you on the C and C-1A backpack. Rereading the materials, the C type uses a modified backpack to compensate for the additional weight of the cannon, while the C-1A uses a backpack meant to combine the High Mobility Type and Cannon, and could switch to High Mobility.
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>>11125028
>Gelgoog has access to a Hyper Rifle. It's most often associated with Gato's Gelgoog, but you see it used by other units as well, such as the Desert Gelgoog.
Never heard of that one. Both MAHQ and even Gundam wiki don't mention an improved beam rifle for either type of Gelgoog. Do you have a picture or a link?

>There is also a high-powered long range verison that is mentioned in the C-1A's info
Yes, the beam sniper rifle, seen in the MSV-R Johnny Ridden manga.

>Unit 04 and 05 by specs have lower speed and equal reactor to the Hi mob Gelgoog.
You're right about lower speed, but not about the reactor. Gelgoog B type has reactor output of 1440 kW, G04 has output of 1550 kW and G05 has output of 1480 kW. marginally higher for the G05, but much higher for the G04.

>The Hi Mob gelgoog is also variable in power, as things like Johnny Ridden's Chimera Corps variant being "tuned to the point of being almost unique machines", and thus entering into true gundam territory.
That's hard to measure, but probably only Johnny Ridden's machine is that unique, it's highly unlikely that the rest of them are like that.

>>11125035
Do you have a picture of the R-3's backpack? I can't even find one. It's that obscure, I'd like to see how much the Gelgoog BR type's backpack matches it, even if the BR type's backpack is nearly identical to the B type backpack (see attached image).

>>11125040
>Everything we know about their mobility gives the edge to Gelgoog Hi Mom and I challenge you to prove me wrong.
The ONLY thing we know about their mobility is that Gelgoog High Mobility is equal to the RX-78-2 and the G04/G05 have 40% higher mobility than the RX-78-2. The thrust numbers we have are acceleration and don't tell us anything about mobility. Agility and straight line acceleration are different things.
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>>11125210

>>11125210

> Gelgoog High Mobility is equal to the RX-78-2

Source ?
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>>11125210
>Gelgoog Hyper Rifle
It's labelled as Trial Production B.R. But it's basically the same thing, improved output and range at the cost of ammunition.

>Unit 04 and Unit 05
Gundam Wikia states gundam 05 has 1480 kW and Gundam 04 has 1550 KW. Standard MS-14B is 1440 KW. So that's partially correct. However, we have to remember that raw reactor power is meaningless. The High Mobility Zaku have more than enough reactor power to use beam rifles, but were not able because all that power was routed towards its thrusters and mobility. The unit 05 is a better comparison ot the Gelgoog High Mobility, as they're basically the same unit. Still, Gelgoog is rocking 79900Kg of thrusters to unit 05's 70000KG and has 1.04 G's of acceleration to RX-78 88's. However, we don't know what the Gundam 05 + BST pack is rated at, I Imagine equal to Ridden's Gelgoog hi Mob or the like.

With the Unit 04, the extra power is there for the Hyper Mega Launcher Prototype, rather than to provide performance.

unfortunately, I can't even find a proper rear shot for it. I just know that it is the bridge between the MS-06 to Gelgoog, and from how it looks from what I've seen, it's the most similar.
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>>11125245

You forgot the picture buddy, but I got your back.
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>>11125082
>The Hi Mo can also equip arm mounted grenade launchers which bridges the firepower gap.
Are those from the Gelgoog Cannon? Then yes, it would be compatible and it could be installed.

>Also, his comment about "only slightly faster" is an intentional attempt as deception, the gap between G04/5, and Gelgoog Hi Mo is the same as the gap between Gelgoog A, and Rick Dom.
What the hell are you talking about? The Gelgoog High Mobility type has 1.04G of acceleration and the G04/G05 have 0.88G of acceleration. That's a difference of only 0.16G. Why would it be deceptive to say the Gelgoog was slightly faster?
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>>11125256

> Are those from the Gelgoog Cannon? Then yes, it would be compatible and it could be installed.

Yeah, but they apparently can be equipped on the B type as well.

> What the hell are you talking about? The Gelgoog High Mobility type has 1.04G of acceleration and the G04/G05 have 0.88G of acceleration. That's a difference of only 0.16G. Why would it be deceptive to say the Gelgoog was slightly faster?

Because, within the context, .16 is meant to be a big difference, seeing as that's the difference between Gelgoog, and Rick Dom, which is supposed to be significant. However, I do apologize for the rude implication.
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>>11124954

>that shield


I dont know about you but who thinks all that text looks aesthetically pleasing at all? I mean you look at a tank or a fighter or something and they dont have novels slapped to their flat edges, it just looks so bad with all dem words everywhere like that holy shit
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