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Whats your approach to reading?
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I am the pepe guy
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I am the pepe guy
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The pepe guy, I'm him.

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What does /lit/ think about Bukowski?
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>m-maybe if i drink alot and write about my ugly girlfriend ill be a famous writer too
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300 lbs whore

Old thread is dying and falling apart. Fresh thread = fresh eyes. Will critique as many posts after mine as I can between breaks at work. Crit for crit is encouraged; any and all works welcome.

Will post my stuff in first replies. Wrote a brief intro to practice progression and details. All advice welcome please. Could see this turning into a story.
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Air slipping through the partially declined window carries a cool dampness with it. Most of the heat from the day already left the car as evening washes over fading daylight. Parked away from any of the other vehicles in the lot, the car's lone occupant pulls to his driver's seat a thin, fleece throw-over from the backseat, covering his lower body. Already with his head to pillow, the driver's seat is fully reclined and receded. His face is reflecting a faint blend of yellow street light and luminous phone screen. The passenger's seat carries an old, worn green-plastic laundry basket filled with a blend of clean and dirty clothes alike. The floor below it supports three pairs of shoes. Among the shoes there is also an assortment of used books and plastic bottles, mostly water and coffee. The backseat is divided in two; one side is stacked with an additional blanket and pillow, a backpack containing more books, as well as toiletries and grooming supplies inbetween. The other side is empty, save a large portion of the seat being covered in a fuzzy green mold.

A woman's voice from outside the partially open window pulls the man's attention from his phone. "... yeah, he's just sittin' here. I've seen dis nigga the last few nights and I know he been stayin' inside sometimes too. Don't know why da fuck he be sleepin' in his car if dis creep got some nigga ta stay with. I got a child, I don't need ta worry 'bout some snatcha comin' n' snatchin' up my baby, Lord have mercy I'd kill that muthafucker. Been thinking 'bout calling the owner n' lettin' em know some nigga be trappin' n' makin me feel uneasy n' shit. Don't need a muthafucker poking round my business neither though. Might get Squeaky here ta take things into his hands. That nigga don't fuck around n' I know that shit'll definitely fix..." The voice fades away.

The man in the car locks his phone and reclines up after waiting a moment. He takes the pillow and blanket, returning them to the others in the backseat. Moving up the seat, he takes his keys from the laundry basket and starts the car. He has no idea who Squeaky might be, but the he has no intention of finding out. Driving his way through the convoluted streets of the apartment complex, he eventually reaches the exit and makes his way to the heart of the city, unsure of where to stay next. He pulls out his phone and begins texting someone under the name 'Shaunmanuensis': Won't be in the lot tonight. Some nigger being a nosey piece of shit spooked me off. I should be fine though. I'll be around tomorrow night. Got any idea where I can stay for like 40 bucks a night that won't get me shot or robbed? Was thinking the homeless shelter but I don't want my books or headphones to be stolen. Or am I being too racist here? I know things are worse in the city, but I just don't know how bad man, it sucks.

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Four intersections had been driven through before he finishes the text, and he honestly isn't sure if they were all green. He drives another few blocks further into the city before he gets a response on his phone: Don't really know Herm, sorry dude. Have you tried Barney? I know she has a bf, but maybe she'll let you crash there for a night. I doubt you'll find a place for 40$ though, you might have to go to the shelter.

Herman reads the text and sighs. He knows there's no way to stay at Bethany's with her bf. It'd be too weird after her and his few hookups in the past. Looking to his surroundings, Herman sees a McDonald's nearby and stops to enter. He asks for a soda and hands the cashier eleven dimes, telling her to keep the two pennies change. He sits in the farthest corner of the building, drinking slowly while looking up nearby motels and shelters to stay at. Sixty-five, fifty, fifty-nine, seventy--all the motels he can find are just out of his range. Hotels weren't even viable. There are three homeless shelters, one of which is in the western section of the city. The man messages Shaun asking him about what kind of neighborhood Willow Knolls is. A short response of 'Don't go there man" is all he receives.
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>>9599443
>General Citique

I'll give your thread title a 7 out of 10.

It's concise, direct, and pointed, but the spelling error does knock it down a few pegs from greatness.

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>A human being is spirit. But what is spirit? Spirit is the self. But what is the self? The self is a relation that relates itself to itself or is the relation's relating itself to itself in the relation; the self is not the relation but is the relation's relating itself to itself. A human being is a synthesis of the infinite and the finite, of the temporal and the eternal, of freedom and necessity, in short, a synthesis. A synthesis is a relation between two. Considered in this way a human being is still not a self.... In the relation between two, the relation is the third as a negative unity, and the two relate to the relation and in the relation to the relation; thus under the qualification of the psychical the relation between the psychical and the physical is a relation. If, however, the relation relates itself to itself, this relation is the positive third, and this is the self.

What did he mean by this?
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>>9623273
We had an identical thread a while back. I may have saved some of the contributions.

Here's the repost:

8959140>>OP:
Yes, this is one of my favorite writings by Kierkegaard. Thy Sickness Unto Death. What don't you understand?

What he is getting at here, is that the relation between physicality and psychicality is negative if not grounded in a source. In other words, if the relation of the two originates from the two themselves, and is not created but created by itself, it is a negative unity. If related to the thing that caused it, i.e. God, then the relation is a positive unity.

This is indeed an important concept in Kierkegaardian existentialism. Is there anything you don't concretely understand here?

8960721>>OP:
He is saying he human being is not a relation between equals but a relations between two different entities (our animal, material entity - finite - and our symbolical, meaningful entity - infinite). Therefore, human beings may not be a self. Being is not a state of the self but a condition regarding the relation between these two incompatible entities. We could only have a definite, integral self if those two were equal (thus, were relating to themselves: the self would be the relation of itself to itself).

It's not that hard, pleb.

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>>9623294
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I haven't read the work, but this is what I'm getting from the excerpt you've provided.

Kierkegaard is a Christian, so when he begins with, "A human being is a spirit," he is beginning with the a Biblical premise of man as a spiritual being in three parts - body, soul, and spirit.

Taken in the context of the entire excerpt, he equates these three parts with the physical man, the psychic man, and the self.

The two parts which are being "synthesized," in his view, are the physical man and the psychic man - or man's body and his mind, but not the part of his mind which deals with his identity, more so, simply, his cognitive functioning.

The self, the identity, is the byproduct, the negative - the third, of this physical-psychic interrelation.

>The self is a relation that relates itself to itself or is the relation’s relating itself to itself in the relation; the self is not the relation but is the relation’s relating itself to itself.

The self is the process of the psychic man relating to the body and vise-versa, and the experiences of the body - past, present, and potential.

It is not the relation itself, but the process of relating within the context of this physical-psychic relationship which births "self."

>In the relation between two, the relation is the third as a negative unity

In other words, it is a reflection of the interrelation between the body and the soul. I do not use the word "mind" because mind could potentially encompass the idea of self, whereas, for Kierkegaard, the soul is being equated with psychic functioning.

>Such a relation that relates itself to itself, a self, must either have established itself or have been established by another. If the relation that relates itself to itself has been established by another, then the relation is indeed the third, but this relation, the third, is yet again a relation and relates itself to that which established the entire relation.

This "self," or spirit, has either been birthed naturally out of the relationship between body and soul, or it was intentionally birthed by an outside force - for Kierkegaard, this is likely God. If it was created, he says, then it is truly the third part of this mind, body, spirit relationship, but even in that case it still is in the position of functioning as a byproduct of interrelation between the physical-psycho dynamics.

He concludes, therefore, that the spirit is a derivative of interrelationships which was created by an outside force, and because of that, must attempt to relate itself again, both to the context of the relationship between the psychic and the physical, and to the source of its origin - God, the infinite, or the eternal.
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Basically without God there is no true self it's pretty dumb I can't believe the brilliant mind who wrote Either/Or wrote this drivel but the role of his broken engagement can't be ignored in his philosophical suicide.

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what's a novel that deals with whether or not love exists and if it ismy just a biological impulse and if there is such a thing as a soul mate and woman aren't just picking based on male dominance hierarchies etc like these themes should be explored already like a million times which books do i read
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bump fags
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my diary desu
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I'm interested in this too

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Talk about something you've read, or a technique you're interested in seeing used/using.

I've been getting more and more difficult practices with meter, and I realized I can't think of specfic works that use a metrical pattern (as opposed to a standard meter). I've done it a few time and like the effect, but I'd love to see a good poet use some rigid pattern as opposed to 'standard' meter/free verse. Maybe I'm just not reading closely enough though.
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>>9622838
What do you take to be the difference between a standard meter and metrical pattern?
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>>9622852
I guess by 'standard meter' I mean one metrical foot being used (with substitutions sometimes) as opposed to a metrical pattern (the only one I can think of is Blake in Jerusalem) where a pattern of different metrical feet are used to create a new rhythm.

' - - ' - ' - ' this is the pattern for the following stanza in Jerusalem (as I read it):
Bring me my Bow of burning gold:
Bring me my arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire!

although that feels a bit of a simple pattern and parallelism works with it, but I'm also interesting in cases with less parallelism/repetition, but where the rhythm still comes through strongly.
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>>9622838
How do you tell the difference between soft and hard syllables? I find it difficult sometimes.

Also what is this image? I love it for some reason

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-- On to the sacred hill [ 25 ]
They led him high applauded, and present
Before the seat supream; from whence a voice
From midst a Golden Cloud thus milde was heard.

If Milton can say "from whence" then why can't I.
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Because the tone and idiom he uses is not the same we use today. Unless you want to write a deliberately archaized epic poem.
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>>9622835
Because you are not Milton.
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>>9622848
Is 'from whence' any more archaic than just 'whence' on its own? From what I've heard 'whence' means 'from where', so 'from whence' would mean 'from from where'. I raise the point because I was literally in a lecture a few days ago where the professor told us all never to say 'from whence' because it's ungrammatical, but then here's one the greatest English writers ever using that exact phrase. And there's no way he didn't know it was ungrammatical, i mean he studied Latin and Greek for like his whole of his education

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Is Herodotus required for the Greeks?
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>>9622261
yes
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>>9622281
I'm not really interested in history and I'm getting confused about all these fucking cities and regions.
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Herodotus is awesome, it's just so much fun. Easily the lightest reading of the Greeks.

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>hate actually using eyeballs to read books (i know i'm a retarded faggot who should kill himself)
>like audiobooks
>just started walking for hours at a time
>perfect time to start consuming a TON of books
>audible.com
>$15 FOR ONE FUCKING BOOK PER MONTH
is there a cheaper service or loophole?

i really don't want to be a retard, but i'll really never read a physical book...

torrents used to fill this void but it seems like those have mostly dried up.
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>>9622254

>$15 FOR ONE FUCKING BOOK PER MONTH

Really? They should just allow unlimited streaming like Netflix.
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>>9622254
youtube, retard, or look harder for torrents. mostly dried up, lol.
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>download ebook
>get one of those programs that speak ebooks
>any book you want in audiobook form

Needing some opinions right now feeling very confused and disenfranchised
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his main mistake is mistaking tankies for all of the left. Most leftists hate tankies anyways.
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>>9622082
Start with the Greeks and not Youtube, you won't be confused soon enough
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Name the fucking man you fucking autist. Was WHO right-wing?

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Was he right about Islam?
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I'm unfamiliar with what he wrote, is this what you're referring to?

>As Jean Baudrillard argues there is a “reduction of Islam [and Muslims] to” the representations Fundamentalism and Orientalism, or terrorism and oppression, “not to destroy but to domesticate [them]...and the symbolic challenges” they represent “for the entire West” (Baudrillard, 1995: 28).
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He was right about everything.

>but it would be helpful if you posted the goddamn quote in question dontcha think
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>>9621826
I just want to get a /pol/ thread going, lad :)

in love matters, a man should listen to his heart or his reason?
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>>9621669
You are on the literature board. Can you please fuck off to /r9k/ or some shit?
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>>9621669
>>/adv/
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>>9621675
president of my country taught me not to abide by the rules. if you're against my thread, you're against america.

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holy kek, his essay ''on women'' changed my life
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>>9621572
How?
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women are destroying Western Civilization, we need to revoke their rights NOW
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>>9621575
Made me realize women are inherently inferior to me. Have to say I already knew it, but it was nice having it confirmed through a proper redpilled intellect. Wish more liberals would read this and realize that Schopenhauer is the greatest mind to ever live.
Women are better off in the kitchen, they are mere property of the rational, logical man like you or me and should serve us meekly, and breed white children

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Since the relationship between hope and despair is dialectical, how do you live as a person who is in the throws of the final stage of despair? I know the night of faith is the only solution here, but the thing about the knight of faith is that it's humanly impossible to be one, and yes I also understand that the impossibility of it is the whole point and makes it possible dialectically speaking etc, but nevertheless I can never really get there. Or rather I can never get there and have the mentality that will allow me to say 'I'm finally here,' instead some kind of transfigured will and understanding is necessary so that one never really gets that 'Aha!' moment.
My problem is, I want that 'Aha!' moment, I want to have my cake and eat it too and that's the only way I can be myself. Pretty ironic then that this desire, by surpassing the knight of faith, ends up at the knight of faith as such. And so I am still just somebody in despair never to be my self.
How do I escape this nightmare? I have faith, I have understanding, I have despair. But how do you progress forward if God requires you to forfeit the very things that are going to save you? How can a person ever be happy again if he is perpetually flopping around in this dialectical klein bottle like a fish without water?
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get out more, you sound close to schizo territory. get a therapist if you have the cash.
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Remember to sage and report non-literature threads.

It's 'throes', by the way.
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>>9621420
>in the throws
Now I'm in despair

Also, you're a shallow thinker. I knew that just looking at your anime pic

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Do you need to have an MFA to be a good writer?

If you don't have connections that an MFA will provide, how on earth would you get published?
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>>9621242

you need an MFA to be an official writer of literary fiction (tm)

if you just want to write and be published, take Stephen King's advice of reading and writing for four hours a day and eventually you'll get good enough to make it
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>>9621259
reading + writing =/= getting published
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>>9621259
As in read for 4 hours, and write for 4 hours? Or read and write for a combined total of 4 hours?

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