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>top 5 favorite books
>rate
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>>9721735
>Moby Dick, Ulysses, The Brothers Karamazov, the Master and Margarita, East of Eden
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>>9721735
>>9722468
Faggots
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>Gravity's Rainbow
>The Sot-Weed Factor
>Darconville's Cat
>Infinite Jest
>Light in August

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How can erudition really be seen today as anything other than being a pseudo intellectual Wikipedia skimmer or at best a non-discrimnating reader?

Even Schopenhauer denigrated it back when there was nothing to do all day except read. Now that we live in a world with many INTELLECTUAL activities, and financially enriching ones, and ones for entertainment, why do people still pretend that reading all day is anything other than a pseudo intellectual thing?

And it's a huge coincidence that all these "erudite voracious readers" seem to know almost nothing about maths or science above an 18 year old's knowledge. Despite their self proclaimed incredible curiosity, love of knowledge, academia, and intellectual activity, they seem to avoid the fields that require actual rigour, raw intellect (as is popularly defined), and dedication. If I was more cynical I'd think these people were all just bullshit artist pseudo intellectuals who try to look smart and worldly while avoiding any subject not conducive to macrobullshitting. But I'm sure it's just purely coincidence.
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Schopenhauer was not a good writer as far as I can tell. He is known mainly for who he influenced. Literature among other things fosters emotional intelligence. Rigor doesn't factor into it. To study literature is also to study history, at least the history of ideas. If done with systematic rigor this pursuit has applications across many relevant fields. At any rate, literature is a hobby as well. Why don't you go make fun of the origami crowd for not being engineers.
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>>9721716

I completely agree. But then why do you guys and shitloads if people irl pretend that books such as Dostoevsky's have "incredible philosophical insights"!
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>>9721725
Dostoyevsky's books often address ethical philosophy. He was also a very good story teller.

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>Ulysses earned more votes than Moby Dick.

>Lolita earned more votes than the fucking Bible.

>War and Peace surpassed by The Stranger and The Trial.

>The Republic, King Lear, and Grapes of Wrath all couldn't even make 10 votes.

>4 Joyce offerings, more than any other author on the list.

This board is a joke.
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>>9721630
That's the wrong list. But you're right. The list isn't perfect, but it gives you a vague idea of which books are the best of the best.
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>>9721630
>Grapes of Propaganda
>worth a fuck
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>>9721647

>Finnegan's babble

>worth a fuck

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I need help /lit/

I'm trying to write some things for work but I have come to a blockade. How the hell do I write the plural to a Calf? Not the animal but the body part underneath your thigh. Is it Calfs, Calves or Calf's?
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calves, same as the animal.
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>>9721619
Wew that was quick.

wtf I love this board now.
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>>9721596
Calfsies. It's cutesier.

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>When we read, another person thinks for us: we merely repeat his mental process. It is the same as the pupil, in learning to write, following with his pen the lines that have been pencilled by the teacher. Accordingly, in reading, the work of thinking is, for the greater part, done for us. This is why we are consciously relieved when we turn to reading after being occupied with our own thoughts. But, in reading, our head is, however, really only the arena of some one else's thoughts. And so it happens that the person who reads a great deal—that is to say, almost the whole day, and recreates himself by spending the intervals in thoughtless diversion, gradually loses the ability to think for himself; just as a man who is always riding at last forgets how to walk. Such, however, is the case with many men of learning: they have read themselves stupid. For to read in every spare moment, and to read constantly, is more paralysing to the mind than constant manual work, which, at any rate, allows one to follow one's own thoughts. Just as a spring, through the continual pressure of a foreign body, at last loses its elasticity, so does the mind if it has another person's thoughts continually forced upon it. And just as one spoils the stomach by overfeeding and thereby impairs the whole body, so can one overload and choke the mind by giving it too much nourishment. For the more one reads the fewer are the traces left of what one has read; the mind is like a tablet that has been written over and over. Hence it is impossible to reflect; and it is only by reflection that one can assimilate what one has read if one reads straight ahead without pondering over it later, what has been read does not take root, but is for the most part lost. Indeed, it is the same with mental as with bodily food: scarcely the fifth part of what a man takes is assimilated; the remainder passes off in evaporation, respiration, and the like.

How does /lit/ respond to unhappy German man?

More can of the same can be found here:
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/lit/chapter5.html
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>>9721552
duh?
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>Men of learning are those who have done their reading in the pages of a book. Thinkers and men of genius are those who have gone straight to the book of Nature; it is they who have enlightened the world and carried humanity further on its way. If a man’s thoughts are to have truth and life in them, they must, after all, be his own fundamental thoughts; for these are the only ones that he can fully and wholly understand. To read another’s thoughts is like taking the leavings of a meal to which we have not been invited, or putting on the clothes which some unknown visitor has laid aside. The thought we read is related to the thought which springs up in ourselves, as the fossil-impress of some prehistoric plant to a plant as it buds forth in spring-time.

>Reading is nothing more than a substitute for thought of one’s own. It means putting the mind into leading-strings. The multitude of books serves only to show how many false paths there are, and how widely astray a man may wander if he follows any of them. But he who is guided by his genius, he who thinks for himself, who thinks spontaneously and exactly, possesses the only compass by which he can steer aright. A man should read only when his own thoughts stagnate at their source, which will happen often enough even with the best of minds. On the other hand, to take up a book for the purpose of scaring away one’s own original thoughts is sin against the Holy Spirit. It is like running away from Nature to look at a museum of dried plants or gaze at a landscape in copperplate.
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>>9721552
Good reading habits and proper annotation/note-taking solves most of those problems. Instead of reading what somebody thinks, you're thinking about what somebody else thinks, often with your own flavors too. The best part of taking good notes is that your thoughts don't have to be remembered, so when you have a particularly good chain of thoughts, they will automatically be saved for posterity in their full glory.

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>adore an author's prose and style
>really want to read more of them
>they only write in genres and about shit you fucking hate
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>look for a very specific plot
>find exactly one (1)
>prose and style are absolutely awful
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>>9721498
>reading for plot
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>>9721449
>they write in genres
Is that the literary equivalent of "speaking in tongues"?

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Ask someone who has just finished the meme trilogy anything
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>>9721355
What drives a person to become a tripfag?
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>>9721356
Easy for people to know OP is
recognition in threads
a lil bit of infamy
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>>9721357
I like when they trip so I can filter them out lmao

Which 5 philosophical books would you bring with you to a desert island
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Complete Works of Plato
Complete Works of Aristotle
Kant's Three Critiques
Hegel's System of Science (Phenomenology of Spirit + Encyclopedia of the Philosophical Sciences)
Heidegger's Being and Time
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>>9721477
That's cheating.
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1. Complete Corpus of Western Philosophy
2. Compete Corpus of Oriental Philosophy
3. Complete Corpus of Middle Eastern Philosophy
4. Complete Corpus of African Philosophy
5. Complete Corpus of Native American Philosophy

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I haven't read any books outside of assigned books back in high school, but I wanted to try and get into it more, so I bought these two books to start. Good picks?
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>>9721240
dunno about céline, but house of leaves isn't a good place to start
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>>9721240

I'm reading journey... it seems dated. Most of the novelty centers around things we're already aware of- war is inglorious, colonies are miserable, love is ugly, etc.
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celine is a good place to start for an edgy 12th grader

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redpill me on it, /lit/
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I don't know what you mean by redpill but it's a good book and you should read it regardless of whatever preconceived notions you have for it.
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>>9721102

>western images of the east are racist

There. The whole book can be summed up in one sentence. I saved you time. You're welcome.
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It's probably the other text next to Judith Butler's Gender Trouble that has informed today's tumblr identity politics.

There are a lot of reasons it's actually a very faulty argument and it basically just stirred up more shit and resentment and makes the media landscape so obnoxious all day.

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is this a good book
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>>9721100
k ty
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Depends, do trains make you hard?
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>>9721095
if you want to read rand, read fountainhead.
it's the better novel and has the least crazy take away.
It's also 2/3rds the length.

I am looking for esoteric writings, from a person who sounds detached from society, and social dogma.
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Tropic of Cancer
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bump

(im a girl btw)
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Nick Land.

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Is any of the Brian herbert Dune books worth reading?
I heard good things about Butlerian Jihad
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>Porcelains of Dune
>Haircuts of Dune
>Pointed Hats of Dune
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God, didn't frank leave the lad enough money, plus getting money from continuing sales of dune that he had to rape his fathers corpse?
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>>9720783
The "Legends of Dune" trilogy was pretty good (includes "The Butlerian Jihad"). Hunters and Sandworms "wrap up" the original story, but they're pretty meh in my opinion. Fuck everything else; cashgrab bullshit.

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What passages from literature or important historical documents should I memorise in order to enrich myself?
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Louis XIV's diary entry of July 14, 1789
>nothing today
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Ulysses speech in The Divine Comedy
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>to be or not to be
>Ivan Karamazov's on God
>sermon of the mountain

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This is a story I made when I was 12.

The Adventures of Rat Man!

Written by: Guillermo Ramos

I'm Orville resident of Cheeseburg. This city is highly in need of my help.... always. Well this is a story of my own and it goes like this......
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I've been walking down the street when I noticed that the population was droping. "This is weird" I thought, only a monster would do this. I came back to my house and I went in the rat cave. I realized that there had been some metallic objects that followed to a building. "It's times like these to investagate and find out what monster is doing this." So Orville, faster than a cheetah, he took his suit and ran out the cave to find the vile villin.
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Orville A.K.A Rat Man searched for the missing people. He followed the trail of metal objects. He then noticed the objects were moved all over Cheeseburg. "Hold it right there!" a mysterios voice said. I imedetly stoped and he said "I have orders from the boss to kick your hiny and make sure you don't find his hideout!" So Rat Man fought the robot to find the missing people. First Rat Man puched the robot in the face and knocked out the bots voice chip. Then the robot tried to trip Rat Man, but he failed to do so. Then the robot teleported back to his hideout. Dang! "Another villan escaped!" said Rat Man. Soon after the battle I found the bots voice chip. "Pherhaps I will see the same technology in the robot all over town. "And proboly their are more robots."
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So then I used the string cheese to cilmb up a building to see anything suspicess. Then I spied a 1950 warehouse. "This is a good place for a hideout," I thought. Maybe their is other vile villans working for the boss. Then *BLAST* robots sorounded him and they were coming. Rat Man knew what to do....... fight! Then it started and they fought for an hour. The robots used hi-tech weapons to destroy Rat Man. Luckily Ratman had a hack-system. He then programed it to control a robot, but it took time.

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