>Bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk
What did Joyce mean by this?
>>9727803
Why do people do shit like this?
Going through the motions, writing your little notes.
What happens when you close the last page? What did you gain?
>>9727803
There comes a point when you aren't reading anymore. When you've given more thought to the work than the author did and you aren't enjoying reading for what it is.
>>9727803
so is there a version of Finnegans Wake you can purchase with exhaustive footnotes that explain every single word for unintelligent babies such as myself who need their hands held?
ITT: High school English curriculum reading that was actually good
>>9727468
Catcher in the Rye
>>9727468
10th grade we read Being and Time. It was dope.
Beowulf
Macbeth
Romeo and Juliet
An Enemy of the People
Lord of the Flies
Some Pound, Dickens
Epic of Gilgamesh
The Things they Carried
you know how there are white nationalist authors, are there any nationalist authors from an asian perspective(korean, chinese or japanese)?
yukio mishima is the only one i can think of.
>>9727210
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_ethnic_nationalism
What happened to that poor girl's brolly?
>>9727210
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cleanest_Race
i have a business job and make good money but not enough to raise a family on. if i had more money, i would never work another day at a job in my life. i want to go to business school to make more money. my parents think it is foolish since there's nothing 'i want to do.' they suggested academia since i'd be able to read a lot and sit around on my ass.
i said that it's super hard to become a professor, so that's not really realistic. is anyone here in a similar position or had to make a similar choice?
is becoming a professor in something humanities-related nearly impossible? im 27 and only have a bachelors in english.
what are some /lit/ jobs i could do that you don't have to get extremely lucky to find a position and make enough money to support a family?
am i thinking about this wrong guys? what is your literary life plan?
>>9726633
Someone should write a ya series about these two
>>9726645
yeah, sartre and beauvoir were both much better looking back then
Anon, I don't think you should do anything that doesn't fundamentally interest you, at least on the career front. If you really don't want to become an academic, you shouldn't.
That said, it's not too late for you to go to graduate school. I'm older than you and I'm in the process of getting my MA in English Literature. My plan, I suppose, is to teach at a decent level while I write fiction and poetry, which I'm already doing. My dream is to be a great writer, one who is influential. This may be unrealistic, but I have delusions of grandeur. In the meantime, I'll teach.
So, last week I mentioned Zizek to one of my professors and he's taken the occasion to send me a forthright rebuttal of my interest with a declaration I should absolutely never take him seriously (or if so, that I should be able to refute everything he says).
Real talk: they fucking hate him.
>>9726596
>professors
The academia is an even bigger joke than pop-philosophers like Zizek.
>>9726596
What about Zizek interests you? I agree with him that you shouldn't, Zizek is the perfect example of the cancer that is eating academia: constant decontextualization, non-verifiable ideas, and an almost religious devotion to marxism.
>>9726637
His viewpoints on culture which mirror the ever-growing scepticism towards authority in a neo-liberalist world. I don't take him seriously as a philosopher and wouldn't expect the Philosophy department to do so. I've only read his recent books which obviously talk more about dysfunction in society than anything approaching philosophy.
I probably shouldn't have mentioned him tbqh.
Also, that's a still from Sans Soleil. I like that film because it illicits a viewpoint of two different cultures very much at the opposite ends of the spectrum. You have the hyper-accelerated world of Japan contrasted with traditionalist Guinneau-Bissau. Nice kino lad.
So, I just finished Infinite Jest for the first time yesterday and I have to say I don't know exactly what I was expecting, but I had no idea that the book was actually about the very struggle of mankind in a complex and foreign
Alright lads now that all the pseuds are gone, it's that time of year again. /lit/ F.C. actually managed to make the Summer Cup, and we want to see what the intelligentsia thinks about the state of our club.
Everything you need is in this link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e_tUp3W_LeyRThG9kkDbcDYmKVzipibOQmcJnBg9PAg/edit?usp=sharing
Anyone but Mira tbdesu
>>9726146
Needs more Tortilla Yecarthy.
/spit
Wait, are there matches schedule for tonight?
>quit your soul-destroying job
>leave the degenerate polluted city
>hike to an isolated rural location
>set up a small camp
>visit town once or twice a week to pick up food, drink and other necessaries
>spend almost all day every day reading and writing as you please
Why not do this?
inb4 "m-muh internet addiction"
>>9725554
Because I am not a little bitch, so I can handle the real world.
>>9725554
>isolated rural location
>can just pop into town a couple of times a week
Well, you're still going to need money for supplies aren't you?
>all peers are leftists
>all teachers are leftists
>all interpretations are Marxist
>you have no idea how to actually appreciate literature, just how to deconstruct it and explain how women, gays, and minorities have been persecuted by Dead White Males throughout history
Thinking about a History/English Double major, will I have time?
>>9723801
How should I know? Every university has different programs and requirements.
Major in Classics. It's the one department in humanities that has staved off critical theory for the most part. Plus you'll get a nice foundation in the Greeks and the Romans. Thereafter, reading Shakespeare, Milton, and Pope will be easier and more gratifying as you'll understand more of the language and allusions.
write what's on your mind
>>9720358
I regret going to that shitty fourth of July party because of how tired I was in the morning so much so that I skipped French class.
>>9720358
Glenjamin Gould was a God
>>9720358
why do people live in filth? why is casual talk about suicide more common? why is it we liked to make ourselves out to have more miserable lives than others, just to make ourselves seem justified when we piss and moan? why is it we feel some pride for a messy workspace and bedroom? do we really trick ourselves into thinking we live busy lives?
Greetings /lit/erati, grab a book, paper, and pen, and let's get a /comfy/ thread going while we talk about something to better us all.
It has come to my attention that a certain "meme list" has been circulating around. These threads include, but are not limited to:
>>9711174
>>9706101
It turns out that these lists originate from a few key threads, which have their own batch of interesting arguments, perspectives, and recommendations:
>On "Autodidact General": https://warosu.org/lit/thread/9374881
>On "How to Think": https://warosu.org/lit/thread/9475678
>On Trivium: https://warosu.org/lit/thread/9570794
It is nice to see that people are trying to better themselves, and this has been a more organized approach than I've ever seen on this website.
These lists, however, are beset by a lot of practical problems that keep them from being anything other than meme lists.
Friends, it's awesome that we're trying to develop some sort of "autodidact" core to serve as a substitute for the liberal arts education we deserve but never received. Unfortunately, with all of these scattered developments, inaccessible books, and haphazard reading orders, you're only going to attract derision from all but the most dedicated people. Also, without the proper mindset, lifestyle, and discipline, all of your autodidact ventures will be doomed to amateurism and failure. You can successfully teach yourself to achieve better expertise than many dispassionate experts, but ONLY with common sense, hard work, self-awareness, and skepticism.
We need to establish some basic standards, which many include a core curriculum for intellectual independence, some resources for independent study after independence, accessible recommendations (at least libgen friendly), and some other lifestyle and practical advice to support those who wish to dedicate enormous resources to this venture. A community needs to be built around this purpose, compiling resources on a Google Doc, starting a Discord channel for discussion, etc.
In a moment, I'll begin with an example of a meme list for those who don't want to read the aforementioned threads in their entirety, followed by my own critiques and suggestions. I see great opportunity for a small movement on /lit/, putting our cynicism, skepticism, and our last vestiges of hope to good use. What say you all?
>pic related: the flags of baltic nations
>pic related is one example meme list
Here's another similar list: https://i.warosu.org/lit/thread/9614604#p9615391
It seems like we need some fresh blood.
If you are over 22-25, your train has passed.
Sorry.
>>9714264
Plenty of us are on the younger side. I'm well into my autodidact journey at 20 years old. The brain remains plastic throughout adulthood too—you're still fully capable of growing and learning if you apply yourself.
I just read Leo Strauss' lecture on German Nihilism and damn
>German nihilism desires the destruction of modern civilisation as far as modern civilisation has a moral meaning. As everyone knows, it does not object so much to modem technical* devices. That moral meaning of modem civilisation to which the German nihilists object, is expressed in formulations such as these: to relieve man's estate; or: to safeguard the rights of man; or: the greatest possible happiness of the greatest possible number. What is the motive underlying the protest against modem civilisation, against the spirit of the West*, and in particular of the Anglo-Saxon* West?
>The answer must be: it is a moral protest. That protest proceeds from the conviction that the internationalism inherent in modem civilisation, or, more precisely, that the establishment of a perfectly open society which is as it were the goal of modem civilisation, and therefore all aspirations directed toward that goal, are irreconcilable with the basic demands of moral life. That protest proceeds from the conviction that the root of all moral life is essentially and therefore eternally the closed society; from the conviction that the open society is bound to be, if not immoral, at least amoral: the meeting ground of seekers of pleasure, of gain, of irresponsible power, indeed of any kind of irresponsibility and lack of seriousness.3 Moral life, it is asserted, means serious life. Seriousness, and the ceremonial of seriousness the flag and the oath to the flag, are the distinctive features of the closed society, of the society which by its very nature, is constantly confronted with, and basically oriented toward, the Ernstfall, the serious moment, M-day, war. Only life in such a tense atmosphere, only a life which is based on constant awareness of the sacrifices* to which it owes its existence, and of the necessity, the duty of sacrifice of life and all worldly goods, is truly human: the sublime is unknown to the open society." The societies of the West which claim to aspire toward the open society, actually are closed societies in a state of disintegration: their moral value, their respectability, depends entirely on their still being closed societies.
He did not only describe the nazis but also 4chan. Damn.
Like I needed another reason to love the Krauts.
>>9698703
I'm pretty sure 4chan does not fit into achieving the sublime through seriousness and awareness of sacrifice.
What are some good "down and out" books whose descriptions of violent events will help me keep motivated to work out
If you don't work out I'll beat you up
>>9733487
yes recommend me books that basically say this
>>9733503
venus in furs
I finally decided to read the Bible and already I'm having trouble with the concistency of the text at the genesis.
In the first chapter it is said that God created animals before man and that he created man and woman at the same time but then in chapter 2 Adam is created before animals are made and Eve is made after that from Adam's rib.
Is the genesis after the first chapter allegorical?
Is the first chapter to be taken as some form of code to be theologically decyphered like Augustine did in his confessions?
>>9733476
We need to stop shitposting the bible meme so much. Reddit has tacked onto it and theirs version of /lit/ is using it for 'le funny' upvotes.
Yes. Unironically, watch Jordan Peterson's series on the psychological significance of the biblical stories. I don't know if he's "right" but he definitely helped me understand many of the earlier stories better.
>>9733512
Should I just read on and tell myself there's no definite interpretation of the Bible so I shouldn't even try, then?
Has anyone here ever read into freemasonry? Tell me the secret.
basically it was a new-age religion that failed and turned into a public-service club.
>>9732977
that's your explanation?
You are all a lost generation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBsbtCpSS70
>>9732919
t. every generation before you
none generation is lost because it's basically impossible