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wow. the movie is just better in every single way
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I fell for the Chuck meme, Hes very over-rated
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>>9741501
I enjoyed it, but the movie is just perfect
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>>9741417
Except how the movie's ending is completely different changing the message. The book is, among other things, a satiric takedown of male fragility. The MC is threatened by contemporary life to the point of self destruction and by witnessing how his angst filled reactionary instincts play out hes able to see his own obliteration.
The movie has a trite "love will save the day" ending that undermines the rest of the movie into pulp shit.
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How do i get out of this obsession with knowing what is Out There, IE beyond the senses? How do i stop caring?
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>>9741369
as an animal you'll always try create a model your reality because you want to predict outcomes that can kill you and avoid them
you can use recursive self awareness to be aware of the fact that you're modeling the outside world while you're doing it, and also knowing that being aware of your modeling it itself constructing a model of your mind, and being aware that you're constructing models of mind is itself a model and so on until your ego explodes and stay explode
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Understanding what's beyond lies within understanding what's immediate.
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>>9741375
This. True learning is wisdom. Principles and paradoxes. Learn them.
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Can a well written character be perfect and have no flaws?
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Yeah; check out my diary.
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>>9741345
Yes, by Dostoevsky
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>>9741412
Stravogin?
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Writers who are better than John Franzen
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ITT, we will be posting pictures and quotes from writers who are better than John Franzen. I'll go first.
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"Happiness isn’t something someone can deliver. It comes from within."
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>>9741341
Geez, where to start....
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The way I write is bipolar; shitty sometimes, sometimes surprising (i.e, in my academic work, My professors and peers consistently praise me. Things like "poetic", "story-like", "fun", "very well-written" is what I usually get. On the other hand, outside of /lit/, once every few weeks people say I don't write correctly and have communication problems). The compliments were and are still shallow...anyone published would sneer at my work as being far below average.
Some examples of its failings are....
>overuse of "I" and "but" and other such words--this fucks up and limits the structure...my "range" of sentences is narrow even without it
>stilted+robotic writing in general, not "conversational" and lively\
>doesn't help that I usually don't think of sentences as being connected; they're disjointed, lack that sense of...gestalt?
>redundant word usage, almost autistic
So, how do I undo my bad habits and write well?
This is all for leisure's sake. Being published isn't my goal here, I just want my writing to have that gusto to it--to not have it just be...satisfactory, or functional.
Also...what would you say would be a good point in which I should wholly abandon style for the sake of actual content? I know style can give form to content, I just don't know specifics because I am an amateur (18).
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>>9741262
Read more. Write down and define unfamiliar words when you see them. Write more.
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>>9741262
stop being an aspie
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You navel gaze too much. You need to look upwards and outwards. You need to look at the titans of your language--which I assume is English--and treat them as mountains to scale. Shakespeare, Milton, Byron, Keats, Melville, Joyce, Faulkner: you need to look at them and stop looking at yourself. Tell yourself you can be as great as them and always keep them in mind.
Should one read if one doesn't enjoy reading? There's a lot of importance ascribed to literature in our societies, but I'm not confident it's truly essential for an individual.
Fiction and poetry can be ruled out immediately insofar as they're only aesthetic enjoyment. Philosophy is said to be important because in it lies our potential for understanding life as a whole, and while I don't disagree, it's difficult for me to believe that one needs to do it. Few would agree that we've solved the essential philosophical questions yet, so our faith in philosophy remains in its possibility to answer them in the future. The average person can't contribute anything to this, however, and even for above-average minds it's a lifetime of work just to catch up on what other men have discovered so far. If one begins doing philosophy as an adult, he'd have to work incredibly hard for a small chance at coming up with something actually insightful.
It's true that, compared to watching anime or playing video games, reading is a fantastic hobby, since it can improve your overall quality of life and grow more pleasurable over time (which is notably rare for all hobbies in general). However, if none of this feels good to someone - if reading Tolstoy is as engaging as watching paint dry, and if doing philosophy excites nothing in one's mind - is there any point at all in the activity?
Feel free to shitpost at me, insult me for my ignorance, or whatever you'd like. To me, reading appears to be nothing more than another source of pleasure, and the claims for its inexhaustible importance are unwarranted.
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>one doesn't enjoy reading
Impossible, short of maybe the mentally handicapped, and even then I'm skeptical. That you have not find a topic you enjoy reading ABOUT should not be taken as a sign that all reading is beyond you; to be unable to enjoy reading would be tantamount to being unable to enjoy thought itself - as language is close to pure transmittance of constructed ideas.
What have you been trying to read, OP? Good odds its pseud shit you have no vested interest in.
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>Fiction and poetry can be ruled out immediately insofar as they're only aesthetic enjoyment.
No, no, no, no and no. What gave you this idea? Humans communicate using poetry and stories, they're almost always a reflection of our society, and can convey extremely important ideas. Even if they didn't, ruling it out because it "only" has aesthetic merit is ridiculous.
>Philosophy is said to be important because in it lies our potential for understanding life as a whole, and while I don't disagree, it's difficult for me to believe that one needs to do it.
Philosophy isn't about arriving at objective answers which all can agree with, it's about learning to think, and by doing philosophy you arrive closer at, whilst never being able to reach, the truth.
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A few hours of study and scheming on a relevant subject can save you weeks if not months of frustration.
You simply need the proper books.
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>create yourself
>but love fate also
>create your own values as the ubermensch
>but you're just a bunch of psychological drives and your consciousness is passive epiphenomenon
>people who want free will just want to perpetuate slave morality
>people who deny free will just don't want to take responsibility things
what did he mean by this? what does he propose we do? is it systematic or a whole lot of contradictions, in which case is it intended to reflect some aspect of the human condition? wtf is the consensus on his position on self-creation/amor fati? free will and responsibility? every time i read one scholar's interpretation there are a bunch more arguing against it.
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He was just proving philosophy useless
T.never read him
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>>9741083
human experience duality
nietzsche is a human
therefore nietzsche experiences duality
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>>9741083
the ultimate aim of philosophy is reconciliation.
a good philosophy reconciles all things into mutual paradox, imitating the universe. life and death, polarity as we know it. nothing exists without its obverse other, creating an inverse, which in turn has it's own opposition.
Nietzsche had an excellent philosophical mind, meaning he could synthesize things into a unified whole.
who is to say our fate isn't to create ourselves? who is to say most people's free will isn't used to willingly disavow it as much as possible?
"I am that which must constantly overcome itself."
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so this is just the "i can be ur angle or ur devil" meme meets "Notes From The Underground 2: Fuccboi Edition"?
**i really like it so far**
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>>9741069
Is this the "I didn't finish the book but I'm gonna start a thread about it" meme meets the sideways pic meme: newfag can't spoiler edition?
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>>9741080
yes yes and yes
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>>9741069
how about you read it, ok, read it, you know, for yourself, buddy. How about you read (and i really do read it- every last page) the entire novel - referring to Hesse's "Steppenwolf" in this instance, of course- and then, after you do that, come to your own conclusions about the book?
:)
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Should I read the Bible before reading Paradise Lost?
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>>9741067
It's not like it's completely incomprehensible if you don't. You probably already know about Jesus and the Garden of Eden shit. But I think any mature reader should be familiar with the Bible anyway.
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>>9741067
yes, you should read the bible before reading the ABC
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>>9741067
I mean the entire thing is written under the assumption the reader is familiar with the Bible, if that helps you figure out the answer.
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was poststructuralist just a fancy excuse to fuck kids all along?
Sexual Morality and the Law is the transcription of a 1978 radio conversation in Paris between philosopher Michel Foucault, playwright/actor/lawyer Jean Danet, and novelist/gay activist Guy Hocquenghem, debating the idea of abolishing age of consent laws in France.
In 1977, the issue was brought to public attention in France by a petition against age of consent laws addressed to the Parliament, defending the decriminalization of all consented sexual relations between adults and minors below the age of fifteen (the age of consent in France).[1] Foucault stated that the petition was signed by several philosophers including himself, Jacques Derrida, Louis Althusser, pediatrician and psychoanalyst Françoise Dolto, and also by people he described as belonging to a wide range of political positions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Morality_and_the_Law
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>>9741036
>poststructuralism
try all philosophy ever.
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>>9741036
How fucking shit has this board become.
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imo postmodernism is literally the french version of libertarianism a 'philosophy' that merely exists as a rationalisation for pedophilia
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Do Penguin Classics fall apart after multiple rereads?
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>>9741022
How many?
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>>9741016
press ctrl + f and then type penguin in the archive you fool
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They won't fall apart. The fronts and corners get scuffed and banged up easily, but the spines will look nice and hold together as long as you're nice to them.
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Is this horsefaced bitch any good? What's her best work?
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do NOT say rude things about flannery. but yeah she's GOAT, read her short stories.
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>>9740992
1st: she is a CUTE
2nd: she is the best female author and one of the best American
3rd: her short stories are my favorite
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>>9740992
She's a qt3.14
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Is the Greek suffix "-ides" as in "Heraklides" the same in singular as in plural?
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Layman understanding, but "ides" means 'son of', both as the patronymic and given name.
So Heraklides = son of Herakles, while Agamemnon Atrieides = Agamemnon, Son of Atrius.
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>>9741130
You're not answering my question.
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>>9740981
No its not
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How much Satanic literature is there really?
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>>9740972
Would like to see some pdf links about this
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>>9740994
no
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All "satanic" literature is fundamentally derivative of Christianity.
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Recommend me something I haven't heard of.
i like Lao Tzu, Hegel, Douglass, Lacan, Ego death, Absolute Idealism, Gestalt Therapy, Aristotlean Teleology, Cinema,coffee, blowjobs
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>>9740964
move over bud
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