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Was it rape? Had he really been abused before or was he just oversensitive?
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He was raped by Salinger himself.
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>>9766575
He never actually said he was raped before so I don't see how he could be considered oversensitive either way.
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>>9766575
I think rape is a bit of a cop out, though very maybe. He's described as being attractive all throughout, and receiving a lot of unwanted attention from older people (men) so, if not rape, certainly a lot of leering, a lot of being placed in uncomfortable situations. Possibly molestation. Probably rape, who fucking knows, fuck fuck penis in boothole

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Cannonball gumdrop earrings and a Jerry curl
caught the last hound to Tucson.
The predator flew out the starting gate:
gait like a swollen pigeon,
stride like torrential sheets
(books cooked)
with banana peel feet
and a dried stick of meat.
The armchair cacti waved their cuffed hands
as they sang with the belly-dancing route 23's
skidoo jingle in the school-bus dungarees.
They were grateful to be listed in the credits
at the end of the never-ending slideshow.

And the pilot bound himself to the mastodon's mast
(we're still on the omnibus, to be sure)
gnawed at his tobacco rinsed gums
and ate the salt of his tired trajectory
looking up lost lovers in the directory
(he had none. Or was it one?)

A few recycled coughs, panoply of pardon-me's,
one invigorating brushing of the knees
(Oh baby won't you be my venereal disease):
now comes the melodically choreographed party favor
sleep.

Somewhen, a star is born.
NBTORSP
(think primetime television).

The sweeping corona, a Tourbillon yawn,
a rush of sweetwater from God's gills,
keeps the bookkeepers bookkeeping for Sunday's obits
as the uncut pinky hangnail tips Charon
and the cowboy saddled satellite tips
his hat as the chorus filibusters "My Sharona"
as they nosedive feet-first to Arizona.
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>>9765653
After a night of dream-lit snows the air turned clear and still. There was a taut blue quality in the January light, a hardness and confidence. The sound of boots on packed snow, the contrails streaked cleanly in the high sky. Weather was very much the point, although I didn't know it yet.
I turned into our street and walked past men bent over shovels in their driveways, breathing vapor. A squirrel moved along a limb in flowing motion, a passage so continuous it seemed to be its own physical law, different from the ones we've learned to trust. When I was halfway down the street I saw Heinrich crouched on a small ledge outside our attic window. He wore his camouflage jacket and cap, an outfit with complex meaning for him, at fourteen, struggling to grow and to escape notice simultaneously, his secrets known to us all. He looked east through binoculars.
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>>9765717
>There was a taut blue quality in the January light
do you mean 'the night was a taut blue'?

> and walked past men bent over
supergay bro, just letting you know

>Weather was very much the point, although I didn't know it yet.
you do know amateur meteorological discussion is the smallest of the smalltalk

>a passage so continuous it seemed to be its own physical law
velocity, momentum, movement, squirrel climb, any of the above

>different from the ones we've learned to trust
physical laws don't lie, no sane person even presumes they might

>his secrets known to us al
anon, this defies the very definition of secret
All that being said, what is this? is this a part of a larger piece, is it a standalone piece, or did you just scribble whatever popped into your head into the reply box then hit reply all willy nilly?
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bonsai people

you snip the branches
prune the leaves
take out some of its roots
you do this for long time
until it's too old to grow again
'till it's bark is too hard
to change it's shape
this is how you make a bonsai
and this is how some people
are made
this is how I was made
not by cutting of leaves
but by isolation

my growth stopped
and I never learned
too many things to count
and I got old
and the bark of my mind
got dark and hard
and it got
too late to learn new tricks
and I'm stuck
as a stunted and stifled thing
unable to connect with people
unwilling to connect with people
incapable of understanding
all the little bullshit games
all the fake smiles
that people talk with
because
when you're stuck alone
in a tiny room
most of your time
the bullshit melts away
a moral gasoline fire
that strips the color
out of every thought.

I'll always be a midget tree.
my body may be outside
walking
drinking
buying paper plates
but my mind
never left the room
and it never will.

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What does this generation have to offer, in terms of literary merit? Most Millenials are hedonistic, middle class, addicted to browsing social media on their smartphones, and just plain ordinary. No events have defined nor influenced said generation. At best, the one event in recent memory that comes to mind is the past U.S. election--and that dead horse is still being beaten, to the point that it has now become trite. With so many indistinguishable Millenials, incidentally, how do you perceive the future of literature? Is America's golden era of literature finally at its last breaths? It's truly poignant when the most recognized writers of this generation are Rupi Kaur, John Green, and Tao Lin. Gone are the days of true writers of American literature.
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You are a bad solipsist.
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>>9765637
Literarture is dead I must admit. But academics will still continue to write.

Also AI and Gene shit is coming in fast.
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>>9765637
Living in the now is the new meme, constantly staying up to date and not missing out on current events. Books are considered a stale medium, speaking as someone trying to get back into reading.

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>he hasn't read every single book written by his "favorite writer"
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>>9765422
What's the point of the thread exactly?
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>>9765422
>He hasn't read every single book ever made
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>>9765431
this, fuckin' plebs

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>tfw you realize that the Chinese philosophical/literary tradition is the best but it's inaccessible to westerners
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It's inaccessible even to Chinese scholars who work in the universities and always lived in the mainland, i.e. interpreting Zhuangzi, hugely long classic novels, entire websites on a single fucking chapter of the Analects, etc.
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>>9764732
Chinese philosophy > Black male philosophy > White Male Philosophy > Latino Male Philosophy
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>>9764742
But some Latinos are white, especially the philosophical ones.

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What nonfiction have you been reading lately?
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Will talk about this later, need to go now, they are waiting for me :)
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Scruton.
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>>9764674
More like Scrotum, am I right?

And if so, what kind of music do you prefer?

I used to do it most of the time, but I find myself getting lost in the sounds more than the book I'm reading and now I rarely search for a record prior to reading.
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when are stars of the lid gonna drop some new shit?
a winged victory for the sullen aren't good enough to fill the void
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>>9764557

mah nigga

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I'm a homosexual who loathes 99% of gays and 99% of gay culture.

Recommend me a book.

Hard mode: Not the Bible
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Pascal "Pensées"
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>>9762352
P R O U S T
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Phenomenology of Spirit

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Is the problem with Postmodernity that it represents a degeneration of Modernity? I have been toying with the idea that postmodern thought represents a recursion of premodern thinking, an attempt to retrace our steps and find a path back towards some alternative present; an essential component to postmodernism is the technology of history (printing, statistical modeling, etc. a kind of time travel) Is postmodern in some essential way conservative? Is there some literature which corresponds to this idea of mine? What do you guys think?
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Tl;dr: textual analysis can't prevent August 6, 1945 Hiroshima.
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>>9759456
the problem with postmodernity is that a vanishingly small proportion of people use it to understand texts, and everyone else uses it as an excuse to push any kind of gibberish on their readers. yes, Virilio, we're looking at you, asshole.
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kind of a random thought but i often feel much the same way. what is called postmodernity only describes one side of the problem. it's not so crazy to say that we don't really have postmodernity, what we have are a million atomized bad-faith modernists concealing their actual differences beneath a vein of irony (beneath this, a deeply troubling narcissism) and so on. now presently re-tribalizing themselves but refusing to give up the Big One that binds them all together

>tlp: relativism for you, absolutism for me

>hiroshima
textual analysis can't prevent events in the past which happened. it may be able to identify patterns that lead to the repetition of those events in the future. depends on how generally stupid & paranoid the human race desires to become

>Is postmodern in some essential way conservative?
perhaps in the sense that there is a bogus sense of being postmodern which does everything possible to conserve *identity.* which wasn't really there in modernism and, in coming under siege in an era of postmodernity, is *more* threatened, which makes people *more* defensive, which makes them double down *harder* on it, which makes it appear.
it does this by looking at things at the level of surfaces that imply a depth which isn't really there (but manifests as restlessness, anxiety, thymos, continual craving for recognition, much else)

zizek talks about this also

>is there some literature which corresponds to this idea of mine?
lots of theory. reading history of technology (and media!) & so on is a good idea. the postmodern landscape is inseparable from virtual/media/simulated/meme landscape. even if stuff like barthes/death of the author seems played today it all contributed to this stew we now live in

all those critical theory guys will have something interesting for you

>What do you guys think?
sounds cool anon good luck

I just read this for the first time in years, and I finally "got" it and teared up. Is this Stendhal Syndrome?

Anyone else ever be moved by a children's book?
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>>9756156
This fucked me up when I read it to my kid. Had to stop because I was crying.
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pic related
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>>9756172
oh my god ; _;

Why do pseuds not understand how the Socratic method works?

Politics (and sheer arrogance) aside that's not how you use the socratic method anyway. You're supposed to genuinely want to find out about what you're questioning, not think you already know the answers and use it to show your victims they're wrong by pretending to not know about the subject. That's just stupid and pretentious, and a child could see what you're trying to do
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But what if the the thing in question is too stupid to waste time pretending that it has merit?
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>>9748888
Nice quads.
What if Sargon is too stupid to make such a statement? What does Sargon knows about ANYTHING at all? And in what istances has he demonstrated widsom and intelligence?
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>>9748901
idk mane
My point was more in general.

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Are his books good? Or is it just pseudoscience bullshit?
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has joe rogan ever had a female on his show? there's something so faggy and beta about that shit
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I don't get why rogan likes him, besides from the fact the two idiots smoke pot together. He seems like a completely off the wall junk science peddler.
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>>9770728
stfu up
he is literally the definition of a Alpha MALE, you cuck.

Could someone translate this into layman terms for me. English isn't my first language and my professor hasn't been responding to anyones emails asking about the question.

"How does each painting establish a connection with the world it depicts beyond mere visual resemblance?

In what ways does the painting emphasize the physical and spatial qualities of the objects depicted, the physical and spatial qualities of the paint on canvas or some combination of both?"

I know this board is mainly about books but I figure since everyone is into writing and reading you could explain what he means the best. Thank you so much...
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>"How does each painting establish a connection with the world it depicts beyond mere visual resemblance?

How does a painting make meaning? Why do some paintings seem to be more than just the objects they depict?

>In what ways does the painting emphasize the physical and spatial qualities of the objects depicted, the physical and spatial qualities of the paint on canvas or some combination of both?

How does a painting draw focus to particular points about what it depicts? How does a painting make a point about the fact that it is a painting? How does it emphasize the ability it has as a painting?

I'm trying to make this as simple as possible but you can tell me whether any of this helps.
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>>9770391
>>9770391
what are you reading? it seems like claptrap. they're asking questions that should be far more sensible as it is!
first question, "how is this painting of a boat mpre than just a simple copy of a boat on a wall?"
second question is "what is the placement of the boat? how about the water the boat is on? and the frame? how does the placement effect this painting of a boat?"
the questions when simplified seem rather to give an opportunity to be a hopeless artfag, "well the boat's placement on the lower left corner implies that it's pregnant". honestly symbolism plays a large part in the whole process of interpreting paintings. as well as the history of the painting, its provenance, the painter, and his biography, those and symbols interpreted within are far moremapt to reveal information than the fucking placement of the damn boat in the frame.
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>>9770416

Thank you so much, you actually helped more than you know.

>>9770443

Our assignment was to look at two paintings we saw at a museum today. The assigned paintings were:

"Portrait of a Peasant(Patience Escalier)" by Vincent van Gogh 1888

and

"Still Life with a Poem" by Juan Gris 1915

if that helps any.

Thank you for giving examples on how to tackle the question.

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Why is the Odyssey leaps and bounds better than the Iliad?
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I thought the exact opposite.
Read the iliad in a week, then the odyssey and I was very disappointed with the odyssey, it just didn't do it for me.
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Odysseus > Achilles. Simple as that.
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>>9770129

Because while the Illiad focuses on philosophy and existentialism, The Odyssey focuses on beauty of life and adventure.

The Odyssey is also not plagued by a large myriad of characters and gods involved in the plot, it is focused on one main character and his plights. And in turn you become more invested and situated in what happens next.

Is he our guy.

"The work of a queasy undergraduate scratching his pimples." Virginia Woolf on Ulysses
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>>9770048
>Virginia Woolf

>shits on UIlysses
>was heavily influenced by it anyway

What the fuck was her fucking problem?
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Imagine the letters between those two if they were together.
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Woolf had horrible taste. Joyce had too though.

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