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Where to start?
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ze greeks
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Here it goes from the Presocratics to Neoplatonism straight at the beginning:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/mobilebasic?pli=1

Of Plato you must read Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo, Meno, Symposium, Phaedrus, Republic and Timaeus.
Of Aristotle I'd read Organon, Physics and Metaphysics (Neoplatonists don't ignore him!)
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>>9772023
Don't start. Christianity is just Neo-Platonism 2.0

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ITT: young adult books you actually read and liked
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>>9771948
>young adult
12-30 isn't really a category.
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>>9771948
The setting was really fun, but fuck the actual plot was awful. The failbetter browser game that was made to market the book is actually better.

Also, the Bartimaeus trilogy.
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>inb4 someone dumps a bunch of classical children's books no children have read for a hundred years

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>Chose one author that you like the prose, read and absorve all his books for 5 months and try to copy his style.
>Repeat this for 4~5 times until you develop your own style and has improved your prose/writing
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https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/creative-writing-for-dummies-uk-edition-maggie-hamand/1102334480?ean=9781119992448&st=PLA&sid=NOK_DRS_NOOK+EBooks_00000000&2sid=Google_&sourceId=PLGoP77102
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>>9771932
Just read more good quality books and keep practicing or are you a nigger that just expects to read one guide and become the best writer on the planet?

Why does plato.stanford have, in multiple pages, these retarded typos that they make once and then keep repeating all throughout the article? Is it some kind of elaborate troll?
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What the FUCK did they mean by this?

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fatalism/
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/incompatibilism-arguments/
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Premise can also be spelled premiss. That's not a typo.
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>>9771937
what about the iff shit?
dont tell me thats legitimate too

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Why do people like here even exist?
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>>9771903
I would give up a lot to have a bright big bedroom like hers with trees infront of the house.
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>>9771923
That's actually the only positive thing about this video
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>>9771903
She is almost certainly a coal burner and one tends to lose a great number of IQ points hanging around with that rabble

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Why is this, anons? EVERY TIME a prominent female literary figure appears, a male writer arrives who is more than her match, and who often totally eclipses her.
Look.
JANE AUSTEN vs Sir Walter Scott. While Austen has her cult of cancerous chubby female normies today, in her time Scott dominated fiction. This angered her, and she complained in letters that he was already a famous poet, but had to hog the fiction market too. Scott pioneered the historical novel, his works were successful throughout Europe and America. Austen was little known.
ELIZABETH B. BROWNING vs Robert Browning. Reverse here, Liz was more popular in her day, but her hubby was by far the better poet - he outlived her and grew in literary stature, now being seen as perhaps the greatest Victorian poet.
BRONTES & GASKELL vs Dickens. The combined might of these little ladies was no match for the D. Brontes died in obscurity, Liz Gaskell's efforts to highlight the plight of the poor were totally overshadowed by the Inimitable Charles with his unbelievable creative energy, imagination, humor, wit, and gift for creating memorable characters.
GEORGE ELIOT vs Thomas Hardy. As if it weren't humiliating enough to be found she was really a woman pen-naming as a man (by Dickens, who perceived an error in the description of carpentry in Adam Bede and guessed a woman must have written it). Thomas Hardy appeared as another rural writer, became more popular, more controversial, more boundary-pushing, and was more poetical. He has been considered by some critics as the 2nd greatest English novelist and among the great 20th century poets.
LOUISA MAY ALCOTT vs Mark Twain. How can "Little Women" even compete? The bitch even tried to ban Huck Finn, but nice try. Twain is in every list of top 10 best US authors. Alcott nowhere to be found.
EDITH WHARTON vs Henry James. Wharton could not keep up with James, who was somehow both tremendously more prolific and popular and still retained the delicate style she herself wished to stand out with.
VIRGINIA WOOLF vs James Joyce. She tried to be the great stream-of-consciousness modernist writer of the age - but nope, the lanky Irishman arrives with the unstoppable erect modernist cock that is Ulysses. The James was def not afraid of Virginia Woolf.
SIMONE DE BEAUVOIR vs Jean Paul Sartre. Little Mr Sartre shook every feminist bone in her body. He blew her mind with his frightful intellect and existential insights, and she ended up being greatly influenced by his ideas. He was a better fiction writer too. Their relationship was not hostile, however, and they got along like two peas in a frog.
J.K. ROWLING vs G.R.R. Martin. Some may dispute this, based on the sales count being in Rowling's favor. But books for youngsters backed up by marketing sells a shit ton of paper. Martin rose to prominence with a more dark, adult fantasy world that makes the bespectacled wizard books seem both puerile and naive. 60 million copies sold so far - and growing fast.
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>>9771862
Literally none of the writers you've picked are comparable. You're just telling us that men were more famous (and I could argue that they still are), yet we bith know that this is not ancriteria of quality and value.
I guess you had some fun writing this post.
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I only read the one about Scott and Austen but it's not true. They admired each others work and Austen was well read in her own life. I'm not sure why I'm giving this a serious reply?
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Ah, I see you've read Schopebauer's On Women.
We need to make these cucks realize that women can't write -- they can't even comprehend to think! Pathetic little worms.

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>>9771886
cuck nu males

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In the dim, busy office
He is casting his eye across the work
The work he once had a passion for
I am close
I am close enough to notice the feeling of tenseness that radiates from his pale skin
I am close enough to see the wrinkles along his sleeves
I am close enough to see his eyes
The eyes that are as empty as the void inside
For what was once a man of ambition, joy & character
Is now a man of nothing
And all he can do take each step as its own
For he has forgotten the lyrics to his favourite song
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>>9771813
neat picture. prose sucks. why is he so. who are you. why is the office busy. what the fuck kind of office. so many questions.
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>>9771813
also which busy office has ever in life been 'dim'

how are you noticing all these details in such poor light

0/10 reincarnate yourself
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>what is a crit thread

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>Montaigne's education began in early childhood and followed a pedagogical plan that his father had developed, refined by the advice of the latter's humanist friends. Soon after his birth, Montaigne was brought to a small cottage, where he lived the first three years of life in the sole company of a peasant family, in order to, according to the elder Montaigne, "draw the boy close to the people, and to the life conditions of the people, who need our help".[16] After these first spartan years, Montaigne was brought back to the château. The objective was for Latin to become his first language.

>The intellectual education of Montaigne was assigned to a German tutor (a doctor named Horstanus, who could not speak French). His father hired only servants who could speak Latin, and they also were given strict orders always to speak to the boy in Latin. The same rule applied to his mother, father, and servants, who were obliged to use only Latin words he himself employed, and thus acquired a knowledge of the very language his tutor taught him. Montaigne's Latin education was accompanied by constant intellectual and spiritual stimulation. He was familiarized with Greek by a pedagogical method that employed games, conversation, and exercises of solitary meditation, rather than the more traditional books.
>tfw educationlet
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>>9771793
Total language immersion is still possible today OP. Go, do. And don't gimme no shit about b-but my best years are behind me. Try faggot.
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A similar thing happened to John Stuart Mill but he ended up going crazy. I guess Frenchmen are made of sterner stuff.
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>>9771824

John Stuart Mill was gifted and a genius, I wouldn't call him crazy. He was also tutored.

>>9771793

not sure what your point is OP, is it in the directed dirigisme of education or rather the exposure and openness to influence

I've lived in five countries, spoke a different language with each of my parents, had a tutor and had a school where I learned a language and nobody spoke mine at an early age then my family moved to another country and another school, then went on camps involving sports where meditation and conversation were involved, then in yurop usually a program called erasmus favours the exchange between countries where you live in the home of another student and then the student lives in yours, just saying that the environment eventually opens you to education whether its directed or not, currently living in another country.

The books and the language aren't ends in themselves, rather the culture and exposure to learning.

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Since morality was created by evolutionary pressures which promoted the furtherance of our species, isn't the is/ought problem essentially meaningless?
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>>9771772
Why are you speaking in the past tense. The benefits of moral law still apply.
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>>9771772
>Since morality was created by evolutionary pressures which promoted the furtherance of our species
ur a big guy

>>9771776
this debunks your whole post
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lmao woah spook ahahahaha

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Some one rec me some 2000's-2010's lit that isn't complete garbage pls
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>>9771753
Against The Day
1Q84
The Spirit of Terrorism And Requiem for the Twin Towers
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>>9771770
pynchon dosent count but ill check out the others
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Philip Roth

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So I read "How it is to be a bat" by Thomas Nagel but I'm not completely sold on the idea that perception is entirely subjective. Where do I go from here?
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>>9771630
Do you want your misguided beliefs to be confirmed or refuted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doYP1k6lRvU
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>>9771707
neither. what you think is cool and related to the topic. why else would I ask this on an imageboard
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>>9771723
I'd say Hegel and Merleau-Ponty.

Consider that a sense perception that matches objective truth is only available to God, and now you're in theological territory.

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I'm 53, I'm not a gamer, I'm not the right demographic for who this book is aimed at, but it's so good I don't want to finish it. I've got 62 pages left so I'm pacing myself - I urge you, if you havent read it, you should. And even better I just saw the post about Spielberg making a film!
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>>9771579
>"Willy Wonka meets The Matrix"
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I guess keeping the "faints with pleasure" would make it insultingly obvious.

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ITT: Character who are /lit/erally you
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>>9771550
Sorry about that marathon fap session

most /lit/ language? English native, nearly fluent in french (read l'etranger w/ relative ease). Think german might be the next step, but some of me wants to learn finnish for the beauty
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Lyrical Spanish is pretty damn beautiful
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>>9771657
i always thought that it was so much harsh than french, not as aesthetic when written down
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>>9771460
Lyrical french
Russian poetry

Finnish suposeldy is great too

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Assume for a moment that everything that can be written has been. This might help if you have trouble with it: http://libraryofbabel.info - Wherein, then, do we find comfort?

The lilt of our language, codified into lexicography, becomes a static monolith, a set algorithm upon which the endless brute-force permutations can be applied, rendering all into a dizzying complexity of binary data that, however long it will take, must at some future point be processed and gathered as a system of information.

Wherein do we find our comfort, scribes? For we become the willing vessels of words not our own in that case, the concept of ownership becomes altogether laughable, as we happen to be the right monkey at the right typewriter, happening upon the melancholy prince like a fucking Plinko board - that price does not seem right, my friend.

But there it is: a mathematical certainty given the open parameters of infinity and the present understanding that all empirical data can be quantified to some degree and captured within a system of information coding - have you heard that they just stored the Muybridge horse clips into DNA? Yuppers. We can literally store information like a hard-drive. Of course, we can't retrieve it through the same means, but still...

So tell me: where is it you seek the strength to keep going, or is it the stolid faith of one who knows that even the suspension of disbelief that self-slaughter will yield any better results than drudging onward and inevitably toward an uncertain future is yet still faith?

Share your thoughts. Spill a vein.
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each medium has limits to what it can express

words can sometimes express things images/sounds/etc cannot and vice versa
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stop larping you faggot. the library of babel example proves nothing. humans have had the written word for only a few thousand years, and we've seen and discovered beautiful new things in that time, the likes of which the cavemen never could've even imagined. and much has been lost as well.

and even if you were to insist on being a dull perennialist, it's still the case that each age needs its own version of the same old monomyths, the same things under the sun refactored and recreated so they fit us juuuust right. but that's not even true. There is nothing in the olden days like Kafka, nothing before Shakespeare like Shakespeare, etc...

Now put the thesaurus down and stop typing like a fucking redditor. You cunts force a voice so hard that you make me break my own just so I still sound like something.. fucking neil gayman YA shits... fuk u

And another thing:

Just cause infinite combos makes infinite things doesn't really mean that writing doesn't exist or it isn't important. You will never find what you're looking for in that flood of information. I don't even know why the fuck it would be important, fuck.

Even if we assume that whatever talent we have is wholly attributable to fortune, luck, providence, whatever, that doesn't invalidate anything. We can still rejoice in some unearned grace.
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>>9771510
Moreover, there's an intangible quality to things born of suffering and heart that I think wouldn't disappear, even if it could. For example, say a crafstman makes a table by himself. And then one randomly falls out of the sky by pure quantum coincidence. There is more to the table than the vulgar stuff that it's good for. What if it was made by your father? What if someone you loved once sat on it? What if people had handed that table down for generations? Literature is much more than the pure information bytes transmitted from age to age, it is a web of moods and feelings that grow out of and cluster around them, among a billion other things. If you try to cut it out of life, it dies.

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