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You are.

Joyce stories end in epiphanies. That's the point. There's something at the end of each that ties off the story in a way that, simply put, makes you feel something. I also find them incredibly depressing.

My personal favorite is "Clay" (aside from "The Dead," obviously). The woman is a dead soul, living a tragically pleasant and simple life...

I can't articulate my feelings about it so well, I'm not the best to tell you. But take care to notice the epiphanies...each one shows some spiritual desperation. I think it's wonderful.

I think you're definitely missing something. The endings are some of the most crucial parts, and they revolve around a literary idea that Joyce championed called the "epiphany" which has by now entered the colloquial englishspeak. Or maybe it's just not for you, you don't HAVE to like everything, or all the classics you know.

"A Painful Case" resonated with me.

"The Dead" was also interesting.

I am not sure if there is some method to properly analyzing or even reading the text on a superficial level,
but those two resonated with me,
either way.

It's for a course I took, help me :(

>>6326016

meh, not really. there are a lot of texts that are mean to be accompanied-readers which may help, but I just used Dermot Moran's 'Phenomenology' and had read Husserl's Ideas and Cartesian Meditations

Cartesian meditations by Husserl

>>6345318
Don't talk to girls just to talk to girls

post the original comic

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>>6345342
this is literature

as long as you are reading a historian and not, say, for example, Trotskiy, Kaganovich or Anna Larina you will be fine.

Khrushchev released his memoirs as well. Another thing you shouldn't read.

>>6331515
because historians are always objective.

>>6333745
You have four hours.

Is it possible to have knowledge of the abstract reality of meaning?

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>Reality
Something people like to talk about in the abstract
>Abstract
Something people like to say when they talk about reality, especially when comparing their versions to your own.
>Meaning
an act of pure creation
>Knowledge
remembering the definitions of the above 3

>Did you know past and future don't really exist?
Obviously

Yes, I did, at least I know Christian doctrine maintains this (I'm personally an eternalist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternalism_%28philosophy_of_time%29).Which is why I think it would be impossible for God to know the future, since that would be knowing what isn't, which is impossible. He could know all possible futures, he could know possibilities, but to know the future concretely doesn't make sense. I think that's actually more consistent with the Christian notion of free will.

>>6333617
>Did you know past and future don't really exist?
What about like the birth of jesus and stuff?

>>6327054
I have yet to find a single book that is 10/10. Why don't you start us off OP?

a confederacy of dunces

>>6327058
Cause I can.

>dat paranoia

>>6320647
>Post-Modernism and irrational Critical Theory arguments are infecting every one of the social sciences
No they're not

>>>/sci/

Looks gay. What's so good about it.

Too long
Too angsty

>dear diary, today I told /lit/ my feelings

Maybe he lied.

>>6320710
Does Jesus have daddy issues?

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because fuck the police

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUGMM1OrX-Q

>>6316414
>Manifisto

>>6316414
>Why does Marx assume the Proletariat can run anything by themselves?

Because they can

>Assuming they do kill all the bourgeoisie, won't they have simply replaced them as a new leisure class?

And?

>Does he seriously think they'll just keep happily working at their factories and producing goods for nobody now that they own the means of production?

People still work at Cooperatives in manufacturing and such now so yes, also most Marxists believe that Socialism will change the economic system so that we don't really need most labour and most will be replaced as fast as possible by machinery where now you still need a wage class for the system to work. Under Socialism there would be no problem abolishing 90% of labour

>The only reason those factories existed in the first place is because the bourgeoisie told them to build them

And the reason they will exist under Socialism is to provide people with a decent standard of life. Socialism is a pro-technology movement.

>Resources are either going to go to waste, or will be distributed to a portion of the population which does not work.

Why? and what's the problem there? It's important to note that Marxism hopes to build a far less materialist culture, since Capitalism is predicated on a culture of extreme consumption. Most people would still do some work under Marxism, but it is hoped that working hours on shit like maintenance and such are cut vastly cut down while people have free time to do work on things they actually want to do.

>>6316414
>Reading the Manifisto now, I have a few questions.

Yeah you fucked up.

You should have done Theses on Feuerbach, Critique of the Gotha Programme, Socialism: Utopian and Scientific first.

>Why does Marx assume the Proletariat can run anything by themselves?

Because he paid attention to French workers collectives in the 1820s in his reading, and knew immediately of the capacity of peasants to run their own Mir via readings from Russian society.

>Assuming they do kill all the bourgeoisie, won't they have simply replaced them as a new leisure class?

You do realise we don't need to "kill" them.

Here's a question: as the proletariat attains the power to repress or transform all previous classes (not just the bourgeoisie), why are they going to stop engaging in their economic relationship? How does the class that feeds all, clothes all, houses all and services all suddenly going to become a leisure class? The proletariat is far less differentiated than other classes—the chance of significant internal divisions amongst a revolutionary proletariat are lessened for this reason. Look at how "inexpensive" the Soviet ruling class were forced to be by the Soviet working class; or how "inexpensive" labour fakirs are compared to the bourgeoisie.

>Does he seriously think they'll just keep happily working at their factories and producing goods for nobody now that they own the means of production?

The Marx of Manifesto believes this in part, but also believes that the means of production themselves will be transformed. Later Marx starts to approach the idea that the abolition of value itself is important and that work itself will be abolished as such, requiring a deeper faster transformation of what it is to do things in large groups to get shit done—like changing the factories to be places of freedom instead of slavery.

>The only reason those factories existed in the first place is because the bourgeoisie told them to build them.

I like the way you impute material change to the mere command, not the enacting. Have you ever "thought" a shit into being?

>Factories and farms produce surplus, surplus leads to exploitation.

This is why you should have started as above, then moved onto Wages Price and Profit and Contribution to a Critique. The proletariat, unlike all previous classes, has a purely negative relationship to ownership—there is no property form in which the proletariat experiences surplus, we simply want to get rid of it.

Leisure and pleasure are indistinguishable when you control your own exertion in collectivity.

You're doing the lord's work

> to a bunch of uninterested college freshmen, to whom the words "Joyce and Beckett" sound like a brand of clothing.
you could open with that. "Joyce and Beckett - that probably sounds like a brand of clothing to you, blah blah"

anyways, good luck trooper

`dont put on an irish accent unless you are actually irish for fucks sake

you want these kids to remember you as the boring guy or the guy who put on a jamaican accent when reading out Joyce for no reason?

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where my egoist bros @?

>>6293477
what's up dude

>>6293477
i'm chilling out in miami on google street view down by the florida atlantic university stadium now haven't seen many girls yet about to head down to the beach and get some rays B-)

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